Wondersz | Musician & NFT Artist

WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.160 --> 00:00:06.679 What's going on. What's happening in this is johnny emotions. Welcome back to 2 00:00:06.960 --> 00:00:12.029 live from EMO Dojo. Today I've got a really cool guest. This is 3 00:00:12.070 --> 00:00:17.550 a multimedia artist named wonders, with a Z at the end. I found 4 00:00:17.550 --> 00:00:21.390 him on twitter. He's an nft artist who I got to talk and to 5 00:00:21.940 --> 00:00:26.420 and it turned out he's also a musician. So we go through the whole 6 00:00:26.699 --> 00:00:31.699 range of how we got started music and NFT's and the ups and downs of 7 00:00:31.780 --> 00:00:37.369 his life, which platforms he's using, how he spreads out his new releases 8 00:00:37.450 --> 00:00:40.170 and things like that. It's going to be really cool. I think you'll 9 00:00:40.210 --> 00:00:45.130 enjoy. The music that we're listening to now is in fact wonders. The 10 00:00:45.210 --> 00:00:51.000 song her available on Soundcloud, so let's listen to it for a second and 11 00:00:51.119 --> 00:01:11.790 would get right into it. Here's wonders live from Emo Doj. How do 12 00:01:11.829 --> 00:01:15.590 I put it like? I'm so thankful and I feel so blessed because, 13 00:01:15.709 --> 00:01:19.420 like, my art is actually like selling now, you know, like I'm 14 00:01:19.420 --> 00:01:23.739 actually making you know, I made the most money I've ever made in my 15 00:01:23.819 --> 00:01:26.060 entire life with art just in these past few months. It isn't that awesome? 16 00:01:26.099 --> 00:01:30.939 Yeah, yeah, it's like it's insane, honestly, and then just 17 00:01:32.019 --> 00:01:34.209 being like Oh shit, like how do I how do I recogne with this 18 00:01:34.489 --> 00:01:38.409 now, like now that I'm actually like know that I'm gonna I'm going to 19 00:01:38.530 --> 00:01:44.090 do this and keep making art, and you know right. And Lots of 20 00:01:44.170 --> 00:01:47.760 decisions to make too, because, like, a lot of people jump right 21 00:01:47.840 --> 00:01:51.480 off the bridge and like I'm an artist, quit my job later, and 22 00:01:51.879 --> 00:01:53.760 everyone wants to do that. But like, how realistic does it be? 23 00:01:53.840 --> 00:02:00.079 In like all the latest memes today after the crypto crash and everyone's like back 24 00:02:00.159 --> 00:02:04.989 to McDonald's, and some people are responding seriously like fuck no, I'm never 25 00:02:05.069 --> 00:02:07.510 going to McDonald's. Up, this is my life, you know, art 26 00:02:07.549 --> 00:02:12.550 or death, and I appreciate all those conversations, but yeah, it's just 27 00:02:12.870 --> 00:02:15.389 I think it's fucking fun, it's entertaining because, I mean, back to 28 00:02:15.430 --> 00:02:17.539 the point is, artists, we generally have never made much money with art. 29 00:02:17.620 --> 00:02:22.099 So if we can make a little bit with relatively less effort, we 30 00:02:22.180 --> 00:02:25.020 don't have to put flyers out on doors or car windshields about the local art 31 00:02:25.099 --> 00:02:28.979 show, we don't have to stand there for four hours at the local art 32 00:02:29.060 --> 00:02:32.129 show with people looking at you derisively, you know, and it means it's 33 00:02:32.169 --> 00:02:35.689 like now it's like I just put it all up on Instagram, I mean 34 00:02:35.849 --> 00:02:38.930 not instagram, but twitter, and make sure I meant those bad boys, 35 00:02:38.009 --> 00:02:43.370 and wow, money, what's selling, because you have some killer art. 36 00:02:43.370 --> 00:02:46.360 Will Get to your new project. I see spirits in just a moment. 37 00:02:46.479 --> 00:02:49.719 I guess I like get in into my background or whatever a bit I might 38 00:02:49.840 --> 00:02:53.080 be. I actually like started as an artist. You know, was kind 39 00:02:53.080 --> 00:02:58.439 of through that because, like I would, I've always been creative. I've 40 00:02:58.479 --> 00:03:01.550 always been a huge music lover and actually, most of my life, and 41 00:03:01.669 --> 00:03:07.870 honestly, like I've always been a very visual person, like I've always loved 42 00:03:07.909 --> 00:03:10.550 visual art. It's always what spoke to me, right, but most of 43 00:03:10.629 --> 00:03:15.819 my life I was actually making music, making like electronic music. That's kind 44 00:03:15.819 --> 00:03:20.460 of how I got started in art. That's great and yeah, and I 45 00:03:20.580 --> 00:03:24.460 got started, honestly, at like a young age to the point where it's 46 00:03:24.699 --> 00:03:30.289 that's like all I can remember is just like, you know, making electronic 47 00:03:30.370 --> 00:03:34.449 music and all this, like I've been making it for around ten years now. 48 00:03:34.889 --> 00:03:37.610 No, wait, you got like a soundcloud and all that stuff. 49 00:03:37.610 --> 00:03:42.319 Yeah, yeah, soundcloud by the same name, by wonders. Dude, 50 00:03:42.439 --> 00:03:45.360 this is amazing. See, we learned something new every day. Like people 51 00:03:45.479 --> 00:03:49.879 on twitter don't know you have a whole music that goes theoretically with your visuals. 52 00:03:49.919 --> 00:03:54.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's kind of it's cool too because, 53 00:03:54.000 --> 00:03:59.069 you know, now I'm like because I really feel like visual art is my 54 00:03:59.150 --> 00:04:02.509 passion and you know, music is my passion too, but I don't know, 55 00:04:02.509 --> 00:04:05.150 I just feel that calling to visual art. So it's just like kind 56 00:04:05.150 --> 00:04:10.300 of funny because I'll still and you know, I especially music. It helps 57 00:04:10.340 --> 00:04:14.300 me cope with things so much, so I'll still make music quite often. 58 00:04:14.340 --> 00:04:17.100 And then I'm just like wow, you know, not, not many people 59 00:04:17.139 --> 00:04:19.579 know that I'm, you know, out here making all these beats that I 60 00:04:19.660 --> 00:04:25.129 got like a catalog of like five hundred two, probably like, you know, 61 00:04:25.209 --> 00:04:28.649 five hundred Tozero different beats I've made in my life. Oh Dude. 62 00:04:28.689 --> 00:04:30.610 Yeah, so you are a musician, so you don't like you're not compelled 63 00:04:30.689 --> 00:04:32.970 to make it. You just you have to. It's kind of like breathing 64 00:04:33.009 --> 00:04:38.449 or your heart beating. That's just you. Absolutely so what you choose to 65 00:04:38.490 --> 00:04:42.839 do. You're actually you're kind of drawn to art. Obviously you never going 66 00:04:42.879 --> 00:04:45.160 to leave music. It sounds like it just part of you. So, 67 00:04:45.399 --> 00:04:48.519 yeah, that's really neat and man that. So are you going to experiment 68 00:04:48.600 --> 00:04:55.230 with putting your music to any of these art files? I definitely. I'm 69 00:04:55.269 --> 00:04:57.790 still kind of like trying to figure that out, like I've had like a 70 00:04:57.870 --> 00:05:02.910 bunch of ideas of how I want to do that, but I'm also kind 71 00:05:02.910 --> 00:05:13.060 of just thinking like fuck it. I'm like I'm looking at the Consugi gift 72 00:05:13.100 --> 00:05:17.300 you got here with. Yeah, with your I see spirits kind of exploding 73 00:05:17.339 --> 00:05:21.769 and then coming back together with the gold lines ceiling it shut. Even if 74 00:05:21.769 --> 00:05:27.610 you just faded up a beat for, you know, five seconds and faded 75 00:05:27.649 --> 00:05:31.930 away, because basically just giving a simple, quick voice to the visual. 76 00:05:32.850 --> 00:05:36.720 But that's tricky though, do because then you've committed like Oh, nobody else 77 00:05:36.759 --> 00:05:42.319 will ever hear a different sound related to that image ever again. Yeah, 78 00:05:42.600 --> 00:05:46.240 true, I like kind of do that because every week I'll kind of post 79 00:05:46.319 --> 00:05:49.910 like a preview of the new spirits for this week. Yeah, and it's 80 00:05:49.910 --> 00:05:53.589 just like a you know, eight second video, just like really quick. 81 00:05:53.629 --> 00:05:56.430 It just shows off all the new spirits and what day I'm going to release 82 00:05:56.470 --> 00:06:00.470 them. But I always make it's kind of funny because it's just like I'm 83 00:06:00.509 --> 00:06:03.579 sure, no, in fact, most people are probably listening with like the 84 00:06:03.660 --> 00:06:08.579 sound off, but I just love it, like making a new beat for 85 00:06:08.899 --> 00:06:11.699 each like little video just to kind of like give it it's on like a 86 00:06:11.740 --> 00:06:15.899 little personality. Yeah, or the week, you know, Dude, seriously. 87 00:06:15.060 --> 00:06:18.970 and audio is such an overlooked aspect of well, for lack of better 88 00:06:19.009 --> 00:06:23.689 word, promotion or marketing. Like the hugest companies that spend tons of money 89 00:06:23.730 --> 00:06:27.569 with scientist on research to market have tones, you know, they have sound 90 00:06:27.850 --> 00:06:30.850 imbedded in their logos and things like that. So, yeah, I think 91 00:06:30.889 --> 00:06:33.480 a lot of people, especially musicians, kind of miss the mark. You're 92 00:06:33.519 --> 00:06:36.240 not missing the mark, clearly, but some of them miss it because they 93 00:06:36.279 --> 00:06:42.959 just forget that. and FT isn't just a JPEG. Yeah, yeah, 94 00:06:43.160 --> 00:06:46.120 true, I mean it's a it's a piece of art, right, and 95 00:06:46.199 --> 00:06:50.149 like you can do anything you want with it. So totally. In fact, 96 00:06:50.310 --> 00:06:55.750 I've seen some people just do poetry, just type out poetry and like 97 00:06:55.910 --> 00:07:00.350 Curryer, type font on a digital file and upload the picture of their poetry 98 00:07:00.430 --> 00:07:04.860 and three hundred bucks. Three hundred bucks. Yeah, yeah, it's so 99 00:07:05.060 --> 00:07:09.420 cool and I think that's like what's so beautiful about it is it's not just 100 00:07:09.620 --> 00:07:15.930 like these communities of I don't know, kind of artists with like their own 101 00:07:15.329 --> 00:07:18.410 group, you know, like I don't know, like I used to kind 102 00:07:18.410 --> 00:07:20.730 of see it where was like, you know, you mainly have like the 103 00:07:21.009 --> 00:07:25.009 you have like the musicians over here, you have like the visual artists over 104 00:07:25.129 --> 00:07:29.970 here, you have the fucking abstract artist over here, you have I don't 105 00:07:30.000 --> 00:07:31.959 know, yeah, for sure, you know, and if he's it's like 106 00:07:32.120 --> 00:07:36.399 really like a melting pot of all really is artist. Yeah, and collapsing 107 00:07:36.519 --> 00:07:40.480 on itself. All the walls are collapsing. I love it. Yeah, 108 00:07:40.519 --> 00:07:43.839 and even business people. That's like kind of like the funniest thing to me 109 00:07:43.959 --> 00:07:47.470 about it. It is like seeing all these investing people being like Oh shit, 110 00:07:47.589 --> 00:07:50.870 like art is what's up now, you know, like yeah, and 111 00:07:51.430 --> 00:07:57.389 using their own you know, talent and business and investing or just like whatever 112 00:07:57.990 --> 00:08:00.980 to kind of integrate that into the art. You know. Oh yeah, 113 00:08:01.060 --> 00:08:03.459 they're like, Oh, I know a guy who's an artist and I know 114 00:08:03.540 --> 00:08:07.019 a couple developers and let's make a team, let's make a Dow, let's 115 00:08:07.100 --> 00:08:11.379 let's going and like this, take it easy, take it easy. That's 116 00:08:11.379 --> 00:08:13.569 a different mindset, but it's still neat, like if you had that kind 117 00:08:13.569 --> 00:08:18.250 of those kind of resources, and it's effectively the same as putting a band 118 00:08:18.410 --> 00:08:22.170 together, right. That's how I yeah, yeah, that's funny. Actually 119 00:08:22.250 --> 00:08:26.610 never made that connection, but you're so right, like these are like the 120 00:08:26.889 --> 00:08:31.440 the new like rock stars, basically. Very much. That's great. I'M 121 00:08:31.440 --> 00:08:33.679 gonna have to use that, dude. I see. So I was in 122 00:08:33.679 --> 00:08:37.200 the music business for a long time, so I see so many metaphors. 123 00:08:37.240 --> 00:08:41.389 I work in cannabis now, in Oklahoma of all places. Oh yeah, 124 00:08:41.470 --> 00:08:46.549 it's really weird, man, because I'm a California and a very progressive liberal, 125 00:08:46.269 --> 00:08:48.509 you know what, ever, and I feel like I moved back to 126 00:08:48.590 --> 00:08:54.549 them s here in Oklahoma. It's really wild. It's like California in the 127 00:08:54.149 --> 00:08:58.659 S. Yeah, I've actually never been to Oklahoma, but I'm from I'm 128 00:08:58.700 --> 00:09:03.620 from Arizona. Oh Yeah, so I've been to California like so many times 129 00:09:05.379 --> 00:09:11.009 for she's actually been kind of cool seeing Arizona become, I mean it's basically 130 00:09:11.129 --> 00:09:13.889 like a Diet California. Oh yeah, definitely. Have Been Three Arizona several 131 00:09:13.929 --> 00:09:16.649 times. One of my sons went to school and Flagstaff for a bit. 132 00:09:18.649 --> 00:09:20.529 Oh cool. Yeah, flight stuff is a cool area. Yeah, so 133 00:09:20.649 --> 00:09:24.320 beautiful up there. That's great place to live, really inspiring. Yeah, 134 00:09:24.600 --> 00:09:28.120 that I don't know. Arizona gets like a lot of Shit, especially from 135 00:09:28.120 --> 00:09:33.080 the people who who live here, but I really feel like there's like a 136 00:09:33.120 --> 00:09:37.759 special beauty to the state, like Oh, yeah, I know, I 137 00:09:37.279 --> 00:09:41.909 magically love it honestly. Now it has some magical kind of beauty. Yeah, 138 00:09:43.509 --> 00:09:48.590 it's like I feel like I see, I see the potential here because, 139 00:09:48.669 --> 00:09:52.899 like I've met so many cool artists and like I know that there's artists 140 00:09:52.940 --> 00:09:58.059 in Arizona. You know, I've even seen some like crazy amazing and of 141 00:09:58.139 --> 00:10:03.259 t artist that are like selling for a lot of money like in Arizona. 142 00:10:03.500 --> 00:10:05.980 was like, Holy Shit, like I even know you were here, you 143 00:10:05.059 --> 00:10:07.289 know, Oh wow. So it's like I know that there's like an art 144 00:10:07.370 --> 00:10:11.850 community here, but it's just like feels like the state hasn't like fully caught 145 00:10:11.889 --> 00:10:15.610 up. It's me. That's what's that's what it's like cool about. It 146 00:10:15.970 --> 00:10:20.210 is like actually seeing that potential start to, you know, come out, 147 00:10:20.330 --> 00:10:24.840 like actually kind of start to see a whole city really form its artistic movement. 148 00:10:26.039 --> 00:10:28.519 Yeah, I feel the same way I've only been to Oklahoma for a 149 00:10:28.519 --> 00:10:31.159 little bit. I had no connection to it beforehand except, well, my 150 00:10:31.320 --> 00:10:35.350 grandma was an Indian here, but whatever. You know. I mean when 151 00:10:35.389 --> 00:10:41.070 you're in California you just think I'm just going to be here forever and no, 152 00:10:41.269 --> 00:10:43.309 and I got over here in this place is wild too, and I 153 00:10:43.470 --> 00:10:46.950 did. I did find the art scene. There's a vibrant art scene. 154 00:10:46.950 --> 00:10:48.909 And then I started to think a bit. There's just a vibrant art scene 155 00:10:48.909 --> 00:10:52.620 in every semi big city. So I think that's it, man, just 156 00:10:52.700 --> 00:10:56.980 got to start looking for it. Huh. Yeah, I really feel like 157 00:10:56.059 --> 00:11:01.059 that's it, like there's, you know, people. Wherever there's people, 158 00:11:01.379 --> 00:11:05.450 you know there's going to be some cool shit, some yet crazy shit going 159 00:11:05.450 --> 00:11:09.409 on. Somebody wants to express themselves. Yeah, yeah, it's just like, 160 00:11:09.049 --> 00:11:11.929 I don't know, you know, being willing to look for it, 161 00:11:13.090 --> 00:11:16.129 and I don't know all of that. Yeah, how about the music scene? 162 00:11:16.169 --> 00:11:18.919 You got a music scene where you live? I mean I yeah, 163 00:11:20.000 --> 00:11:22.559 yeah, Little Day actually right. Covid probably killed it for a little bit, 164 00:11:22.639 --> 00:11:26.919 but I mean generally speaking, it sounds like you have one. Yeah, 165 00:11:26.000 --> 00:11:31.039 yeah, there's actually like a big rave scene, like EDM scene in 166 00:11:31.240 --> 00:11:37.750 Arizona and then also a big punk scene, which I always kind of like 167 00:11:37.870 --> 00:11:41.629 find like really funny. It's like punk never died and it's just been quietly 168 00:11:41.710 --> 00:11:46.950 living in Arizona. Fuck, yeah, that was my shit grown up to 169 00:11:46.070 --> 00:11:50.179 the I love punk rock. Yeah, yeah, it's so. It's that 170 00:11:50.340 --> 00:11:54.259 underclass, Dude. Is The underclass that's angry, like yeah, yeah, 171 00:11:54.460 --> 00:11:58.100 like I gotta get it all out. Yeah, that's great. I mean 172 00:11:58.259 --> 00:12:01.649 Edm and in some sense to it's like, Oh, yeah, it's all 173 00:12:01.690 --> 00:12:07.049 the ANA grow without the the negative emotion. There's no anger, but there's 174 00:12:07.049 --> 00:12:11.450 a lot of physical getting it out. You got effectively mosh pits over there 175 00:12:11.529 --> 00:12:16.559 without the yeah, angry people. Yeah, yeah, there's definitely that. 176 00:12:16.639 --> 00:12:22.919 That's a black yeah, I've I've actually found quite a cool like music community 177 00:12:22.960 --> 00:12:28.519 out here, and I was honestly lucky because I have a good friend that 178 00:12:28.559 --> 00:12:35.149 I've known my entire life, like literally grew up with named his artist name 179 00:12:35.190 --> 00:12:37.350 is like Sam went running. Cool. I love how if you see me, 180 00:12:37.629 --> 00:12:41.669 yeah, retweet all of this shit, but it's kind of cool, 181 00:12:41.789 --> 00:12:46.259 like we because I'm just known in my entire life and I don't even really 182 00:12:46.299 --> 00:12:50.340 remember how it came about, but as remember, like when we were young, 183 00:12:50.460 --> 00:12:52.620 we were like Hey, I just downloaded this like program to make music. 184 00:12:54.259 --> 00:12:58.340 Started showing each other our beats, started getting competitive with each other. 185 00:12:58.379 --> 00:13:01.049 Oh Nice, and then through that, you know, we just kind of 186 00:13:01.090 --> 00:13:05.850 like went for it and became artists. Nice. Just been kind of each 187 00:13:05.850 --> 00:13:09.970 other's views throughout the system. Yeah, I love that, Dude. That's 188 00:13:09.009 --> 00:13:13.759 great. Yeah, so it's a lass her. Let's talk about how you 189 00:13:13.879 --> 00:13:18.799 got into nft specific art and then we'll get let's talk about I see spirits. 190 00:13:20.080 --> 00:13:24.720 Yeah, so it's actually it's actually kind of like a personal it honestly 191 00:13:24.840 --> 00:13:33.789 was very personal, like getting into nft's because I had heard about him for 192 00:13:33.230 --> 00:13:37.830 quite a bit, like probably year and a half ago, because I remember 193 00:13:37.830 --> 00:13:41.860 I bought doagcoin. I saw it on like tick tock or something and I, 194 00:13:43.379 --> 00:13:46.259 you know, I'd heard about crypto. Oh shure. Yeah, so 195 00:13:46.580 --> 00:13:48.379 it does. What was huge? That was back like the game stop thing, 196 00:13:48.659 --> 00:13:52.259 like all that was happening. Yeah, Yep, yeah, yeah, 197 00:13:52.299 --> 00:13:56.289 that was huge and I actually got into doagcoin like pretty early, like I 198 00:13:56.330 --> 00:14:01.330 made a decent, really decent return off that. Okay, Brad's good for 199 00:14:01.409 --> 00:14:03.970 you. Yeah, yeah, it was really cool. So it was like 200 00:14:05.090 --> 00:14:07.250 I saw that happen. I was like, Oh, this crypto shits real, 201 00:14:07.450 --> 00:14:11.519 like well, yeah, so, and then I just remember seeing, 202 00:14:13.200 --> 00:14:16.320 like it just came up on Tick Tock. I think someone was talking about 203 00:14:16.399 --> 00:14:20.639 crypto art and I was like Whoa, like I know about Crypto and I 204 00:14:22.080 --> 00:14:24.230 sure as fuck like art right. So, like I want to hear more 205 00:14:24.269 --> 00:14:28.230 about this. So I just like started doing some basic researching, just like 206 00:14:28.309 --> 00:14:31.870 trying to figure out what was going on, and, you know, I 207 00:14:31.990 --> 00:14:37.309 just started kind of like learning more and more. But it really wasn't. 208 00:14:37.740 --> 00:14:48.820 I basically I went through like a pretty major like health crisis where, I 209 00:14:48.899 --> 00:14:52.379 don't know, one day, I know actually, funny thing. It was 210 00:14:52.539 --> 00:14:56.009 on my twenty two birthday. Oh No, I just woke up the day 211 00:14:56.009 --> 00:14:58.889 before I was feeling fine, like I was pretty stressed just from like a 212 00:15:00.009 --> 00:15:03.649 bunch of I don't know, I fine, financial issues and all like that. 213 00:15:03.929 --> 00:15:07.120 It yeah, yeah, Life Shit. Then I just wait, I 214 00:15:07.200 --> 00:15:11.080 woke up the next day on my birthday, and just had no ability to 215 00:15:11.159 --> 00:15:16.120 walk. Like Dude, I could not stand up on my my right leg. 216 00:15:16.600 --> 00:15:20.429 It was just incredibly swollen, like happened overnight. Just got incredibly swollen 217 00:15:22.070 --> 00:15:26.750 and for the next like month and a half to two months. It was 218 00:15:26.870 --> 00:15:35.070 just I could not walk. I was just like limping everywhere and extreme pain. 219 00:15:35.470 --> 00:15:39.500 Just do sleeping as much as I can. And what happened? Man? 220 00:15:41.179 --> 00:15:43.419 That's I mean that the craziest thing is, like I still don't know. 221 00:15:43.700 --> 00:15:48.779 It's seemingly just happened random like I found out that I had I thought 222 00:15:48.820 --> 00:15:52.409 out that I was an emic and had a baker syst. Okay, yeah, 223 00:15:52.649 --> 00:15:56.929 that'll do it, because it could get near your nerve. Yeah, 224 00:15:56.090 --> 00:16:00.850 yeah, basically that's I'm pretty sure that's what's happening. I mean even even 225 00:16:00.889 --> 00:16:04.919 to this day I'm like still not entirely sure, but yeah, I mean, 226 00:16:06.879 --> 00:16:11.879 and that moment like is Shitty as it was because, I mean, 227 00:16:11.919 --> 00:16:15.519 that moment truly felt like a rock bottom moment, you know, especially in 228 00:16:15.240 --> 00:16:19.429 the craziest thing to was like pretty much the week I recovered, like it 229 00:16:19.470 --> 00:16:22.750 wasn't even fully recovered. I was still limping around everywhere. Right, I 230 00:16:22.870 --> 00:16:29.029 went back to work and then that same week I got covid and I was 231 00:16:29.110 --> 00:16:32.070 out for like another another two weeks. I was out for I was out 232 00:16:32.070 --> 00:16:34.779 of work for like two months and then also, on top of that, 233 00:16:36.539 --> 00:16:42.379 my least ran out out of my apartment and we were moving to so I 234 00:16:42.460 --> 00:16:45.179 don't know, it was just like a course, of course that was the 235 00:16:45.220 --> 00:16:48.570 day you're going to have moved. To write. All that stuff right, 236 00:16:48.730 --> 00:16:52.730 piles on the same. It just general time. That's yeah. So, 237 00:16:52.850 --> 00:16:56.090 yeah, I mean that. That just felt like it was just such a 238 00:16:56.210 --> 00:17:02.399 hard a hard time. But it's strange because I look back on it and 239 00:17:02.559 --> 00:17:06.599 I really see that that was like the moment where I was like okay, 240 00:17:06.799 --> 00:17:11.400 like, you know, I don't want to like exaggerated and saying like I 241 00:17:11.559 --> 00:17:14.920 almost died, but like I felt like I got a glimpse of like Oh, 242 00:17:15.200 --> 00:17:18.029 sure, this is what it yeah, I could die. I could. 243 00:17:18.190 --> 00:17:19.910 That's close enough to death, right. Who knows how close any of 244 00:17:19.950 --> 00:17:23.150 US ever come to die, but if you feel like that's that's, I 245 00:17:23.230 --> 00:17:26.069 think, what our whole human experience is. Whatever you feel like, that 246 00:17:26.269 --> 00:17:29.509 is what is real. If you felt like you were close to death, 247 00:17:30.259 --> 00:17:33.460 that's what it is. Right. And Yeah, wakes you the fuck up, 248 00:17:33.539 --> 00:17:37.660 doesn't it? Like really resets priority. He's yeah, yeah, and 249 00:17:37.819 --> 00:17:41.700 so like it's weird because now I'm actually like Rouch, you know, strangely, 250 00:17:41.819 --> 00:17:45.809 like thankful for that experience because I don't know, you know, before 251 00:17:45.809 --> 00:17:48.809 that it's like I've always known I was a creative. I've always known I 252 00:17:48.970 --> 00:17:52.849 was meant to be making art. Right. Yeah, for so long it 253 00:17:52.970 --> 00:17:56.809 was just like man, it takes so much energy to like be able to 254 00:17:56.529 --> 00:18:00.759 just live right and like pay my bills and, yeah, to do both. 255 00:18:00.000 --> 00:18:03.000 It's such a grind because you have to live two lives. You have 256 00:18:03.079 --> 00:18:06.240 to live the Daytoday, fucking live in a corporate world kind of thing, 257 00:18:06.400 --> 00:18:08.720 just to pay rant on a shitty apartment. We don't like that. The 258 00:18:08.759 --> 00:18:12.190 whole fucking life like that. And then, on top of that, now 259 00:18:12.309 --> 00:18:17.349 go be your best creative self and start a new life in your spare time. 260 00:18:18.150 --> 00:18:21.430 Yeah, it's so unrealistic, man, but and ift's really can help. 261 00:18:22.109 --> 00:18:26.109 Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So. Yeah, I mean after that, 262 00:18:26.390 --> 00:18:29.460 like I remember like when I recovered, like I was like okay, 263 00:18:29.700 --> 00:18:33.980 like I am actually going to like do this shit because, like I've always 264 00:18:33.019 --> 00:18:37.220 said, like I'm meant to be this artist, I'm meant to be this 265 00:18:37.339 --> 00:18:41.609 creator, but like I actually want to give myself like the shot. You 266 00:18:41.690 --> 00:18:44.809 know, even if I like go for it and I don't make it, 267 00:18:45.210 --> 00:18:47.849 I want to at least be able to stay like I went for it and 268 00:18:47.890 --> 00:18:51.410 I went for it with all my mind, you know. Yeah, exactly, 269 00:18:51.569 --> 00:18:55.839 with the best intention, like a pure intention, and gave a true 270 00:18:55.880 --> 00:18:57.720 effort, because that and a lot of times I'll do that now. So 271 00:18:57.720 --> 00:19:02.319 I have to add in persist because sometimes I'm like, yeah, didn't come 272 00:19:02.359 --> 00:19:04.680 quick enough, because I have that like I like new stuff, and sometimes 273 00:19:04.720 --> 00:19:07.640 I look back I'm like, oh, that didn't work because I only gave 274 00:19:07.680 --> 00:19:11.829 it three months, or that didn't work because I only gave it a year, 275 00:19:11.869 --> 00:19:15.029 because, I mean sometimes whatever the estimate you think in your mind it 276 00:19:15.109 --> 00:19:18.589 should take to become successful at a thing, it's just usually wrong. So, 277 00:19:19.150 --> 00:19:22.750 yeah, I always have to add in the persistence, bitch. Just 278 00:19:22.789 --> 00:19:25.380 keep going, just keep trying, like, especially if you've built it into 279 00:19:25.380 --> 00:19:29.859 your tier life, into your workflow, that okay, every Thursday and Saturday 280 00:19:29.859 --> 00:19:33.180 I get to paint or whatever it turns out to be. Just keep trying 281 00:19:33.220 --> 00:19:36.019 that. Keep doing that, you get better. People eventually notice you. 282 00:19:36.180 --> 00:19:37.849 You know, you get a couple new followers on twitter each week, even 283 00:19:37.890 --> 00:19:41.329 if it's only one or two, I mean whatever. After a few years 284 00:19:41.609 --> 00:19:48.130 there it is. Yeah, yeah, I like absolutely, it's it's what 285 00:19:48.210 --> 00:19:52.690 kind of like haunts me about when I made a music as like a kid. 286 00:19:52.920 --> 00:19:56.160 Yeah, because like I was actually like starting to like gain like a 287 00:19:56.319 --> 00:20:02.440 following and everything, like, Oh God, I don't know if I want 288 00:20:02.480 --> 00:20:07.589 to out myself on the show. But so there is a there is like 289 00:20:07.710 --> 00:20:12.589 this this album back in the day that was big and, believe it or 290 00:20:12.630 --> 00:20:18.549 not, there was like a very there is a Christian electronic music like community, 291 00:20:18.710 --> 00:20:22.940 like movement. No Way. I believe I used to be in a 292 00:20:22.019 --> 00:20:26.859 Christian band. I got so bored to playing biker bars and everything in my 293 00:20:26.980 --> 00:20:30.900 early S. answer to add on a craigslist for a Christian rock band. 294 00:20:30.940 --> 00:20:34.730 So I went and toured churches. So I believe it because then then we 295 00:20:34.849 --> 00:20:38.289 had gotten to the debate over Christian radio. Oh, your song doesn't say 296 00:20:38.329 --> 00:20:41.250 Jesus enough in time, you know, in the whole song. Yeah, 297 00:20:41.930 --> 00:20:45.730 then I went to Christian bookstores and record stores to some of sometimes play there, 298 00:20:47.049 --> 00:20:49.480 and you just go down down the rack there's like Christian Skate Punk, 299 00:20:49.640 --> 00:20:55.759 Christian metal, Christian Rock, Christian dance and for sure Christian EDM stuff. 300 00:20:56.480 --> 00:21:00.240 Yeah, yeah, totally, that's so, that's neat. Yeah, and 301 00:21:00.400 --> 00:21:07.150 there is there is this label called this is Christian Dubstep? No Way, 302 00:21:07.869 --> 00:21:14.069 what I know, right. But they had a they had like a yearly 303 00:21:14.509 --> 00:21:18.660 contest where you'd submit for you know, this is Christian dubstep two thousand and 304 00:21:18.660 --> 00:21:21.819 fourteen or whatever. Nic. See. Yeah, and I remember I submitted 305 00:21:21.819 --> 00:21:26.980 a song and I got on and I think that song actually has like twenty 306 00:21:26.059 --> 00:21:33.170 six thousand plays on spotify and all that. Were you performing as wonders also 307 00:21:33.250 --> 00:21:38.970 back then? Well, I'll change my my aliens, sir, to protect 308 00:21:40.009 --> 00:21:41.450 the innocent. Sure, Huh, Huh. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 309 00:21:41.450 --> 00:21:47.720 yeah, exactly, back then it was. Actually so it's funny because my 310 00:21:47.839 --> 00:21:51.279 name now wonders, you know, it's Wo and D R S Z. 311 00:21:51.799 --> 00:21:55.039 Yeah, right, actually relates back to that, because my first alias was 312 00:21:55.160 --> 00:21:57.279 Seth Beats, with the Z oh, of course. Yeah, that makes 313 00:21:57.319 --> 00:22:00.670 sense with the beats back in the day, for sure. Yeah, yeah, 314 00:22:02.910 --> 00:22:08.430 and so my my my last name is it's, which I've always thought 315 00:22:08.430 --> 00:22:11.549 it is like a really cool last name. Oh, yeah, I didn't 316 00:22:11.549 --> 00:22:12.829 know that that was your real last name. I thought that was your stage 317 00:22:12.829 --> 00:22:17.700 name. No, no, that's actually like my legit real yeah, that's 318 00:22:17.740 --> 00:22:21.539 dope, Dude. Cool. Yeah, and I believe I'm actually the only 319 00:22:21.619 --> 00:22:26.140 stuff in the entire world. That's fucking awesome. You have to please come 320 00:22:26.220 --> 00:22:30.450 on talks myself. But yeah, so, I don't know. It's like 321 00:22:30.529 --> 00:22:36.210 I got such a cool last name. So like after I stopped using stuff 322 00:22:36.210 --> 00:22:37.410 beats because I thought it was like Cringey, because that's the thing. It 323 00:22:37.490 --> 00:22:40.970 is, like I got to high school, because like I was making all 324 00:22:41.049 --> 00:22:44.319 that before I got to high school, like yeah, of course, no, 325 00:22:44.480 --> 00:22:45.759 you're allowed to change, you're allowed to evolve as an artist, for 326 00:22:45.799 --> 00:22:48.680 sure, of course. Yeah. Yeah, so I got to high school 327 00:22:48.680 --> 00:22:51.599 I was like, okay, I want to be like cool and shit. 328 00:22:51.759 --> 00:22:55.359 Yep, so I changed it. I change it to just my last name, 329 00:22:55.519 --> 00:22:57.789 to just cool. That's don't do. Yeah, plus that, you 330 00:22:57.869 --> 00:23:00.589 go through those periods of life we like really proud of your heritage and what 331 00:23:00.670 --> 00:23:04.390 I've gotten. This will never change, and that thing too. So yeah, 332 00:23:04.430 --> 00:23:07.390 yeah, and then I like, I don't know, I just got 333 00:23:07.430 --> 00:23:11.190 to a point where I was like okay, like that's still a really cool, 334 00:23:11.190 --> 00:23:14.420 you know, stage name and all that, and like, yeah, 335 00:23:14.420 --> 00:23:18.900 I love my last name, but I also like want to, you know, 336 00:23:18.099 --> 00:23:22.180 be like Hey, I'm my own person. I'm not just my family, 337 00:23:23.019 --> 00:23:26.980 and I don't know. I kind of wanted to sting distinguish myself a 338 00:23:26.019 --> 00:23:32.250 bit, I guess, because most of my family is like farmers in Nebraska. 339 00:23:32.650 --> 00:23:36.089 No Way as well. I about and yeah, yeah, they just 340 00:23:36.170 --> 00:23:38.329 like live out in the middle of nowhere. They're super cool. I love 341 00:23:38.369 --> 00:23:41.799 all of them. Yeah, yeah, the country are awesome running. Yeah, 342 00:23:42.240 --> 00:23:45.680 here and Oklahoma as well. It's really interesting. Yeah, and so 343 00:23:45.799 --> 00:23:52.480 I'm like a I'm like a first generation city boy. Godvid, he's off 344 00:23:52.519 --> 00:23:57.390 in to the NFTS and the EDMS and they everything. Yeah, gotta be 345 00:23:57.470 --> 00:24:02.829 the rebel, you know, gotta gotta follow my archetype. Yeah, that's 346 00:24:02.910 --> 00:24:07.630 fantastic, man. So then it's so sounds like and if t's gave you 347 00:24:07.710 --> 00:24:11.619 hope, like like all artists, to make some money, rights that would 348 00:24:11.660 --> 00:24:15.259 originally drew to nft proper. Like to is that we've got you to bring 349 00:24:15.339 --> 00:24:19.220 your art over and your artistic mindset. Yeah, yeah, I mean, 350 00:24:19.900 --> 00:24:23.769 you know, people were getting paid and all these artists I was seeing we're, 351 00:24:26.329 --> 00:24:27.690 you know, making like a lot of money. But I remember, 352 00:24:27.890 --> 00:24:32.890 I remember, like I got on a twitter like probably like a month or 353 00:24:32.890 --> 00:24:36.009 two before like I really died into nfts. Yeah, and it just started 354 00:24:36.049 --> 00:24:38.640 following a bunch of nat accounts and like, you know, Hashtag nft and 355 00:24:38.680 --> 00:24:42.119 all that, just to see what was going on. Yep, and I 356 00:24:42.279 --> 00:24:47.079 was like Holy Shit, like there's like a whole life, right culture here, 357 00:24:47.359 --> 00:24:51.119 like totally well doing crazy shit like building their own like little worlds and 358 00:24:51.160 --> 00:24:53.309 everything. Yep, so surprising, Huh. I was surprising how robust it 359 00:24:53.430 --> 00:24:57.029 was, because there's always like I've been on twitter offer on for years, 360 00:24:57.150 --> 00:25:00.029 you know, just for podcast or following politics or whatever, the fuck, 361 00:25:00.069 --> 00:25:04.470 you know, and but the moment you start Hashtag a nft, nft community 362 00:25:04.589 --> 00:25:08.420 or all the various crypto coins and things like that, man, it explodes. 363 00:25:08.619 --> 00:25:12.579 Is Like whoa this, it's everything here. Yeah, yeah, and 364 00:25:12.700 --> 00:25:21.140 that there's like all these communities and whatnot where people are like making making crazy 365 00:25:21.180 --> 00:25:25.170 projects. I mean that, honestly, is like what really got me was 366 00:25:25.289 --> 00:25:27.970 like not just that people were making art, like people were building whole universes 367 00:25:29.049 --> 00:25:32.009 out of right, you know. Yeah, and codis right. Like we 368 00:25:32.089 --> 00:25:34.720 were talking earlier about tribes and, you know, affiliations. They were a 369 00:25:36.000 --> 00:25:38.519 lot of them were focused on the community. Sometimes, I it feels like 370 00:25:38.640 --> 00:25:44.839 some communities are more like generating buyers for your multilevel marketing plan and you know, 371 00:25:44.880 --> 00:25:45.920 you got to keep the hype up. Come on, guys, we're 372 00:25:47.000 --> 00:25:49.549 doing it. It feels like that in some communities, but others are like 373 00:25:49.910 --> 00:25:53.549 genuine. They're in there for the artists or whatever their state of topic is, 374 00:25:53.630 --> 00:25:56.750 whether it's women or people of Color or mental health or whatever. So 375 00:25:57.269 --> 00:26:02.589 I think the community thing is really huge. Community, quote unquote, as 376 00:26:02.589 --> 00:26:06.940 a buzz word, sucks because it gets way over used by people that are 377 00:26:07.059 --> 00:26:10.900 not into true community. But that was my favorite thing about it. And 378 00:26:11.019 --> 00:26:14.700 it's so easy to find people in the community. It's hard to it's hard 379 00:26:14.740 --> 00:26:18.809 to weed out who's fake, but when you talk to people, we have 380 00:26:18.930 --> 00:26:22.569 conversations like this, and you see that people actually reply with real words to 381 00:26:22.650 --> 00:26:26.849 your artwork, those are good people to follow. So yeah, pretty straightforward. 382 00:26:26.890 --> 00:26:30.529 How many months have you been on twitter then, actively for the NFT 383 00:26:30.690 --> 00:26:37.440 stuff? So I think I started. I think it was probably like late 384 00:26:37.640 --> 00:26:41.319 August. Cool, so less than half a year, roughly, or roughly 385 00:26:41.359 --> 00:26:45.680 half a year. So yeah, yeah, definitely coming up on the half 386 00:26:45.680 --> 00:26:49.789 of year mark soon here. But yeah, probably, yeah, it's a 387 00:26:49.829 --> 00:26:53.150 fit like late August or like September or something like that. When you first 388 00:26:53.230 --> 00:26:56.029 got your twitter account, what was the first thing you did? You decide 389 00:26:56.069 --> 00:27:00.390 to go make some art by some art. Like how did you put up 390 00:27:00.430 --> 00:27:03.819 a profile pick? This is kind of a cool instruction for people who have 391 00:27:03.940 --> 00:27:07.819 never done nft's before or are, you know, into this in general. 392 00:27:07.819 --> 00:27:12.220 What did you do first? True? Yeah, well, I feel bad 393 00:27:12.259 --> 00:27:17.089 almost because like I had like a twitter account that, you know, I 394 00:27:17.890 --> 00:27:21.289 used on and off for like years. Yeah, yeah, people do that. 395 00:27:22.210 --> 00:27:25.650 Yeah, so I kind of just like slowly transitioned it over, like 396 00:27:25.930 --> 00:27:30.640 I got into NFT's. We're just like started kind of like tweeting about nft 397 00:27:30.839 --> 00:27:36.359 stuff and then when my art, like I remember I started putting my art 398 00:27:36.440 --> 00:27:41.559 on Tezos and I remember it actually like it got bought and I was like, 399 00:27:41.680 --> 00:27:45.349 Oh shit, like we're real on this stuff now, you know. 400 00:27:47.230 --> 00:27:51.190 Oh yeah, and I just remember like I don't know, that's when, 401 00:27:51.190 --> 00:27:53.470 all the A, I started meeting all sorts of New People, you know, 402 00:27:55.630 --> 00:27:57.309 who were like commenting on my stuff and I was like interacting with them. 403 00:28:00.140 --> 00:28:03.380 But, to be honest, I remember there was kind of like a 404 00:28:03.940 --> 00:28:07.460 flip, like a flip of the switch, I guess. Yeah, I 405 00:28:07.660 --> 00:28:14.650 like I just like I just saw how everyone in the nft community was communicating 406 00:28:14.650 --> 00:28:17.289 with each other, and I was like Oh, like, I can just 407 00:28:18.089 --> 00:28:19.690 I don't have to like act like a stranger here, like I can just 408 00:28:19.769 --> 00:28:22.210 like comment on all these like artists. I like it us. I tell 409 00:28:22.289 --> 00:28:26.210 them, yeah, like hey, your piece of Super Dope and inspired me 410 00:28:26.920 --> 00:28:30.480 or like, you know whatnot. And that was like one of the coolest 411 00:28:30.559 --> 00:28:37.400 things was. I remember, like I replied to pop wonder because I heard 412 00:28:37.400 --> 00:28:40.079 him on that up that podcast I mentioned earlier. Oh yeah, right, 413 00:28:40.519 --> 00:28:41.390 and I just told them I was like hey, like, I heard your 414 00:28:41.430 --> 00:28:47.190 podcast on the Duncan trustle podcasts and super inspired me, kind of like what 415 00:28:47.349 --> 00:28:49.829 made me, you know, go go all into MPT's and you know, 416 00:28:49.950 --> 00:28:56.059 he like likes my comment, like retweets it, like replies to me, 417 00:28:56.180 --> 00:28:59.339 you know, like, and this happened with like a bunch of other artists 418 00:28:59.339 --> 00:29:03.380 that I, you know, didn't like just discover that I've been fans of 419 00:29:03.579 --> 00:29:07.140 for honestly years, like years before they had even gone into nfts themselves. 420 00:29:07.220 --> 00:29:11.089 Yep, yeah, or actually like you know like replying to me and like 421 00:29:11.210 --> 00:29:14.130 talking to me, and I was like, Holy Shit, like everyone actually 422 00:29:14.210 --> 00:29:17.849 is here like to be to talk about the art and like you know, 423 00:29:18.410 --> 00:29:22.609 it's so great, dude wool it's like walking into a party or a room 424 00:29:22.049 --> 00:29:26.359 you know, full of people that all have common interest and you can just 425 00:29:26.519 --> 00:29:30.640 talk, you can say something you do. You don't have to be invited 426 00:29:30.720 --> 00:29:33.519 to speak, you don't have to have permission. You there's no right or 427 00:29:33.519 --> 00:29:36.880 wrong thing to say. Obviously you don't be an Asshole, but you know 428 00:29:36.960 --> 00:29:41.470 I mean just and you say things. One of my favorite photographers doing nfts 429 00:29:41.630 --> 00:29:44.789 is guy that goes by drifter or shoots. If you've seen his stuff, 430 00:29:45.269 --> 00:29:48.349 I don't, probably have, probably would when you see it. He's one 431 00:29:48.349 --> 00:29:52.579 of these guys who climbs the fucking tallest shit in the world illegally and takes 432 00:29:52.740 --> 00:29:57.539 amazing pictures from the top. Oh, okay, I've definitely seen people like 433 00:29:57.740 --> 00:30:02.579 that, but that's awesome. My God, that Dude because beautiful. He 434 00:30:02.740 --> 00:30:04.420 went up to the I don't know what bridget was. I think it's on 435 00:30:04.460 --> 00:30:07.250 the east coast. It looks like the Golden Gate Bridge, but it appeared 436 00:30:07.250 --> 00:30:11.410 to be green or lit green, and he was on top of that motherfucker 437 00:30:11.769 --> 00:30:15.089 in a blizzard, because you could see all the snow on the roadway down 438 00:30:15.130 --> 00:30:19.009 below and like that means that fucker crawled up there on a slippery ass jakie 439 00:30:19.170 --> 00:30:25.920 cable thing up a extent whatever those kind of bridges, suspension bridge, and 440 00:30:26.279 --> 00:30:29.319 he's got to be a hundred fifty feet off the roadway, which is another 441 00:30:29.480 --> 00:30:33.839 hundred feet off the water below. Like, Oh my God, fucking yeah, 442 00:30:33.079 --> 00:30:36.190 but it's just amazing anyway. So I was really into his shit. 443 00:30:36.309 --> 00:30:40.069 So when I comment and liked, he replies and stuff like that. On 444 00:30:40.190 --> 00:30:44.390 my God, it's a fucking real dude. No Way. Yeah, that 445 00:30:44.549 --> 00:30:47.029 is so leveling, you know, it's so so neat. It's not like 446 00:30:47.190 --> 00:30:49.660 act there's a rock stars of the old days where they just nobody replies at 447 00:30:49.660 --> 00:30:53.859 all, like those old industries where they they post questions like hey, guys, 448 00:30:53.900 --> 00:30:56.819 what do you think about my new single? And everyone replies, but 449 00:30:56.900 --> 00:31:00.220 they'll never say anything, they'll never comment or anything else to the people who 450 00:31:00.259 --> 00:31:04.450 replied to their dumb question. Yeah, that's not doing social media right. 451 00:31:04.490 --> 00:31:08.009 So when I see the way the web three people are it's much more what 452 00:31:08.089 --> 00:31:11.730 I envisioned the Internet to be. You just yeah, it's very welcoming and 453 00:31:12.329 --> 00:31:17.529 very inviting. What was the first artwork you created? To be an NFT. 454 00:31:18.160 --> 00:31:22.200 So actually, this is this is really funny because it's kind of like 455 00:31:25.000 --> 00:31:30.039 connect with like the IC spirits projects the so when I first got like my 456 00:31:30.799 --> 00:31:34.349 tablet and everything, I was just like, you know, experimenting, because 457 00:31:34.390 --> 00:31:38.910 that's like my favorite thing to do, was just experiment like in visual art 458 00:31:38.950 --> 00:31:42.029 and in music, like I just love hearing something that's different. Yeah, 459 00:31:44.269 --> 00:31:49.059 so I just remember I just kind of like drew like this cool looking figure, 460 00:31:49.140 --> 00:31:53.980 you know, that had like horns and everything. I mean it basically 461 00:31:55.180 --> 00:32:00.380 was like a prototype of the spirit for that you know that I drawn the 462 00:32:00.420 --> 00:32:04.970 icy spirits. Yeah, it's help whether your description, for sure. Yeah, 463 00:32:05.130 --> 00:32:07.809 and so I just like started experimenting with all the effects and like different 464 00:32:07.849 --> 00:32:13.170 brushes and all this, and I got it like looking really cool and ethereal 465 00:32:13.450 --> 00:32:19.160 and like it didn't look look like a drawing almost it looked like it almost 466 00:32:19.160 --> 00:32:22.960 looked like a hallucination or something. Yeah, like a digital phantom kind of 467 00:32:22.519 --> 00:32:29.319 yeah, yeah, exactly. And so that was one of the first pieces 468 00:32:29.359 --> 00:32:34.390 of digital art that I ever made, might even be the first. And 469 00:32:34.509 --> 00:32:37.349 so then I as I was kind of like getting more into the nft community, 470 00:32:37.630 --> 00:32:42.869 I like set up my open sea and I was like I was like, 471 00:32:42.910 --> 00:32:45.619 okay, I just would want to see how this process works. You 472 00:32:45.740 --> 00:32:49.779 know what it how do you actually meant something? So I remember I got 473 00:32:49.819 --> 00:32:54.339 on open sea and I meant to that spirit or whatever it was, as 474 00:32:54.420 --> 00:33:00.250 like the first nft ever, and I decided not to sell it. I 475 00:33:00.410 --> 00:33:02.809 just like kind of mainly just wanted to test out how it worked. You 476 00:33:02.890 --> 00:33:07.930 know. Yeah, same I did say. But yeah, it's like cool 477 00:33:08.170 --> 00:33:15.359 and kind of funny and prophetical of you know where where I'm at now with 478 00:33:15.400 --> 00:33:20.079 NFTS, where I have like a project built around that style and that thing 479 00:33:20.240 --> 00:33:22.799 that, you know, is my first meant ever. Yeah, I love 480 00:33:22.880 --> 00:33:25.400 it. I'm looking at it right now. What is a whole APLEX? 481 00:33:25.920 --> 00:33:30.589 Is it all Lah, like the Mexican work? Was it like hole? 482 00:33:31.309 --> 00:33:35.990 I believe it's Holoplex. I like hold a grand plex. Okay, it's 483 00:33:36.029 --> 00:33:38.990 not all. Not, yeah, it's hall. Yeah, I'm not entirely 484 00:33:39.069 --> 00:33:43.259 sure that. So who knows, it could be. What is this run 485 00:33:43.579 --> 00:33:46.700 on? What chain is this ted? So it's it's it's Salana actually. 486 00:33:46.779 --> 00:33:49.980 Okay, yeah, Oh, yeah, because you got a that soul name. 487 00:33:50.539 --> 00:33:53.779 Yeah, yeah, I'm real proud of that. Awesome I'm definitely on 488 00:33:53.900 --> 00:33:58.890 the soul train and lover it. Off, I started off on a theoreum, 489 00:33:58.970 --> 00:34:04.849 you know, and it was cool, but I'm sorry, those gas 490 00:34:04.970 --> 00:34:10.719 fees are fucking ridiculous. And I like there's so many cool projects on a 491 00:34:10.800 --> 00:34:15.679 theoreum and whatnot. And then I even like when I first heard about Salana, 492 00:34:15.679 --> 00:34:19.639 I was like, okay, this is cool, but I'm kind of 493 00:34:19.679 --> 00:34:22.800 like skeptical or whatever. But then I started seeing that like Salana was actually 494 00:34:23.039 --> 00:34:27.349 very new, like I don't even think Salana has been around for a year 495 00:34:27.389 --> 00:34:30.909 yet, right, and then I just started seeing like the community and some 496 00:34:30.030 --> 00:34:36.590 of the artists, you know, form on Salana. Yep, and I 497 00:34:36.710 --> 00:34:39.739 remember there's this project that I was a part of called Angle Mon. It's 498 00:34:39.739 --> 00:34:44.739 actually like what my profile picture is and everything. Oh, yeah, I 499 00:34:44.860 --> 00:34:47.340 like that thing. And I saw that they were on Salana and I was 500 00:34:47.380 --> 00:34:51.340 like, okay, I'm actually interested in yeah, and this now, like 501 00:34:51.380 --> 00:34:53.610 I don't know much about Salana, but I trust really into this project. 502 00:34:53.730 --> 00:34:55.889 Yeah, yeah, a lot of people that like, well, these guys 503 00:34:55.929 --> 00:35:00.090 aren't all idiots and those people aren't. Can't be that, though, and 504 00:35:00.329 --> 00:35:05.289 okay, sure, I'll jump. Yeah, and then when I got on 505 00:35:05.409 --> 00:35:07.960 Salana, I just never went back because I fucking loved it. I mean, 506 00:35:08.480 --> 00:35:13.639 no gas, bees, super fast. Yeah, you still maintain your 507 00:35:14.840 --> 00:35:17.440 open sea account, though, just sits there. Yeah, yeah, I 508 00:35:17.480 --> 00:35:22.230 saw my open see and like, I mean I I just think it's smart 509 00:35:22.309 --> 00:35:25.630 to be on as many chains as make as it makes sense for you, 510 00:35:25.750 --> 00:35:30.269 you know. Yeah, I actually that'll be like a not a thing. 511 00:35:30.389 --> 00:35:35.510 I think eventually it'll just show the US dollar equivalent and here pick from these 512 00:35:35.550 --> 00:35:39.059 eighteen different coins you can buy with and will be transparent. Yeah, yeah, 513 00:35:39.059 --> 00:35:43.539 I feel like that's definitely going to come to because, like, I'm 514 00:35:43.579 --> 00:35:45.780 on, I'm on everything, like I got a theory. Um, I 515 00:35:45.860 --> 00:35:49.420 got tezos, N FT's and I got Salana and ATU. So Oh, 516 00:35:49.460 --> 00:35:52.969 yeah, I like tezos A lot. Do you use object? I use 517 00:35:53.050 --> 00:35:58.730 hen, which I know kind of yes, through objects, but yeah, 518 00:35:58.809 --> 00:36:01.889 I actually really do, Love, love tesmos. Yeah, I think I'm 519 00:36:01.929 --> 00:36:06.440 in there for the long haul, and tezos too. And really, basically 520 00:36:06.480 --> 00:36:08.679 I jumped in really quick to see how it all worked, make sure I 521 00:36:08.760 --> 00:36:13.360 got my wallet set up, got my eth name, got my test name 522 00:36:14.159 --> 00:36:16.639 and minted a bunch of stuff. I'm like, okay, I'm happy. 523 00:36:16.639 --> 00:36:20.429 I'm fine now, back now. I'm just back to the art now and 524 00:36:20.469 --> 00:36:23.710 then let me go create some interesting projects that I commit instead of just the 525 00:36:23.829 --> 00:36:28.789 ones I put up to test mit stuff. Yeah, yeah, totally. 526 00:36:30.550 --> 00:36:35.139 I can have like a weird like so, like the way I distinguish it 527 00:36:35.300 --> 00:36:39.619 is like I have tesos for personal work. It's like not necessarily part of 528 00:36:39.659 --> 00:36:43.380 a collection. It's just like that's good, you know, a cool art 529 00:36:43.380 --> 00:36:46.530 piece that I made. And then I also am definitely planning to use TESOS 530 00:36:46.610 --> 00:36:52.170 for music, because I feel like it works really well with music. Yeah, 531 00:36:52.210 --> 00:36:54.929 it's got a big backing from the music industry companies that I know of. 532 00:36:55.409 --> 00:37:00.210 They're like yeah, secretly building over in the TESOS thing. So I 533 00:37:00.329 --> 00:37:04.199 think that's a good, good move right there. Yeah, so when I 534 00:37:04.360 --> 00:37:07.719 start, you know, doing really, I guess, minting more of my 535 00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:12.000 music, I definitely plan on using TESOS for most of that and then I 536 00:37:12.039 --> 00:37:15.909 kind of use like Salana or a theorem for like if I have like a 537 00:37:15.030 --> 00:37:20.150 consistent project or like a collection. You know. Yeah, since that's when 538 00:37:20.150 --> 00:37:22.869 I'll kind of use those those more bigger chains, I guess. Yeah, 539 00:37:22.869 --> 00:37:25.670 yeah, exactly. It's kind of like well, if I'm gonna put something 540 00:37:25.710 --> 00:37:30.699 up in the Big Mall, I better make it nice, but otherwise I'll 541 00:37:30.699 --> 00:37:32.860 run over here to the flea market and just sell whatever I got. That's 542 00:37:32.940 --> 00:37:38.420 my mentality on the different exchanges. Yeah, TESOS is my street vendor are. 543 00:37:38.659 --> 00:37:40.860 Yeah, no, straight up and it. They all have different like 544 00:37:40.980 --> 00:37:45.409 a communities, I guess, for lack of a better word in that area. 545 00:37:45.530 --> 00:37:46.809 But yeah, they all got a different vibe for sure. I like 546 00:37:46.969 --> 00:37:51.329 them all. Yeah, those I know of those three and car downo. 547 00:37:51.409 --> 00:37:53.889 I don't know too many car downo art sites yet, but I haven't looked 548 00:37:53.929 --> 00:37:58.409 so yeah, I like it. I like what's going on there. So 549 00:37:58.800 --> 00:38:01.840 I like your spirits, you know, especially like the flame one. You 550 00:38:01.920 --> 00:38:06.199 just call flame spirit. But and so you're a capricorn, I guessing, 551 00:38:06.400 --> 00:38:12.440 or you've know somebody a well, so I'm a Taris actually okay, but 552 00:38:12.869 --> 00:38:17.070 I made it because it was a capricorn season. Yeah, kind of shaped 553 00:38:17.269 --> 00:38:21.269 similar, you know, kind of head a vibe. Just flip the ears 554 00:38:21.309 --> 00:38:24.670 in the horns other ways and now it's a Goatt. Yeah, exactly, 555 00:38:24.750 --> 00:38:30.059 exactly. And it's actually kind of funny you say that, because the next 556 00:38:30.099 --> 00:38:32.539 spirit I'm releasing is a quary of spirit because it's good. It's a quarious 557 00:38:32.539 --> 00:38:37.300 season. Oh yeah, yeah, that's a good idea. So it's going 558 00:38:37.340 --> 00:38:39.699 to be kind of like an ongoing I love it. I love the the 559 00:38:39.820 --> 00:38:45.210 boss one too. That's really evolved with the growth of the flowers, the 560 00:38:45.250 --> 00:38:50.369 petals kind of exploding off. That's really neat. Yeah, that that honestly 561 00:38:50.409 --> 00:38:53.730 might be my favorite one that I've that I've ever animated. Like that's so 562 00:38:53.809 --> 00:39:00.960 much fun drowing that one. But yeah, so it's just like an ongoing 563 00:39:01.119 --> 00:39:07.719 project. And what I think is really cool about I see spirits is I 564 00:39:07.039 --> 00:39:12.949 feel like it's like an art style that is really unique to me, you 565 00:39:13.110 --> 00:39:16.030 know, in some sense, like, I mean, if someone really tried, 566 00:39:16.070 --> 00:39:22.389 they could, but like it kind of can't be duplicated the way I 567 00:39:22.630 --> 00:39:27.739 make these, the spirits, like I just have like a distinct process for 568 00:39:27.860 --> 00:39:31.860 how I make each one. Yeah, and they have a very and solid 569 00:39:31.940 --> 00:39:36.380 voice too, because once you're out there and by way of promoting and, 570 00:39:36.539 --> 00:39:38.769 you know, being on a podcast or whatever, I think it's kind of 571 00:39:38.769 --> 00:39:43.329 a race to like who can establish your style first, and so far you're 572 00:39:43.369 --> 00:39:46.650 winning the race in your style. So I think you've doing it what right 573 00:39:46.730 --> 00:39:50.210 and I think your head at the game in that sense, because who's going 574 00:39:50.210 --> 00:39:53.400 to rip you off and not be called out for ripping you off? You 575 00:39:53.480 --> 00:39:58.400 know what I mean? Yeah, well, and I just feel like I 576 00:39:59.039 --> 00:40:01.719 don't know what I'm kind of really trying to do with IC spirits is like 577 00:40:04.320 --> 00:40:07.309 really, I mean like really just be an artist, you know, and 578 00:40:07.630 --> 00:40:12.829 an artists in the true sense of like do something that is really different, 579 00:40:13.030 --> 00:40:17.469 like take all the unique skills and abilities and ideas that I've had my whole 580 00:40:17.510 --> 00:40:22.380 life, right and, you know, pour it into this project, because 581 00:40:22.380 --> 00:40:25.300 I know I can do something that is never been done, you know, 582 00:40:25.420 --> 00:40:30.099 especially in the nft space, where it is such a baby, right. 583 00:40:30.940 --> 00:40:35.500 And so I don't know, I kind of't want to talk too much, 584 00:40:35.579 --> 00:40:39.610 like I don't want ever like want to. I don't know. This project 585 00:40:39.650 --> 00:40:45.889 is like ongoing, so I don't like want to talk about what's to Oh, 586 00:40:45.889 --> 00:40:46.610 yeah, yeah, I understand. It's my guess. You know, 587 00:40:46.610 --> 00:40:49.889 I don't want to. Yeah, you're an artist. Your artist, not 588 00:40:49.929 --> 00:40:52.159 a deaf. You're not. You're not sharing your road map. It's like 589 00:40:52.280 --> 00:40:54.079 it's a r yeah, there's some mystery here. You have to see it's 590 00:40:54.159 --> 00:40:59.280 our it just comes to bout. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So, 591 00:40:59.400 --> 00:41:01.719 like I'm not trying to put myself in a box, nope, but at 592 00:41:01.719 --> 00:41:06.429 the same time, like I definitely am. I'll see this like there's definitely 593 00:41:06.469 --> 00:41:12.269 like a story to like icy spirits. There's definitely like, like I'm working 594 00:41:12.389 --> 00:41:16.829 on a series of like animations for it to kind of like really flush it 595 00:41:16.949 --> 00:41:22.739 out and, you know, bring the story that I've kind of like had 596 00:41:22.260 --> 00:41:25.940 in the back of my head. That's great my life, honestly, like, 597 00:41:27.059 --> 00:41:29.420 you know, just finally bring it out. You've got some legend back 598 00:41:29.500 --> 00:41:32.289 there. That's great. Yeah, some some deep lore. You know, 599 00:41:32.449 --> 00:41:37.929 as I've listening and we're having an audio kind of conversation, I think I 600 00:41:37.050 --> 00:41:44.250 have to tell the audience what what's at the saying is. I see spirits, 601 00:41:44.489 --> 00:41:49.159 I see spirits, I see spirits. But that also gives me an 602 00:41:49.199 --> 00:41:52.920 idea for your Nick Spirit. Can you make an icy spirit, like one 603 00:41:53.000 --> 00:41:59.639 out of ice? Yeah, he could be like the mascot. He's the 604 00:41:59.679 --> 00:42:02.630 icy spirit, the icy spirit. I like that, and he could give 605 00:42:02.670 --> 00:42:06.309 me give them like gold chains or something. Yeah, he could go next 606 00:42:06.349 --> 00:42:08.150 to flame spirit. You have a flame and a hot and a cold, 607 00:42:08.190 --> 00:42:13.590 but I see spirit. Yeah, listening like I put the listeners just thinking 608 00:42:13.789 --> 00:42:19.739 what is saying? Icy Spirits, though. It's I see spirits and shortly 609 00:42:19.820 --> 00:42:23.980 to come there'll be an icy spirit up there. Yeah, it's kind of 610 00:42:24.059 --> 00:42:29.300 funny. That's actually the the next spirit I was working on. It wasn't 611 00:42:29.300 --> 00:42:30.530 I wasn't going to call an icy spirit. I was going to call at 612 00:42:30.570 --> 00:42:35.570 frosty spirit and have it be like winter themed. But on man, you'd 613 00:42:35.610 --> 00:42:38.650 miss the theme. Hey, there's no time, there's no time. That's 614 00:42:38.650 --> 00:42:42.929 funny because, as you say, if as you say it, you hear 615 00:42:42.969 --> 00:42:45.000 it the way you've always thought it, I see spirits, and when you 616 00:42:45.079 --> 00:42:47.920 say it quickly, I'm just I hear it, I see spirits, I'm 617 00:42:47.960 --> 00:42:52.199 like, Oh yeah, that's fucking awesome. Yeah, that's fun, Dude, 618 00:42:52.280 --> 00:42:57.519 and I can't wait to hear your music. Would you mind if I 619 00:42:57.800 --> 00:43:01.750 found your music on soundcloud and picked a song and used it for the intro 620 00:43:01.869 --> 00:43:06.630 music for this podcast? Oh yeah, go for it. Make it all 621 00:43:06.710 --> 00:43:09.190 like complete right, make it like a whole complete episode, and a lot 622 00:43:09.230 --> 00:43:13.260 of times I'll just try to find somebody's art, like one of your nfts, 623 00:43:13.420 --> 00:43:16.380 and put it as the album cover of the podcast to if you're cool 624 00:43:16.420 --> 00:43:21.699 with that? Oh yeah, totally. I was actually been going to ask 625 00:43:21.739 --> 00:43:27.210 you if you wanted to like because, well, I guess I don't know 626 00:43:27.289 --> 00:43:30.969 what you do for the cover art of like every podcast, but if you 627 00:43:31.090 --> 00:43:34.289 were going to use that, you know, Dojo logo, I was like 628 00:43:34.329 --> 00:43:37.210 thinking'd be quota maybe collab if you like, send me like the base or 629 00:43:37.250 --> 00:43:40.369 whatever of that logo and then I could like kind of I would do something. 630 00:43:40.369 --> 00:43:45.039 I would love to for sure, like, no, hesitantly, like 631 00:43:45.079 --> 00:43:47.440 a hundred percent it. Or if you want to promote your own piece too, 632 00:43:47.440 --> 00:43:50.920 I we could do both. I love to see what you would do 633 00:43:51.079 --> 00:43:55.110 with the Yin Yang face and I will be happy to put any art you 634 00:43:55.190 --> 00:44:00.869 want as the cover of the podcast. Fuck yeah, well, I like, 635 00:44:01.030 --> 00:44:06.550 I just love the logo that you have for the for the podcast, 636 00:44:06.710 --> 00:44:10.260 and like I love those and if he's that you you know, Oh yeah, 637 00:44:10.380 --> 00:44:15.579 your logo. I'm just purposefully trying to stay super limited to just circular 638 00:44:15.659 --> 00:44:17.500 shapes on that thing I have. I have no idea that those are my 639 00:44:17.579 --> 00:44:21.340 test logos, basically because I've had that logo for a long time, since 640 00:44:21.380 --> 00:44:23.409 I made it for the podcast. I have some original versions that look like. 641 00:44:23.530 --> 00:44:27.849 Have you ever seen Mickey Mouse? But then look at the old versions 642 00:44:27.889 --> 00:44:30.690 of Mickey Mouse. He looks creepy and scary. Yeah, I have that. 643 00:44:30.809 --> 00:44:35.250 I have that version also of the Yin Yang face. They creepy. 644 00:44:35.369 --> 00:44:37.599 I love that. The tooth, it's too long and skinny. Of a 645 00:44:37.679 --> 00:44:42.280 smile, my good. No, it's fucked up. Thanks that. People 646 00:44:42.320 --> 00:44:45.280 Nightmares, but it but it is like a Halloween special area. Yeah, 647 00:44:45.440 --> 00:44:49.480 straight up, Dude. And then I had like iterations when I used to 648 00:44:49.519 --> 00:44:52.429 get angry and do like podcast about gun violence. I had one with like 649 00:44:52.710 --> 00:44:55.989 he's got a bullethead right in his forehead. Instead of circles for eyes, 650 00:44:57.030 --> 00:45:00.309 he's got X, has a lot of just I don't know. It's not. 651 00:45:00.510 --> 00:45:01.750 I didn't really intend it for it to be an art project, but 652 00:45:01.829 --> 00:45:08.579 I was had a fascination with that yellow have a nice day smiley face logo. 653 00:45:09.699 --> 00:45:13.460 HMM. And I looked at yeah, looked up the guy who's just 654 00:45:13.579 --> 00:45:15.420 the guy who saw graphic designer and he made it. I'm like, Oh, 655 00:45:15.619 --> 00:45:19.539 yeah, I want something like that. Like doesn't really mean much. 656 00:45:19.579 --> 00:45:22.010 It just means people could talk about their mental health openly. You see that 657 00:45:22.130 --> 00:45:27.130 little symbol and like that's not too much to ask, but it's a lot 658 00:45:27.170 --> 00:45:30.289 of work for one, one person. But Anyway, I love that. 659 00:45:30.369 --> 00:45:34.530 Actually, though, that's such a cool vision that you have for it and 660 00:45:34.650 --> 00:45:38.920 I feel like it matches perfectly projects. Dude. But that came around, 661 00:45:38.960 --> 00:45:43.039 dude, because the whole thing, like I always associate everything with being in 662 00:45:43.119 --> 00:45:45.320 a band, and so I work backwards. I'm like, what's going to 663 00:45:45.480 --> 00:45:50.909 be the logo on the T shirt? That's so I start every project backwards 664 00:45:51.349 --> 00:45:54.869 from the tea shirts of like logo tshirt. What the fuck would you call 665 00:45:54.989 --> 00:46:00.869 a show that had that as a logo? And then we're talking about something 666 00:46:00.309 --> 00:46:05.619 many years ago. I'm like, Oh, emo came up as a short 667 00:46:05.739 --> 00:46:08.780 for fucking emotion. Someone said you should go by John Emo and I'm like 668 00:46:08.860 --> 00:46:12.780 yeah, but then people think I'm like an emo kid, when like a 669 00:46:12.900 --> 00:46:15.219 fucking grown up. All right, and I like emo music, not. 670 00:46:15.420 --> 00:46:19.409 Yeah, like that a lot, but I'm just not emo. Yeah, 671 00:46:19.530 --> 00:46:22.769 right, I shave my head like we're makeup, but some like EMOs. 672 00:46:22.849 --> 00:46:27.769 Cool, it's and I like word rhymes. I'm like Emo Dojo, yeah, 673 00:46:27.889 --> 00:46:30.250 that sounds fun, because I like Mojo Jojo from the powerpuff girls. 674 00:46:31.170 --> 00:46:36.079 Oh that's great. I love that. Some like Emojojo sounds like a fucking 675 00:46:36.119 --> 00:46:38.280 cool name for podcast, and then it just dominates the search engine results. 676 00:46:38.320 --> 00:46:42.920 You can't like look for EMO Dojo without pulling up like two pages of it, 677 00:46:43.199 --> 00:46:45.800 of just my share. Like Oh, okay, I'm using that, 678 00:46:45.440 --> 00:46:47.949 but now I kind of feel constricted. So I'm like what else can I 679 00:46:47.989 --> 00:46:52.230 do? So I'm looking for a different podcast or different kind of trouble to 680 00:46:52.269 --> 00:46:58.309 get into while I'm percolating on the NFTR art. Yeah, it's a great 681 00:46:58.349 --> 00:47:02.260 logo and like a great name, like it really stands out. I kind 682 00:47:02.260 --> 00:47:07.300 of like see everything, like I am like obsessed with like esthetics, like 683 00:47:07.820 --> 00:47:12.019 say, yeah, just like the overall like esthetic, like it needs to 684 00:47:12.099 --> 00:47:15.289 all look nice and I'll have like a consistent theme, even if it's just 685 00:47:15.449 --> 00:47:20.690 like a little video that I post, you know promote the next spirit or 686 00:47:20.690 --> 00:47:23.289 whatever it's, so it'll get be a part of the same energy and like 687 00:47:23.409 --> 00:47:27.769 all feel the same. You know, your talking exactly why I do not 688 00:47:28.170 --> 00:47:31.400 live stream, because it's just waste way, a whole another level of work 689 00:47:31.480 --> 00:47:37.880 to make everything meet that standard. I feel. Yeah, I feel I 690 00:47:37.960 --> 00:47:44.510 actually I'm actually like planning man I don't know if I should the well, 691 00:47:44.550 --> 00:47:46.030 I'll just I'll just say it like. Well, you could speak obliquely, 692 00:47:46.150 --> 00:47:50.869 you know, you don't have to mention details necessarily. Yeah, yeah, 693 00:47:52.150 --> 00:47:54.829 I'll just say like I'm actually planning like kind of the next phase of, 694 00:47:54.989 --> 00:48:01.579 I see spirits is a I'm planning on doing a live stream of incorporating like 695 00:48:02.420 --> 00:48:07.179 music, yeah, into it. It's kind of funny. So, and 696 00:48:08.340 --> 00:48:14.130 like performing to so kind of like Djing and whatnot. I'm like trying to 697 00:48:14.210 --> 00:48:15.929 I'm playing around with like a Oh yeah, a lot of different ways to 698 00:48:16.010 --> 00:48:21.289 do it and actually have a great I've a really cool idea, like I 699 00:48:21.610 --> 00:48:27.320 just ordered this here. Yeah, yeah, I can totally see that. 700 00:48:27.599 --> 00:48:32.800 And like, I mean, you know, I I grew up just like 701 00:48:34.159 --> 00:48:37.599 strongly believing in like the golden rule, you know, just like love everyone 702 00:48:37.760 --> 00:48:42.389 as as yourself. Yeah, and then, I don't know, kind of 703 00:48:42.429 --> 00:48:45.150 just like dealing with like the challenges and everything of growing up. Right. 704 00:48:45.190 --> 00:48:51.349 Yeah, yeah, hard, growing up as fucking then fucking hard man Jesus. 705 00:48:51.349 --> 00:48:55.019 Yeah, but I don't know, you know, just get into that 706 00:48:55.059 --> 00:48:59.460 place where like okay, like I just like want to, I don't know, 707 00:48:59.579 --> 00:49:00.820 show the world out, like hey, I got something going on in 708 00:49:00.940 --> 00:49:05.900 here that's like really cool and like I want to use this to actually help 709 00:49:05.940 --> 00:49:07.539 people and, you know, make their make their lives better and whatnot. 710 00:49:07.579 --> 00:49:09.530 You know, if I could just make you laugh, there'd be great. 711 00:49:10.010 --> 00:49:15.929 Have you ever thought of drawing, like doing your art live, or do 712 00:49:15.010 --> 00:49:21.530 you think your process? You would rather keep your process more private? It's 713 00:49:21.570 --> 00:49:24.639 kind of funny because even even with music, I've always been like such a 714 00:49:25.719 --> 00:49:30.719 host like I don't know what you would call it, but like I just 715 00:49:30.880 --> 00:49:35.960 like love recording something in silence and then just like, you know, going 716 00:49:36.119 --> 00:49:39.510 crazy. We lie at night like everyone's asleep and then just like, I 717 00:49:39.590 --> 00:49:44.469 don't know, going in on him. And the same, same process is 718 00:49:44.469 --> 00:49:46.909 kind of with my art, because like I can draw some really cool shit 719 00:49:47.590 --> 00:49:52.230 and that would be cool. Like I do want to do things like that 720 00:49:52.389 --> 00:49:59.420 eventually, but I get the most out of my art when I basically have 721 00:49:59.539 --> 00:50:02.219 like a finished piece or close to finish, and I'm like okay, like 722 00:50:02.380 --> 00:50:06.500 what else can we do that with this? Like can we throw some effects 723 00:50:06.539 --> 00:50:10.409 on this right? Yeah, you know, merge it with another picture or 724 00:50:10.530 --> 00:50:15.210 something like. So I don't know. That's where I'm like kind of leaning 725 00:50:15.250 --> 00:50:22.000 towards doing more of like a set in the future with, like I see 726 00:50:22.000 --> 00:50:25.679 spirits cool, we're just like playing music kind of, you know, just 727 00:50:25.840 --> 00:50:30.719 performing it. Yep, though, I would love to kind of blur that 728 00:50:30.599 --> 00:50:37.190 barrier of like making making it, you know, making like a song, 729 00:50:37.349 --> 00:50:44.309 like I would love to perform like music live and all of that. Wouldn't 730 00:50:44.309 --> 00:50:50.219 that be cool like have your art as somehow the stage show going on behind 731 00:50:50.260 --> 00:50:52.699 you? You know how like bands have like video screens and things like that, 732 00:50:52.460 --> 00:50:55.780 some somehow being behind, you know, just somewhere on the screen or 733 00:50:55.820 --> 00:50:59.260 in front of you. Frankly, it's video. It could be anywhere on 734 00:50:59.300 --> 00:51:02.099 the screen while you're jamming out. Would you do it like twitch live stream? 735 00:51:02.179 --> 00:51:06.610 In that case, that's like what I'm still trying to figure out. 736 00:51:07.090 --> 00:51:09.849 It likely would be like twitch or youtube or yeah, you know something there, 737 00:51:12.849 --> 00:51:15.809 but I'm like just trying to figure out all the I'm the same hot 738 00:51:15.969 --> 00:51:19.519 right shit, yeah, I'm the same way with that and both in the 739 00:51:20.000 --> 00:51:22.119 whole life thing. I'm like wide lie, like we're talking live, right. 740 00:51:22.159 --> 00:51:27.159 I'm going to record this and people here generally alive conversation whenever they feel 741 00:51:27.199 --> 00:51:31.989 like hearing it. Cool, but truly live. Bothers me because there's so 742 00:51:31.989 --> 00:51:36.070 many interruptions, like people like, Oh, you just do twitter spaces, 743 00:51:36.110 --> 00:51:38.710 and I'm like why, I got a fucking deal with all these people praising 744 00:51:38.750 --> 00:51:43.230 their hand and asking questions and interrupting, like I don't want to hear from 745 00:51:43.230 --> 00:51:46.659 you, I just want to talk to the person I'm talking to. I 746 00:51:46.780 --> 00:51:51.380 feel. Yeah, said, I like that about podcast. It's like slow 747 00:51:51.500 --> 00:51:54.820 down, let's hear one person talk at a time and get get more deep 748 00:51:54.900 --> 00:51:59.420 than wide and shallow, and you know that way you just get a got 749 00:51:59.420 --> 00:52:01.449 a few I think people get to know each other better and the audience gets 750 00:52:01.489 --> 00:52:05.530 to know the artist better, like they get a definite feel for it. 751 00:52:05.570 --> 00:52:07.329 If they listen to the end of the PODCAST, chances are really high they're 752 00:52:07.329 --> 00:52:10.730 probably going to follow you, go look at all your stuff. Maybe said 753 00:52:10.730 --> 00:52:15.170 a the bell on twitter, so they see all your posts and that sort 754 00:52:15.210 --> 00:52:16.840 of thing. So every little bit helps, man, that's for sure. 755 00:52:16.880 --> 00:52:22.599 Yeah, definitely, and I kind of just like I don't like to be 756 00:52:22.119 --> 00:52:27.880 stressed or anything, you know, same, same, like I just and 757 00:52:28.360 --> 00:52:34.630 typically like when I'm creating, I just feel the most like comfortable and all 758 00:52:34.670 --> 00:52:37.190 that, just like completely alone, like yeah, all right, like let 759 00:52:37.269 --> 00:52:39.750 me let me do this on my own time and don't have to worry about 760 00:52:39.789 --> 00:52:45.460 like a deadline or, you know, worrying if I fuck up or if 761 00:52:45.500 --> 00:52:47.820 I look bad or yeah, yeah, you know, let's sortver kind of 762 00:52:47.820 --> 00:52:52.219 bullshit. Yep, that's a real thing. Due public humiliation sucks and if 763 00:52:52.260 --> 00:52:55.460 you fuck up live, it's just embarrassing. It hurts my heart. Yeah, 764 00:52:55.699 --> 00:53:00.250 like, I'd rather just like spend hours at any editing it and making 765 00:53:00.289 --> 00:53:02.250 it look like the most pristine thing ever and then being like all right, 766 00:53:02.489 --> 00:53:06.449 like now you guys can see what I'm like really made of. Yeah, 767 00:53:06.449 --> 00:53:07.690 yeah, this is what I meant to show you. It's just like, 768 00:53:07.769 --> 00:53:10.210 yeah, but when you're a kid or whatever, you need to paint a 769 00:53:10.250 --> 00:53:14.360 picture, I'd put my back to the wall and put my Easel, you 770 00:53:14.440 --> 00:53:16.119 know, on the other side so people can generally watch. I didn't like, 771 00:53:16.280 --> 00:53:19.920 I mean wasn't a secret. I was going to show the class what 772 00:53:20.000 --> 00:53:22.760 I was painting when I was done, just like everybody. But I'm like, 773 00:53:22.760 --> 00:53:25.880 kid, don't look like whatever, go do your things, bother me 774 00:53:27.000 --> 00:53:31.429 your vibes over my shoulder thing. Yeah, yeah, I know, like, 775 00:53:31.989 --> 00:53:36.909 I mean I like I've tried to like collaborate with people on music and 776 00:53:37.710 --> 00:53:39.190 you know, it goes well, and especially if like I know the person 777 00:53:39.309 --> 00:53:43.539 right. Yeah, for sure. But still, like there's always something, 778 00:53:43.579 --> 00:53:45.860 like always like like if I'm in a jam session or whatever, like I'll 779 00:53:45.900 --> 00:53:49.500 record it, will have a good time and I'm like okay, cool, 780 00:53:49.539 --> 00:53:52.139 we got something good, and then like I'll go to my room, just 781 00:53:52.219 --> 00:53:54.969 open up my laptop and like go crazy with like all the edits and production 782 00:53:55.050 --> 00:53:59.809 and mixing and all that, like I don't know, I just like Oh, 783 00:53:59.849 --> 00:54:02.010 yeah, it's more you have a skilier right, so you're like hunting 784 00:54:02.090 --> 00:54:05.489 for the sounds when you're out recording, like okay, that's good, we 785 00:54:05.570 --> 00:54:07.250 got what I need. But you're like yeah, done, you're not done 786 00:54:07.250 --> 00:54:09.599 at all, like I got what I need and I'll see you in three 787 00:54:09.599 --> 00:54:15.800 days. Yeah, that that is me. Like I just this, like 788 00:54:15.960 --> 00:54:20.079 I know what I can do to things like in the post production. So 789 00:54:20.519 --> 00:54:23.710 a lot of times, and actually even for a for like the song I 790 00:54:23.829 --> 00:54:31.309 have on spotify, like I went and recorded some of my vocals and whatnot 791 00:54:31.389 --> 00:54:36.349 for that without even like the best my quality, like I'm straight of just 792 00:54:36.469 --> 00:54:40.780 use like a I use like a Gamer headset that, oh yeah, my 793 00:54:42.179 --> 00:54:45.940 friend gave to me. Sure, so it was it was like what like 794 00:54:46.860 --> 00:54:54.050 a hundred at most, probably like seventy headset. So not the best mic 795 00:54:54.090 --> 00:54:57.409 or anything, but I was like I don't care, you know, I 796 00:54:57.570 --> 00:55:00.730 know I can throw a compressor and chorus effect and like Eq and all this 797 00:55:00.809 --> 00:55:05.409 shit and make it sound sick as fuck and it'll still have like a cool 798 00:55:05.969 --> 00:55:07.360 it'll have the the sound, like the sounds. Yeah, yeah, well, 799 00:55:07.400 --> 00:55:10.400 yeah, yeah, exactly. Well, this is awesome, Dude. 800 00:55:10.440 --> 00:55:14.519 Anything else you want to share that we didn't cover? Yeah, well, 801 00:55:14.800 --> 00:55:17.400 I guess I'm I guess I'll just kind of go over my release schedule. 802 00:55:17.840 --> 00:55:22.510 If anyone is like curious about I see spirits. Yeah, that's a good 803 00:55:22.550 --> 00:55:25.949 idea, just to give them some set the expectations. Yeah, yeah, 804 00:55:27.150 --> 00:55:31.989 so, I mean, you know, I see spirits dot holoplexcom or. 805 00:55:32.909 --> 00:55:36.820 Yeah, that's fine, we'll put the link down in the notes anyway, 806 00:55:36.860 --> 00:55:37.820 so if they're hearing this, they can just scroll down and see. It 807 00:55:37.860 --> 00:55:43.380 will link all the right places. Okay, perfect. So that it's like 808 00:55:43.460 --> 00:55:47.380 my storefront where I do these one of one animated, you know, like 809 00:55:47.579 --> 00:55:53.730 little spirits, and I have a release schedule where I do three spirits every 810 00:55:53.769 --> 00:55:58.650 week. On Monday and Wednesday I put one out for a set price, 811 00:55:59.170 --> 00:56:01.289 meaning as soon as it's up you can buy it, and then I put 812 00:56:01.329 --> 00:56:07.280 one up on on Friday that will that's an auction, and then the winning 813 00:56:07.320 --> 00:56:13.000 bid of that act of that auction determines the set price for the following week. 814 00:56:13.679 --> 00:56:17.239 So it's interesting. That's cool. Yeah, and I did that. 815 00:56:17.400 --> 00:56:23.030 So I honestly did it more for like myself to be like all right, 816 00:56:23.110 --> 00:56:29.150 like let's consistently make these you know, I want to have like a weekly, 817 00:56:29.389 --> 00:56:36.460 consistent release schedule, but I also kind of have that for the collectors, 818 00:56:36.500 --> 00:56:42.780 you know, so that there their spirit always remains like valuable. You 819 00:56:42.900 --> 00:56:45.139 know, it always remains whatever that valuable. Yeah, we did the range. 820 00:56:45.139 --> 00:56:52.570 Yeah, within the range of the auction or whatnot. So, yeah, 821 00:56:52.650 --> 00:56:58.449 that's kind of the the schedule and whatnot for it, and I'm actually 822 00:56:58.489 --> 00:57:00.369 working right now to kind of like expand it. So I'm trying to bring 823 00:57:00.369 --> 00:57:06.800 it to other market places, like exchange art is what I'm currently working on 824 00:57:06.960 --> 00:57:12.280 to get it over to fantastic. But yeah, I plan on icy spirits. 825 00:57:12.519 --> 00:57:19.510 It's going to be a like ongoing projects. And you know more will 826 00:57:19.590 --> 00:57:23.510 come. So yeah, just come, come check it out. That's fantastic. 827 00:57:23.590 --> 00:57:28.869 I wish you continue success and I'm glad you're selling your art and trying 828 00:57:28.909 --> 00:57:30.500 all those different venues to to sell it. Like, if one doesn't work 829 00:57:30.619 --> 00:57:34.699 and gas fees are too high, try something else. They're all CRYPTO, 830 00:57:34.820 --> 00:57:38.460 they're all be on the blockchain, right, and exactly cash. It turns 831 00:57:38.500 --> 00:57:44.449 into US dollars the same regardless of where you sell it. So super impressive, 832 00:57:44.530 --> 00:57:46.409 man. I love talking to you. Have a great attitude about everything. 833 00:57:46.889 --> 00:57:50.809 And also check down in the notes down below. We're have all the 834 00:57:50.889 --> 00:57:55.809 links to sets twitter page, to the his various artworks in the different platforms 835 00:57:57.250 --> 00:58:00.199 and ways to get it and I'm sure if you want to talk to him 836 00:58:00.199 --> 00:58:04.239 he'll be happy to reply to your direct message. Right. Yeah, yeah, 837 00:58:04.280 --> 00:58:07.079 absolutely. I love meeting the people in the space. Yeah, isn't 838 00:58:07.079 --> 00:58:10.559 it great? Awesome, man. Well, thanks again, and if you 839 00:58:10.679 --> 00:58:14.269 want to come back or if, after you listen to this episode, it 840 00:58:14.309 --> 00:58:16.510 sounds weird and you just feel uncomfortable something, let me know and we'll do 841 00:58:16.630 --> 00:58:20.230 our best to either editor just pull it off, you know, until we 842 00:58:20.309 --> 00:58:22.710 fix it. So it's all good. Sometimes people forget what they said and 843 00:58:22.829 --> 00:58:25.989 they're like me, okay, some people like you and me and most of 844 00:58:25.989 --> 00:58:30.340 the people that have come on this show or Jine generally themselves all the time. 845 00:58:30.460 --> 00:58:34.659 So there's very few things we say that we find fuck it. Yeah, 846 00:58:34.860 --> 00:58:38.619 just let it go. Yeah, yeah, well, awesome. Hey, 847 00:58:38.980 --> 00:58:43.369 I'm so, so glad I got to talk to you. And Yeah, 848 00:58:43.530 --> 00:58:45.409 this is awesome. Yeah, they can do it again. Yeah, 849 00:58:45.409 --> 00:58:49.130 the owners all mine and I super appreciate you and look forward to I've been 850 00:58:49.170 --> 00:58:53.090 having a scheduling follow up interviews to with the past and FT artists have had 851 00:58:53.210 --> 00:58:57.119 on the show. So I will probably hit you up in a few weeks 852 00:58:57.119 --> 00:58:59.440 to just to see how thing you know, take the pulse, see how 853 00:58:59.480 --> 00:59:00.679 things are going. Or they getting better? They getting worse? Did you 854 00:59:00.679 --> 00:59:04.320 jump out of the CRYPTO market? What's going on? You know? Well, 855 00:59:05.440 --> 00:59:07.960 it's fun to follow up and just kind of strengthen the bonds that we've 856 00:59:07.960 --> 00:59:10.989 already formed. So I'll work out. Yeah, yeah, I love that 857 00:59:12.190 --> 00:59:15.829 and I really love, honestly like what you're doing for for the space and 858 00:59:15.989 --> 00:59:22.030 like the community of just really making it real. So honestly, like you're 859 00:59:22.030 --> 00:59:27.820 doing a honestly amazing service for just like the whole community, of making it 860 00:59:28.019 --> 00:59:30.659 like, you know, you see the profiles, but you actually get to 861 00:59:30.699 --> 00:59:32.380 like talk to the real people. So yeah, yeah, nothing but the 862 00:59:32.420 --> 00:59:36.059 best. I appreciate you saying that. Thanks a bunch and have a great 863 00:59:36.099 --> 00:59:38.530 rest your weekend. It's you as well. All right, Chare by, 864 00:59:38.610 --> 00:60:06.840 buddy, and now back to the wall.