The Importance of Hobbies w/ Alex Hobby from “Time For Your Hobby Podcast”

WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.200 --> 00:00:03.319 Hey, Hey, what's up? Friends, Johnny motions here. This is 2 00:00:03.359 --> 00:00:08.039 Emo Dojo and I'm glad you made it so before we get started, just 3 00:00:08.119 --> 00:00:11.599 a quick update. You know, I wanted to give a shout out to 4 00:00:11.759 --> 00:00:16.920 several people that followed the show regularly and they keep quiet but I know that 5 00:00:16.960 --> 00:00:22.000 they're there. So shout out to aimes, Kaia, Angie, Tony, 6 00:00:22.559 --> 00:00:27.519 Marcy and now Jeff. So it turns out I got a great letter from 7 00:00:27.600 --> 00:00:32.159 Jeff the other day. I have a like a guest link that if people 8 00:00:32.200 --> 00:00:34.439 want to be on the show, they can just click a linkol and be 9 00:00:34.479 --> 00:00:38.159 a guest on the show. Jeff filled this out and sent me a really 10 00:00:38.280 --> 00:00:43.280 nice letter and it turns out Jeff drives a tractor in the middle of America 11 00:00:43.320 --> 00:00:47.560 for forty hours a week and listens to podcasts a lot and he's listened to 12 00:00:47.679 --> 00:00:51.359 all of these episodes, some of them more than once. So I really 13 00:00:51.359 --> 00:00:54.280 appreciate you, Jeff, and it kind of puts the the pressure on to 14 00:00:54.280 --> 00:00:58.320 make a better podcast, maybe something that's worthy of somebody to listen to while 15 00:00:58.320 --> 00:01:03.399 the driving a tractor doing God's work forty hours a week. So thanks for 16 00:01:03.439 --> 00:01:06.719 that letter. I will up my game. I appreciate you all. Thanks 17 00:01:06.719 --> 00:01:10.319 again for everything. I've got two interviews in the can right now, the 18 00:01:10.319 --> 00:01:15.159 one you are about to hear with Alex and another one with Marcy that I 19 00:01:15.159 --> 00:01:19.879 did on twitter spaces. So you'll have that one, those two to listen 20 00:01:19.959 --> 00:01:22.840 to, and then after that I'm going to get to the one I promised 21 00:01:22.840 --> 00:01:26.519 a while back on something called Alexei thimia, and also during that one I'll 22 00:01:26.519 --> 00:01:30.079 give you an update on the rest of what's going on in my regular life. 23 00:01:30.200 --> 00:01:33.920 Exciting things, you know, kind of things that have also caused me 24 00:01:33.959 --> 00:01:38.760 to push back uploading episodes as frequently as I'd like, but will soon change 25 00:01:38.799 --> 00:01:42.760 and maybe let me upload episodes almost on a daily basis if I feel like 26 00:01:42.799 --> 00:01:47.280 it. So things are progressing. It's kind of weird sometimes when life and 27 00:01:47.439 --> 00:01:49.959 the world just seems like it's going further into chaos. My life seems to 28 00:01:49.959 --> 00:01:56.079 be getting better and I always feel somewhat guilty about that, I guess. 29 00:01:56.280 --> 00:02:00.400 Anyway. So let's step into the Dojo here and talk to my esteemed guest, 30 00:02:00.519 --> 00:02:15.840 Alex Hobby here on Emo Dojo. So a little context for this conversation. 31 00:02:15.240 --> 00:02:20.360 Humans engage in all sorts of activities. Right, everything we do can 32 00:02:20.400 --> 00:02:23.159 be called an activity, sleeping, eating. And you know, aside from 33 00:02:23.240 --> 00:02:29.919 the core activities of sleeping and eating and finding shelter and maybe reproducing, most 34 00:02:29.960 --> 00:02:37.240 everything else, most of the other activities could be classified as hobbies or jobs. 35 00:02:37.360 --> 00:02:39.159 So when I say jobs, I mean things we're making money is the 36 00:02:39.159 --> 00:02:44.360 primary goal of that activity, and when I say hobbies, I mean things 37 00:02:44.360 --> 00:02:50.000 we're fun or passing the time is the primary goal of the activity. That 38 00:02:50.199 --> 00:02:54.080 said, shortly before I recorded this interview with Alex, there was one of 39 00:02:54.120 --> 00:03:00.120 these podcast or guru types that was out there making hyperbolic claims that there was 40 00:03:00.159 --> 00:03:04.879 no such thing, that hobbyist podcasters don't, quote unquote, actually exist. 41 00:03:04.960 --> 00:03:09.639 So of course you can't run around dehumanizing segments of the population when clearly eighty 42 00:03:09.639 --> 00:03:15.599 percent of podcasters are hobbyists. And just because you think it's a good idea 43 00:03:15.680 --> 00:03:21.319 to dip everything into capitalism, was like you dip your fries and ranch dressing 44 00:03:21.400 --> 00:03:25.039 or something gross. Some of US enjoy things for the sake of enjoyment and 45 00:03:25.120 --> 00:03:29.960 passing the time, leisure activities. So if you hear that tone come up 46 00:03:29.960 --> 00:03:32.719 in our conversation, that's where it came from. All right. So here 47 00:03:32.840 --> 00:03:38.520 is the interview with Alex Hobby and me, John Emotions, on Emo Dojo. 48 00:03:44.719 --> 00:03:47.240 Here's what's really cool too. Is like this show is about emotions, 49 00:03:47.319 --> 00:03:52.919 so I just called myself John Emotions. You Call Yourself Alex Hobby, so 50 00:03:53.000 --> 00:03:55.520 I have to ask, was that your name or did you adopt a name 51 00:03:55.639 --> 00:04:00.319 for your podcast? That is not my name. Is the name I adopted 52 00:04:00.360 --> 00:04:02.919 for the podcast for the simple reason I'm not ashamed of my family name. 53 00:04:03.159 --> 00:04:08.000 Is just I figured people are snoopy on the Internet and there's nothing to be 54 00:04:08.080 --> 00:04:10.719 ashamed of for my family. Haven't done anything wrong, but I didn't want 55 00:04:10.800 --> 00:04:15.120 them to go searching my other family member. Is just so they have their 56 00:04:15.159 --> 00:04:16.680 own life. I'm long life. I Love Them. It's just a cup, 57 00:04:16.720 --> 00:04:19.560 a little barrier. It's not like it's impossible to find me online my 58 00:04:19.600 --> 00:04:24.839 real name. But yeah, yeah, that's exactly my same motif. Well, 59 00:04:24.920 --> 00:04:29.839 I have lost jobs because of my mental disorders, so maybe sharing everything 60 00:04:30.000 --> 00:04:32.759 publicly wasn't the greatest idea. So I'm like I've been. Plus, I 61 00:04:32.800 --> 00:04:35.800 had a background in music anyway, so it's kind of common for people to 62 00:04:35.839 --> 00:04:40.279 make up quote unquote, stage names. So it didn't seem that weird to 63 00:04:40.360 --> 00:04:43.959 me. So do I I also have a background in music. Yeah, 64 00:04:44.000 --> 00:04:46.160 what's your background? What do you do? So I'm a producer. I've 65 00:04:46.199 --> 00:04:53.920 been producing music for fifteen years. I do everything from hiphop classical orchestra. 66 00:04:54.000 --> 00:04:57.360 I'm really into scores. It's been a while since I've been occupied with podcasting, 67 00:04:57.720 --> 00:05:00.600 but also do I wrap. So I just love the production aspect of 68 00:05:00.759 --> 00:05:04.399 music. That's fantastic. Then I think we'll touch on that a lot when 69 00:05:04.399 --> 00:05:11.680 it comes to technical hobbies, music, podcasting, things like that. So 70 00:05:11.920 --> 00:05:15.040 tell us a little bit about your your background. How did you come to 71 00:05:15.920 --> 00:05:19.160 get so interested into hobbies, for one, and then to the point where 72 00:05:19.160 --> 00:05:23.519 you're focusing on them? And then how did you translate that into a podcast 73 00:05:23.920 --> 00:05:29.240 about podcast hobbies? So, yeah, I've I guess I've since it since 74 00:05:29.279 --> 00:05:30.759 I was a kid. I've always been interested in doing different things. My 75 00:05:30.879 --> 00:05:34.560 mother always wanted to put me in different activities. First it was soccer. 76 00:05:34.639 --> 00:05:36.680 It's like, Oh, don't you like track and film? Like I like 77 00:05:36.759 --> 00:05:40.360 track and fields. It puts me in trackings, like don't you miss soccer? 78 00:05:40.560 --> 00:05:42.959 Like yeah, I guess I miss soccer. Putting back and soccer. 79 00:05:43.079 --> 00:05:46.600 It's like, don't you miss track and fields? That you know, manipulative, 80 00:05:46.600 --> 00:05:47.720 but I think like, I don't know it was. It was getting 81 00:05:47.759 --> 00:05:50.759 me active. So I was always on the move and I've always been interested 82 00:05:50.800 --> 00:05:55.800 in like bugs, collecting Pokemon, cards at playing baseball in the backyard, 83 00:05:55.839 --> 00:06:00.680 would crab apples and building things with rusty nails and would that we find on 84 00:06:00.720 --> 00:06:03.680 the side of the road. I know it's the childhood of the s for 85 00:06:03.800 --> 00:06:10.600 me, example, but love as a group as I grew up. When 86 00:06:10.639 --> 00:06:15.439 it comes to talking about hobbies in my podcast, let's just say puberty hit 87 00:06:15.519 --> 00:06:19.319 me really hard in the sense that my voice got really deep and people like, 88 00:06:19.399 --> 00:06:21.439 Oh, Alex, you should do radio, you should do radio, 89 00:06:21.879 --> 00:06:27.040 listen. I don't know. I don't know what what I would talk about 90 00:06:27.199 --> 00:06:30.600 or if I would be good at it. And then over time I didn't 91 00:06:30.600 --> 00:06:32.279 think about it and then one of my jobs, or two of my jobs, 92 00:06:32.279 --> 00:06:35.319 I was a tour guy, and so that was me practicing my fun 93 00:06:35.839 --> 00:06:41.240 ability to speak to people in English and in French, share stories and then 94 00:06:41.720 --> 00:06:46.800 look like we were talking. Before I was really big into music and music 95 00:06:46.879 --> 00:06:49.120 production and anything related to audio. So I oh, this is interesting I 96 00:06:49.199 --> 00:06:53.759 want to learn more how to do this and as the years went by, 97 00:06:55.600 --> 00:06:58.959 I figured well, podcasting seems to be like an interesting thing, because my 98 00:06:59.040 --> 00:07:01.600 friend say it was saying that they were interested in starting a podcast. I'm 99 00:07:01.600 --> 00:07:03.199 like, you know what, I have all the tools in the equipment. 100 00:07:03.319 --> 00:07:05.360 Why not? I just give it a shot, because I have nothing to 101 00:07:05.439 --> 00:07:10.040 lose. And when it came to choosing a topic, I'm like, what 102 00:07:10.240 --> 00:07:13.759 do I want to talk about? I'm not knowledgeable and a lot of things, 103 00:07:13.839 --> 00:07:15.839 and I want to make this last long. I'm like, hobbies. 104 00:07:15.920 --> 00:07:18.120 What am I talk about? My hobbies? I'm like, Nah, nobody 105 00:07:18.160 --> 00:07:23.800 wants to hear about my hobbies. Why don't I interview other people about their 106 00:07:23.839 --> 00:07:26.160 hobbies? And it was a no brain. I'm like cool, that's it. 107 00:07:26.240 --> 00:07:28.000 And when it came to the title, time for Hobby, I'm my 108 00:07:28.639 --> 00:07:30.680 that's direct. That's what I'm talking about, making time for your hobby. 109 00:07:30.879 --> 00:07:35.519 Yeah, and for the first ten episodes, I've had friends and family come 110 00:07:35.600 --> 00:07:39.720 on, because that's usually the easiest thing to do instead of reaching out to 111 00:07:39.759 --> 00:07:43.040 strangers for the first few episodes. So I didn't want to mess up. 112 00:07:43.040 --> 00:07:47.319 I want to leave a good impression and yeah, I really enjoyed or enjoy 113 00:07:47.720 --> 00:07:53.000 present still doing it, talking to people about their hobbies, because people just 114 00:07:53.279 --> 00:07:56.839 light up and I have my own hobbies on the sign but the fact that 115 00:07:57.000 --> 00:08:00.600 I get to allow, I get to allow people, but people come on 116 00:08:00.720 --> 00:08:03.959 and share their hobby to the full, like extremities of like whatever they want 117 00:08:05.000 --> 00:08:07.920 to share, is like cool and I'm super curious, so it makes me 118 00:08:07.199 --> 00:08:11.240 want to learn more and I kind of sometimes when like who I really want 119 00:08:11.240 --> 00:08:13.160 to try that hobby. So yeah, I am that type of person. 120 00:08:13.240 --> 00:08:16.720 I love trying new things and I haven't tried out all the hobbies on my 121 00:08:16.800 --> 00:08:22.839 podcast. That would be quite the challenge, but I guess that's my way 122 00:08:22.959 --> 00:08:24.000 of doing it and I guess, to answer your question, if I'm not 123 00:08:24.079 --> 00:08:28.480 going too off, another reason why I chose the topic of hobbies. He's 124 00:08:28.519 --> 00:08:33.000 because my saw, my grandfather, my grandfather was an individual who worked hard 125 00:08:33.120 --> 00:08:37.639 his entire life. Until the age of eighty four, he kept on going 126 00:08:37.720 --> 00:08:39.840 to work and all he would think about his work, work, work, 127 00:08:39.919 --> 00:08:43.720 and when he was at home, where he could not physically get to work 128 00:08:43.720 --> 00:08:48.320 anymore, he was just there and he did not know what to do with 129 00:08:48.440 --> 00:08:52.159 himself. Didn't have a hobby. Didn't have anything like that and it was 130 00:08:52.279 --> 00:08:54.639 just eating him alive. Not Going to work. And for me, the 131 00:08:54.720 --> 00:09:01.519 idea to focus on a hobby is also super beneficial for just improving your mental 132 00:09:01.600 --> 00:09:05.679 state, making yourself feel good, and I'm sure you have a lot more 133 00:09:05.759 --> 00:09:09.840 questions regarding that. But Yeah, looking at my grandfather and the lack of 134 00:09:09.919 --> 00:09:13.480 his lack of him having a hobby with another reason why I decided to do 135 00:09:13.600 --> 00:09:16.840 this podcast, to help encourage people pick up hobbies, whether it's a big 136 00:09:16.879 --> 00:09:20.039 hobby or a small one. Yeah, yeah, that's really fascinating. I 137 00:09:20.159 --> 00:09:22.919 was doing a little research on hobbies. I'm all been like, like yourself, 138 00:09:22.960 --> 00:09:28.080 I'm super curious and there have been times when I raise my own kids 139 00:09:28.200 --> 00:09:31.759 that I would almost ruin their hobbies because I wanted to turn into turn it 140 00:09:31.840 --> 00:09:35.240 into something that it was not. They were just having a fun thing and 141 00:09:35.519 --> 00:09:37.600 I was in that point in my life where I'm like, yeah, you 142 00:09:37.679 --> 00:09:41.639 guys could like put up a Webcam and you could do a show and he 143 00:09:41.720 --> 00:09:46.639 could sell stuff, and they're like mom, Dad, reckon it. So 144 00:09:48.200 --> 00:09:50.720 there is a thing I was reading about like the I'm into etymology to like 145 00:09:50.840 --> 00:09:54.279 the source of words I'm like, where did hobby even come from? So 146 00:09:54.399 --> 00:09:58.879 apparently super old word from the fourteen hundreds that meant horse. So the term 147 00:09:58.960 --> 00:10:03.759 Hobby Horse, apparently that's all connected hobby horse. And apparently somehow in the 148 00:10:03.840 --> 00:10:09.600 sixteen hundreds we just started using it as a name for a thing that we 149 00:10:09.720 --> 00:10:13.720 do that has no meaningful person has a meaningful purpose, but it had no 150 00:10:13.919 --> 00:10:18.399 results, like we're not trying to create results with anything and like that. 151 00:10:18.519 --> 00:10:22.200 That's fascinating. So so the idea since the sixteen hundreds is that people could 152 00:10:22.200 --> 00:10:28.879 just screw off and like take yourself away from something that does not include earning 153 00:10:28.000 --> 00:10:31.879 money. That's not the your hobby can't make money. But the whole purpose 154 00:10:31.960 --> 00:10:35.879 of a hobby is to distract yourself, much in the same way meditation and 155 00:10:35.960 --> 00:10:39.879 mindfulness in these type of things do. And you're right, a lot of 156 00:10:39.919 --> 00:10:43.720 people just they seem to have faded away from hobbies in today's hustle culture and 157 00:10:43.919 --> 00:10:46.960 everyone thinks that Oh, it's fun, I'm going to try to make money 158 00:10:48.279 --> 00:10:50.080 doing it and like well, okay, that's fun. Now it's your job. 159 00:10:50.840 --> 00:10:54.720 What's going to be your hobby now? So a lot of people are 160 00:10:54.879 --> 00:10:58.440 filling in their hobbies with work. They're turning their hobbies into work, and 161 00:10:58.480 --> 00:11:03.200 I think that's part of what's causing so much depression and anxiety with especially in 162 00:11:03.240 --> 00:11:05.639 America, where we're from. or well, you're in Canada, so it's 163 00:11:05.679 --> 00:11:11.120 probably sort similar there. But the idea that we just were we don't take 164 00:11:11.200 --> 00:11:15.000 time off to refresh and do something. That's just not part of the grind. 165 00:11:16.639 --> 00:11:20.279 No, no, I absolutely agree, and I would also imagine social 166 00:11:20.320 --> 00:11:22.600 media plays a big role in that. Before that, before social media, 167 00:11:22.639 --> 00:11:26.960 people just picked up hobbies and they carried on with their own lives as much 168 00:11:26.000 --> 00:11:30.279 as they can. It wasn't much focus on. You're wasting your time if 169 00:11:30.320 --> 00:11:33.600 you're not turning your hobby into a career, you're not making any money out 170 00:11:33.639 --> 00:11:35.240 of your hobby, then it's a waste of time. That one person who 171 00:11:35.279 --> 00:11:39.120 likes to collect buttons. Yo, that's fine. Collect your button straight up 172 00:11:39.159 --> 00:11:41.639 makes you happy. Yeah, how much money am I going to make for 173 00:11:41.720 --> 00:11:46.720 my butterfly collection? You know, it's it's not. It's not a thing. 174 00:11:46.919 --> 00:11:50.519 Like the whole purpose is to have a thing to do where you're not 175 00:11:50.720 --> 00:11:54.080 making money. It's almost like here's the thing that I do that's cost me 176 00:11:54.200 --> 00:11:56.440 money, like purposefully cost me money, and does not. It will never 177 00:11:56.840 --> 00:12:00.879 make me money. But so that kind of leads to my next question, 178 00:12:00.960 --> 00:12:03.559 though. So can't do you think, and it's kind of an open ended 179 00:12:03.679 --> 00:12:09.200 question, kind of philosophical, that can anything be a hobby? Absolutely well, 180 00:12:09.360 --> 00:12:11.639 within limits, I would imagine, in the sense if it's like a 181 00:12:11.759 --> 00:12:16.559 violent hobby, it technically it can be a pibe hobby. But I'm sure 182 00:12:16.679 --> 00:12:18.879 for legal reasons you can't do let's say, shooting yourself in the foot is 183 00:12:18.879 --> 00:12:22.360 a hobby. I you going to run out of the yeah, yeah, 184 00:12:22.399 --> 00:12:24.919 you run out a feat. Is that? They just hobby. But in 185 00:12:24.080 --> 00:12:28.679 theory, yeah, everything can be a hobby, from collecting, from learning 186 00:12:28.840 --> 00:12:33.559 reading. Like my grandmother, her hobby is walking. Yeah, yeah, 187 00:12:33.600 --> 00:12:37.519 physical activity, crochet and things like that. I love seeing old people even 188 00:12:37.559 --> 00:12:39.480 go down to play Bingo or chess or whatever they're doing. They're still moving 189 00:12:39.480 --> 00:12:43.559 their minds and their bodies, for sure. Exactly. So in my definition 190 00:12:43.720 --> 00:12:46.799 a hobby is anything you do do in your free time and if you do 191 00:12:46.919 --> 00:12:50.679 it more than once, like it's something you do. Doesn't have to be 192 00:12:50.799 --> 00:12:52.120 regular, you don't have to do like every single day. Maybe you do 193 00:12:52.279 --> 00:12:56.519 once a month or once a year. Like I'll say, skydiving could be 194 00:12:56.559 --> 00:12:58.080 pretty expensive, right, if you do that once a year? Yeah, 195 00:12:58.080 --> 00:13:01.559 and then it's your hobby and then in the meantime you learn about it, 196 00:13:01.639 --> 00:13:03.639 and I think that's like it ties into each other, the aspect of doing 197 00:13:03.799 --> 00:13:07.039 it and learning more about it. So let's say for you and I, 198 00:13:07.200 --> 00:13:11.399 we love podcasting. So when we're not podcasting, sometimes we're curiously. Oh 199 00:13:11.759 --> 00:13:13.879 well, it's just interesting Mike we can use or this interesting tool we can 200 00:13:15.000 --> 00:13:18.200 use. So you're learning more about your hobby and I think that's where it 201 00:13:18.240 --> 00:13:20.279 all starts. Like I can collect cups. My wife collects coffee mugs. 202 00:13:20.399 --> 00:13:24.480 Now doesn't use them all, but she collects coffeemugs and that's her hobby. 203 00:13:24.559 --> 00:13:28.799 She also paints and plays the piano, and I guess that's also a misconception 204 00:13:28.960 --> 00:13:31.639 that you're only allowed to have one hobby if people have multiple interests. You 205 00:13:31.679 --> 00:13:35.639 can have multiple interests because hobbies can satisfy different things. Like that person who 206 00:13:35.840 --> 00:13:41.879 collects it buttons. Yeah, right, that satisfies that collection aspect of the 207 00:13:41.919 --> 00:13:45.960 hobby, and then maybe they also enjoy playing video games. So literally anything 208 00:13:46.039 --> 00:13:48.279 to be a hobby. As much as you enjoyed. I can't see people 209 00:13:48.320 --> 00:13:52.639 who do hobbies that hate their hobby, kind of that fears the purpose of 210 00:13:52.679 --> 00:13:54.799 a hobby. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. And then you so 211 00:13:54.960 --> 00:14:01.039 you don't harass your wife to try to monetize her mug collection. Right, 212 00:14:01.799 --> 00:14:03.720 no, no, no, no, okay, Ye, should kill me, 213 00:14:03.759 --> 00:14:07.759 that's for sure. Yeah, no, no, no. And she 214 00:14:07.879 --> 00:14:09.440 exists, though, right, so she is a hobbyist and she exists. 215 00:14:09.799 --> 00:14:15.559 So so hobbyists exists and hobbyists can do anything we want to do, apparently, 216 00:14:15.879 --> 00:14:18.480 which is the fascinating thing that I love that. What do you think 217 00:14:18.600 --> 00:14:22.159 draws people to their chosen hobby? This one. When I first thought of 218 00:14:22.240 --> 00:14:24.919 this, as I'm thinking of talking to you last night, I'm like, 219 00:14:24.519 --> 00:14:28.240 why do we pick our hobbies? Because I was looking into it. There's 220 00:14:28.240 --> 00:14:33.120 a book called wanting by Luke Burges about this thing called mimetic desire and a 221 00:14:33.200 --> 00:14:37.000 lot of it's mimisa. So I'm started to think, do we do hobbies 222 00:14:37.039 --> 00:14:39.679 because we see other people doing them, as like, is that the only 223 00:14:39.720 --> 00:14:41.519 reason I do a hobbies? Because I saw somebody doing it and look cool? 224 00:14:41.759 --> 00:14:46.440 But why do you think people choose the hobbies that they choose. I 225 00:14:46.600 --> 00:14:50.679 think the biggest element it comes in is curiosity, and it's not necessarily seeing 226 00:14:50.799 --> 00:14:54.960 somebody else do it. Maybe these song like a rock on the rose, 227 00:14:54.000 --> 00:14:58.399 like that's an interesting rock. Are All rocks like this or other different kind 228 00:14:58.440 --> 00:15:03.679 of rocks or like? Those are interesting birds. I wonder what other birds 229 00:15:03.759 --> 00:15:05.360 look like. Oh, different birds in different countries. Right. So it's 230 00:15:05.399 --> 00:15:11.000 that sense of curiosity that ties us in, because without curiosity, I'm I'm 231 00:15:11.080 --> 00:15:13.200 not an expert, but I would imagine that most people would not start a 232 00:15:13.240 --> 00:15:18.399 hobby if they're not a little bit curious about it. So, when it 233 00:15:18.480 --> 00:15:22.200 comes to tying into how we choose our hobbies, let's say for me, 234 00:15:22.360 --> 00:15:26.360 podcasting, maybe for you personally, I love talking to people, learning about 235 00:15:26.440 --> 00:15:28.559 things, and maybe some other people are like I need something that keeps my 236 00:15:28.679 --> 00:15:31.960 hands busy. So and then you're like trying to figure out okay, well, 237 00:15:33.200 --> 00:15:35.840 crotchet your knitting arm. Well, I don't like crochet, but I 238 00:15:35.039 --> 00:15:39.000 do like a sewing God that keeps my hands busy. Let me try it 239 00:15:39.039 --> 00:15:41.279 out. No, I don't like that very much. I'm ready Rube's cute. 240 00:15:41.279 --> 00:15:45.519 And so they try to go through this whole process of figure out what 241 00:15:45.720 --> 00:15:50.480 can satisfy their Han need and there's no bad yeah, and sorry away now. 242 00:15:50.519 --> 00:15:52.759 You kind of hitting on a point that I was thinking of that I 243 00:15:52.840 --> 00:15:58.080 think about a lot, is that humans are into the actual activity. Like 244 00:15:58.120 --> 00:16:00.159 people like, well, what kind of job should I get, and things 245 00:16:00.200 --> 00:16:02.360 like that. Well, what do you like to do, actually do? 246 00:16:02.879 --> 00:16:04.440 Do you like to walk? Do you like this sit do you like to, 247 00:16:04.960 --> 00:16:07.519 you know, toil with your spear, small digit, your fingers, 248 00:16:07.679 --> 00:16:11.080 or do you like to lift with your big your limbs, your arms and 249 00:16:11.159 --> 00:16:15.679 legs? And I think that's what might draw people to the hobbies. Is 250 00:16:15.759 --> 00:16:19.799 that? Is it stimulating the part of their being that needs stimulating? Is 251 00:16:19.879 --> 00:16:23.360 it your fingers? Is it crochet, or is it throwing frisbees? Is 252 00:16:23.399 --> 00:16:26.440 it, you know, Frisbee Golf or whatever? Is it the the high 253 00:16:26.480 --> 00:16:33.639 intensity of maybe local drag racing or something people get into, like local car 254 00:16:33.720 --> 00:16:36.279 sports that can be affordable, things like that. But whatever it is, 255 00:16:36.360 --> 00:16:38.240 it seems to be I don't know it. Part of it must be that 256 00:16:38.320 --> 00:16:41.200 they're drawn to it because they think it's cool. Like I when I was 257 00:16:41.240 --> 00:16:44.919 a kid I saw a drummer, I'm like, Oh yeah, beating on 258 00:16:45.000 --> 00:16:48.279 stuff looks fun as hell. I'm going to go play the drums and like 259 00:16:49.000 --> 00:16:52.759 yeah, I was just going to just gonna add to that. I also 260 00:16:52.879 --> 00:16:56.759 think there's that misconceptions that once you pick up a hobby you have to go 261 00:16:56.279 --> 00:17:00.919 all in into it. There's some people who pick it up and do it 262 00:17:00.039 --> 00:17:03.360 once or twice, three times and they're like, you know what, that 263 00:17:03.519 --> 00:17:07.160 satisfied my need and you don't need to pick up a hobby and the society 264 00:17:07.240 --> 00:17:10.039 around it tells you, Oh, you're giving it up now, would a 265 00:17:10.160 --> 00:17:15.400 failure for you giving up this hobby. There's a deadline on how long you 266 00:17:15.680 --> 00:17:17.759 can do your hobby. You can do it as long as you want. 267 00:17:17.799 --> 00:17:21.640 We're short as you want, and you're not a failure for putting it down 268 00:17:21.759 --> 00:17:25.559 for fifty years. If, for example, somebody who really enjoyed surfing and 269 00:17:25.599 --> 00:17:26.519 when they were a kid and like Oh, I got busy, and then 270 00:17:26.880 --> 00:17:30.400 when they became a senior citizen, you wants to get back into it, 271 00:17:30.880 --> 00:17:33.559 that's cool too. Definitely new such thing as failures when it comes to hobbies, 272 00:17:33.559 --> 00:17:36.640 because it is your own time, you go at your own speed. 273 00:17:37.160 --> 00:17:40.720 Yeah, maybe that's why people like hobbies so much. You can't really fails. 274 00:17:40.839 --> 00:17:44.279 It's a kind of an ongoing process of learning and mastering the thing that 275 00:17:44.359 --> 00:17:48.160 you're trying to do, plus the whole quote unquote, monetization of everything that's 276 00:17:48.200 --> 00:17:51.559 relatively new. That's, like you said, that's pretty much an Internet thing 277 00:17:51.599 --> 00:17:56.559 in the past twenty years, where every everybody that does a thing, any 278 00:17:56.680 --> 00:18:02.000 kind of thing, they have been told or fulled into the social media giants 279 00:18:02.039 --> 00:18:06.319 that you can make money doing that thing. And okay, well, where's 280 00:18:06.319 --> 00:18:08.599 the thing people are doing without making money? People need time, downtime, 281 00:18:08.640 --> 00:18:12.160 I think, to just think and screw off. You call it whatever you 282 00:18:12.240 --> 00:18:17.039 want, but I think that's so critical, just to take a break from 283 00:18:17.880 --> 00:18:22.000 grinding the capitalist you got to make money at everything has to be a has 284 00:18:22.039 --> 00:18:25.559 to have a reason, which eliminates all of art, you know, like, 285 00:18:25.759 --> 00:18:27.119 Oh, there, are there any artist left if we do that? 286 00:18:27.559 --> 00:18:32.400 No, MMM. And you know what, that kind of pisses me off 287 00:18:32.519 --> 00:18:34.599 a little bit. The idea like that it's okay for people to go make 288 00:18:34.640 --> 00:18:38.559 money with their hobbies, nothing wrong with them. My issue is people shaming 289 00:18:38.680 --> 00:18:45.240 people who don't, as if there they are superior for not trying to make 290 00:18:45.359 --> 00:18:48.079 like, Oh, I'm making money with my hobby. I'm making a hundred 291 00:18:48.119 --> 00:18:51.519 thousand. You're not doing anything your hobby. Oh, you're so inferior to 292 00:18:51.599 --> 00:18:53.480 me, you're wasting your time, stuff like that. That that's a pet 293 00:18:53.559 --> 00:18:56.759 people of mind, for sure. But what here's part of it too, 294 00:18:56.799 --> 00:19:00.720 because I've made money that my hobbies and it turned him into bullshit really. 295 00:19:00.759 --> 00:19:03.039 So, for example, I've been into music since I was a kid, 296 00:19:03.519 --> 00:19:07.359 played the drum since I was three or four. Eventually I'm working at concert 297 00:19:07.400 --> 00:19:11.480 production company and then it gets bought by a big one. Now I'm working 298 00:19:11.480 --> 00:19:15.400 at live nation for five years right, and I couldn't tell you anything that 299 00:19:15.480 --> 00:19:19.319 took the fun out of my drumming more than go into the office every day 300 00:19:19.559 --> 00:19:25.160 and having to produce concerts for other people. So you really have to not 301 00:19:25.240 --> 00:19:27.400 be careful, but what you asked for, but like be aware of what 302 00:19:27.519 --> 00:19:32.480 you're asking for, like no what you're getting yourself into. So the idea 303 00:19:32.640 --> 00:19:36.720 of turning music into my job, like I had office, I had medical 304 00:19:36.799 --> 00:19:38.480 benefits and paid time off, the whole thing. I'm like, Oh, 305 00:19:38.519 --> 00:19:41.400 cool, I made it, you got to go all the concerts, get 306 00:19:41.480 --> 00:19:45.119 to do all the cool stuff. Right. Let me drive up literally to 307 00:19:45.240 --> 00:19:48.839 the backstage and walk in just before the show would start. Most people say, 308 00:19:48.880 --> 00:19:52.440 well, that's a dream job. Now not as a drummer. As 309 00:19:52.480 --> 00:19:56.039 a drummer I'm like, I'm just wrecked my hobby, like I enjoyed drumming 310 00:19:56.119 --> 00:19:57.559 and music for the sake of drumming and music, and now we've played this 311 00:19:57.799 --> 00:20:03.559 entire layer of corporatism on top of it just for the sake of making money. 312 00:20:03.359 --> 00:20:06.559 Like this is bullshit, and so I could see it both. And 313 00:20:06.640 --> 00:20:08.440 now, as a as I'm a drummer, I've been paid to make a 314 00:20:08.519 --> 00:20:12.839 drum play drum. So you could say professional drummer, recorded toward all those 315 00:20:12.880 --> 00:20:17.680 things, but I played drums now with no intention of making money. I'm 316 00:20:17.720 --> 00:20:22.640 a hobbyist. So I think you can do both if you have the flexible 317 00:20:22.759 --> 00:20:26.559 mindset to be able to see things from others perspective and that you know. 318 00:20:26.039 --> 00:20:29.000 There's a lot of things I do now that I do both. I'm a 319 00:20:29.039 --> 00:20:32.640 graphic designer for my passion, like a heard jeto graphic designer on your show 320 00:20:32.720 --> 00:20:37.640 for hobbies. I also do graphic design at work. I'm a passionate hobbyist 321 00:20:37.079 --> 00:20:42.200 podcaster and recently things have changed the work to where I'm going to insert part 322 00:20:42.240 --> 00:20:45.599 of my passion at work and get paid at work to do a little podcasting 323 00:20:45.640 --> 00:20:49.839 as well. So they're the getting paid versus not getting paid. Things always 324 00:20:49.880 --> 00:20:53.240 a weird issue, because just because you got paid doesn't mean you're not a 325 00:20:53.319 --> 00:20:59.519 hobbyist, and just because you get paid doesn't mean you should be getting paid. 326 00:20:59.799 --> 00:21:02.799 You doesn't mean you're that good. You you probably just game the system, 327 00:21:03.160 --> 00:21:07.960 the marketing aspect. You just you know how to market your your yourself, 328 00:21:07.359 --> 00:21:10.880 and I guess to go on the same train of thought. So for 329 00:21:11.000 --> 00:21:14.720 me, my music, whenever I did my music, I never wanted to, 330 00:21:15.839 --> 00:21:18.000 let's say, turned into a business or make money out of it. 331 00:21:18.079 --> 00:21:21.839 I just want to do it as a d stressor I recorded many other artists 332 00:21:21.839 --> 00:21:23.240 as well, and there all this let me pay, you, limit pay. 333 00:21:23.279 --> 00:21:26.119 I'm like Na, you know what, I'm doing this for the love 334 00:21:26.160 --> 00:21:29.400 of music. For me, it's a training session. I get to learn 335 00:21:29.480 --> 00:21:33.519 more techniques and stuff like that because of this. When I started midway through, 336 00:21:33.680 --> 00:21:36.839 I was also in university and I didn't want to put too much focus 337 00:21:37.000 --> 00:21:38.920 on doing that because I really want to focus on my grades and get through 338 00:21:40.039 --> 00:21:45.000 university, because I'm dyslexic and just lexia. An education can be challenging sometimes, 339 00:21:45.119 --> 00:21:48.400 so I wanted to make sure that I got through the right way, 340 00:21:48.559 --> 00:21:51.359 and I did, and music was just going to be my stress reliever. 341 00:21:51.519 --> 00:21:53.759 Sometimes I just fiddle around with the piano. I don't ever create anything. 342 00:21:53.839 --> 00:21:57.480 I just fiddle around and release all this stress I have through my fingers. 343 00:21:57.880 --> 00:22:02.920 As for my podcast, I do make money. Everything is around like nineteen 344 00:22:03.440 --> 00:22:07.279 Canadian and these are things to my patrons, but once again, these are 345 00:22:07.400 --> 00:22:10.119 actually most of them. I've been guessed my show and they like to show 346 00:22:10.599 --> 00:22:14.079 but these are things that, if they were to leave tomorrow, I got 347 00:22:14.160 --> 00:22:17.079 we're done. I'm like, cool, that's fine. I appreciate the support 348 00:22:17.119 --> 00:22:19.960 they gave because I will still give the same amount of energy in my podcast 349 00:22:21.240 --> 00:22:25.480 whether I have my current patrons or more or none at all. And I 350 00:22:25.559 --> 00:22:26.960 think it was like for the first one hundred episodes I didn't have any patrons. 351 00:22:27.039 --> 00:22:32.000 So it's just like just given the of and on the other side, 352 00:22:32.279 --> 00:22:34.240 I know there's a question coming up for something else I'm not going to answer 353 00:22:34.359 --> 00:22:38.240 now, but I am working on a board game and I do want to 354 00:22:38.279 --> 00:22:41.240 sell that. But my hobby side of it is the creative aspect. I 355 00:22:41.319 --> 00:22:45.200 love trying to figure out the designs and mechanism and just stuff like that, 356 00:22:45.240 --> 00:22:48.920 because I grow up with Board Games and I love that element of it. 357 00:22:48.079 --> 00:22:52.079 So I have my music. We're just free being a hobby. PODCAST is 358 00:22:52.119 --> 00:22:56.119 monetized and then while also do soccer, not monetize at all. Not that 359 00:22:56.279 --> 00:23:00.359 good. That like hiking with my wife and soon, hopefully, when my 360 00:23:00.400 --> 00:23:03.720 son gets a little older, go hiking with them as well. Heck Ye, 361 00:23:03.759 --> 00:23:06.119 I don't think I'll be able to monetize that as well, but I 362 00:23:06.319 --> 00:23:10.480 do enjoy those because, once again, they all offer something different to my 363 00:23:10.599 --> 00:23:12.319 mental health. Yeah, well, it's fine, and they all take effort 364 00:23:12.480 --> 00:23:15.440 and they all require resources. You know, it's all the same things that 365 00:23:15.960 --> 00:23:21.640 work requires or your job requires, but it's sometimes people don't understand that. 366 00:23:22.799 --> 00:23:26.400 Sometimes you just give to give and sometimes that giving feeling it. Whether you're 367 00:23:26.480 --> 00:23:30.680 giving it to yourself in the form of paying for skiing lessons or going bowling 368 00:23:30.799 --> 00:23:36.799 every Saturday night or whatever, it's still a passion and a hobby and it 369 00:23:36.920 --> 00:23:40.440 takes effort. So the I don't know for every instance. Someone said, 370 00:23:40.440 --> 00:23:41.640 oh well, if you're if you make an effort, you should make money. 371 00:23:41.640 --> 00:23:45.640 I disagree, like why? Why should you make money just because you 372 00:23:45.720 --> 00:23:48.599 put out effort? Don't be lazy. Put out effort for the sake of 373 00:23:48.640 --> 00:23:52.799 putting out effort, give for the sake of giving and, in our case, 374 00:23:52.880 --> 00:23:55.880 practice for the sake of practice. I've told said many times on this 375 00:23:55.960 --> 00:24:00.119 podcast because I have other podcasts that are more business, e. podcasts, 376 00:24:00.839 --> 00:24:03.559 and I'm like no, this is my gm and this is where I come 377 00:24:03.640 --> 00:24:07.960 to practice speaking and editing and wrangling gas and this is where I do all 378 00:24:08.000 --> 00:24:11.079 the practice. So that way, when I have my business podcast, which 379 00:24:11.160 --> 00:24:15.720 of want, like an upcoming one for my job, all of the things 380 00:24:15.759 --> 00:24:19.640 I've been practicing during my hobby segue right into that. So my bosses think, 381 00:24:19.680 --> 00:24:22.400 wow, he's really effective. Well, it's not. I just been 382 00:24:22.440 --> 00:24:26.599 practicing my hobby and again, my hobby, this podcast for example, will 383 00:24:26.599 --> 00:24:30.519 always be my hobby, regardless of what other podcast I do. So the 384 00:24:30.640 --> 00:24:37.200 idea that you can't be a podcast hobbyist is ridiculous. So I just been. 385 00:24:37.279 --> 00:24:38.799 I talked about that a lot because my guests always wondered, like what 386 00:24:38.880 --> 00:24:44.119 should I do with myself? I'm like some of them might have government benefits 387 00:24:44.200 --> 00:24:48.359 because their mental health is in such a state. So they have time on 388 00:24:48.359 --> 00:24:49.440 their hands, not a lot of money, but a lot of time, 389 00:24:51.240 --> 00:24:52.720 and so I thought, man, hobbies are perfect. Like what are your 390 00:24:52.759 --> 00:24:56.680 some of the Fabe you're the coolest hobbies you've heard about, either on your 391 00:24:56.720 --> 00:25:00.640 show or outside of your show. This is one night bring up a lot 392 00:25:00.880 --> 00:25:04.440 and the kind of this necessarily well, it gives me inspiration and it writkes 393 00:25:04.519 --> 00:25:08.440 me like happy that I do this more and more. So I believe the 394 00:25:08.599 --> 00:25:12.640 episode twenty seven, I interview people from all around the world and this individual 395 00:25:12.880 --> 00:25:18.680 was from the Republic of North Macedonia and he is blind, but as he 396 00:25:18.799 --> 00:25:22.599 was going blind, he was also a software engineer and he loved Playing Board 397 00:25:22.640 --> 00:25:26.960 Games and he knew he had a life changing events. Slowly, his iceight 398 00:25:27.079 --> 00:25:32.400 was deteriorating, deteriorating, and he decided to make an APP for himself so 399 00:25:32.519 --> 00:25:33.920 he can read it, can read the cards of his favorite board game, 400 00:25:33.960 --> 00:25:38.799 which is secret Hitler, so he can keep on playing it afterwards, so 401 00:25:38.920 --> 00:25:42.279 after he loses society, can still enjoy his favorite game with his friends. 402 00:25:42.440 --> 00:25:45.839 That's amazing and like for me. Yeah, that's the idea. Is the 403 00:25:45.920 --> 00:25:51.480 idea that hobbies it brings you joy. That for somebody like that to go 404 00:25:51.680 --> 00:25:55.720 through such a life changing event like losing one of your senses and try to 405 00:25:55.759 --> 00:26:00.160 find an optimistic side to benefit from it. And why not benefit from but 406 00:26:00.240 --> 00:26:03.200 like adapt to it, makes me feel like people have gone to so many 407 00:26:03.319 --> 00:26:08.680 extreme extents to just enjoy their hobby because their hobbies played such a significant role 408 00:26:10.240 --> 00:26:12.279 in dealing with less say, your depression, their anxiety. Yeah, I 409 00:26:12.359 --> 00:26:17.839 had a girl from Sweden. She listened to my podcasts and she said she 410 00:26:18.480 --> 00:26:21.440 was talking about it with her therapist, because I invite everybody, doesn't God, 411 00:26:21.480 --> 00:26:22.960 doesn't matter who you are, where you're from. If you love your 412 00:26:23.000 --> 00:26:26.559 hobby, that's your more than welcome to be a guest on my show. 413 00:26:26.920 --> 00:26:30.480 and She's speaking to her therapist and her therapist at give it a try actually 414 00:26:30.519 --> 00:26:32.839 like you know what I will. And then she came on. We really 415 00:26:32.880 --> 00:26:37.559 connected and she got to share her hobby, which I believe was making diy 416 00:26:37.799 --> 00:26:41.599 home cleaning products. So well, figure out different things to be environmentally friendly 417 00:26:41.680 --> 00:26:47.039 to say home. I've interview people who do plogging or yeah, plogging, 418 00:26:47.119 --> 00:26:51.799 which is picking up trash while jogging. Well, so that's cool. And 419 00:26:52.000 --> 00:26:56.640 then another guy in Scotland who does herbexing, which is exploring abandoned buildings. 420 00:26:56.839 --> 00:27:00.599 Yeah, yeah, I love that. So, yeah, there's hobbies from 421 00:27:00.880 --> 00:27:03.759 all walks of life. Some people are like more extroverted, hobbies somewhere more 422 00:27:03.880 --> 00:27:08.039 introverted, and I love learning more about every one of them. Yeah, 423 00:27:08.200 --> 00:27:12.839 what do you like about your hobbies right now? Um, who all my 424 00:27:12.920 --> 00:27:17.640 hobbies? My wife says I'm a very creative person. I always like to 425 00:27:17.720 --> 00:27:22.039 create things. Yeah, and I guess with my hobbies like the music, 426 00:27:22.400 --> 00:27:26.000 yeah, pretty good element to create things. PODCAST I get to not be 427 00:27:26.200 --> 00:27:30.440 asked creative, but I get to be more technical, which I love. 428 00:27:30.559 --> 00:27:33.920 With the audio and the creative side I let to I guess it's more of 429 00:27:33.039 --> 00:27:37.599 how I adapt my conversation with my guests. So that's my creative side. 430 00:27:37.720 --> 00:27:41.119 Yep, and the Board Game I'm working on. That is creating a board 431 00:27:41.200 --> 00:27:44.440 game. Let's talk about that, because that kind of intersects a couple of 432 00:27:44.519 --> 00:27:48.640 things and I'm curious about that because I'm always curious about people who are authors 433 00:27:48.720 --> 00:27:52.400 and right books, invent toys and board games and things like that. So 434 00:27:52.119 --> 00:27:59.119 you've got a new product around podcasting called pitch that pod. It's not out 435 00:27:59.240 --> 00:28:00.680 yet, but you're working on development. So if you people want to get 436 00:28:00.720 --> 00:28:04.200 in on it and just watch it happen and kind of follow Alex's journey on 437 00:28:04.279 --> 00:28:08.720 that, for one, go to at pitch that pod on twitter. And, 438 00:28:10.359 --> 00:28:14.240 just to reminder, we're talking to Alex Hobby of the time for your 439 00:28:14.359 --> 00:28:18.279 hobby podcast. So please, if you like what you're hearing, pause this 440 00:28:18.400 --> 00:28:22.519 podcast real quick and go save those things so you can get back to him 441 00:28:22.559 --> 00:28:25.680 when you're done. All right. Yeah, so let's let's get onto the 442 00:28:25.720 --> 00:28:27.240 board game. How how did you come up with an idea? Why did 443 00:28:27.279 --> 00:28:30.240 you think you needed a board game? Or again, is it a hobby? 444 00:28:30.799 --> 00:28:34.440 Is the creation of the board game part of Your Hobby? So, 445 00:28:34.880 --> 00:28:40.119 okay, how did I come up with a topic? So I've been podcasting 446 00:28:40.359 --> 00:28:44.319 for three and a half years and I always enjoyed loving, enjoyed loving, 447 00:28:44.359 --> 00:28:48.880 I always enjoyed playing board games and I love the game sneak oil, which 448 00:28:49.079 --> 00:28:52.079 is a pitching game. You can bind two cards together and you pitch this 449 00:28:52.160 --> 00:28:56.079 new idea to a client or what let's say, yeah, it sounds awesome. 450 00:28:56.880 --> 00:29:00.680 So for me I'm like, I love that Improv game and I see 451 00:29:00.680 --> 00:29:03.599 you on twitter a lot of people saying, Oh, I want to talk 452 00:29:03.680 --> 00:29:06.920 about something for this next episode. Any suggestions? I want to find ideas, 453 00:29:07.000 --> 00:29:07.960 and I'm like, you know what, there could be a game around 454 00:29:08.039 --> 00:29:11.799 that where people just pitch ridiculous ideas, but my end up being something they 455 00:29:11.839 --> 00:29:15.880 can talk about during the show. So I created a game and I'm still 456 00:29:15.960 --> 00:29:18.359 going through the play test. I think I've done around twenty. I want 457 00:29:18.359 --> 00:29:21.839 to aim for a hundred because there's always rules changing. I want to make 458 00:29:21.880 --> 00:29:25.920 sure the mechanics works. But the way this game works is basically you combining 459 00:29:26.000 --> 00:29:30.240 cards and then you have to adapt to another card and pitch that podcast and 460 00:29:30.519 --> 00:29:34.599 there's different elements that come into play and there's that connecting and there's even a 461 00:29:34.680 --> 00:29:37.880 wrench throwing in. They try to keep you on your feet and the way 462 00:29:37.960 --> 00:29:44.519 I'm making the game is try to do it so it's good for introverted and 463 00:29:44.720 --> 00:29:48.799 extroverter people. So the scoring mechanism might give a benefit for both individuals playing. 464 00:29:51.640 --> 00:29:56.519 In terms of the development, I did everything on Canava for the design. 465 00:29:56.559 --> 00:29:59.640 I'm a graphic designer but I love doing it right. Yeah, Sau 466 00:29:59.680 --> 00:30:02.319 see, there you go as I suck at doing it and I just but 467 00:30:02.400 --> 00:30:04.880 I love messing around with shapes and colors and do different things and learning more. 468 00:30:04.960 --> 00:30:08.039 I'm trying to learn more about photoshop and stuff like that. I have 469 00:30:08.400 --> 00:30:11.720 no knowledge of it, and this is the same with a Dubie addition. 470 00:30:11.839 --> 00:30:15.960 I had no knowledge of it, but it's more of like Ah, but 471 00:30:15.119 --> 00:30:18.000 I just trial and error try it out. If it works, it works. 472 00:30:18.000 --> 00:30:21.240 If it doesn't work, it doesn't work. There's always something else. 473 00:30:21.440 --> 00:30:26.160 Yeah, and curiosity. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And then I ended 474 00:30:26.240 --> 00:30:30.920 up joining a bunch of discord groups related to a tabletop gaming and designers, 475 00:30:30.960 --> 00:30:33.960 so that everybody play test each other's games and helped each other out, and 476 00:30:33.079 --> 00:30:37.920 I ended up making my game virtually as well now, so it can be 477 00:30:37.000 --> 00:30:41.480 played online with your friends, so it can go through more play tests. 478 00:30:41.119 --> 00:30:45.960 And for me it's a creedive outlook because one I get to create the cards, 479 00:30:47.440 --> 00:30:49.759 I wrote the rules, and this also helps my dyslexia as well, 480 00:30:51.119 --> 00:30:55.720 trying to make things that are more understandable right, and I just love the 481 00:30:55.799 --> 00:31:00.000 challenge. I'm putting myself into positions that I would usually do, but it 482 00:31:00.359 --> 00:31:03.720 pushes me to try something new and now I have one prototype. I want 483 00:31:03.720 --> 00:31:07.160 to make more. But now I'm stuck on the idea. Do I self 484 00:31:07.319 --> 00:31:11.359 publish, or do I pitch it to a publisher, like a big company, 485 00:31:11.400 --> 00:31:14.000 let's say, for has well, for example, or I do it 486 00:31:14.119 --> 00:31:15.920 myself? If I pitch it to has row, they take all the rules, 487 00:31:17.039 --> 00:31:18.400 everything, they have the creative aspect yet. But if I work to 488 00:31:18.480 --> 00:31:22.960 pitch it, are publishing myself. I get to keep the rules, the 489 00:31:22.640 --> 00:31:27.079 created elements and go into direction I wanted to go. So yeah, but 490 00:31:27.519 --> 00:31:30.880 I just love it. I've been playing in it for a while and in 491 00:31:32.039 --> 00:31:34.400 between my editing time and also in between my family time, family comes first. 492 00:31:34.559 --> 00:31:37.799 Got To make that the priority. Yeah, yeah, of course. 493 00:31:37.319 --> 00:31:41.160 But to our point, I mean it's great to have a hobby and the 494 00:31:41.480 --> 00:31:45.039 idea that you're sharing that you have a hobby. That means your wife and 495 00:31:45.440 --> 00:31:48.440 kids get they could all have hobbies. Let's I mean it's kind of like 496 00:31:48.559 --> 00:31:53.960 an in your household. Hobbies are an approved thing. Yeah, my wife 497 00:31:55.000 --> 00:31:56.680 has a little so we have a bar in the basement, just a bar 498 00:31:56.799 --> 00:32:00.079 and a little island. Yeah, but we don't really drink, so my 499 00:32:00.240 --> 00:32:04.039 wife turn it into a little art studio. So the sink is right there. 500 00:32:04.759 --> 00:32:07.720 Has Painting, so she paints right in the corner. That's for a 501 00:32:07.759 --> 00:32:10.200 little nook. That's right. I took up painting over the pandemic too. 502 00:32:10.359 --> 00:32:14.559 I got it, my easel and my paints all over there, ironically, 503 00:32:14.680 --> 00:32:16.119 right next to the kitchen, because I need to think. So that's a 504 00:32:16.200 --> 00:32:21.160 perfect art studio. And snacks. You can't forget snacks. Never plus, 505 00:32:21.240 --> 00:32:23.720 it's you're hiding your away from everybody. It's like, oh, mom's in 506 00:32:23.759 --> 00:32:29.640 their studio. Yeah, sleeve or beast, he's being created. That's awesome. 507 00:32:29.880 --> 00:32:34.640 He's ear thinking space. Yeah, how do you do? You placed 508 00:32:34.680 --> 00:32:39.200 in it much importance on measuring the progress of your cut, let's call it 509 00:32:39.279 --> 00:32:42.920 a hobby. But I mean even if you do a hobby that does nothing. 510 00:32:43.000 --> 00:32:45.759 So say you rake gravel, so you have a gravel garden, like 511 00:32:45.880 --> 00:32:50.599 at when you a Japanese Zen Garden things, and you can ever be perfect 512 00:32:50.680 --> 00:32:53.559 at it. You're always just practicing. Is Do you think it's important to 513 00:32:53.599 --> 00:33:00.039 measure progress in a hobby? It's it depends on the individuals, but I 514 00:33:00.079 --> 00:33:06.440 would say it's more of a short term progress measurement in a sense that that 515 00:33:06.680 --> 00:33:10.000 day you should do your hobby for how you feel, not like, okay, 516 00:33:10.039 --> 00:33:13.920 I'm going to do this hobby for how I'm going to develop it for 517 00:33:14.039 --> 00:33:15.480 the futures. Like, let's say today you have a really stressful day and 518 00:33:15.559 --> 00:33:19.440 you want to play some more music. Go ahead, play as long as 519 00:33:19.480 --> 00:33:21.920 you want. You don't need to put yourself on a schedule per se. 520 00:33:22.559 --> 00:33:24.839 I did it for my podcast because I do weekly, but I know if 521 00:33:24.920 --> 00:33:28.920 I have another kid it will break down to maybe once a month and I'm 522 00:33:28.960 --> 00:33:31.359 okay with that. The idea is that I'm making time for everything and I've 523 00:33:31.519 --> 00:33:35.839 got over two hundred episodes. I think I made enough time, but I 524 00:33:35.920 --> 00:33:38.839 want to make more. But it priority first and it does fulfill what I 525 00:33:38.880 --> 00:33:43.039 would like to do and I don't feel like I have to push myself for 526 00:33:43.119 --> 00:33:46.359 other hobbies, like music. I haven't done music in a few years, 527 00:33:46.519 --> 00:33:50.720 but I know I can get back into it and I'll be great. I'M 528 00:33:50.720 --> 00:33:54.480 gonna get my abilities have gone down, but I'm always willing to good back 529 00:33:54.640 --> 00:33:59.680 and learn more and there's no rush and there's no goal I'm trying to reach. 530 00:33:59.799 --> 00:34:00.839 Like the same with my podcast, for example. I'm not trying to 531 00:34:00.960 --> 00:34:05.960 be the number one podcast. My goal with the PODCAST is simply if my 532 00:34:06.200 --> 00:34:09.760 podcast can help somebody have a better day or, I'm get out of not 533 00:34:09.800 --> 00:34:14.119 get out of depression, but help with their depression, anxiety or anything else, 534 00:34:14.559 --> 00:34:17.559 then that's that's when I'm happy. I'm happy for that and I love 535 00:34:17.679 --> 00:34:21.559 the idea that it's indirect like, I mean never know, but maybe there's 536 00:34:21.559 --> 00:34:24.400 a I made an impact on one person that made their day better. Yeah, 537 00:34:24.440 --> 00:34:27.840 I'd love that. That's good enough for me. It's like a message 538 00:34:27.880 --> 00:34:29.920 in a bottle kind of thing. It's like, okay, I'm sending out 539 00:34:30.039 --> 00:34:34.159 a kind message here and I hope whoever finds it has a nice day kind 540 00:34:34.199 --> 00:34:37.280 of thing. Yeah, that's the same thing for ice. So I just 541 00:34:37.400 --> 00:34:40.000 sent you some tools for podcasting. In the back of my mind, I'm 542 00:34:40.039 --> 00:34:43.719 sending this not to try to get a benefit from it, but I'm thinking 543 00:34:44.280 --> 00:34:46.440 by me sending this to you, you're probably going to improve your podcast. 544 00:34:46.519 --> 00:34:51.599 That may help somebody else get out of the dark space. Yeah, I'm 545 00:34:51.639 --> 00:34:52.760 like, you know what, that's cool. That's that's what I want to 546 00:34:52.800 --> 00:34:55.480 do it for. Yeah, and and to that end, we're really just 547 00:34:55.519 --> 00:34:59.880 trying to make cool things, like a cool podcast. I just wanted to 548 00:34:59.920 --> 00:35:04.280 sound ride. I wanted to have all the right working parts of a professional 549 00:35:04.440 --> 00:35:07.639 podcast, of one that gets paid. But I'm except for that piece. 550 00:35:07.679 --> 00:35:09.239 I don't need that piece. I have a job. I mean, everything's 551 00:35:09.519 --> 00:35:15.320 normal. So, yeah, I think that parts just really important. But, 552 00:35:15.480 --> 00:35:19.000 and I brought that up because podcasting as a hobby, like what do 553 00:35:19.079 --> 00:35:22.719 you do? Okay, well, I enjoy KNOBS and buttons. I like 554 00:35:22.920 --> 00:35:25.760 gear, I like going into Guitar Center and just fiddling around. That's enjoyable 555 00:35:25.800 --> 00:35:29.400 for me. I'll do that on a Saturday instead of go to target and 556 00:35:29.519 --> 00:35:32.599 run my regular errands. HMM, like I'll get in trouble from running the 557 00:35:32.679 --> 00:35:36.840 wrong errands. Like Oh yeah, how is it? Guitars, you go 558 00:35:36.960 --> 00:35:38.880 get the stuff that target? No, tell me know that. This was 559 00:35:38.920 --> 00:35:43.840 an emergency. Yeah, it had to be done. And then in with 560 00:35:44.840 --> 00:35:46.599 I don't think the industries care what we do either. They don't care for 561 00:35:46.719 --> 00:35:52.039 hobbyists or professionals, because I'm sure in music and in podcasting they sell way 562 00:35:52.199 --> 00:35:58.559 more gear and subscriptions to hobbyists than they do to professionals. So that's why 563 00:35:58.599 --> 00:36:00.800 I'm always thinking, like, don't bash people over the head because they want 564 00:36:00.840 --> 00:36:06.239 to have a pastime. It seems so just because it's a good idea for 565 00:36:06.320 --> 00:36:09.760 you doesn't make it a good idea for everybody. I feel like sometimes there's 566 00:36:09.760 --> 00:36:15.239 people projecting their own insecurities, and I don't mean that in a real, 567 00:36:15.360 --> 00:36:17.599 like an eat bashful way, but like somebody's like, Oh, you have 568 00:36:17.800 --> 00:36:22.760 I don't have time for a hobby. Like okay, but like instead of 569 00:36:22.800 --> 00:36:24.039 saying Oh, unfortunately, I don't have time for a hobby, I'm too 570 00:36:24.119 --> 00:36:28.039 busy with this in life and I have seven kids, comes out like yeah, 571 00:36:28.119 --> 00:36:30.199 but it's more of those people like Oh, you have a hobby. 572 00:36:31.360 --> 00:36:35.440 Yeah, it's the same people say, I don't watch sports or I don't 573 00:36:35.559 --> 00:36:38.800 watch TV whatever. Okay, cool, well, maybe should get a hobby. 574 00:36:39.800 --> 00:36:43.800 Most of the people that, if you've heard old people say, well, 575 00:36:43.880 --> 00:36:46.039 that guy needs a hobby. Well, that's that's so fucking true today, 576 00:36:46.159 --> 00:36:50.119 like a lot of people just need to actual hobby. Nope, not 577 00:36:50.360 --> 00:36:52.679 something that you think you're gonna be good at, that you could flip into 578 00:36:52.719 --> 00:36:57.920 money. Know, something that specifically cost you money that will never ever make 579 00:36:57.960 --> 00:37:00.800 you money. That's what more people need. HMM, because it has so 580 00:37:00.960 --> 00:37:05.719 much benefit to your mental health. Yeah, hobbies, hobbies, especially in 581 00:37:05.960 --> 00:37:08.639 like since two thousand and twenty, for example, think the world's just getting 582 00:37:08.760 --> 00:37:14.960 more and more chaotic and having something to ease your mind helps you deal with 583 00:37:15.039 --> 00:37:17.920 the madness. It does. And you can tell people who don't have hobbies 584 00:37:19.079 --> 00:37:22.800 by the way they act. HMM, yeah, it's they're really uptight. 585 00:37:23.360 --> 00:37:27.599 They look down on people. Well, and yeah, and a lot of 586 00:37:27.679 --> 00:37:30.119 them just think they know, they know it all, and they might know 587 00:37:30.199 --> 00:37:34.519 it all for their individual perspective, but they don't realize there's seven billion people 588 00:37:34.639 --> 00:37:38.559 on the earth and we all have seven billion different perspective. So barking around 589 00:37:38.639 --> 00:37:42.239 that you have the right way and you found the holy grail and by God, 590 00:37:42.280 --> 00:37:45.000 if you can make money, then you should make money. I'm like 591 00:37:45.079 --> 00:37:47.679 no, no, no, no, hold line right there, have some 592 00:37:47.840 --> 00:37:52.599 fun with life, relax, you know, to have your day job. 593 00:37:52.800 --> 00:37:57.480 Set some boundaries between your hobbies and your in your passions and your interest I 594 00:37:57.679 --> 00:38:00.960 was think it's interesting too, because I have lots of interest that don't quite 595 00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:05.239 make it to the hobby status. Almost like an Amazon wish list. Just 596 00:38:05.360 --> 00:38:07.960 save the things I'll get into one day, archery, and like to get 597 00:38:08.000 --> 00:38:12.559 into archery one day. That would be fun. Have you ever heard of 598 00:38:12.719 --> 00:38:15.360 archery tag? No, whole dude, that sounds awesome. What are you 599 00:38:15.440 --> 00:38:19.639 shooting at each other? Like just something on the and the end of the 600 00:38:19.760 --> 00:38:22.440 Arrow instead of a pokey thing. Yeah, so, but, yeah, 601 00:38:22.519 --> 00:38:23.400 so we have it in my city. There's a few of them. I 602 00:38:23.440 --> 00:38:27.599 don't know be might have it in your city, but basically think of dodgeball, 603 00:38:28.480 --> 00:38:31.159 but everybody has bone arrows and at the end of the Arrow it's like 604 00:38:31.239 --> 00:38:36.159 a giant marshmallow and you play like behind targets. So, Dude, I'm 605 00:38:36.239 --> 00:38:39.079 bringing this here. So right now I'm in a place called Oklahoma City and 606 00:38:39.440 --> 00:38:45.400 when I moved here I found out that they're super into Frisbee Golf. So 607 00:38:45.639 --> 00:38:50.400 they've gone these massive, huge parks just day dedicated to frisbee golfing. But 608 00:38:50.559 --> 00:38:55.039 I'm thinking, man, that is the also a perfect park for archery tag? 609 00:38:55.760 --> 00:39:00.199 Yeah, it's Super Fun, right, because the lots of tree he's 610 00:39:00.280 --> 00:39:02.960 like wooded areas and and things. The hide behind just enough so you don't 611 00:39:02.960 --> 00:39:07.960 get tagged. And a lot more running than laser tag, that's for sure. 612 00:39:07.000 --> 00:39:10.159 If you just have more one more space and not nearly as painful. 613 00:39:10.199 --> 00:39:15.360 It sounds like as paintball? No, not at all. Okay, unless 614 00:39:15.400 --> 00:39:20.840 you get into a special spot the yeah, get tagging nets, put eye 615 00:39:20.880 --> 00:39:23.440 out or something, but otherwise, man, that's just sounds freaking fun. 616 00:39:23.480 --> 00:39:25.760 I'M gonna have to look that up on the Internet. What a great hobby. 617 00:39:27.000 --> 00:39:29.440 Have you tried that yet? Yeah, I love it. My Wife. 618 00:39:29.719 --> 00:39:31.960 I play with my wife and my wife's Korean and Kreen's in the Olympics 619 00:39:32.000 --> 00:39:36.159 are apparently really good with archery. Ok, and so my wife's like, 620 00:39:36.280 --> 00:39:37.800 no, I don't want to do this, I want to do something like 621 00:39:37.840 --> 00:39:38.599 come, I will do it, and we started playing, and then we 622 00:39:38.679 --> 00:39:42.079 did with other people and friends. So they all I'm not good. And 623 00:39:42.159 --> 00:39:45.880 then two seconds later, is as if she likes switched on some her competitive 624 00:39:45.960 --> 00:39:50.039 switch with you, wanted to be smoothe and just annihilated everybody and I walked 625 00:39:50.039 --> 00:39:52.119 off like see, I'm not getting like you're lying. You're lying. I 626 00:39:52.119 --> 00:39:57.239 don't trust you anymore. You're going to conflict the accuracy. She's an archery 627 00:39:57.360 --> 00:40:00.079 shark. Yeah, she guys. I got this. I'm sure she was 628 00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:02.239 in the Olympics in your past life. Yeah, like, Oh, I 629 00:40:02.320 --> 00:40:05.840 forgot to tell you. We do this in middle school for three years, 630 00:40:07.079 --> 00:40:09.239 just nine pm to two am. Yeah, that's half the morning. That's 631 00:40:09.320 --> 00:40:13.280 funny, man. But yeah, that that does sound like cool hobbies. 632 00:40:13.320 --> 00:40:15.760 I'm always in the interest for interesting hobbies. And to your point, yeah, 633 00:40:15.960 --> 00:40:20.519 if it's a hobby like, for example, I play the drum. 634 00:40:20.599 --> 00:40:22.840 So I hear a crazy song, I'm like who, I want to learn 635 00:40:22.880 --> 00:40:24.599 that song? Why? I'm not trying to play it. I'm not going 636 00:40:24.639 --> 00:40:29.639 to try to get that guy's Gig in his band and I'm not. I 637 00:40:29.679 --> 00:40:34.239 don't like live stream drum videos or anything like that. It's not it's just 638 00:40:34.320 --> 00:40:36.519 for me. I just want to learn to see if I can do it, 639 00:40:37.480 --> 00:40:40.039 and so then practice, practice, practice, but I notice the other 640 00:40:40.079 --> 00:40:43.679 day I'm like, Nah, fuck this part of my friends. I just 641 00:40:43.760 --> 00:40:45.280 I'm like that this I'm this is not me. Today I'm like that's a 642 00:40:45.360 --> 00:40:49.400 stupid song. You know, three days later I'm back there. Okay, 643 00:40:49.400 --> 00:40:52.440 I think I can get it this time. So there is something like continual 644 00:40:52.599 --> 00:40:57.079 mastery of something that you're not being paid to do. Is is great and 645 00:40:57.239 --> 00:40:59.880 no. If you could get paid to do it, would you know? 646 00:41:00.360 --> 00:41:01.840 No, it would wreck it. Some of these things. I would definitely 647 00:41:01.920 --> 00:41:05.199 wreck it if I got paid to do it, because then your mind shifts 648 00:41:05.639 --> 00:41:09.159 into focus more about making the money then making a good product, MMM, 649 00:41:09.719 --> 00:41:14.039 or good hobby or I don't want to call her product necessarily because we're selling 650 00:41:14.079 --> 00:41:19.519 it, but a good piece. There's a quote from Harold and Kumar, 651 00:41:19.760 --> 00:41:23.039 the first movie. It kind of applies. I'm transli translating a little bit, 652 00:41:23.039 --> 00:41:25.800 but Iteah, basically the guys saying, just because you have a big 653 00:41:25.880 --> 00:41:30.239 Dick doesn't mean you have to do porn. Oh yeah, no, that's 654 00:41:30.280 --> 00:41:32.480 just like what one of my relatives, my Grandpa, used to say. 655 00:41:34.239 --> 00:41:37.559 Just because you can drive attractor with your feet doesn't make it a good idea. 656 00:41:37.440 --> 00:41:39.639 I've always a thought that. I'm like, just because you can, 657 00:41:39.880 --> 00:41:43.199 just be can. People say, Oh, why did you climb a mountain? 658 00:41:43.280 --> 00:41:45.760 Because you could. I'm like, well, just because you can doesn't 659 00:41:45.760 --> 00:41:49.519 mean you should. So to each their own. And there's so much you 660 00:41:49.599 --> 00:41:52.199 know, everybody's a guru and a professional and has a hack for something on 661 00:41:52.320 --> 00:41:57.519 the Internet. I'm like that and you can't mean they're entitled to go do 662 00:41:57.599 --> 00:42:00.800 what they want to. But we're losing. I guess it's kind of like 663 00:42:00.880 --> 00:42:02.800 the social media argument. People say, Oh, well, social media is 664 00:42:02.920 --> 00:42:07.320 ruining kids, and I don't think that's true. I think it's what the 665 00:42:07.400 --> 00:42:10.079 kids are missing out on is what's ruining kids. Like when you're in social 666 00:42:10.239 --> 00:42:13.920 on social media L Day, it might not be necessarily bad for you, 667 00:42:14.559 --> 00:42:19.159 but missing out on hanging out with your friends in person and hugging and holding 668 00:42:19.239 --> 00:42:22.840 hands and climbing trees and things like that. That's that's the thing that they're 669 00:42:22.840 --> 00:42:25.119 missing and it's sort of the the same way with hobbies. If you are 670 00:42:25.320 --> 00:42:29.360 trying to make money, you are missing the key aspect of the hobby, 671 00:42:30.079 --> 00:42:31.280 which is, in the longer, becomes a hobby. Yeah, and its 672 00:42:31.480 --> 00:42:34.840 like if you're trying to get it into you like your main source of income. 673 00:42:35.280 --> 00:42:37.280 Yeah, it becomes your or even a side source of incoming. It 674 00:42:37.360 --> 00:42:40.679 can be, like you said, like you get patreon and inevitably some hobbies 675 00:42:40.719 --> 00:42:45.079 just going to get better at and money will start leaking in, no matter 676 00:42:45.159 --> 00:42:49.280 how hard you try to prevent it from coming in. But once it flips 677 00:42:49.320 --> 00:42:52.599 and becomes that's my prime drive. I'm not going to talk about I'm going 678 00:42:52.639 --> 00:42:54.360 to have to start asking people for things to talk about on my podcast. 679 00:42:54.400 --> 00:42:57.320 I don't even know what to talk about anymore. So I'm going to start 680 00:42:57.320 --> 00:42:59.719 asking people what to talk about. But goddamn it, I'm going to make 681 00:42:59.760 --> 00:43:01.760 a podcast every day because I need the money. That kind of Shit. 682 00:43:01.840 --> 00:43:06.559 It's like, no, that's just gross to me, but again, I 683 00:43:06.679 --> 00:43:09.480 accept it. I'm not trying to tell people who make money at anything to 684 00:43:09.639 --> 00:43:14.599 stop turn it back into hobby, and likewise I think it's great if people 685 00:43:14.719 --> 00:43:19.480 that make money doing things we consider hobbies would stop harassing us. Like you 686 00:43:19.599 --> 00:43:21.760 know, like we said, you're not telling your wife. Ay, how 687 00:43:21.800 --> 00:43:23.760 can you not making money with that painting? How can we not making money 688 00:43:23.840 --> 00:43:30.239 with your bug collection? Nobody does that. No, no, I'm not 689 00:43:30.400 --> 00:43:31.920 the type of person. He's like only into painting art. Cool. We're 690 00:43:31.920 --> 00:43:35.559 go to the R supply store. I buy her some things, she buys 691 00:43:35.599 --> 00:43:37.559 her things for herself. I'm like are we can turn like the whole basement 692 00:43:37.599 --> 00:43:40.239 into like a little art gallery just for us, kind of like thing, 693 00:43:40.320 --> 00:43:43.599 like yeah, hang up all your basis. I love the idea and it 694 00:43:43.760 --> 00:43:49.280 just supporting and we she encourages me for my hobbies and I encourage her. 695 00:43:49.719 --> 00:43:52.400 So it's that mutual aspect and in a way I'm excited for when my son 696 00:43:52.519 --> 00:43:55.400 picks up a hobby, whatever it is, yeah, I'm in. I'm 697 00:43:55.480 --> 00:43:59.039 not going to try to like steam roll and tell him what to do. 698 00:43:59.159 --> 00:44:01.280 Like my dad. I did taekwondo. My Dad has a bad knee, 699 00:44:01.320 --> 00:44:05.559 but he took up taekwondo for the first year to do with me, just 700 00:44:05.719 --> 00:44:09.079 to be like that father son experience. Oh yeah, that's great, I 701 00:44:09.199 --> 00:44:13.440 love that. And you don't know, I mean you probably will be overbearing 702 00:44:13.480 --> 00:44:16.000 to your kid and his hobbies. First you don't know, you don't think 703 00:44:16.079 --> 00:44:19.719 you're doing it, but eventually they'll push back and it's like, Oh, 704 00:44:19.719 --> 00:44:22.840 okay, there's the line. There's a line. Okay, didn't try not 705 00:44:22.960 --> 00:44:24.039 to be like my dad. Okay, I didn't want to take over your 706 00:44:24.079 --> 00:44:29.239 project and ruined everything. Just trying to be helpful because I see the potential, 707 00:44:29.519 --> 00:44:31.360 and I think that's a lot of what the the Gurbus do. They 708 00:44:31.440 --> 00:44:35.800 just see the potential and everybody and they just want them to, you know, 709 00:44:36.119 --> 00:44:37.679 live their best lives. But some people like, we're already living our 710 00:44:37.719 --> 00:44:40.320 best lives. Yeah, leave us alone. And kids are the same way. 711 00:44:40.360 --> 00:44:44.880 It's like I was having fun laying here on the floor flicking this bug 712 00:44:45.000 --> 00:44:47.360 around and it's like, are you sure you don't want to five hundred dollar 713 00:44:47.440 --> 00:44:52.039 gaming system? Now I'm cool, I'm a rubber band in this bug is 714 00:44:52.119 --> 00:44:55.159 fine, but now we try to force all this extra crap on people when 715 00:44:55.239 --> 00:44:59.880 sometimes it's the simpler is the better. And with hoppies I think that's really 716 00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:02.360 the case. Starts Start smalls and there's no pressure. You know you're not. 717 00:45:02.440 --> 00:45:06.920 Don't compare yourself to anybody when you're starting a hobby. Why, like, 718 00:45:07.000 --> 00:45:09.559 why would you compare yourself down somebody else? Because there's so many great 719 00:45:09.599 --> 00:45:15.679 hobby shows, on to the metal working contestant shows like we they're making swords, 720 00:45:15.119 --> 00:45:19.480 the wood working shows where they're making crazy, you know, furniture out 721 00:45:19.519 --> 00:45:22.800 of wood. So there's so many things to aspire to. But again, 722 00:45:22.880 --> 00:45:25.679 I think people just look at it through the wrong eyes. Sometimes people don't 723 00:45:25.679 --> 00:45:30.920 look in at those kind of activities now as hobbies. I think they look 724 00:45:30.920 --> 00:45:34.960 at them as something that they can do because they have the skill set for 725 00:45:35.199 --> 00:45:37.559 man. Maybe I can make money doing that, but I'm just saying, 726 00:45:37.679 --> 00:45:40.079 you know, whole back say a hobby or two for yourself. Don't try 727 00:45:40.119 --> 00:45:45.280 to turn any that everything into a money making venture, because lesson you want 728 00:45:45.320 --> 00:45:47.199 to do is burn out. Yeah, and burn out your most fun things. 729 00:45:47.360 --> 00:45:51.320 Like the one thing not to do is take the funnest thing you like 730 00:45:51.480 --> 00:45:54.480 in life and turn it into work. Let me accrude. Example, be 731 00:45:54.559 --> 00:45:58.079 like sex. If you really like sex, like lots of people do, 732 00:45:58.719 --> 00:46:00.760 the worst thing to do would be to go be a porn star. You 733 00:46:00.840 --> 00:46:05.400 know, if you're trying to turn your your fun and your passion into money, 734 00:46:05.639 --> 00:46:08.280 that's a really crude but you know vivid example of why that's a bad 735 00:46:08.320 --> 00:46:13.599 idea. And I'm not an expert, but I could imagine as well. 736 00:46:13.880 --> 00:46:16.039 Once you take out the things that were fun for you to let say I 737 00:46:16.320 --> 00:46:22.000 enjoy collecting cups, but now I have a professional cup collecting kind of like 738 00:46:22.440 --> 00:46:24.800 business where I sell cups and have a bunch of different cups. Then I 739 00:46:24.960 --> 00:46:29.320 might lead, and this is case by case situation. I'm really lead to 740 00:46:29.360 --> 00:46:34.559 something else to deal with my emotions, whether it's a drug or alcohol or 741 00:46:34.679 --> 00:46:37.719 something else that might treader. Yeah, because I couldn't find something else to 742 00:46:37.960 --> 00:46:42.480 fit in that empty space. Yeah, like raging at others on the Internet 743 00:46:42.519 --> 00:46:45.760 to do it my way. I mean sometimes that happens. I'm going to 744 00:46:45.800 --> 00:46:49.760 go drink whiskey and rant about why other people are doing it wrong. That 745 00:46:49.920 --> 00:46:53.840 becomes a thing. Like find a hobby and and let people have hobbies. 746 00:46:54.280 --> 00:47:00.039 What are you athletic, but what do you think about athletic stuff as hobbies? 747 00:47:00.920 --> 00:47:04.039 Yeah, as long if it's something to do in your free time it 748 00:47:04.119 --> 00:47:06.679 makes you happy. Yeah, that's a hobby because you like, like I 749 00:47:06.719 --> 00:47:09.760 said, my grandmother, she for her eighty birthday, she did the commuter 750 00:47:09.920 --> 00:47:14.079 to Santiago walk, which is like eight hundred kilometers, wow, and she 751 00:47:14.199 --> 00:47:15.639 said, you know what I'm maybe I'll do it, and she walked it. 752 00:47:15.960 --> 00:47:20.360 Yeah, she just did, and she she did it to raise funny 753 00:47:20.559 --> 00:47:23.079 money for a fundraiser for her elderly care at home. So, but she 754 00:47:23.159 --> 00:47:25.639 did it for that and then sheet. But she always walks like ten to 755 00:47:25.719 --> 00:47:30.519 fifteen kilombers every day by herself, and she's like this in my my time. 756 00:47:30.679 --> 00:47:32.960 Yeah, walking. That's racing. And Tae Kwondo's interesting too, because 757 00:47:34.480 --> 00:47:37.039 it has a benefit, like obviously you self confidence and you know you don't 758 00:47:37.039 --> 00:47:40.039 get beat up and things like that. It also does cost money, and 759 00:47:40.119 --> 00:47:45.159 there you are measuring progress. MMM. So a lot of people would say, 760 00:47:45.159 --> 00:47:46.079 oh well, it's kind of like a job. You like you're always 761 00:47:46.079 --> 00:47:49.280 trying to get better. I'm like, well, that's the mastery of the 762 00:47:49.360 --> 00:47:52.519 skill part, that's the fun part of the Hobby. Then that comes into 763 00:47:52.559 --> 00:47:55.679 the how much you're interested into it as well. Right, would you do 764 00:47:55.800 --> 00:47:59.639 it if you're not getting paid? And that's the thing. If you say 765 00:47:59.760 --> 00:48:01.039 yeah, US, I would definitely do this. If I'm not getting paid, 766 00:48:01.079 --> 00:48:06.239 then go try it without trying to get paid. I think that's the 767 00:48:06.360 --> 00:48:08.440 most in once again, take whatever I say with a grain of salt, 768 00:48:08.840 --> 00:48:12.519 but I think that's the most important thing. When you're looking for a new 769 00:48:12.599 --> 00:48:15.440 hobby or picking something that you want to consider a hobby, don't go into 770 00:48:15.559 --> 00:48:20.079 it as in a I'm going to make a lot of money out of it. 771 00:48:20.239 --> 00:48:22.159 First, once again, grain of Salid. You can take whatever I 772 00:48:22.280 --> 00:48:25.199 say and say, Alex, you're wrong, you're right, cool, but 773 00:48:25.599 --> 00:48:29.960 this is my perspective because if you go in with that mindset, and especially 774 00:48:29.960 --> 00:48:32.119 in this day and age where there's a podcasting for example, where there's so 775 00:48:32.239 --> 00:48:37.079 many different podcasts, you're it's hard to reach out to everybody. Not Everybody's 776 00:48:37.079 --> 00:48:40.400 gonna like what you have to offer. Everybody has different tastes. It's like 777 00:48:40.440 --> 00:48:44.800 going to a buffet. Yeah, maybe broccolies are going to be more popular 778 00:48:44.960 --> 00:48:49.800 than the cauliflowers, for example, and there's nothing you can necessarily do. 779 00:48:50.920 --> 00:48:53.880 But if you start harassing people, then it gets into a steep slope of 780 00:48:54.239 --> 00:48:57.800 Oh, you're trying to gate keep, to manipulate people to come see your 781 00:48:57.880 --> 00:49:00.920 thing and all listen to your thing. Yeah, now, it does get 782 00:49:00.039 --> 00:49:05.320 to be that way if you start pushing too hard. Maybe that's it. 783 00:49:05.440 --> 00:49:07.599 Just I don't know, and part of it just people pushing too hard for 784 00:49:08.840 --> 00:49:13.719 others to be more like themselves, which is kind of common. I'm not 785 00:49:13.760 --> 00:49:15.079 going to say I don't do it. I definitely went through periods of my 786 00:49:15.159 --> 00:49:17.840 life where I did a lot more of it. When I was like a 787 00:49:17.960 --> 00:49:22.559 long hair rock and roller, thought I was top of the world. Yeah, 788 00:49:22.920 --> 00:49:25.079 I've an opinion about everything and my way is the right way. And 789 00:49:25.159 --> 00:49:28.639 what do you know? Well, yeah, twenty years later, I'm like 790 00:49:28.719 --> 00:49:31.599 it now, I'm wise. Now I'm just getting shut up and let people 791 00:49:31.880 --> 00:49:36.880 burn their own bridges. Yeah, and from burning their own bridges they learn 792 00:49:37.119 --> 00:49:38.840 as well. I hope like that, that's it will being for my son. 793 00:49:39.280 --> 00:49:45.639 I want to be there the father and I want to be present in 794 00:49:45.719 --> 00:49:49.400 his life and help them guide through things. But I know if I control 795 00:49:49.440 --> 00:49:52.679 every little thing, he has to also learn some failure like and the perfect 796 00:49:52.679 --> 00:49:55.679 example is a kid learning how to walk. They fall and you get back 797 00:49:55.800 --> 00:49:59.880 up. So that's part of the learning experience and you it's really hard to 798 00:50:00.639 --> 00:50:06.880 force your own experiences to somebody's experience to make it their own agreed. Cool, 799 00:50:06.920 --> 00:50:09.679 Matt. So let's talk about how people can get ahold of you and 800 00:50:09.920 --> 00:50:15.480 how you wish that they would approach you. So, yeah, so months 801 00:50:15.480 --> 00:50:19.039 again. My name is Aleix, a hobby host of the podcast time for 802 00:50:19.039 --> 00:50:22.199 your hobby. I'm on twitter, twitter, twinter. Yet twitter is the 803 00:50:22.239 --> 00:50:24.639 new version of twitter notes. I'm actually on twitter and you can find me 804 00:50:24.679 --> 00:50:30.559 at Tfy H podcast. I'm also on Instagram at time for your hobby podcasts. 805 00:50:30.320 --> 00:50:32.880 Basically, if you just Google time for your hobby, you'll be everywhere. 806 00:50:34.000 --> 00:50:37.480 My twitter page has a Linkedin to all my other resources. I also 807 00:50:37.559 --> 00:50:42.639 have a pokat pockets. I have a bore game and working on I will 808 00:50:43.079 --> 00:50:45.760 doing some play tests right now try to figure out what works what doesn't work. 809 00:50:45.199 --> 00:50:50.119 That twitter is pitch. That pod and how you can approach me. 810 00:50:50.559 --> 00:50:52.320 Just say hi if you want to be if you want to be a guest 811 00:50:52.360 --> 00:50:55.679 on my show, tell me about your hobby. If you approach me saying 812 00:50:57.239 --> 00:51:00.639 I make million dollars, I do this, I have a successful business, 813 00:51:00.679 --> 00:51:04.599 I want to come and talk about my business in your podcast. For me 814 00:51:04.760 --> 00:51:07.760 personally, that's not who I'm looking for. So pass, but we can 815 00:51:07.800 --> 00:51:10.199 still talk. Yeah, like I've had let's talk about your hobbies, Mr 816 00:51:10.320 --> 00:51:14.679 Rich Guy, you don't exactly when you're talking about your hobbies. Just present 817 00:51:14.760 --> 00:51:17.199 me with your hobbies first. Don't tell me what you've accomplished in life, 818 00:51:17.559 --> 00:51:22.679 saying hey, I'll yeah, love making toy dolls. Right, cool, 819 00:51:22.119 --> 00:51:25.199 all right, I'm in. You don't have to impress try to impress me 820 00:51:25.320 --> 00:51:30.400 with any accomplishments. Is just impress me with your love for your hobby. 821 00:51:30.639 --> 00:51:34.000 Right, we'll get to that. If you like making jewelry, we're going 822 00:51:34.039 --> 00:51:37.320 to find out how you pay for the gold and the diamonds through the conversation. 823 00:51:37.840 --> 00:51:43.599 But it still should be a hobby. MMM, MMM, I dig 824 00:51:43.639 --> 00:51:45.639 it. You got a website up. Just use it. Used your linked 825 00:51:45.639 --> 00:51:49.679 tree for your website right now. Yeah, so, I currently just use. 826 00:51:49.719 --> 00:51:52.800 Why? I do have a website and I think it's I can pull 827 00:51:52.840 --> 00:51:57.320 it up somewhere. It's I use the free version because everything else is very 828 00:51:57.320 --> 00:52:00.039 expensive. As a hobby is expensive. Is a high the hobby. I'm 829 00:52:00.079 --> 00:52:04.480 already paying for the monthly and apparently dig care is like one thirteen hundred a 830 00:52:04.559 --> 00:52:08.320 month. So yeah, it's expensive. But my website, if I can 831 00:52:08.480 --> 00:52:14.440 fill it up right now, it is time for your hobby. Dot wickscom 832 00:52:14.880 --> 00:52:16.719 and on there. I have one of the things I'm pretty happy about. 833 00:52:17.079 --> 00:52:21.400 It's a world map. It's an interactive world map Lou where you can go 834 00:52:21.559 --> 00:52:24.239 on and you can see where all my guests are from in country wise and 835 00:52:24.360 --> 00:52:29.840 like, oh, cool, we have where I'm trying to a random country, 836 00:52:30.119 --> 00:52:31.719 Russia, for example. Oh we have Russia. Cool, this is 837 00:52:31.920 --> 00:52:35.440 a lad for Russian. That's his hobby. Click it. You can listen 838 00:52:35.440 --> 00:52:38.039 to flood right there. That's super cool. I like that. I might 839 00:52:38.119 --> 00:52:42.079 have to steal that idea. I love that a lot. I encourage it. 840 00:52:42.199 --> 00:52:45.119 Yeah, there's a great website. If you're music, you like music, 841 00:52:45.199 --> 00:52:50.880 there's a website called radio dot garden. Apparently Garden is a top level 842 00:52:50.960 --> 00:52:54.880 domain. So radio DOT garden and it looks like Google Earth Globe and it's 843 00:52:54.920 --> 00:52:58.559 got a bunch of DOTS. Those are all radio stations. You could zoom 844 00:52:58.599 --> 00:53:01.559 into and listen to radio stations all around the world right now. That's so 845 00:53:02.039 --> 00:53:06.800 cool. Yeah, you think that's awesome a lot. Unle see, I 846 00:53:06.880 --> 00:53:09.280 love that concept. Yeah, like you can travel everywhere and hear what people 847 00:53:09.320 --> 00:53:13.079 are doing, because it's fun to go to France and listen like it eleven 848 00:53:13.159 --> 00:53:17.519 o'clock on a Saturday night with disco music. They're talking about this podcast episode 849 00:53:17.639 --> 00:53:20.440 right now. That's where they can be doing. Yeah, that's right, 850 00:53:21.079 --> 00:53:24.400 so Meta. All Right, Alex, I appreciate you coming on. Man, 851 00:53:24.440 --> 00:53:27.840 thanks for spending time with me on your Saturday, and I know you 852 00:53:27.920 --> 00:53:30.519 got a kidnapping, so it sounds like we fit into the NAP schedule. 853 00:53:30.559 --> 00:53:35.079 I appreciate that too. Thanks to your wife for a sparing you during this 854 00:53:35.199 --> 00:53:38.920 time. Man, the pleasure was all mine. I had a fantastic time 855 00:53:39.119 --> 00:53:43.239 and I love this topic and if you ever want me to come back, 856 00:53:43.280 --> 00:53:47.280 I'd love to come back. You have been such a splendid, magical, 857 00:53:47.519 --> 00:53:52.079 amazing hosts that I appreciate that so connected to you. So thank you and 858 00:53:52.119 --> 00:53:55.199 I cannot wait for this episode of come out. Awesome. So, from 859 00:53:55.519 --> 00:54:00.719 the EMO Dojo, that's Alex Hobby, I'm Johnny emotions and we'll see you 860 00:54:00.840 --> 00:54:13.199 next time. Thanks, and now back to the wall.