What is Outcastverse? Featuring Conrad

WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:10.180 And you know if you're like, if you're an artist of any kind, now be someone 2 00:00:10.220 --> 00:00:13.700 who draws or paints or even the musician or dancer a singer like we 3 00:00:13.720 --> 00:00:18.020 want to help promote your work. We want to help support you that was Conrad 4 00:00:18.060 --> 00:00:23.500 from outcast verse kind of that perfect guest for this type of show. Let me 5 00:00:23.540 --> 00:00:29.660 tell you what outcast verse is a community focused on mental health and 6 00:00:29.900 --> 00:00:30.600 artist, 7 00:00:31.640 --> 00:00:37.000 who couldn't be a better guess for this show than Conrad otherwise known in 8 00:00:37.120 --> 00:00:40.080 outcast first, as Rad Conrad Con, 9 00:00:41.220 --> 00:00:44.400 so here's my interview with him. I hope you enjoy it and is always you know 10 00:00:44.560 --> 00:00:49.000 remember to follow along hit. The follow button find me on twitter at 11 00:00:49.120 --> 00:00:51.600 Johnny motions. We can be friends 12 00:01:00.980 --> 00:01:06.060 so wanted to shout out to that for being so active on twitter and noticing 13 00:01:06.140 --> 00:01:09.800 cool things so yeah, I feel very auspicious that would cross paths, 14 00:01:09.980 --> 00:01:15.320 especially when I got to your discord, server, outcast the verse and read what 15 00:01:15.380 --> 00:01:18.800 you guys were about and, like Oh yeah, these guys are kindred spirits. This is 16 00:01:18.860 --> 00:01:23.200 exactly what I what I think this is nf thing is about to yeah. 17 00:01:24.200 --> 00:01:28.160 That is amazing. She's been reaching out to all types of people, artists, 18 00:01:28.200 --> 00:01:31.840 musicians, people like you who care about the mental health, space and 19 00:01:32.880 --> 00:01:38.540 she's. She has a heart, so we get into contact with so many good people, and 20 00:01:38.580 --> 00:01:43.780 it really, you know, tjeme some bad actors in the C space, but the people 21 00:01:43.820 --> 00:01:48.700 like you who really make a shine yeah, it's interesting and I'm super new to n 22 00:01:48.780 --> 00:01:53.820 FT, I'm not new to art or mental health in it. It all just really kind of cross 23 00:01:53.900 --> 00:01:58.900 path, not more than two months ago. I think really, I'm not sure what the 24 00:01:58.920 --> 00:02:02.120 first thing I saw, probably like a wired or forbs article, or something 25 00:02:02.200 --> 00:02:06.080 like that. But I'd heard about them quite a while back, because I was in 26 00:02:06.100 --> 00:02:09.400 the non profit space. So I knew that 27 00:02:10.400 --> 00:02:14.740 Crypto blockchain, generally speaking, would be such a great asset to the non 28 00:02:14.800 --> 00:02:18.480 profit space in the future. You'll be able to just see where non profits 29 00:02:18.520 --> 00:02:22.360 spend their money and they will either fail or thrive depending on how well 30 00:02:22.400 --> 00:02:26.460 they run, and I can't wait for that to happen. Oh yeah yeah there is so much 31 00:02:26.540 --> 00:02:32.400 potential and Crypto web three NF. You know. Even I guess you could say the 32 00:02:32.420 --> 00:02:36.140 meadow verse at this point since facebook change their name. So there's 33 00:02:36.200 --> 00:02:40.580 that that the sealing is is is limitless and I can't wait to see yeah 34 00:02:40.760 --> 00:02:44.240 now. It's really wild, isn't it it's almost a mind blowing for it for most 35 00:02:44.300 --> 00:02:48.460 of the people, I've known in the creative space, the art space that are 36 00:02:48.980 --> 00:02:52.440 musicians, performers. You know fine artists and things like that. 37 00:02:53.940 --> 00:02:57.520 It's really interesting to see how all of this will finally get locked down 38 00:02:57.660 --> 00:03:03.320 into a you know, infinity time capsule for future generations will actually 39 00:03:03.360 --> 00:03:06.700 see like. Oh that's the person that created that that's where that came 40 00:03:06.820 --> 00:03:06.920 from 41 00:03:08.460 --> 00:03:12.140 with with proof like Providence, all the way back to the start. I love that 42 00:03:13.360 --> 00:03:19.640 Oh yeah, and currently you know ftes it really it's there for the artists who 43 00:03:19.800 --> 00:03:21.420 can you know, use, 44 00:03:22.520 --> 00:03:27.320 I guess software to draw things right, but it is still really untapped for 45 00:03:27.420 --> 00:03:34.100 those who do other forms of art, like musicians, dancers, singers, and you 46 00:03:34.140 --> 00:03:38.480 know all sorts of different self expressions out there and I think in 47 00:03:38.540 --> 00:03:42.480 the future we will be able to sort of reach that bridge where we can allow 48 00:03:42.640 --> 00:03:45.720 these other type of artists to showcase their passions and self expressions, 49 00:03:46.000 --> 00:03:49.700 and once we reach that point, I think that's when, like wow things are, are 50 00:03:49.780 --> 00:03:50.720 really looking up. For 51 00:03:51.960 --> 00:03:54.920 you know, artists as a whole yeah. I think that's one of the great things 52 00:03:55.000 --> 00:03:59.960 too, because a lot of people that keep up with things in general saw bit coin 53 00:04:00.020 --> 00:04:04.060 happening. They just didn't have a bunch of money sitting around to invest. 54 00:04:04.500 --> 00:04:08.620 They saw the com boom, probably happening. They didn't have much money 55 00:04:08.660 --> 00:04:12.960 to invest their artist. You know the classic struggling artist Trope, but 56 00:04:13.000 --> 00:04:16.820 this time it seems way different, because you've got people that had 57 00:04:16.880 --> 00:04:22.300 invested back then with Crypto to spend, and the only thing artists really need 58 00:04:22.320 --> 00:04:26.620 to get involved is there. Art is the creative passion and the willingness to 59 00:04:26.640 --> 00:04:27.520 try something new, 60 00:04:29.700 --> 00:04:33.980 Oh yeah, and we can get to this later. But there is a fallacy in the statement 61 00:04:34.000 --> 00:04:37.880 you just said in that we are here supporting artists and notes, give the 62 00:04:37.940 --> 00:04:41.020 artist so many opportunities to get their name out. There become successful 63 00:04:41.100 --> 00:04:45.520 and share their creation, but there are so many more artists that get left 64 00:04:45.540 --> 00:04:49.340 behind in this pace like how many can just compare the number of successful 65 00:04:49.400 --> 00:04:54.580 artists to the number of artists who can't even sell you know one mt or yes 66 00:04:54.840 --> 00:04:58.660 or the Noga in a teases in general, and you don't know how to other work right 67 00:04:58.700 --> 00:05:02.760 so yep that in itselft is like wow. This is this quite a t, ironic yeah. I 68 00:05:02.840 --> 00:05:07.660 know it feels very much almost instantly if you take the wide view 69 00:05:08.280 --> 00:05:13.500 very much like it's youtube all over again. It like. Are you an influencer? 70 00:05:13.580 --> 00:05:16.500 Well, you got to do it right now, you better get in quick, because you know 71 00:05:16.640 --> 00:05:19.260 three months from now, things are going to be different. Three years from now, 72 00:05:19.280 --> 00:05:22.200 things are going to be completely different, see at the rate that face is 73 00:05:22.240 --> 00:05:25.380 growing a hundred percent yeah yeah. I was thinking about that one. You know 74 00:05:25.660 --> 00:05:28.340 the kind of thoughts that come to your mind when you're in the shower it 75 00:05:28.420 --> 00:05:32.340 doesn't matter how good your art is. It really seems to matter how well you 76 00:05:32.420 --> 00:05:36.680 build community or a fan base, or you know followers whatever you want to 77 00:05:36.700 --> 00:05:41.340 call it, but I think that's really what impressed me about your project that 78 00:05:41.540 --> 00:05:45.900 you know not attracted me to the outcast first, let's talk a little bit 79 00:05:45.940 --> 00:05:49.480 about how that came into existence, because I think that is one of the keys 80 00:05:49.500 --> 00:05:54.220 to succeeding in the N ft space as an artist is to align yourself with 81 00:05:54.320 --> 00:05:58.080 communities in a really genuine way. So how did you come to start that? And did 82 00:05:58.120 --> 00:06:03.600 you come to ftes from art from TAC from? How did you get to that space to begin 83 00:06:03.640 --> 00:06:03.840 with 84 00:06:05.620 --> 00:06:09.080 all right? So this is, I guess, a long story and I love it. I love long 85 00:06:09.200 --> 00:06:14.880 stories I'll try to make it as concise but detailed as possible. So I'm 86 00:06:14.940 --> 00:06:19.360 actually a full time soffer engineer and I 87 00:06:20.920 --> 00:06:25.380 honestly do not get too much fulfillment from that job. So after 88 00:06:25.540 --> 00:06:30.800 work, I you know have so much free time. I hang out with friends work out 89 00:06:30.940 --> 00:06:35.520 whatever, but just the meaning in life was not there right. So I guess I 90 00:06:35.980 --> 00:06:41.240 started with crypt in Crypto, perhaps five years ago, when I first dabbed a 91 00:06:41.300 --> 00:06:47.180 little bit in Doge Coin Nice and I just went on and off you know, investing 92 00:06:47.200 --> 00:06:51.360 here and there a little bin Critturr ency owned little etherium, not too 93 00:06:51.380 --> 00:06:56.460 much bit coin, but it really. I my interest in nf and the web. Three space 94 00:06:56.520 --> 00:07:01.080 really took off about three four months ago, when I was just scrolling through 95 00:07:01.200 --> 00:07:05.640 social media, and I saw at FT- and I was like wait. What is this? You know 96 00:07:05.840 --> 00:07:12.080 yeah, so I looked into more into it. I joined a few communities and invested a 97 00:07:12.240 --> 00:07:17.400 couple grand and of tease I you know I really fell in love with a concept 98 00:07:17.460 --> 00:07:22.980 because I love art. I do customizing shoes in my free time, wow 99 00:07:24.140 --> 00:07:27.620 yeah, and it's just something that really attracted to me, and 100 00:07:28.860 --> 00:07:33.580 so this is industry. You know so new and I started learning all about it. I 101 00:07:34.000 --> 00:07:39.420 was like Yo I can. I can do this myself. I I have a passion for art. I 102 00:07:40.540 --> 00:07:43.280 have nothing else better to do with my free time, so might as well. Nothing 103 00:07:43.320 --> 00:07:43.800 real lose, 104 00:07:44.940 --> 00:07:50.300 so I actually never knew how to use like, I guess, a Dobe illustrator. As a 105 00:07:50.380 --> 00:07:55.040 software. I just looked up a quick one hour or youtube like how to use a O, 106 00:07:55.060 --> 00:08:00.880 caritat right and I started creating some art and the art I was going for. 107 00:08:01.000 --> 00:08:02.020 The vibe was very, 108 00:08:03.240 --> 00:08:04.140 you can think of it as a 109 00:08:05.540 --> 00:08:07.100 hung street 110 00:08:08.740 --> 00:08:14.100 skater vibe, and it when I saw my mom actually the arts. The first thing she 111 00:08:14.140 --> 00:08:17.280 said was wow. This is so dark and depressing. Like can you add some happy 112 00:08:17.320 --> 00:08:17.720 things to it? 113 00:08:20.020 --> 00:08:23.660 A job right. That's had job to remind the kids, 114 00:08:24.740 --> 00:08:29.720 you get a little dark, yeah yeah, and but the thing is: is that that's the 115 00:08:29.780 --> 00:08:33.620 vibe? I was going for right. Did you get the vibe that you were going for 116 00:08:33.860 --> 00:08:37.419 out of illustrator in that sort of time, because illustrators no joke, 117 00:08:37.460 --> 00:08:40.919 especially when it comes to editing, besiers and things like that? So were 118 00:08:40.960 --> 00:08:42.960 you able to kind of get the thing you were going for 119 00:08:44.440 --> 00:08:47.820 yeah I I definitely was. I was a expert. Definitely could have done better, but 120 00:08:47.900 --> 00:08:53.280 I got the general sense of it being sort of dark and a little. I guess 121 00:08:53.300 --> 00:08:57.120 depressing, but- and you know I mean I can share with you one of the images 122 00:08:57.200 --> 00:09:00.700 later on, and I don't know how you want to share that, but it that's sort of 123 00:09:00.720 --> 00:09:05.240 the images that I use to market to make myself in the project. So I, when I 124 00:09:05.320 --> 00:09:09.620 went on like this Court ft servers like open seas and NF official, I said: Hey 125 00:09:09.680 --> 00:09:12.780 guys. I have this project I'm working on. I need developer. I need a marketer 126 00:09:12.840 --> 00:09:18.720 Blah Blah Blah and I would show them the illustrator art and I always had 127 00:09:18.760 --> 00:09:24.120 the sense of the name of the project that I wanted to have and it actually 128 00:09:24.160 --> 00:09:28.480 started with outcast right, because I guess all my life. I've really felt 129 00:09:28.500 --> 00:09:32.720 like an outcast in this world. Just different and I've been told that I, I 130 00:09:32.760 --> 00:09:35.880 guess, I'm different in a sense right, yeah, either good or bad. 131 00:09:36.880 --> 00:09:41.140 I felt different and I think that's sort of what I really wanted to convey. 132 00:09:41.220 --> 00:09:45.660 My art was like Hey wit, were you know? All of us are different and all of us, 133 00:09:45.680 --> 00:09:49.860 my feel like outcast at some point in our lives. But art is such a powerful 134 00:09:49.920 --> 00:09:54.060 medium that allows people to connect with each other, and you know, share 135 00:09:54.180 --> 00:09:59.440 things that words and actions can't really describe, but through art you 136 00:09:59.460 --> 00:10:01.740 can really undestand how someone is feeling. So I 137 00:10:03.040 --> 00:10:06.940 really wanted to sort of get that feeling out to the world and that 138 00:10:07.020 --> 00:10:11.680 message that Ar is the greatest connector in human in human life. So it 139 00:10:12.560 --> 00:10:16.540 that's how it kind of started, and when I brought a nat on the team- and I also 140 00:10:16.600 --> 00:10:21.120 put someone else on the team- we really refined this idea actually yeah and it 141 00:10:21.140 --> 00:10:24.980 was only natural that it would actually go down the path of mental health 142 00:10:25.260 --> 00:10:31.020 because not like. I don't want to share her story for her sure you know had 143 00:10:31.740 --> 00:10:33.100 quite a rough childhood and 144 00:10:35.620 --> 00:10:40.420 other person on a team like I guess both that and him like they. They tried 145 00:10:40.440 --> 00:10:43.560 to attempt suicide when they were younger, and I mean these are all 146 00:10:43.640 --> 00:10:46.800 public information at this point. So I think it's okay to Shah Yeah Yeah and 147 00:10:47.220 --> 00:10:50.740 we can get their reply to and I'm in the same boat as them. Actually so, my 148 00:10:50.780 --> 00:10:54.660 listeners are very familiar with these kinds of stories so yeah it cheers for 149 00:10:54.700 --> 00:11:00.220 them for making it through for one yeah yeah yeah, so they came from back. I 150 00:11:00.280 --> 00:11:03.860 come on backgrounds that really shape who they are today yeah and, 151 00:11:04.900 --> 00:11:10.080 to be honest with you, I did not give a single flip of how mental health maybe 152 00:11:10.100 --> 00:11:15.560 seven years ago, and it was only until I entered university when I really 153 00:11:15.720 --> 00:11:21.560 struggled in life and I I started, I developed like eating disorder, 154 00:11:21.640 --> 00:11:22.880 Develope blimy 155 00:11:23.900 --> 00:11:30.120 that really messed with me, because I would binge on like so much food 156 00:11:30.180 --> 00:11:35.300 anything anything you want right. I had Bolima to. I was probably fifteen. 157 00:11:35.600 --> 00:11:38.920 Sixteen maybe make sixteen seventeen or so, and I had it for about two years. 158 00:11:39.000 --> 00:11:42.340 It is wild, isn't it because you can eat whatever you want, because you know 159 00:11:42.440 --> 00:11:44.200 secretly you're just going to go, throw it up 160 00:11:45.280 --> 00:11:48.880 yeah, exactly like you just put whatever in your body Yep, for you know 161 00:11:49.020 --> 00:11:53.040 like a night or to span of three hours and then what you tell yourself is hey 162 00:11:53.140 --> 00:11:56.560 like I'll just be better tomorrow or like next day like I'll make a right. 163 00:11:56.700 --> 00:12:00.300 You know yeah yeah, I didn't even care, I'm like that's fine, I'm alive and I 164 00:12:00.360 --> 00:12:03.820 do like a thousand sit ups. A day eat up just a bunch of junk food and throw 165 00:12:03.880 --> 00:12:07.880 it up and go to school, Oh and I would always throw up before we would go out 166 00:12:08.100 --> 00:12:11.800 partying because I'm like Oh, I get drunk faster on an empty stomach and I 167 00:12:11.880 --> 00:12:15.940 was sick in the head dude. Oh, my goodness, yeah like like you. Instead 168 00:12:15.980 --> 00:12:19.660 of I didn't, do a thousand setups, but I ran like six miles a day this. It is 169 00:12:20.060 --> 00:12:23.980 better yeah right and I would actually starve myself for maybe two or three 170 00:12:24.020 --> 00:12:28.800 days afterwards, just drinking water- and I just felt like that- was my 171 00:12:28.840 --> 00:12:32.300 cleansing. But you know, as you know, believe me: It's a the cycle. You just 172 00:12:32.320 --> 00:12:34.980 keep repeating it, no matter how much you hit yourself for it yeah and to 173 00:12:35.060 --> 00:12:38.820 those who are listening that might have it or experience this. I don't honestly 174 00:12:38.900 --> 00:12:42.560 know what I did to get out of it. I didn't have any special therapy or any 175 00:12:42.600 --> 00:12:45.920 training or I didn't. I don't know what came about, but eventually it just you 176 00:12:46.020 --> 00:12:50.660 grow past it you just mixed. I don't know, I guess that did you do? Did you 177 00:12:50.720 --> 00:12:55.520 do anything in specifically to get past the Bolima? I think sharing it with 178 00:12:55.540 --> 00:12:59.520 other people yeah being about it really helped. I think keeping a secret was 179 00:12:59.560 --> 00:13:03.620 something that you know: you're, somewhat ashamed of it and a lot yeah 180 00:13:04.420 --> 00:13:08.840 yeah when you actually are able to share with your friends and family and 181 00:13:08.860 --> 00:13:12.220 people care about you, there's some fort of of accountability and 182 00:13:12.260 --> 00:13:15.520 reassurance. That's going to be okay, yeah yeah was there the family I lived 183 00:13:15.560 --> 00:13:18.420 with. That was one of those kids that was kicked out of the House early and 184 00:13:19.020 --> 00:13:22.980 the family. I lived with. They just started getting mad at me in a loving 185 00:13:23.040 --> 00:13:26.720 way, but they're like dude, stop eating all the cinnamon toast if you're just 186 00:13:26.780 --> 00:13:30.520 going to go, throw it up again that kind of thing they were on my ass, I'm 187 00:13:30.560 --> 00:13:34.980 like Oh yeah, okay, they're on me, whatever, so it's funny yeah and I'm 188 00:13:35.040 --> 00:13:39.680 like okay, okay, fine but yeah. So I hope those suffering with eating 189 00:13:39.740 --> 00:13:44.980 disorders take this as authentically as possible. We're not trying to like 190 00:13:45.080 --> 00:13:48.000 trigger anybody, but you know you'll grow past it. It's okay, 191 00:13:49.360 --> 00:13:52.560 yeah yeah! It's definitely something hard to go through yeah, because you 192 00:13:52.580 --> 00:13:55.840 don't feel like that anymore. Do you, because I absolutely have no feeling to 193 00:13:55.960 --> 00:13:58.460 be thrown up my food at all. You know now, 194 00:13:59.720 --> 00:14:03.120 so actually I was pretty recent that I actually sort of got over it. Oh yeah, 195 00:14:03.260 --> 00:14:07.380 it was only less than a year ago, Oh gee, I yeah it is kind of fresh. How do 196 00:14:07.420 --> 00:14:11.940 you feel it's definitely a relief, I will say yeah, but I don't also want to 197 00:14:11.960 --> 00:14:15.760 give such like a happy positive vibe about it. It stays with me until today, 198 00:14:15.840 --> 00:14:19.240 like yeah yeah and the body image thing to right it just the body image. Oh 199 00:14:19.280 --> 00:14:24.220 Yeah, body image. You know you still get the urges sometimes to to eat a lot 200 00:14:24.280 --> 00:14:28.880 of food yeah for sure, and it's a habit that stage with you, because my way of 201 00:14:28.940 --> 00:14:33.000 distressing at work, sometimes it's eating now you know so it definitely 202 00:14:33.020 --> 00:14:36.340 sticks with you without your life, but it gets better yeah for sure. Well, 203 00:14:36.380 --> 00:14:39.960 thanks for sharing that part, I didn't mean to aggress so far, but that kind 204 00:14:39.980 --> 00:14:45.240 of really yeah highlights like why the urgency to help and like more 205 00:14:45.340 --> 00:14:49.020 understand the mental health aspects of all of that, oh yeah, it's something so 206 00:14:49.120 --> 00:14:52.660 stigmatized and people need to know about it yeah. Why did you think you 207 00:14:52.680 --> 00:14:56.620 felt like an outcast earlier in life? I think most of us that feel like outcast 208 00:14:56.660 --> 00:15:00.740 have felt like that since grade school, since as long as we can remember- and 209 00:15:00.920 --> 00:15:05.440 many of us that I talk to aren't really that weird looking or acting or 210 00:15:05.500 --> 00:15:05.920 anything 211 00:15:06.940 --> 00:15:10.280 outwardly, so it seems like we would fit in and I think that's part of the 212 00:15:10.380 --> 00:15:13.580 despairs. The lot of US seem like we would fit in just fine, but we don't 213 00:15:13.800 --> 00:15:18.000 feel that internally, how long have you felt like you've been outcast? 214 00:15:19.460 --> 00:15:22.380 Probably since elementary school yeah? I think 215 00:15:24.200 --> 00:15:28.760 I think I just really felt socially. I did not feel I like I fit in, and I 216 00:15:29.600 --> 00:15:30.660 would even I remember 217 00:15:31.680 --> 00:15:35.160 one like I can talk about this now like without feeling embarrass or a shame, 218 00:15:35.180 --> 00:15:39.540 because it's over yeah. I still remember one Esquino friend was like 219 00:15:39.560 --> 00:15:41.420 yeah dude, like you're weird 220 00:15:42.760 --> 00:15:47.380 I just like yeah you're like awkward to talk to, and that really stuck with me 221 00:15:47.440 --> 00:15:48.960 for so many years, because 222 00:15:50.020 --> 00:15:54.140 I sort of felt like okay. If that's how it is like he said, I'm Okward to talk 223 00:15:54.160 --> 00:15:57.680 to. He said I'm a weird guy like that's that must be true of it must be o. He 224 00:15:57.720 --> 00:16:03.040 knows me after all, yeah and it just so like when you hear comments like those 225 00:16:03.140 --> 00:16:07.240 and there's other things or yes, you know people also joke around in 226 00:16:07.320 --> 00:16:10.240 elementary school, like they call you nick names or whatever, and now you 227 00:16:10.280 --> 00:16:15.100 look back, it's so stupid to even think about and sort of cry about, but it 228 00:16:15.160 --> 00:16:18.620 does affect you at some point and yeah yeah. It's part of your coding, like I 229 00:16:18.680 --> 00:16:22.320 think I mean I don't mean to compare the human brain to a computer. That 230 00:16:22.360 --> 00:16:26.140 much I mean it's a kind of a cliche comparison, but really it's the best 231 00:16:26.180 --> 00:16:29.160 way to describe what happened to us, this kids, all those little weird 232 00:16:29.200 --> 00:16:32.420 things. People said they start to form patterns in our brain and that becomes 233 00:16:32.480 --> 00:16:37.180 our programming. So of someone close to you like a friend, a parent, a sibling 234 00:16:37.460 --> 00:16:42.020 says something kind of cutting and maybe sort of feels right. You just 235 00:16:42.140 --> 00:16:42.700 wear that, like a 236 00:16:43.740 --> 00:16:48.080 Cape, the rest of your life, sometimes it's really odd, Oh yeah, definitely 237 00:16:48.180 --> 00:16:51.100 your environment and what people the People Yust run yourself with and how 238 00:16:51.120 --> 00:16:55.100 they evie you like. That's how you be yourself yeah, it's tough to like de 239 00:16:55.140 --> 00:16:58.480 Program, one self when you're the computer too. You know when you are 240 00:16:58.540 --> 00:17:02.800 driving the machine, it's hard to like rewire it. It's really tough. So I'm 241 00:17:02.840 --> 00:17:06.099 glad because you seem pretty young, so I'm glad you've come to these 242 00:17:06.140 --> 00:17:10.480 realizations so early in life. So you got your whole life to kind of like not 243 00:17:10.540 --> 00:17:16.040 Polish, it up. Yeah Yeah! I think you know I I will be honest. I had a 244 00:17:16.079 --> 00:17:17.099 horrible time in college. 245 00:17:18.420 --> 00:17:22.740 I not not not just to give a bulimia, but also I was in her extremely toxic 246 00:17:22.780 --> 00:17:28.860 relationship, and I limited my social life. Because of that, and I look back 247 00:17:28.900 --> 00:17:32.900 and we people ask me like hey: Do you regret? You know your college choices? 248 00:17:33.040 --> 00:17:37.300 You regret going to Berkeley and doing all those things, and I'm like not 249 00:17:37.400 --> 00:17:42.100 really, because I learned so many things about myself. It's literally be 250 00:17:42.120 --> 00:17:45.520 taken as a learning experience, yeah, yeah and any like you won't live with 251 00:17:45.560 --> 00:17:48.280 regret. You know, because you take things as it is, and you do the best 252 00:17:48.340 --> 00:17:52.600 with it yeah very much and a lot of times. You would I mean, obviously, in 253 00:17:52.680 --> 00:17:57.700 my mind, you wouldn't be where you are now in your in your progression without 254 00:17:57.800 --> 00:18:03.180 having those hardships and overcome them. Yes, especially traumatic 255 00:18:03.240 --> 00:18:06.680 relationships like that with narcissist, or I mean that's kind of a generic term, 256 00:18:06.720 --> 00:18:10.600 but if you're in a relationship with somebody that is truly, has n P D, no, 257 00:18:10.740 --> 00:18:14.700 that's trouble it's hard to get out of those. Oh a hundred thousand percent 258 00:18:14.740 --> 00:18:18.500 yeah and honestly, I'm not going to. I don't know your situation specifically, 259 00:18:18.520 --> 00:18:22.160 but a lot of times things like Balim drug addiction and things like that. 260 00:18:22.220 --> 00:18:25.740 They actually come there. It's the pressure of being in a relationship 261 00:18:25.800 --> 00:18:29.560 with the narcissist, and then they tend to use that as ammunition to says I 262 00:18:29.700 --> 00:18:33.680 told you, you were the person, I said you were and it becomes just a total 263 00:18:33.740 --> 00:18:37.300 mind: Fuck, it's really bad, so congrats on getting out of that. How 264 00:18:37.320 --> 00:18:38.200 did you like Berkeley? 265 00:18:40.080 --> 00:18:44.280 Well, as I said, I didn't have the best experience there and I don't blame 266 00:18:44.340 --> 00:18:46.140 birthday for that. I don't blame the culture. I 267 00:18:47.200 --> 00:18:51.080 think I'm more suited for a smaller campus, a small as Pomali community 268 00:18:51.120 --> 00:18:57.220 yeah, but I, as I said, no regrets. I learned so much both educationally and 269 00:18:57.600 --> 00:19:01.660 personally about myself for sure it was a good experience. I would say and 270 00:19:01.760 --> 00:19:05.460 great credibility to the people that are like you know our parents they're, 271 00:19:05.480 --> 00:19:09.240 like Oh yeah, my son went to Berkeley so yeah. I grew up in the bay area, so 272 00:19:09.260 --> 00:19:13.640 I know the status of Berkeley and Stanford and places like that. So no 273 00:19:13.680 --> 00:19:17.580 way, where did you? Where are you from where you go up? I grew up in the Bay 274 00:19:17.900 --> 00:19:21.360 East Bay, like diable valley area, Walnut Creek Pleasant Hill, conquered 275 00:19:21.460 --> 00:19:25.460 mostly, as you are right next to Berkeley, Oh yeah, yeah, and then I 276 00:19:25.500 --> 00:19:28.360 lived in Berkeley as I grew up. I moved out of the suburbs into the city. I 277 00:19:28.440 --> 00:19:31.620 lived in Berkeley and Oakland, and San Francisco, and eventually down to 278 00:19:32.420 --> 00:19:39.360 downtown Los Angeles like exploring places, tell us about how outcast verse 279 00:19:39.440 --> 00:19:43.460 works in, like your kind of Road Mat for the future. A lot of my listeners 280 00:19:43.520 --> 00:19:48.000 probably don't, do discord, but just to update the listener. It's just an AP 281 00:19:48.140 --> 00:19:52.880 just go to this Cordam or download push the buttons and follow directions and 282 00:19:53.400 --> 00:19:56.980 look for a place called outcast first, and I will include a link directly to 283 00:19:57.020 --> 00:20:02.300 that invite on the show, not here butt anyway. So all the technical part aside. 284 00:20:02.760 --> 00:20:08.780 What goes on in outcast verse. So if I were to some up OL cast verse in a 285 00:20:08.860 --> 00:20:09.380 sentence, 286 00:20:10.460 --> 00:20:16.760 it would be an artist's talent, incubator, with a focus on mental 287 00:20:16.780 --> 00:20:17.100 health, 288 00:20:18.300 --> 00:20:20.700 and let me elaborate on that little more than sure so 289 00:20:21.920 --> 00:20:25.980 back to the fallacy. We were talking about earlier. Artists in this space 290 00:20:26.240 --> 00:20:31.540 are still undervalued under appreciated and, if you're, an emerging artists, 291 00:20:31.880 --> 00:20:35.440 how are you supposed to get your name out there in the NT world? Yeah right? 292 00:20:35.540 --> 00:20:40.620 There are, I don't even know on what scale, but the magnitude is crazy for 293 00:20:40.660 --> 00:20:45.080 the amount of art out there right now, and it is you know so. People don't 294 00:20:45.120 --> 00:20:48.600 even know about n still, so that's another whole sector of artist that he 295 00:20:48.800 --> 00:20:54.200 really want hope. But essentially what our cast first does is we're trying to 296 00:20:54.240 --> 00:21:00.080 built a platform for artists become recognized, and we do this by one 297 00:21:00.460 --> 00:21:05.000 purchasing. Some of the smaller artists arts work on secondary market places 298 00:21:05.060 --> 00:21:10.320 like open seas and we shot them out to promote their arts. We ask them for 299 00:21:10.340 --> 00:21:14.280 their story, because we really want to have a focus on artists who have gone 300 00:21:14.340 --> 00:21:17.740 through mental health disorders or currently going through them, and 301 00:21:18.460 --> 00:21:22.620 because this project has happened to health and half self expression in art. 302 00:21:23.000 --> 00:21:25.360 You know we ask them for their story and we 303 00:21:26.380 --> 00:21:30.340 promote that story, and we, you know, share it with the community and we pick 304 00:21:30.400 --> 00:21:33.040 usually an art piece that really talks about 305 00:21:34.180 --> 00:21:39.160 their story and resembles or story. So we give away their art to community 306 00:21:39.200 --> 00:21:44.380 members in like a form of a giveaway and that sort of one of the ways were 307 00:21:44.420 --> 00:21:46.180 helping smaller artists. We plan on 308 00:21:47.220 --> 00:21:49.280 partnering with Individuals Within 309 00:21:50.420 --> 00:21:54.840 The music space as well. The Arts Pace who have experience and who have gone 310 00:21:54.880 --> 00:21:58.980 through the troubles and the struggles of being a starting artist or starting 311 00:21:59.000 --> 00:22:02.720 a musician, and they have the connections. Now they sort of quotquot 312 00:22:02.820 --> 00:22:06.400 made it. So we really want to partner with them, so they can help out the 313 00:22:06.460 --> 00:22:10.720 artist same musicians and other kinds of selfish person, people in our 314 00:22:10.760 --> 00:22:15.860 community. So those are, I guess, a few ways that we really want to go about. 315 00:22:15.880 --> 00:22:20.280 Alcasto, and you know there is like such a deep and powerful connection 316 00:22:20.420 --> 00:22:24.380 between self expression and mental health. Those struggling with mental 317 00:22:24.420 --> 00:22:29.280 health often use self expression as an outlet right, a way to distress, heal 318 00:22:29.440 --> 00:22:34.420 or find sense of all being and meaning in life. So and there's a that balance 319 00:22:34.480 --> 00:22:37.340 right. It's the balance between the dark times and then desire to find 320 00:22:37.400 --> 00:22:38.840 beauty through self expression. So 321 00:22:39.840 --> 00:22:43.380 we really want to emulate that within alcestes 322 00:22:45.020 --> 00:22:48.100 the art we, as I said, the artist, we choose mental health, that that is 323 00:22:48.140 --> 00:22:52.540 something they really really value and they love to talk about, and we also 324 00:22:52.680 --> 00:22:55.720 want to bring in mental health experts in our community. 325 00:22:56.860 --> 00:23:01.800 Not She is super big on meditation. I think she just reached her one year, 326 00:23:01.820 --> 00:23:07.200 Meditation Mark Wow Nice every day meditating. So we want a partner with 327 00:23:07.260 --> 00:23:11.080 people like that who you know are in the meditation and is the space and 328 00:23:11.180 --> 00:23:14.740 they can come and give a talk on. Pat, you know host a couple of vedian 329 00:23:14.780 --> 00:23:18.640 sessions or bring other people who you know maybe have gone through things 330 00:23:18.660 --> 00:23:22.740 like bulimia or Adhd, or shelling with bipolar disorder, and you know, come 331 00:23:22.780 --> 00:23:25.260 and give a talk and reassert a committee about those type of things 332 00:23:25.340 --> 00:23:28.900 bringing experts to give therapy sessions. We have so many ideas right 333 00:23:28.940 --> 00:23:35.980 now, and you know we, I will say Pars a new project, and so many things are in 334 00:23:36.040 --> 00:23:39.960 flux and there are so many unknown factors, but yeah yeah. One thing that 335 00:23:40.040 --> 00:23:43.380 does stay constant is just the passion in our team, because every single 336 00:23:43.420 --> 00:23:47.340 person I hired on this team has a passion for mental health, has a 337 00:23:47.360 --> 00:23:50.880 passion to help other people and every actually every person on the team 338 00:23:50.900 --> 00:23:53.540 actually has gone through something in their lives. That 339 00:23:54.820 --> 00:24:00.280 motivates them to do what they do today in now, Caspo- and you know, if you 340 00:24:00.320 --> 00:24:02.900 ever- do get a chance to check out the server. If you good at the meet to 341 00:24:02.940 --> 00:24:05.600 might meet the team section, you can read about their stories because it is 342 00:24:05.620 --> 00:24:09.740 really truly inspiring. They're amazing yeah I've read through those and 343 00:24:09.840 --> 00:24:13.240 they're super impactful and that's speaking as somebody who has lived my 344 00:24:13.280 --> 00:24:18.320 own stories similar to theirs. But the fact the details of the stories are 345 00:24:18.440 --> 00:24:19.800 very telling and 346 00:24:20.980 --> 00:24:25.280 very respectfully shared, and it also I don't know, I think it will draw out 347 00:24:25.840 --> 00:24:30.060 others to do the same so and they're really brave for doing that and 348 00:24:30.220 --> 00:24:34.600 honestly anybody, that's claiming to be an artist in the N ft space. I cheer 349 00:24:34.640 --> 00:24:38.540 them for the audacity. You really have to have that audacity to like stake, 350 00:24:38.680 --> 00:24:42.460 claim and say yeah, I'm a fucking artist. I am an artist, but I've been a 351 00:24:42.560 --> 00:24:46.560 designer most of my life, which means that I just sit with somebody and 352 00:24:46.620 --> 00:24:50.160 listen to them, and then I design what they want and there's an agreement that 353 00:24:50.200 --> 00:24:55.860 I'm just going to get paid. My Labor well, it finally dawned on me that wait, 354 00:24:55.880 --> 00:25:00.480 I'm an artist. I can design things that I like and I get other people to buy 355 00:25:00.620 --> 00:25:06.480 them whatever I design. So I think that that audacity to jump that fence and 356 00:25:06.540 --> 00:25:09.560 say yeah, I'm an artist. I just design ship and nobody asks for and I'm going 357 00:25:09.600 --> 00:25:10.180 to go sell it. 358 00:25:11.320 --> 00:25:14.860 Oh yeah, that's so important to acknowledge that the other thing I'm 359 00:25:14.900 --> 00:25:18.840 starting to think the older I get is that many people with quote unquote 360 00:25:18.940 --> 00:25:23.840 mental disorders are simply misaligned with their calling in life a lot. I 361 00:25:24.000 --> 00:25:28.180 think if we start like a lot of times, doctors will focus on your sleep. How 362 00:25:28.280 --> 00:25:31.980 is your sleep? Are you getting good sleep cool and then they ask how's your 363 00:25:32.020 --> 00:25:36.560 diet drinking enough water getting to exercise man? I think the fourth 364 00:25:36.600 --> 00:25:41.800 question on that list doctor should ask, or are you a creative person? Are you 365 00:25:41.920 --> 00:25:45.840 stuck in a cubicle yeah? We need to get you out of that cubicle and back to 366 00:25:45.920 --> 00:25:50.000 being an artist, and I think so many people would like drop their disorders 367 00:25:50.040 --> 00:25:55.440 within weeks. If that happened, Oh yeah, I want to really talk about that too. 368 00:25:55.620 --> 00:26:00.180 Can I tell you one more thing about please yeah, so I think the artist as 369 00:26:00.200 --> 00:26:06.680 you know they are so underpaid and undervalued. It's ridiculous. You know, 370 00:26:06.820 --> 00:26:11.280 like I asked my artist like hey. If you were to charge someone for your 371 00:26:11.340 --> 00:26:15.680 services that you're giving me right now, how much would you charge and her 372 00:26:15.700 --> 00:26:19.260 response was like? Oh maybe, a hundred or two hundred a week, and I'm like 373 00:26:19.380 --> 00:26:25.820 excuse me: Yeah, you serious for the level of art, the quality of art and 374 00:26:25.940 --> 00:26:28.900 The Passion you put into your drawings you're only charging a hundred to two 375 00:26:28.940 --> 00:26:32.740 hundred- and she tells me yeah, like its industry standard, know like 376 00:26:32.920 --> 00:26:36.100 artists are overworked and they have high potations, but they just don't get 377 00:26:36.200 --> 00:26:40.460 paid that much, and that is something that we need to change and I think the 378 00:26:40.560 --> 00:26:44.180 NT space can really change that and it has changed that mentality of you know, 379 00:26:44.420 --> 00:26:48.640 artist being undervalued, Yo and that's something we really want to focus on in 380 00:26:48.720 --> 00:26:53.140 is our catfish community as well as we want to be able to recognize artists 381 00:26:53.220 --> 00:26:57.900 for who they are right, like for their talents and skills, and that's why we 382 00:26:57.920 --> 00:27:01.840 all want an a partner with people that can help them achieve that goal. We 383 00:27:01.900 --> 00:27:05.220 want a partner with you know, leading industry organizations that 384 00:27:06.240 --> 00:27:11.120 promote or like take on artists and to do work. So it's something that we 385 00:27:11.340 --> 00:27:16.320 believe in so much is. We need to help artists promote themselves and get 386 00:27:16.380 --> 00:27:21.480 their name out there and be valued for what they do. Yeah, like form a gang, a 387 00:27:21.820 --> 00:27:26.740 gang of people that just support each other in spaces out beyond the discord 388 00:27:26.780 --> 00:27:27.160 server. 389 00:27:29.200 --> 00:27:31.700 Oh yeah, I think that's really. He because it seems like a like. I said 390 00:27:31.780 --> 00:27:35.040 it's an incubator for new artists. I love the fact that people are sharing 391 00:27:35.140 --> 00:27:40.960 their stories along with their art, and that's also really cool that you are a 392 00:27:41.080 --> 00:27:47.180 kind of dog fooding sense that you're doing what you're preaching by buying 393 00:27:47.440 --> 00:27:51.720 upcoming artist, art from them and then doing give aways and promotional things, 394 00:27:51.760 --> 00:27:56.580 which is the most touching thing. When you do it, it's the most rewarding 395 00:27:56.620 --> 00:28:00.640 rewarding thing in life. When you tell an artist you're going to purchase a 396 00:28:00.820 --> 00:28:03.960 couple of their pieces of our like on open seas- and 397 00:28:05.140 --> 00:28:07.900 they tell you like this is the best thing that happened to me in my life, 398 00:28:08.100 --> 00:28:11.300 like someone is recognizing my art right, and I think that will snap 399 00:28:11.340 --> 00:28:13.740 people into their new existence really quick 400 00:28:14.780 --> 00:28:18.540 yeah. You know it's the feeling of being recognized and being valued, 401 00:28:19.940 --> 00:28:23.640 and it it's amazing. It's really yeahs. I could change lives that I mean the 402 00:28:23.700 --> 00:28:27.320 fact. If someone's selling something for point, zero, zero, something eth 403 00:28:28.180 --> 00:28:31.700 you can make their day by spending two hundred dollars well and two hundred 404 00:28:31.740 --> 00:28:35.580 dollars in gas this week. But you know what I'm saying you could literally 405 00:28:35.640 --> 00:28:38.760 make somebody's say that person may have might have made two hundred 406 00:28:38.800 --> 00:28:42.980 dollars all of last year, slepping around to arts and crafts fairs, trying 407 00:28:43.020 --> 00:28:46.460 to sell something and all of a sudden they're making two hundred dollar three 408 00:28:46.500 --> 00:28:49.120 hundred or whatever you know. Just even a few hundred dollars is more than some 409 00:28:49.180 --> 00:28:54.960 artist make in an entire year and to do that, one time that gives so inspiring 410 00:28:55.040 --> 00:28:58.820 to them and brings so much motivation to somebody that, oh I'm noticed I 411 00:28:58.980 --> 00:29:03.280 actually am worthy and God demand I'm an artist. Now I could sell things that 412 00:29:03.320 --> 00:29:08.380 I made out of my own mind. That's so incredible that your focus on that and, 413 00:29:08.540 --> 00:29:12.440 more importantly, I think it's really cool that you come from a programming 414 00:29:12.500 --> 00:29:16.860 background, because I noticed your specific server. The outcast first 415 00:29:16.980 --> 00:29:21.420 server is very organized and laid out and spelled out, and it seems to be 416 00:29:21.480 --> 00:29:27.000 very fair, very transparent, there's ways to kind of democratically move up. 417 00:29:27.040 --> 00:29:31.560 The system like a almost a game, ification thing going on there and he 418 00:29:31.660 --> 00:29:35.980 see those are all the things that a person coming from that was a sculpture, 419 00:29:36.320 --> 00:29:39.420 they're, not going to know how to do all that. So you are contribution to 420 00:29:39.500 --> 00:29:44.360 the art community by bringing the tech advantage. I think is huge, so I just 421 00:29:44.380 --> 00:29:47.640 wanted to shout out to you and everybody: That's a developer, that's 422 00:29:47.700 --> 00:29:51.380 coming on and interacting with artists that don't have those skills because it 423 00:29:51.500 --> 00:29:55.160 would not have been. You know, John. I can't take any of the credit like my 424 00:29:55.200 --> 00:29:59.240 team has been working so hard and we all been working hard, I'm just so it 425 00:29:59.300 --> 00:30:04.220 like. So I ralyea yeah, you guys, are doing a great job and to outreach and 426 00:30:04.240 --> 00:30:06.260 all that stuff, because it's really weird you don't really know 427 00:30:07.920 --> 00:30:11.680 you know on the social media. It's mostly in this space, it's text and 428 00:30:11.740 --> 00:30:16.000 images. So once you hear a voice or see a video or something like that, it 429 00:30:16.020 --> 00:30:19.600 takes it to the next level and the kinds of interactions you're having in 430 00:30:19.620 --> 00:30:23.700 the mental health space like boldly going and having those conversations 431 00:30:23.760 --> 00:30:28.300 that other people will simply shy away from that's courageous man. That's 432 00:30:28.360 --> 00:30:29.380 really moving the mark, 433 00:30:30.400 --> 00:30:33.720 yeah! It's! As I said, it's something that we're very passionate about. We 434 00:30:33.760 --> 00:30:34.680 really want to 435 00:30:35.940 --> 00:30:40.780 make mental health less stigmatized, and you know the it's just 436 00:30:42.440 --> 00:30:45.720 is one of those things right now in the world where people just don't talk 437 00:30:45.800 --> 00:30:49.820 about it, because they're ashamed and yeah. When you go through something 438 00:30:49.940 --> 00:30:54.320 like you know, Belime, then you realize there is nothing to be ashamed about, 439 00:30:54.740 --> 00:30:59.060 but in the moment you are so ashamed. So it is a matter of knowing and 440 00:30:59.280 --> 00:31:02.660 letting people tell you that and reach out to you yeah a lot of times when you 441 00:31:02.740 --> 00:31:06.500 catch a mental illness or disorder or what not you tend to think it's just 442 00:31:06.800 --> 00:31:11.100 you, it's you and then, if we talk about it more, you start to realize. Oh, 443 00:31:11.240 --> 00:31:15.240 it's a disease. I caught something like not to simplify it, but like catching 444 00:31:15.260 --> 00:31:19.040 the cold, but I mean you whatever happened in your mind. You caught that 445 00:31:19.080 --> 00:31:24.060 and now you can unwind it once people start talking about it more and you're 446 00:31:24.100 --> 00:31:28.660 right. The stigmatization is horrific. Most people won't even say the word, a 447 00:31:28.780 --> 00:31:34.000 mental. In fact, I've seen on social medium many times where people confuse 448 00:31:34.120 --> 00:31:38.900 mental illness with mental health by posting things like saying. Oh, my 449 00:31:39.020 --> 00:31:41.340 cousin, that poor guy, he is mental health. 450 00:31:42.620 --> 00:31:46.920 Like wait, that's the good party that he wants mental health, but you see 451 00:31:46.960 --> 00:31:51.040 that I mean the the fine tuning there is that people just use the word mental 452 00:31:51.160 --> 00:31:55.600 and once you bring that word up at all you've stained the conversation and 453 00:31:55.700 --> 00:31:59.840 people like step back and move mental, which also makes it really hard to 454 00:31:59.900 --> 00:32:03.560 share things that are like podcast or anything like that. This particular 455 00:32:03.600 --> 00:32:07.840 podcast used to sorry used to be called by polar style, which I thought was a 456 00:32:07.860 --> 00:32:12.460 cool name, because I was all about diminishing stigma of bipolar disorder, 457 00:32:12.900 --> 00:32:17.080 but you know how many people share a podcast called by polar style or shout 458 00:32:17.120 --> 00:32:22.240 you out on the fucking social media, not too many, because you know for 459 00:32:22.360 --> 00:32:26.620 obvious reasons so yeah. Eventually, I had to figure out a different name: o 460 00:32:26.660 --> 00:32:30.780 Yeah, that's that's it man, you always got to get out there and keep and the 461 00:32:31.080 --> 00:32:36.300 the irony is that if you're the one out there going, I'm not crazy crazy people 462 00:32:36.360 --> 00:32:42.560 aren't crazy. Then you peer to be crazy, but it's a subtle art of getting people 463 00:32:42.600 --> 00:32:43.280 to understand 464 00:32:44.520 --> 00:32:48.960 mental health. Oh Yeah, Oh yeah, and going back to what you were saying 465 00:32:49.080 --> 00:32:51.280 earlier when I was like coming diverge but 466 00:32:52.300 --> 00:32:57.360 yeah like when someone is not happy with the job right or when you're like 467 00:32:57.420 --> 00:33:02.420 in a cubicle eight hours a day at your desk and you're, not that of a person 468 00:33:02.440 --> 00:33:05.520 like you're, a person that needs to use their creativity, let the fled a flow, 469 00:33:05.640 --> 00:33:09.240 get their motions out like Yep. How are you sometimes we don't even know that 470 00:33:09.260 --> 00:33:11.740 that's the right way to go like how are you supposed to know that Kephale job 471 00:33:11.780 --> 00:33:16.980 is not for you right and part of Aucas vers to is we really want to give 472 00:33:17.000 --> 00:33:20.560 people the opportunity to you know: Dab a little bit in art to Dab into their 473 00:33:20.580 --> 00:33:24.100 creative senses, you'll notice that a lot of people in our server actually 474 00:33:24.140 --> 00:33:29.240 are not artists themselves, but we are trying to encourage people to take on a 475 00:33:29.260 --> 00:33:33.520 little bit of projects here and there or you know, draw some stickers or 476 00:33:33.780 --> 00:33:37.400 moges and sit them some of them to the contest like just just get just get 477 00:33:37.420 --> 00:33:40.860 their juices flowing. Yeah yeah, try yeah you. Nobody knows you're an artist 478 00:33:40.920 --> 00:33:45.080 until you at least try and then again. You know many artists create art for 479 00:33:45.120 --> 00:33:47.960 years and don't consider themselves artists because they haven't made that 480 00:33:48.140 --> 00:33:53.100 that mental switch. They haven't become so audacious to say, Yep, I'm an artist, 481 00:33:53.600 --> 00:33:56.640 so that's great that you're encouraging people to just pick up pick up a 482 00:33:56.720 --> 00:34:01.340 stylist or try illustrator one of the other programs for drawing, because 483 00:34:01.400 --> 00:34:04.120 that's a that's how we did it that we just you, got to start somewhere and 484 00:34:04.160 --> 00:34:07.700 you might as well. If you think, if, basically, I'm like a detective, if 485 00:34:07.760 --> 00:34:11.960 you've already determined that your job sucks for you and you hate it will 486 00:34:12.000 --> 00:34:14.920 cross it off the list. Don't do that anymore. Try something else, and if 487 00:34:14.940 --> 00:34:20.500 you're standing at the door of a creative art project step on in try 488 00:34:20.580 --> 00:34:23.920 something out, it's not going to hurt you and it might change your whole life 489 00:34:24.060 --> 00:34:27.620 and there's plenty of life in front of all of us. Yeah and think about like 490 00:34:27.639 --> 00:34:31.300 art and self expression is. It is a healing mechanism, yea a hundred 491 00:34:31.340 --> 00:34:35.600 percent yeah and some people don't recognize that and it's not until they 492 00:34:35.780 --> 00:34:42.400 start doing art. Do they realize like wow, like I'm happier today like wow, I 493 00:34:42.460 --> 00:34:47.840 feel clear similar. You know it's just cleansing yeah, it's so great and a lot 494 00:34:47.900 --> 00:34:50.840 of people. We were talking about brain programming and things like that. As 495 00:34:51.260 --> 00:34:55.940 children, a lot of people were told. I don't or told no good or whatever, but 496 00:34:55.960 --> 00:34:59.760 they come up with this idea that I'm not creative or I'm bad at math or I 497 00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:04.520 suck at this or that you know you don't actually just go, try it. You were just 498 00:35:04.580 --> 00:35:08.740 told that and then you you know you adopted that as your way. But that is 499 00:35:08.860 --> 00:35:12.280 not the way you can be as created, especially creativity. You might not be 500 00:35:12.320 --> 00:35:15.160 good at math, it might take you a minute to become a developer or a 501 00:35:15.280 --> 00:35:21.060 doctor or scientist, but art come on people. You just just try just draw a 502 00:35:21.140 --> 00:35:23.080 line like one of my favorite 503 00:35:24.560 --> 00:35:28.300 kind of impression. Our abstract artist was Rothko, the German guy who just 504 00:35:28.360 --> 00:35:32.760 painted color just blocks of color because as a child I would go to the 505 00:35:32.920 --> 00:35:36.400 modern museums, and I look at that and just think that's stupid. Anybody could 506 00:35:36.420 --> 00:35:36.720 do that 507 00:35:37.900 --> 00:35:40.900 so now, as an adult I'm trying to emulate that I'm like man, this is 508 00:35:41.100 --> 00:35:43.400 fucking hard like to get it to look right, 509 00:35:44.820 --> 00:35:49.060 so yeah, I'm always trying to so impressions of Rothko. On My easel over 510 00:35:49.100 --> 00:35:53.920 here. Oh my goodness, yeah my dad would always joke about that. We go to me art 511 00:35:53.960 --> 00:35:57.220 museums. He said you know. I could just splatter some pain on that on that 512 00:35:57.260 --> 00:36:01.780 canvas and boom. I'm the next artist straight up straight up, and I kind of 513 00:36:01.800 --> 00:36:07.560 feel that way in ironic way about nf and like anybody could have drawn a 514 00:36:07.600 --> 00:36:12.180 crypto punk, look at it. It's just a bunch of pixels, and so the same thing 515 00:36:12.240 --> 00:36:15.440 is like well, they were audacious enough to fucking, claim that that's 516 00:36:15.540 --> 00:36:19.340 art and they found the right community. So I'm like! Oh that's, that's it. It's 517 00:36:19.380 --> 00:36:22.480 kind of like being an artist and a lot of artists. Don't like to hear this, 518 00:36:22.500 --> 00:36:26.500 but it's like being in a band. If you don't self promote and become that 519 00:36:26.540 --> 00:36:30.800 person, many people feel is kind of icky nobody's going to hear of you. So 520 00:36:30.820 --> 00:36:36.020 the next best step is really joining a collective like outcast, first, where 521 00:36:36.120 --> 00:36:39.400 there other people that don't really feel a hundred percent on self 522 00:36:39.440 --> 00:36:44.240 promotion feels kind of nasty to them, but they all love collaborating. So I 523 00:36:45.080 --> 00:36:48.540 think it's great because then, once you meet people in a in a server like that, 524 00:36:49.020 --> 00:36:52.720 you go out on twitter and then you help promote them, retweet them like them 525 00:36:53.180 --> 00:36:55.980 heart and their comments, and all that kind of stuff, and I think it really 526 00:36:56.020 --> 00:37:01.840 helps it builds foundation and kind of a support mechanism for them. Yeah Yeah 527 00:37:01.980 --> 00:37:05.540 and you keep mentioning community- and I agree with you so much like. As you 528 00:37:05.580 --> 00:37:09.320 know, cryptopsy did not sell out. They literally gave away free Entes, and 529 00:37:09.400 --> 00:37:12.700 it's only through the communities staying strong and believing in the 530 00:37:12.720 --> 00:37:16.080 concept and like yeah like we can do this. Do it rise the value that is 531 00:37:16.160 --> 00:37:20.140 today? You know millions and millions of dollars. So right it is so it's all 532 00:37:20.180 --> 00:37:23.160 about the community and I think something that we really prie ourselves 533 00:37:23.200 --> 00:37:27.320 an outcast versus. We, I think, we're different. In a sense, we really treat 534 00:37:27.360 --> 00:37:30.880 each community member as an individual right like you're, not just a number in 535 00:37:30.960 --> 00:37:35.320 our discord server right. We want to take the time to get to know you and we 536 00:37:35.440 --> 00:37:38.860 want to know what you're going through so in the community were developing 537 00:37:38.920 --> 00:37:41.960 here. It's something that the empty space does not have. Currently, 538 00:37:43.540 --> 00:37:46.840 there are other mental heat projects out there, but I've joined their 539 00:37:46.880 --> 00:37:51.060 servers and they don't have they just don't have to focus on individuals like 540 00:37:51.440 --> 00:37:54.960 they bring in speakers, and there I mean they bring great speakers, don't 541 00:37:54.980 --> 00:37:58.860 get me wrong sure and they provide great services. But I think it's still 542 00:37:58.920 --> 00:38:02.820 missing that personal element that communities need and 543 00:38:04.060 --> 00:38:06.860 we really try to push for that in a castors, because that's what makes it 544 00:38:06.880 --> 00:38:10.960 breaks a project and it's the people, it's a community right, yeah and naming 545 00:38:11.080 --> 00:38:15.240 that too. I think acknowledging that everybody feels like an outcast at some 546 00:38:15.300 --> 00:38:21.160 point is important because a lot of mental health organizations, despite 547 00:38:21.660 --> 00:38:25.600 all their best efforts, still feel like a top down effort. It feels like 548 00:38:25.620 --> 00:38:28.720 they're just telling you how to feel and here's this great expert that knows 549 00:38:28.760 --> 00:38:33.660 everything it's never about how about you? How do you feel tell us your story? 550 00:38:34.240 --> 00:38:37.720 Some of the best mental health self help groups have been to like there's 551 00:38:37.760 --> 00:38:43.240 one called the D B, s a depression by polar support alliance and they have 552 00:38:43.320 --> 00:38:46.920 self helped groups all across America and you can go there and you sit in a 553 00:38:46.980 --> 00:38:50.100 circle and people share across the circle. There's no tables, there's no 554 00:38:50.180 --> 00:38:54.320 speakers, it's just people that feel like they need to be in a meeting about 555 00:38:54.380 --> 00:38:59.240 mental health. At that moment, so yeah it is about the people and ask when you 556 00:38:59.260 --> 00:39:04.500 see any artist accepting awards on TV, they don't think themselves or their 557 00:39:04.560 --> 00:39:09.560 band. They think the fans, it's the support of your your community for lack 558 00:39:09.600 --> 00:39:12.280 of a better word. I used to be a community organizer. So that's just the 559 00:39:12.300 --> 00:39:13.840 buzz word I have stuck in my head, but 560 00:39:15.060 --> 00:39:19.160 yeah, it's the community or your fan base, or your voters or whatever you 561 00:39:19.180 --> 00:39:23.200 doing, that those are the people that you really get a work on to. Actually 562 00:39:23.380 --> 00:39:26.480 keep as a community, because communication is a constant thing. You 563 00:39:26.500 --> 00:39:31.020 can't just put up a blurb or a fly or make a statement and then disappear for 564 00:39:31.040 --> 00:39:35.860 four or five days yeah. I think artists know that the best right artists know 565 00:39:35.900 --> 00:39:39.580 the struggle of building the their name and their brand, and it's only when 566 00:39:39.960 --> 00:39:43.540 people start noticing them and going on a journey with them from you know, 567 00:39:43.620 --> 00:39:47.740 releasing their first ep to you know having albums and albums out there, and 568 00:39:48.260 --> 00:39:51.880 it's only through a struggle to people like really realize how much community 569 00:39:51.940 --> 00:39:57.480 means and how much a strong supporter group and like how much you provide 570 00:39:57.520 --> 00:40:00.960 them to it right. Here's like a symbiotic relationship right yeah. 571 00:40:01.120 --> 00:40:05.940 Definitely it community is everything in the eity space. I think some 572 00:40:05.960 --> 00:40:06.320 projects 573 00:40:07.560 --> 00:40:11.640 don't understand that, and it's really sad to see, because you know as good as 574 00:40:11.660 --> 00:40:15.560 your art can be. If you don't establish the right community, then it will not. 575 00:40:15.580 --> 00:40:19.000 Your project will not do well yeah. I agreed, I think some great art is being 576 00:40:19.080 --> 00:40:21.420 wasted currently on bad communities. 577 00:40:23.400 --> 00:40:26.300 We yeah and because I see some great art and I see the community and there's 578 00:40:26.320 --> 00:40:27.720 not really a community there 579 00:40:29.120 --> 00:40:31.920 yeah and it's interesting because that's something that's totally new in 580 00:40:31.960 --> 00:40:36.700 this world in this in this era right, it's like a online community. Like 581 00:40:36.820 --> 00:40:40.340 that's unheard of I mean we sure we've had similar things back, then you know 582 00:40:40.400 --> 00:40:44.320 and social media platforms and whatever, but nothing. I would say at this scale 583 00:40:44.540 --> 00:40:49.120 right no intensity either right. It's really intense, too yeah. Nothing at 584 00:40:49.160 --> 00:40:53.360 this like yeah, no, nothing, this community driven and that we've seen so 585 00:40:53.400 --> 00:40:59.120 far and it's such a focal point in Anice and everything is run by the 586 00:40:59.160 --> 00:41:03.100 community created by the community and as since it is so 587 00:41:05.220 --> 00:41:05.340 it 588 00:41:06.360 --> 00:41:11.460 you know, it is so decentralized. It's a paste point where, if you don't have 589 00:41:11.520 --> 00:41:14.840 community, then this space is nothing you're right, yeah it vaporizes quickly. 590 00:41:15.920 --> 00:41:19.400 It needs a structure more than leaders. I guess is a good way to put it and 591 00:41:19.440 --> 00:41:22.320 that's why I appreciate outcast first because you've, given it quite a bit of 592 00:41:22.360 --> 00:41:22.780 structure. 593 00:41:23.940 --> 00:41:27.220 I appreciate it. Sometimes I think, there's too many channels and I can get 594 00:41:27.260 --> 00:41:32.720 kind of confusing yeah yeah, but I mean there's not a two too many there's just 595 00:41:32.740 --> 00:41:36.960 as many as you as you think. There need to be- and I think that's fair, so 596 00:41:37.940 --> 00:41:40.680 cheers to that for sure appreciate it appreciate it. 597 00:41:42.000 --> 00:41:45.940 How should somebody that is just listening to a podcast like this? 598 00:41:46.140 --> 00:41:50.720 That's into you know mental health podcast. I guess, but also has a 599 00:41:50.780 --> 00:41:52.020 creative bug that they want to 600 00:41:53.020 --> 00:41:57.080 challenge and wants to get involved through the outcast versus o. They just 601 00:41:57.220 --> 00:42:02.420 jump in the server, listen and read for a couple days and then talk and share 602 00:42:02.520 --> 00:42:06.720 their stories. Or how do you suggest the new person come along, so we're 603 00:42:06.860 --> 00:42:11.940 very open to accepting anyone into the artists into this, like the list of 604 00:42:12.040 --> 00:42:15.020 artist that we want to support? And you know if you're like, if you're an 605 00:42:15.100 --> 00:42:19.040 artist of any kind you know could be someone who draws or paints or even the 606 00:42:19.100 --> 00:42:22.940 musician or dancer singer like we want to help promote your work. We want to 607 00:42:22.960 --> 00:42:25.420 help support you, so you can just join our server 608 00:42:26.580 --> 00:42:32.160 contact, a moderator or contact me, Conrad or not, say like Hey, I'm an 609 00:42:32.240 --> 00:42:36.320 inspiring so and so artists like what it be possible to do like some 610 00:42:36.360 --> 00:42:40.900 collaboration with you guys or get some support right, and we would be 611 00:42:40.940 --> 00:42:45.520 delighted like literally so happy like every time someone reaches out to us to 612 00:42:45.620 --> 00:42:51.760 asking to for support like we do not hesitate, because we love to help 613 00:42:51.800 --> 00:42:55.520 people, and I hear that a that in your voice. I hear the happiness in your 614 00:42:55.580 --> 00:42:59.840 voice. That's Fantacy, yeah and you know if- and everyone goes through shit 615 00:42:59.880 --> 00:43:03.540 in their life and even if you don't have a mental disorder or have gone 616 00:43:03.560 --> 00:43:06.720 through. My ettor, like you, have gone through shit in your life and we would 617 00:43:06.780 --> 00:43:11.360 love to share that story, no matter what it is. So we want to get to know 618 00:43:11.380 --> 00:43:15.700 you as a person. Definitely you know chat into this cord server and the 619 00:43:15.760 --> 00:43:17.800 channels get to know the community, 620 00:43:19.100 --> 00:43:24.520 because you know ft space, it's really as Cliche as it sounds. It's you get 621 00:43:24.680 --> 00:43:28.600 you get what you put in, and you know you could definitely promote your your 622 00:43:28.640 --> 00:43:32.800 work and if that's your goal perfect like we are so happy to do that. But if 623 00:43:32.820 --> 00:43:35.880 you really really want to integrate yourself in a community, that's so 624 00:43:35.900 --> 00:43:39.880 supportive, like we definitely recommend just getting him now the 625 00:43:39.920 --> 00:43:41.800 people yeah- and it's almost like I 626 00:43:43.240 --> 00:43:46.920 for sure it's like the art- becomes a by product of the community. Instead of 627 00:43:46.940 --> 00:43:51.080 the whole driving force, oh yeah, yeah, and when you get to know the people 628 00:43:51.160 --> 00:43:55.440 like they get to know your story, and I think that's important for a lot of 629 00:43:55.500 --> 00:43:58.980 people might not understand the importance of the long term value of 630 00:43:59.000 --> 00:44:03.380 your art projects, and I think, when you build community, it helps that a 631 00:44:03.400 --> 00:44:06.520 lot because then you know if that artist is going to be around in five 632 00:44:06.600 --> 00:44:10.620 years or ten years. Will this person still be creating art even one year 633 00:44:10.680 --> 00:44:15.680 from now, or did they just generate ten thousand images on five because they're 634 00:44:15.720 --> 00:44:19.080 trying to make a bunch of money? So I think, building community kind of 635 00:44:19.400 --> 00:44:22.600 naturally filters out the former from the latter 636 00:44:23.960 --> 00:44:28.260 yeah yeah. That's the that's the intention right, but it's never perfect, 637 00:44:29.120 --> 00:44:32.720 but that S it. That is definitely the intention. Yeah there's everyone has 638 00:44:32.760 --> 00:44:37.100 their own story and again like in outcast. First, we just want to give 639 00:44:37.160 --> 00:44:41.440 people a chance to share that story. That is off like share. That story, use 640 00:44:41.560 --> 00:44:45.660 art to share it as well and if you're, an artist like this is a place for you 641 00:44:45.700 --> 00:44:50.160 to yeah. That's awesome man. I, like I'm, really, I feel very fortunate to 642 00:44:50.260 --> 00:44:53.380 have come across you all again shout out to that for doing the great work on 643 00:44:53.500 --> 00:45:00.840 social media. Are you guys gals? Are you folks on twitter or facebook? God 644 00:45:00.960 --> 00:45:04.380 Forbid? What like, where are you in social media? Besides the discord, do 645 00:45:04.400 --> 00:45:07.460 you have like a way out, obviously you're on discord, but what else yeah 646 00:45:07.620 --> 00:45:12.340 yeah? So we actually have so many cool things in mind in terms of how we want 647 00:45:12.380 --> 00:45:15.860 to go about caspers, we literally have every single social man platform. We 648 00:45:15.960 --> 00:45:19.980 have got too many, maybe but discord. Twitter, facebook Youtube spotify 649 00:45:20.300 --> 00:45:24.680 twitch, like literally everything, awesome, and that's because we have a 650 00:45:24.720 --> 00:45:30.880 lot of plans for the future yeah, for example. spotify we are. Are we want to 651 00:45:30.900 --> 00:45:34.320 reach out to artists that want to get their songs out there and they work out 652 00:45:34.360 --> 00:45:38.240 there so we're adding their songs to a like curated playlist, like the Aucas 653 00:45:38.260 --> 00:45:41.300 first playlist. It's awesome how that we'll have that running twenty or seven 654 00:45:41.360 --> 00:45:46.160 in our server and like maybe for for twitch we're planning on setting up 655 00:45:46.200 --> 00:45:49.940 life streams for people to show off their talents right, like maybe maybe 656 00:45:50.060 --> 00:45:54.220 you're a DJ or yes, sir, that I did straight up, save those put those up as 657 00:45:54.340 --> 00:45:59.320 nf t's too yeah exactly, and you can form like life stages and maybe you're 658 00:45:59.340 --> 00:46:02.940 a painter like do some Bob Ross type of stuff and do that in Faro, Lice Stream. 659 00:46:02.980 --> 00:46:06.640 You know and or like even for youtube videos like, I think one of the coolest 660 00:46:06.680 --> 00:46:10.260 things is to watch and artists. Do their arts just do their work, yeah 661 00:46:10.300 --> 00:46:16.020 yeah, when they can record maybe their their work process and put a time laps 662 00:46:16.060 --> 00:46:18.840 on it. Like ten times feet, it there's some music in the background like just 663 00:46:18.980 --> 00:46:22.660 upload that as Youtube video and I'm sure Peopil love watching that rightly, 664 00:46:22.700 --> 00:46:27.680 and that becomes again another piece of NF ability, art that will just sit in 665 00:46:27.740 --> 00:46:29.140 the time capsule for ever more 666 00:46:30.380 --> 00:46:33.380 yeah yeah. I love all this. This is so fun dude. 667 00:46:34.400 --> 00:46:38.240 It is like I'm honestly so privilege to even be talking about this and working 668 00:46:38.280 --> 00:46:42.660 on projects like these. Like I'm, it's such it's so rewarding and like every 669 00:46:42.700 --> 00:46:49.120 day you know I I wake up expecting the unexpected, because nts is the mental 670 00:46:49.160 --> 00:46:53.120 health space and like what all cases is doing. It really really makes me happy 671 00:46:53.180 --> 00:46:57.000 and excites me every day. Yeah isn't that weird. So I came on maybe a couple 672 00:46:57.100 --> 00:47:01.440 months after you, so it sounds so this podcast is going up October, LADOC end 673 00:47:01.480 --> 00:47:04.700 of October, two thousand and twenty one, if you listening to it any other time 674 00:47:04.800 --> 00:47:08.800 and Conrad, and I have only been in the space since roughly summer of two 675 00:47:08.820 --> 00:47:09.900 thousand and twenty one and 676 00:47:10.960 --> 00:47:13.760 now we're at this point where we're crossing PAS and planning the future. 677 00:47:13.800 --> 00:47:18.020 So I think that's all I don't know almost mind blowing. You know what I 678 00:47:18.060 --> 00:47:22.320 mean yeah, it's my bling. That's only been like three months or four months 679 00:47:22.760 --> 00:47:27.360 yeah, so I just just keep at it. People if you want to be an artist, look for 680 00:47:27.380 --> 00:47:31.500 the outcast verse on your favorite social media or jump right into the 681 00:47:31.520 --> 00:47:35.240 discord server, if you're so inclined and don't be afraid of discord if 682 00:47:35.260 --> 00:47:38.700 you've never used it before. If you think any of this sounds somewhat 683 00:47:38.780 --> 00:47:43.220 appealing, you're going to need to know how to use this cord, so you know dive 684 00:47:43.260 --> 00:47:47.900 in everyone's friendly. Once you get past the the set up and search for 685 00:47:47.960 --> 00:47:50.900 outcast, first pretty easy to find, like I said I'll put the link up here 686 00:47:51.200 --> 00:47:52.120 in the show notes. 687 00:47:53.540 --> 00:47:55.880 Now I think this is going to be a blast like I said, I've been an artist for a 688 00:47:55.940 --> 00:47:59.340 long time and I'm just going to keep making our and now just my whole idea. 689 00:47:59.400 --> 00:48:03.640 I wanted to make remember the yellow happy face that just says: Have a nice 690 00:48:03.700 --> 00:48:06.320 day like on grocery bags and stuff yeah yeah. 691 00:48:07.360 --> 00:48:10.520 That was that's my idea. I like I need we need a symbol like that that will 692 00:48:10.560 --> 00:48:14.780 last for eternity for balance mental health. That's why I'm like? Oh yeah, 693 00:48:14.840 --> 00:48:19.920 I'll, just use the podcast logo. I made you know five years ago, so I actually 694 00:48:19.960 --> 00:48:23.980 noticed your I'm not sure if this is a logo that you use everywhere or just 695 00:48:24.120 --> 00:48:27.060 may be discord and some other social media platforms. But you have a union 696 00:48:27.120 --> 00:48:31.560 game a yeah everywhere I got a project built on that on open seas, called Emo 697 00:48:31.600 --> 00:48:36.020 Dojo and that's based on the name of this podcast. So I started thinking 698 00:48:36.040 --> 00:48:40.060 yeah because I'm a really minimalist artist to begin with and like the 699 00:48:40.120 --> 00:48:44.900 Christians, have the cross and Jewish have the start of David and I'm like 700 00:48:45.000 --> 00:48:48.780 what are the mentally ill people have, and you know I've always had a 701 00:48:48.820 --> 00:48:54.280 fascination with Japanese culture and Asian Culture in general. So I love the 702 00:48:54.320 --> 00:48:57.760 Ginan, have tattoos of it all over my body. So when I made the podcast about 703 00:48:57.840 --> 00:48:58.600 five years ago, I 704 00:49:00.000 --> 00:49:04.080 needed something for bipolar. So I'm like oh the UNEYE, the balance, but I'm 705 00:49:04.160 --> 00:49:07.800 like it needs to be happy and it needs to be a face. So I just turned it on 706 00:49:07.980 --> 00:49:11.240 side. Took me about twenty minutes to get the smile, the mouth, the right, 707 00:49:11.540 --> 00:49:16.320 shape and measurement and like yeah, that's it and in the way I had always 708 00:49:16.400 --> 00:49:20.000 displayed it before was the darkness was always hovering on top so and the 709 00:49:20.060 --> 00:49:24.760 logo the dark, is always on the top. The smile is always coming through, 710 00:49:25.780 --> 00:49:30.600 so I protected that for five years, but now within F ts and like okay, I'm 711 00:49:30.640 --> 00:49:33.260 going to have to break it apart and make all kinds of different art pieces 712 00:49:33.340 --> 00:49:37.200 off this one thing. But now the core idea was just to have a icon that 713 00:49:37.280 --> 00:49:41.180 people can wear because word I wear it on my t, shirt and public people say: 714 00:49:41.280 --> 00:49:45.200 Hey, that's a cool shirt. What's it mean? And then I start talking about Oh 715 00:49:45.320 --> 00:49:48.440 yeah, I got bipolar disorder and they're like you. Do I'm like yeah? 716 00:49:48.720 --> 00:49:51.760 What d you think I was a weird O or something you know, so it just kind of 717 00:49:51.840 --> 00:49:56.500 sparks that kind of spontaneous oration are, is like the gay way to 718 00:49:56.540 --> 00:50:01.040 communication and stories is beautiful, yeah. No, it man T it's so funny that 719 00:50:01.240 --> 00:50:04.620 when I first saw your logo actually, the Union Yang, I was like there's no 720 00:50:04.720 --> 00:50:09.920 way because our art embodies beginning in life. Yeah Yeah. Your whole story 721 00:50:10.040 --> 00:50:14.460 like when I started reading the about page on the outcast server outcast. 722 00:50:14.500 --> 00:50:18.640 First, I'm like Oh yeah this this is meant to be. We should be talking yeah 723 00:50:18.900 --> 00:50:22.620 like our first collection of art. It's all about the ends right, yeah, 724 00:50:23.140 --> 00:50:27.520 darkness, in Your Life, the bad times right and then the yangs like are your 725 00:50:27.560 --> 00:50:31.680 beautiful traits and you sort of mix that together and that becomes who you 726 00:50:31.740 --> 00:50:34.800 are. That makes up you as a person. You know that's right, yeah and you got to 727 00:50:34.820 --> 00:50:38.440 realize that they both balance each other out. You can't live without the 728 00:50:38.460 --> 00:50:41.900 back. Bad will exist and you just have to learn to tolerate it and put enough 729 00:50:41.980 --> 00:50:47.020 good to balance it out. Do it exactly it's like you're reading, it's like we 730 00:50:47.060 --> 00:50:50.580 yeah exactly, but that's so that I think speaks to the power of universal 731 00:50:50.600 --> 00:50:54.100 symbols to the en in the Yang generally speak and I've seen it since town and 732 00:50:54.140 --> 00:50:56.900 country surf boards. When I used to be in Hawaii a lot and when I was a kid- 733 00:50:57.060 --> 00:51:01.580 and I like I love that load, I'm just fascinated by it, and so I researched 734 00:51:01.660 --> 00:51:05.940 into symbology as a kid and then I became like a sign maker, designing big 735 00:51:06.000 --> 00:51:10.540 signs for casinos and things like that, but it's all based on symbology and my 736 00:51:10.620 --> 00:51:15.660 God. How do we get the most meaning into the simplest form ever so yeah? I 737 00:51:15.700 --> 00:51:19.400 was just fucking. Isn't it crazy? How just like that one logo that one design 738 00:51:19.540 --> 00:51:22.980 can convey so much meaning yeah yeah? I love it and- and 739 00:51:24.020 --> 00:51:26.820 you know someone who may not really understand it might say: okay, just 740 00:51:26.920 --> 00:51:30.200 like the inning, but if you know what it means and if you know the meaning 741 00:51:30.240 --> 00:51:34.360 behind it, you're like okay, like this project, I can vie with it it's 742 00:51:34.380 --> 00:51:38.420 something that I understand yeah yeah. Now I look forward to the future. Let's 743 00:51:38.480 --> 00:51:41.640 en plus part is one of those things like think. Both of us just keep doing 744 00:51:41.680 --> 00:51:45.200 it. Why stop there's no reason to stop a hundred per cent agree killean. Well, 745 00:51:45.220 --> 00:51:48.640 I do want to like say, like I love what you're doing to like 746 00:51:49.640 --> 00:51:53.900 you're, literally giving people the opportunity to share their stories and 747 00:51:54.060 --> 00:51:57.500 you're doing it in such a way. That also raises awareness for mental health 748 00:51:57.520 --> 00:52:00.440 disorders right. So I love what you're doing 749 00:52:01.560 --> 00:52:04.420 you know. I mean I'm sure there's been times where it might get discouraging, 750 00:52:04.860 --> 00:52:08.800 but I want to say like there is. I support you. I know that supports to 751 00:52:08.840 --> 00:52:11.620 this you're. Listen to support you, I'm sure, there's so many people out there 752 00:52:11.720 --> 00:52:15.120 who would love your work so just keep at it. Dude like it's really 753 00:52:15.160 --> 00:52:17.420 encouraging for other people to know that you're doing this 754 00:52:18.460 --> 00:52:22.300 dude. I appreciate that because Yeah I do have mental disorders and a lot of 755 00:52:22.320 --> 00:52:26.600 times. I feel like this is all the front I jumped into my John suit today 756 00:52:26.680 --> 00:52:31.420 to be on this podcast, but when I take it off, I'm like everybody hates me, 757 00:52:31.640 --> 00:52:35.840 that's I'm kind of fixed that a lot lately but yeah. I do appreciate that I 758 00:52:35.900 --> 00:52:40.960 used to not be able to take compliments at all, so I am absorbing that and most 759 00:52:41.000 --> 00:52:45.960 gracious for your kind words yeah like I think everyone needs just to get an 760 00:52:46.100 --> 00:52:48.040 hurmen here, because it is definitely a 761 00:52:49.080 --> 00:52:53.640 hard field to be in right, like, as you said, yeah I'll, Sigma Tie, people 762 00:52:53.720 --> 00:52:56.180 don't take you seriously sometimes or they see you differently, because 763 00:52:56.200 --> 00:53:00.520 you're talking about mental health and right, you like we got to stick 764 00:53:00.560 --> 00:53:04.040 together. You know like yeah, your community is your strong as your trunk 765 00:53:04.100 --> 00:53:08.640 as asset and it just. We really need the support. Every one can get yeah and 766 00:53:08.760 --> 00:53:15.700 the the the irony is so great that all of the outcasts are not outcast when 767 00:53:15.740 --> 00:53:20.040 we're together. Oh a hundred percent- oh my God that is so true! Yeah, that's 768 00:53:20.140 --> 00:53:24.560 yeah! It's awesome! Well bless you Conrad thanks! So much for connecting 769 00:53:24.600 --> 00:53:28.400 and shout out to NAT NAT if you're listening to this, I would love to have 770 00:53:28.520 --> 00:53:30.960 you on the show, I'd like to hear your story and what it's like to be. 771 00:53:32.180 --> 00:53:37.440 You know part of the Management Team of successful this cord server. All right, 772 00:53:37.480 --> 00:53:41.020 then thanks people for listening and I'll talk to you next week 773 00:53:55.360 --> 00:53:56.300 and now back to the wall