Shaun Johnson | Art Photographer | Georgia, USA

WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:04.480 What's up friends, welcome to another exciting episode of live from Emo Dojo. 2 00:00:05.040 --> 00:00:11.789 Today we have not just any Sean Johnson, the Sellon Johnson, the famous 3 00:00:12.109 --> 00:00:19.589 nft art photographer representing Georgia United States. You can love this conversation. I 4 00:00:19.989 --> 00:00:22.859 loved it. Actually, I like talking artist a lot. I've got some 5 00:00:23.260 --> 00:00:29.179 documentary filmmakers coming up, some authors of books that are not mental health books 6 00:00:30.179 --> 00:00:36.770 and plenty of like artists, like painters and graphic designers, musicians, you 7 00:00:36.890 --> 00:00:40.770 name it, they're all coming up. I'm having a blast and I hope 8 00:00:40.929 --> 00:00:44.890 you are too. If you do like what you're listening to and you have 9 00:00:45.009 --> 00:00:50.840 it within you, please stop by apple and leave a review. I noticed 10 00:00:50.880 --> 00:00:54.679 I haven't had a review in like two years. Anyway, do that if 11 00:00:54.679 --> 00:00:56.359 you got the time. I know it's kind of a pain in the ASS, 12 00:00:57.079 --> 00:01:00.679 but it would be nice. That said, let's jump on into this. 13 00:01:00.759 --> 00:01:03.359 You're going to love this guy, man. We just chat about all 14 00:01:03.359 --> 00:01:06.989 kinds of things. We keep it light. Seems to be a very agreeable 15 00:01:06.989 --> 00:01:14.629 person and man good conversation. So live from Emo Dojo, this is Sean 16 00:01:14.709 --> 00:01:26.900 Johnson. I feel you. That paid a though that that means the field 17 00:01:26.939 --> 00:01:30.900 collector get paid. Yeah, it means the wolves are at bay for another 18 00:01:30.980 --> 00:01:34.569 week and a half or so. Absolutely. Yeah, that does suck. 19 00:01:34.650 --> 00:01:41.129 I was watching the DMX story on HBO. They got a series called music 20 00:01:41.250 --> 00:01:47.519 box where they do different stories that didn't like Kenny G and DMX and random 21 00:01:47.560 --> 00:01:51.439 bunch of people. The DMX one was awesome because they followed him from the 22 00:01:51.560 --> 00:01:56.079 day he got out of prison for tax evasion and then all the way up 23 00:01:56.120 --> 00:02:00.239 till his final day. Is Pretty intense, but one of the check that 24 00:02:00.319 --> 00:02:01.390 out. Yeah, it was awesome. Is Excellent. I was a big 25 00:02:01.430 --> 00:02:06.349 fan him. I'm like generation x, so he was writing my muttering, 26 00:02:06.390 --> 00:02:10.069 my wheelhouse. They're a man at yeah, and that dude had bipolar to 27 00:02:10.270 --> 00:02:14.270 he rarely talked about it, but once he mentioned it and that I started 28 00:02:14.310 --> 00:02:16.580 to notice what he was making the news stories for. I'm like Oh, 29 00:02:16.620 --> 00:02:21.699 yeah, yeah, definitely, that's definitely a mode right there, right, 30 00:02:22.620 --> 00:02:25.580 but he yeah, the one telling thing was he got signed to like a 31 00:02:25.659 --> 00:02:30.530 half million dollar deal back at a death cham after he got out. You 32 00:02:30.610 --> 00:02:32.530 know, they want to do like a retro town of album with them, 33 00:02:34.009 --> 00:02:36.090 and they show them in that meeting. He's like yeah, whatever, what 34 00:02:36.250 --> 00:02:38.210 her fuck Youah, sure, great, half million. Cool. Well, 35 00:02:38.409 --> 00:02:46.599 the next cut of the video they show him just fucking angry because he's on 36 00:02:46.680 --> 00:02:50.080 a phone with like his lawyer or bookkeeper, something like oh well, you 37 00:02:50.120 --> 00:02:53.240 got this three hundredzero dollar judgment here, then you got this hundred and Twentyzero 38 00:02:53.479 --> 00:02:58.240 dollar judgment, and she they're just listing all these judgment so he's basically fucking 39 00:02:58.319 --> 00:03:01.310 broke immediately after he signed a deal and like fuck yeah, isn't that how 40 00:03:01.349 --> 00:03:07.150 it goes crazy and that will yeah, Dude. So Um man, thanks 41 00:03:07.189 --> 00:03:08.110 for showing up. Thanks for being here. It's hard to get people to 42 00:03:08.150 --> 00:03:14.500 show up, and especially if you've not talked like you know it is actually 43 00:03:14.500 --> 00:03:16.460 right now. I'm sure it's fine, but that few moments right up to 44 00:03:16.580 --> 00:03:21.699 it's like a kind of nervous Oh yeah, yeah, yes, it's kind 45 00:03:21.699 --> 00:03:24.620 of difficult for me because I just I don't know if it's like I don't 46 00:03:24.620 --> 00:03:28.330 want to come off as dumb or, you know, anything like that, 47 00:03:28.409 --> 00:03:30.250 and I have a little bit of a lift. I like it. It's 48 00:03:30.289 --> 00:03:35.409 it makes you unique and one of my best friends has a way more intense 49 00:03:35.490 --> 00:03:38.569 list than that and the only time we ever fuck with each other's when we 50 00:03:38.689 --> 00:03:43.599 drink, but he has pretty good am too, because I've got bipolar disorder, 51 00:03:43.719 --> 00:03:45.719 so you know, I don't have a lot of legs to stand on 52 00:03:45.960 --> 00:03:49.639 this. So now I like it makes you unique and that's fantastic, dude. 53 00:03:49.719 --> 00:03:53.360 So yeah, greetings, welcome you. You have a great radio boy. 54 00:03:53.479 --> 00:03:57.870 Man, I like to talk. I just I like to talk. 55 00:03:58.030 --> 00:04:00.550 That's all the other like the fucking talk. I can't shut up, you 56 00:04:00.669 --> 00:04:04.550 know, just a spas. So finally, after practicing podcasting for a while, 57 00:04:04.590 --> 00:04:09.669 I think I found my niche and it's finding other creatives, because when 58 00:04:09.669 --> 00:04:13.939 I first started this podcast, it was all about mental health and then I 59 00:04:14.099 --> 00:04:15.259 read a thing that, you know, tripped me. I had a little 60 00:04:15.259 --> 00:04:17.699 bit. Said, well, you become what you focus on, and I'm 61 00:04:17.740 --> 00:04:21.500 like, oh well, the podcast is all me complaining about what was me, 62 00:04:21.740 --> 00:04:25.810 my mental health, this or that. I'm like that's what I became. 63 00:04:26.009 --> 00:04:28.009 Like well, I'm a creative person. Let me get back to that. 64 00:04:28.769 --> 00:04:31.329 And I was struggling to find like a topic for the podcast, but 65 00:04:31.449 --> 00:04:35.370 now it seems perfect. It's like people, artists specifically, who are into 66 00:04:35.410 --> 00:04:40.240 mental health and then with the dose of Technology. So yeah, we ended 67 00:04:40.279 --> 00:04:43.759 up with NFTS for the past several weeks. I'm digging it. I love 68 00:04:43.839 --> 00:04:46.839 it. Hey, yeah, I love you. I Love Your Voice on 69 00:04:46.959 --> 00:04:48.800 twitter. To this is we'll get into this. This is cool because on 70 00:04:48.879 --> 00:04:54.670 twitter everyone has a different voice, like is it, and mine is typically 71 00:04:54.829 --> 00:04:59.949 fuck the man, fuck everything and Fuck all fascist type ideas. Right, 72 00:04:59.949 --> 00:05:02.750 right, and I think you share that with me a lot, and I 73 00:05:02.829 --> 00:05:09.060 could tell and a lot of your photography it's very social justice oriented, very 74 00:05:09.100 --> 00:05:12.860 much. So I love that. How did you get well, how did 75 00:05:12.899 --> 00:05:16.259 we cross paths on twitter? I think I follow people who's already like and 76 00:05:16.300 --> 00:05:20.810 I love your photography. After I get done with my emo Dojo kind of 77 00:05:20.850 --> 00:05:25.610 concept art project, I'm going to get back to photography, which is my 78 00:05:25.689 --> 00:05:30.889 real passion, and yours really stood out. I appreciate that. How did 79 00:05:30.889 --> 00:05:32.970 you get started, dude? How did you get started? First and photography, 80 00:05:32.970 --> 00:05:39.759 or was it something else entirely? Well, UM, so I've it's 81 00:05:39.800 --> 00:05:43.519 gonna found kind of dumb maybe, but I've always had thought of a feeling 82 00:05:43.720 --> 00:05:48.240 in thought of where I'm supposed to do something important. Yeah, and and 83 00:05:48.439 --> 00:05:51.550 that's kind of like sent me on a path of trying to figure out what 84 00:05:51.670 --> 00:05:58.389 it is, and I've gotten to where I was starting to write. I 85 00:05:58.550 --> 00:06:03.230 tried screenwriting and I didn't do very well at it. It was some the 86 00:06:03.420 --> 00:06:08.699 theme was really hard to kind of fit fit in there, and that would 87 00:06:08.699 --> 00:06:11.259 make me a little bit depressed. And then there were things, you know, 88 00:06:11.459 --> 00:06:16.019 going on in the world with humanity and social issue for sure, would 89 00:06:16.060 --> 00:06:20.610 bother me and I wanted to express it and I wasn't good at writing like 90 00:06:20.689 --> 00:06:28.009 I was saying, so I decided to express it in pictures. I could 91 00:06:28.050 --> 00:06:31.610 say what I wanted to say, would putting things together and making a clear 92 00:06:31.769 --> 00:06:35.920 point, and once it got out of me, then I had a relief, 93 00:06:35.959 --> 00:06:40.720 a relief, a lightning of the weight, and I felt much better. 94 00:06:41.040 --> 00:06:45.120 I feel that. Yeah, I definitely that lightning that you mentioned. 95 00:06:45.160 --> 00:06:48.389 It's almost like true artist. I don't want to like say there's false artist, 96 00:06:48.470 --> 00:06:51.829 but I mean the ones that I am gravitated towards seem to have to 97 00:06:51.949 --> 00:06:55.350 have something that got to get out of them, like you're not going to 98 00:06:55.430 --> 00:06:58.910 stop until it actually gets out, whether it's in the form of music or 99 00:06:58.949 --> 00:07:00.620 writing and, in your case, photography. Is that kind of how you 100 00:07:00.660 --> 00:07:03.379 felt like it just it's coming out one way or the other. It has 101 00:07:03.459 --> 00:07:09.139 to come out at this is untenable the way it is now. Absolutely because, 102 00:07:10.220 --> 00:07:15.730 you know, with you know a lot of the light with George Floyd. 103 00:07:15.009 --> 00:07:20.089 Yeah, and watching all that that that really bothered me and I feel 104 00:07:20.129 --> 00:07:25.410 like I needed to say something. Right. Maybe it wasn't directly, you 105 00:07:25.529 --> 00:07:30.079 know, related to that incident, but the overall the aspect of it, 106 00:07:30.319 --> 00:07:33.759 and it sort of torments me inside, like I just got to get this 107 00:07:33.920 --> 00:07:40.040 out and then I'll come up with the idea, I'll put it together and 108 00:07:40.319 --> 00:07:44.079 take the picture and edit it and once it's all done, it over with, 109 00:07:44.279 --> 00:07:46.990 I can look at it and I can feel the relief that I said 110 00:07:46.990 --> 00:07:51.189 what I needed to say. Yeah, yeah, when you were trying to 111 00:07:51.269 --> 00:07:57.069 do screenwriting, was it the formatting or the thoughts? Getting two thoughts into 112 00:07:57.110 --> 00:08:00.819 words? Because I've tried screenwriting before too, and to me it wasn't so 113 00:08:00.899 --> 00:08:03.899 much the idea, because I I ruminate on the idea all the time, 114 00:08:03.660 --> 00:08:07.339 but getting it out into words, into the format of a screenwritten, like 115 00:08:07.500 --> 00:08:11.779 final draft thing. I'm like, this is too much. I got to 116 00:08:11.819 --> 00:08:16.689 move on. Right. They know the the format of it was easy. 117 00:08:16.889 --> 00:08:22.009 The technical side of it was easy. I had the idea of it's just 118 00:08:22.089 --> 00:08:28.319 understanding, comprehending, I guess, how to put theme into it. Yeah, 119 00:08:28.519 --> 00:08:35.120 and to show it everything throughout the screenplay and then have the overall point 120 00:08:35.240 --> 00:08:39.960 come together at the end. It was very difficult and I just learned that 121 00:08:39.080 --> 00:08:43.789 I was better with pictures than I was with words. Yeah, you're great 122 00:08:43.789 --> 00:08:48.389 at photography. How how? How long ago or how young were you when 123 00:08:48.389 --> 00:08:54.590 you started photography? kind of serious sleep seriously, it's been two years. 124 00:08:54.029 --> 00:09:00.139 Wow, that's impressive. What what was your experience with cameras and photography up 125 00:09:00.259 --> 00:09:03.940 to that point? Zero, no kidding, just cell phones and stuff like 126 00:09:03.980 --> 00:09:07.659 that, taking pictures of whatever you saw. He yeah, that was very 127 00:09:07.700 --> 00:09:13.929 rare that I would even do that. But I'll I saw a photography as 128 00:09:13.929 --> 00:09:18.210 an art and I was like I could draw. Okay, it's not nothing 129 00:09:18.330 --> 00:09:22.769 great. I have been draws, you know, I would draw, but 130 00:09:22.889 --> 00:09:28.639 when I was a very small child and I had a friend who was really 131 00:09:28.840 --> 00:09:31.360 good, I mean he was very impressive. He draw down a thor's in 132 00:09:31.440 --> 00:09:35.320 the scale zone. Them would be just or the skin would be just awesome, 133 00:09:35.679 --> 00:09:37.870 while I was like, yeah, I'm not that good, so I'm 134 00:09:37.909 --> 00:09:41.309 going to quit. I have a buddy. Let that. Yeah, like 135 00:09:41.429 --> 00:09:45.549 my best friend from forever. He is such an amazing illustrator and that's what 136 00:09:45.750 --> 00:09:46.789 he just likes to do. He doesn't try to sell it or is not 137 00:09:46.909 --> 00:09:50.990 on NFTS. He just way better at me than me at that stuff. 138 00:09:52.350 --> 00:09:56.500 We all got that friend right. Absolutely. So I'm you know, later 139 00:09:56.620 --> 00:09:58.620 on I tried writing, because I like writing and I don't like to read 140 00:09:58.620 --> 00:10:05.220 very much, but writing yes. And then, anyhow, after I figured 141 00:10:05.259 --> 00:10:09.610 out I couldn't do that very well, I needed another outlet, and photography 142 00:10:09.730 --> 00:10:13.090 thing like art to me, and I picked up a camera and I kind 143 00:10:13.129 --> 00:10:16.169 of played with it a little bit and I put it down, picked it 144 00:10:16.210 --> 00:10:18.370 up, play with it a little bit, put it down, did that 145 00:10:18.450 --> 00:10:22.240 a couple times and then I was like I'm going to give this a furious 146 00:10:22.360 --> 00:10:26.320 go. So then I started learning, you know, all the techniques and 147 00:10:26.000 --> 00:10:31.480 you know everything technical about the camera that I could learn and and just kind 148 00:10:31.480 --> 00:10:33.600 of develop from there. And then it got to the point to where you 149 00:10:33.720 --> 00:10:37.990 kind of hit a feeling as far as like okay, I know all of 150 00:10:37.149 --> 00:10:41.269 this, this is kind of boring. Now I need to challenge myself. 151 00:10:41.309 --> 00:10:46.629 So I've started telling myself with, you know, different ideas and creations your 152 00:10:46.710 --> 00:10:50.940 art really, I mean you're here, your photography really is art. It's 153 00:10:50.379 --> 00:10:54.460 I mean it's up there because it's so well let me explain it because we're 154 00:10:54.460 --> 00:10:58.460 on audio show. I'll explain it to what I'm seeing, to the listener. 155 00:10:58.539 --> 00:11:03.259 Okay, so it is intense staged black and white photography. Much of 156 00:11:03.370 --> 00:11:09.370 it is symmetrical. I was watching Stanley Kubrick's full metal jacket earlier this morning. 157 00:11:09.409 --> 00:11:11.370 Yeah, and I was stunned at how every single scene was like a 158 00:11:11.570 --> 00:11:16.169 perfect scene, just staged, symmetrical and like, Oh, this is what 159 00:11:16.330 --> 00:11:20.000 makes this magic. And Yours very much the same way. There's a lot 160 00:11:20.039 --> 00:11:24.559 of play with contrast, hard blacks and hard whites, with the the grays 161 00:11:24.600 --> 00:11:26.879 in the in between and from most of almost everything I've seen of your so 162 00:11:26.960 --> 00:11:31.480 far as black and white right shown. Yeah, for the moth part everything 163 00:11:31.639 --> 00:11:33.470 is black and white and you, you're great. I do like symmetry and 164 00:11:33.509 --> 00:11:39.870 I do like hard blacks and hard white to, you know, very contrasted. 165 00:11:39.470 --> 00:11:43.909 Yeah, and it's easy to say that, but without seeing your work, 166 00:11:43.110 --> 00:11:46.259 the listener has to go. So if you're on the internet or whatever 167 00:11:46.299 --> 00:11:50.899 while you're listening, if you're able to go to OPENSEE DOT IO and look 168 00:11:52.019 --> 00:11:56.379 for Sean Johnson photos, Shaun and you'll see he's under their under fire brand, 169 00:11:56.419 --> 00:12:01.299 and then you'll understand what we're talking about as we keep going. So 170 00:12:01.730 --> 00:12:05.529 yeah, sewand, it's it's really impeccable because we've, I've grown up my 171 00:12:05.570 --> 00:12:11.409 whole life scene stage shots from everywhere from the sears photo studio to Glabor shots 172 00:12:11.450 --> 00:12:15.879 and then my friend used to do bikini girls and hot rod shows and all 173 00:12:15.919 --> 00:12:18.840 the whole thing. Right, but this is something different. What the way 174 00:12:18.919 --> 00:12:22.639 you're stage in your shots is as if it's the subject is a sculpture on 175 00:12:22.720 --> 00:12:28.679 to itself. Very much folk. I mean I could pick up any of 176 00:12:28.720 --> 00:12:33.350 them. The toes with the toe tag. That that's ideal. The really 177 00:12:33.429 --> 00:12:39.509 intense mask ignoring their cries, that piece like that is wild, that unto 178 00:12:39.549 --> 00:12:45.019 itself. If you saw that not in photographic form, it's an art piece. 179 00:12:45.220 --> 00:12:48.820 But then your photography takes it to a whole new level because you apparently, 180 00:12:48.860 --> 00:12:52.980 I've taught yourself light angle and contrast and all these things. So it's 181 00:12:54.100 --> 00:12:58.139 really impressive. Thank you very much, and you are right. The the 182 00:12:58.730 --> 00:13:03.450 mask which is ignoring their cries, as a good one. But mask of 183 00:13:03.570 --> 00:13:09.169 horrors seems to be getting a lot more attention, and understand why. But 184 00:13:09.289 --> 00:13:13.600 the mask is an art of its own. It took me sixteen hours to 185 00:13:13.679 --> 00:13:18.840 make that mask. Yeah, that's a really interesting piece. The mass that 186 00:13:18.919 --> 00:13:22.320 we're talking about is paper machee. It looks like with yeah, intense like 187 00:13:22.720 --> 00:13:26.990 news headlines. And is that clip from the news headlines or some kind of 188 00:13:28.350 --> 00:13:31.789 collage ors that? Did you customize that and like printed on paper? How 189 00:13:31.830 --> 00:13:35.230 did you do that? Absolutely I was going for a newspaper look. It 190 00:13:35.389 --> 00:13:39.750 looks like. Yeah, so I tried to get several different fonts and I 191 00:13:39.909 --> 00:13:43.139 type these out, a printed them out, cut them up and then glue 192 00:13:43.179 --> 00:13:46.460 them onto the mask, trying to give it up, you know, the 193 00:13:46.580 --> 00:13:50.539 newspaper Look, and I thought I did pretty good. It looks like it. 194 00:13:50.700 --> 00:13:54.620 To me. It looks like newspaper that somehow you searched for like decades 195 00:13:54.659 --> 00:13:56.889 of cool headlines, not cool, obviously, like really heartbreak. It headlines 196 00:13:56.929 --> 00:14:01.289 like Parkland and things like that. and to me it from this distance, 197 00:14:01.330 --> 00:14:03.889 in this angle and the photo, looks like paper Machee, but it sounds 198 00:14:03.929 --> 00:14:07.889 like you just you put this on like a mass. You you just had 199 00:14:07.970 --> 00:14:11.600 like a what is that? Hoppy mask? So that kind of thing. 200 00:14:11.360 --> 00:14:16.480 That's actually a mold of my head, by a paper mache mold of my 201 00:14:16.559 --> 00:14:20.240 faith in my head. It actually covers the back of my head a little 202 00:14:20.240 --> 00:14:24.909 bit. Wow, that's cool. Yeah, I did that and created that 203 00:14:26.389 --> 00:14:31.350 it. Like I said, it took sixteen hours and I could never duplicated, 204 00:14:31.470 --> 00:14:33.669 I promise. Yeah, that's the great thing about your art. You 205 00:14:33.710 --> 00:14:37.429 can't duplicate it. For One a photography is inherently, almost in part were 206 00:14:37.429 --> 00:14:41.820 virtually impossible to duplicate. But what you've done in staging, the props and 207 00:14:41.899 --> 00:14:50.179 things like that, like the anarchy fists, that's Great. Always fancy myself 208 00:14:50.220 --> 00:14:54.129 anarchist, not a troublemaker. Just exactly. I don't I'm not a terrorist, 209 00:14:54.169 --> 00:14:58.169 I'm not a criminal. I just don't think we need rulers or gods. 210 00:14:58.250 --> 00:15:01.850 That's all. And I write. Well, I am and most pieces, 211 00:15:03.129 --> 00:15:07.320 most of my work, I am to the point and they have a 212 00:15:07.440 --> 00:15:11.159 meaning, specific meaning. It's not, it's not always, you know, 213 00:15:11.440 --> 00:15:16.759 writing your faith, but most everything I do is, you know, intentional. 214 00:15:16.840 --> 00:15:20.360 Yeah, yeah, it's provocative, for sure, it's not alarming. 215 00:15:20.590 --> 00:15:24.110 You know, it's not Jesus Christ in a jar of P or anything like 216 00:15:24.190 --> 00:15:28.909 that. But it is definitely eyecatching and makes you stop and think. This 217 00:15:30.110 --> 00:15:35.070 looks like life magazine kind of photography, especially the United States of injustice with 218 00:15:35.309 --> 00:15:39.259 the hands bound behind the back in an American flag. Yes, that's intense. 219 00:15:39.379 --> 00:15:43.460 That could totally be the cover of Time magazine. I agree. Yeah, 220 00:15:46.340 --> 00:15:48.379 was that you're intend to make these kind of epic shots when you first 221 00:15:48.419 --> 00:15:54.889 started to get serious about photography. Well, as it was one a release 222 00:15:54.129 --> 00:16:00.289 there and, you know, an outlet, but the ideas to create change 223 00:16:00.450 --> 00:16:04.639 with my photography in the world, because I believe in the power of art. 224 00:16:04.679 --> 00:16:08.639 Right, and these pieces are exactly what you said. They're meant to 225 00:16:08.879 --> 00:16:15.960 make people stop and think and and question. You know, are we doing 226 00:16:15.080 --> 00:16:18.669 things the right way? This is a theory. If issue, maybe I 227 00:16:18.710 --> 00:16:22.789 should look in on myself. Am I doing the right thing right? Yeah, 228 00:16:23.830 --> 00:16:30.830 the the art is very powerful and you know, if you can take 229 00:16:30.870 --> 00:16:34.379 an image and if somebody walks by and see it and they stop for a 230 00:16:34.539 --> 00:16:38.940 second and they even question, just for a second, and that Peef has 231 00:16:40.019 --> 00:16:41.820 done its job. I agree. I think all of your pieces do that 232 00:16:41.980 --> 00:16:45.779 and that, I really think, is one of the great things about art. 233 00:16:45.019 --> 00:16:48.970 Plus, it's really like a universal language. Your art is not speaking 234 00:16:49.049 --> 00:16:53.610 in any you know, language of a certain country or any nationality or anything 235 00:16:53.649 --> 00:16:59.289 like that. These will mean very similar things shown to people around the world. 236 00:17:00.529 --> 00:17:03.200 I agree, which is interesting too, because it's going to be slightly 237 00:17:03.320 --> 00:17:07.240 different thing to every individual that looks at it, but you will get a 238 00:17:07.319 --> 00:17:11.880 similar reaction from people everywhere. Yes, I believe so. And you know, 239 00:17:11.000 --> 00:17:15.599 it's like I want to make a difference with my art, and obviously 240 00:17:15.640 --> 00:17:18.509 I know that. Yeah, my arts powerful. It's not going to change 241 00:17:18.549 --> 00:17:23.789 the world, but it's intent, if to get people to change themselves for 242 00:17:23.950 --> 00:17:29.589 the better, that over all we change the world together. That's the idea, 243 00:17:29.750 --> 00:17:32.619 that's the you know, that's the whole purpose of it. Yeah, 244 00:17:32.660 --> 00:17:36.660 that's nice. You kind of provoking unity in a sense. Yes, I 245 00:17:36.819 --> 00:17:40.539 like it. But what's your experience with mental health and things like that, 246 00:17:40.660 --> 00:17:42.579 because I know just by the nature of your post, and you know push 247 00:17:42.660 --> 00:17:45.329 back if I'm prying too much. I don't mind at all, but I 248 00:17:45.529 --> 00:17:49.849 noticed, I think you alluded to depression one time, maybe several weeks ago, 249 00:17:51.009 --> 00:17:52.490 and I don't want to lay that on you if it's not accurate, 250 00:17:52.609 --> 00:17:56.089 but do you have experienced like dealing with week? Yes, how do you? 251 00:17:56.210 --> 00:18:00.119 How do you? Is this an outreach of your way to use, 252 00:18:00.279 --> 00:18:06.559 is yourself expression, a way to manage your mental health? Yes, I 253 00:18:07.279 --> 00:18:12.349 haven't been diagnosed with anything, but over the course of my life I've noticed, 254 00:18:12.430 --> 00:18:15.309 you know, I'll have down times, I'll be have up times and 255 00:18:15.390 --> 00:18:21.470 then my downtimes, they may last a month, they may last hour. 256 00:18:21.750 --> 00:18:25.589 You you just never know how long, right it's going to last. And 257 00:18:25.990 --> 00:18:32.099 recently I have noticed when I'm starting to go down into these these low you 258 00:18:32.180 --> 00:18:36.539 know, these low places. Yeah, and use photography to get me out 259 00:18:36.579 --> 00:18:41.650 of it, because when I make a piece, and if it's something about, 260 00:18:41.849 --> 00:18:45.369 something that's bothering me, I can make a piece about it, then 261 00:18:45.410 --> 00:18:49.089 it helps bring me out of it, and just taking pictures just really helps 262 00:18:49.210 --> 00:18:53.369 me in that way. It pulls me up and even if I go too 263 00:18:53.569 --> 00:18:59.640 long without taking pictures, not taking pictures will bring me down. So it's 264 00:18:59.640 --> 00:19:02.160 kind of something that I have to do. Yeah, do you. I 265 00:19:02.480 --> 00:19:06.160 was wonder about things like that. If if it's the distraction that pulls us 266 00:19:06.160 --> 00:19:10.549 away from our depressive feelings or feelings of anxiety or whatever around we happened to 267 00:19:10.549 --> 00:19:14.029 be experiencing. Is it the distraction, I wonder why? Is that why 268 00:19:14.109 --> 00:19:17.630 old men play golf, if they just need a distraction, because when you're 269 00:19:17.630 --> 00:19:19.470 doing things like art or perhaps golf, and not a Golfer, but I 270 00:19:19.589 --> 00:19:22.549 get the impression by looking at them that that's all they're thinking about, is 271 00:19:22.589 --> 00:19:26.019 golf. When I'm playing the drums, that's pretty much all I'm thinking about 272 00:19:26.099 --> 00:19:30.619 is the drums at that moment and I don't have the bandwidth to be depressed. 273 00:19:30.019 --> 00:19:33.660 So I often wonder if that's the case with many artists. Yeah, 274 00:19:33.819 --> 00:19:40.049 with photography it definitely is. When I'm when I'm putting together an image, 275 00:19:40.049 --> 00:19:44.490 a photo, setting everything up, that's all I'm thinking about. I'm making 276 00:19:44.529 --> 00:19:48.329 sure everything is in place like it should be. I'm thinking about the lighting, 277 00:19:48.970 --> 00:19:52.880 I'm thinking, you know, about all the camera settings, you know 278 00:19:52.160 --> 00:19:59.000 how angles are. I'm just everything involved with it is all my mind and 279 00:19:59.079 --> 00:20:03.880 just making sure it's right. And then I guess maybe also get a little 280 00:20:03.920 --> 00:20:07.390 relief of their tone and you know, well, yeah, that's going on 281 00:20:07.589 --> 00:20:11.549 definitely. So there's a little dope on him. After I get published and 282 00:20:11.630 --> 00:20:14.990 people start clicking in like an arm, then you get the residual benefit of 283 00:20:15.069 --> 00:20:18.029 the dopamine very much. So. Yeah, so it helps me in that 284 00:20:18.109 --> 00:20:21.579 way. I mean I'll listen to music and things like that, but I'm 285 00:20:21.579 --> 00:20:25.660 still focused on, you know, the project at hand in it and that's 286 00:20:25.740 --> 00:20:27.859 all that on my mind. Yeah, yeah, what's what kind of music 287 00:20:27.859 --> 00:20:32.380 do you listen to? What's your favorite type of music? My favorite artist 288 00:20:32.500 --> 00:20:36.289 is Tom Delong. No, kidding, blank one hundred and eighty two and 289 00:20:36.410 --> 00:20:37.930 yeah, their way. Yeah, yeah, like my favorite it artist of 290 00:20:37.970 --> 00:20:41.730 all time. I like the sound of that. That guy's voice. He's 291 00:20:41.769 --> 00:20:47.650 always had the more unique of the two. Are you into his his alien 292 00:20:47.690 --> 00:20:52.400 investigation kind of stuff? No, not really. Yeah, I every time 293 00:20:52.440 --> 00:20:53.359 I said that. I've never I see it. I'm like, okay, 294 00:20:53.400 --> 00:20:57.559 that's fascinating. I mean I'm vaguely fascinated with all crazy weird things, you 295 00:20:57.680 --> 00:21:02.039 know, just space ship, big foot or whatever, but the moment you 296 00:21:02.160 --> 00:21:04.630 start spending time and money on I'm like, okay, cool buddy, great 297 00:21:04.670 --> 00:21:08.549 hobby, but right. Yeah, no, he was the I missed bleak 298 00:21:08.589 --> 00:21:11.990 one hundred and eighty two. Honestly, they were. They were cheesy to 299 00:21:11.430 --> 00:21:15.829 many people because I grew up with black flag and circle jerk. So by 300 00:21:15.869 --> 00:21:18.740 the time the second wave of punk came around, a lot of my age 301 00:21:18.819 --> 00:21:21.819 people were dissing it, but I'm like, well's fuck, it's fucking hyper 302 00:21:21.940 --> 00:21:25.859 and fast and fun. And listen to the guy's voice. I hear angst 303 00:21:25.900 --> 00:21:29.099 in that voice. I hear me sometimes in a lot of their songs, 304 00:21:29.180 --> 00:21:32.299 just and he was the voice in the band that I'm most resonated with, 305 00:21:32.380 --> 00:21:37.890 the sound in my head very much so for me, if will and to 306 00:21:37.089 --> 00:21:44.009 me, the we don't need to with for album, the hearst angels and 307 00:21:44.009 --> 00:21:48.599 Airwaite's album. Yeah, that to me is one of the greatest albums ever 308 00:21:48.880 --> 00:21:55.920 and it's mostly because how it it hits me emotionally. I resonate with every 309 00:21:56.000 --> 00:22:00.119 song on that album and that I left. I can't tell you anytime, 310 00:22:00.160 --> 00:22:02.950 but listen to it. Yeah, yeah, sometimes I get records like that 311 00:22:03.069 --> 00:22:04.710 throughout time, or a certain thing will happen in my life and that will 312 00:22:04.750 --> 00:22:07.109 be the CD in the player. Back in the day, like when I 313 00:22:07.150 --> 00:22:11.750 got divorced, there's a certain CD in my player and like that's my divorce 314 00:22:11.829 --> 00:22:15.019 CD or whatever. When my sister passed away, I had like a playlist 315 00:22:15.099 --> 00:22:19.099 on my ipod and like, oh, that's that's the Katie playlist right there. 316 00:22:19.140 --> 00:22:22.539 Yeah, yeah, music is super powerful. It's my next favorite thing 317 00:22:22.619 --> 00:22:26.660 to art, but I don't know, music might be my favorite form of 318 00:22:26.779 --> 00:22:29.779 art, I guess. But being a drummer, I just I don't always 319 00:22:29.819 --> 00:22:33.890 claim the role of a clap, quote unquote musician, but I really like 320 00:22:33.089 --> 00:22:37.130 it. It's one of those more universal things. Like your photography here, 321 00:22:37.170 --> 00:22:41.569 it's universal around the world. It will evoke a response similarly from people around 322 00:22:41.569 --> 00:22:45.920 the world, and music is the same way. Yes, definitely, and 323 00:22:45.359 --> 00:22:51.279 a music for me is if I need to get to a certain place when 324 00:22:51.319 --> 00:22:55.200 I'm making an image. Yeah, if the quickest way to pull those emotions, 325 00:22:55.279 --> 00:22:57.240 you can listen to thirtain types of music that will get you there and 326 00:22:57.400 --> 00:23:02.509 then you can really focus on what you need to say. Yeah, it's 327 00:23:02.509 --> 00:23:06.150 like almost like a trip. I'm guessing by looking at your stuff you have 328 00:23:06.269 --> 00:23:10.430 a vision in your mind first and then you work to achieve that vision in 329 00:23:10.630 --> 00:23:14.420 a frame. Is that accurate? For the most part, I get images 330 00:23:14.539 --> 00:23:18.700 are I get idea of three different ways. One way is it's an image, 331 00:23:19.859 --> 00:23:25.980 the second way is a word or praise, okay, and then the 332 00:23:26.099 --> 00:23:30.289 third way of just pure emotion. I'll take an emotion and I'll turn it 333 00:23:30.369 --> 00:23:34.089 into an image. I can take an image and then try to make sense 334 00:23:34.329 --> 00:23:37.609 out of the image and then a word also again try to turn that into 335 00:23:37.809 --> 00:23:42.880 an image. So explain then a little bit. For an example, let's 336 00:23:42.920 --> 00:23:47.880 talk about get vaccinated. How do you end up setting up that shot? 337 00:23:47.920 --> 00:23:52.000 Do you envision the feet with a toe tag first, or do you get 338 00:23:52.119 --> 00:23:55.079 into the I don't know where, if you did the photo shoot, would 339 00:23:55.079 --> 00:23:57.630 you get into this photo studio, let's call it, get the model up 340 00:23:57.670 --> 00:24:00.509 on the table and then start thinking of what you want to shoot? Does 341 00:24:00.710 --> 00:24:04.109 which one? Does one come first, or how's that go? Already had 342 00:24:04.150 --> 00:24:08.109 the image in my mind first, got the image popped up and it was 343 00:24:08.269 --> 00:24:11.299 it was just like what where? I took an image of what I took 344 00:24:11.299 --> 00:24:15.339 the photo of. Yeah, that was exactly what I saw first in my 345 00:24:15.460 --> 00:24:22.980 mind, with the only correction was the writing on the tag with handwritten and 346 00:24:22.099 --> 00:24:26.609 it wasn't actually printed right. Yeah, so I did change that to more 347 00:24:26.650 --> 00:24:32.089 of a printed style type. Yeah, levels like a old like a bureaucratic 348 00:24:32.089 --> 00:24:34.769 typewriter. Look there. Yeah, yeah, so that was the only change 349 00:24:34.970 --> 00:24:38.799 from what I saw in my mind and I the image that I had was 350 00:24:38.880 --> 00:24:44.759 much more bigger. But then also try to make images and I focus on 351 00:24:45.359 --> 00:24:48.279 budget because I try to make them achieve as possible. Yeah, and well, 352 00:24:48.319 --> 00:24:52.750 and they're concise, like visually concise. I'm consider myself a minimalist generally 353 00:24:52.789 --> 00:24:57.750 and I think people lack self editing and your photos show a nice use of 354 00:24:57.950 --> 00:25:02.829 self editing. Like you cut it down to the minimum without cutting the way 355 00:25:02.829 --> 00:25:06.630 too much. Right. You try to just, you know, like I 356 00:25:06.710 --> 00:25:10.740 said, that budget, keep it down, try to keep it simple. 357 00:25:11.660 --> 00:25:15.299 I don't want to make things too complicated for people to understand the message. 358 00:25:15.299 --> 00:25:18.019 Yeah, to explain like a photo shoot for you, how long does it 359 00:25:18.140 --> 00:25:22.329 take? What kind of gear do you use and those sort of things. 360 00:25:23.210 --> 00:25:29.730 Okay, so once I get the idea, obviously I start planning it and 361 00:25:29.849 --> 00:25:34.130 accumulating props and things that I may need. I have a light set. 362 00:25:36.000 --> 00:25:38.240 I can't think of the name of it right now, but it's a constant 363 00:25:38.240 --> 00:25:42.359 light, like a hilly lights. No, it's not led, it's an 364 00:25:42.359 --> 00:25:47.400 actual ball. WHO's like a eight hundred water I think, or five hundred 365 00:25:47.480 --> 00:25:52.470 what? But I have two of those and then there's a smaller one but 366 00:25:52.509 --> 00:25:56.309 I usually try to either use two lights or one light set up. And 367 00:25:56.470 --> 00:26:00.109 then I said everything up in my dining room. No, kid actually have 368 00:26:00.230 --> 00:26:04.180 a studio, so I move like the dining table out and I'll use a 369 00:26:06.059 --> 00:26:11.460 for that that photo they were just talking about, I used a sheet, 370 00:26:11.140 --> 00:26:14.779 kind of nailed it up to the wall and let it hang down. That's 371 00:26:14.779 --> 00:26:17.779 how I got the black background. It's really dark. Yeah, yeah, 372 00:26:17.779 --> 00:26:21.450 and then I also have a white one that I'll use also. Then I 373 00:26:21.529 --> 00:26:23.970 set everything up and you know, everything's already planned out in my mind and 374 00:26:25.170 --> 00:26:30.769 I usually can get my shot within five shots. Wow, I guess that's 375 00:26:30.809 --> 00:26:33.119 the advantage of having a vision, right, because I do a lot of 376 00:26:33.160 --> 00:26:37.880 street photography and I can't plan anything and I end up having to take like 377 00:26:37.000 --> 00:26:41.599 a hundred shots just to get one that I would even present to anybody. 378 00:26:41.640 --> 00:26:45.519 Yeah, so that's kind of a real flip right there, having the vision 379 00:26:45.559 --> 00:26:48.509 and knowing what you want to see in your camera before you ever start. 380 00:26:48.630 --> 00:26:52.150 What about Blm? That was that in your living room too? Where's that 381 00:26:52.230 --> 00:26:56.029 outside? That looks like a sunflair right. Yeah, that one's actually outside. 382 00:26:56.150 --> 00:27:00.430 That was when I was really just starting to learn. Yeah, so, 383 00:27:00.630 --> 00:27:04.019 and I was putting ads out for people to let me take their portraits. 384 00:27:04.259 --> 00:27:08.380 Oh Cool, and this guy contacted me and said Hey, you know, 385 00:27:08.460 --> 00:27:11.660 you want to do this? It's like yeah, like, can I 386 00:27:11.740 --> 00:27:14.740 wear my my blm shirt? I was like sure, let's do this. 387 00:27:14.779 --> 00:27:17.569 Yeah, please do I'm brought I think, and I do this with the 388 00:27:17.690 --> 00:27:19.569 flag, and he's like yeah, let's do it. So we went out 389 00:27:19.609 --> 00:27:23.690 took photos. Dude, that came up sick looking. Looks Great. Yeah, 390 00:27:23.690 --> 00:27:26.170 I was really happy with that one. I got a lot of good 391 00:27:26.210 --> 00:27:30.039 photos out of that one. Actually, what you said, you put ads 392 00:27:30.079 --> 00:27:32.319 up, so tell me a little bit about that. That's pretty bold. 393 00:27:32.519 --> 00:27:37.839 That's an audacious thing to do. Yeah, I put ads up on facebook, 394 00:27:38.000 --> 00:27:41.079 just sort of like local, of like the classified it's like hey, 395 00:27:41.240 --> 00:27:44.710 little market, tell you let me take you yeah, you let me take 396 00:27:44.750 --> 00:27:48.150 your picture, then I'll give you the print for free. So it's just 397 00:27:48.230 --> 00:27:52.789 kind of like, if not, I'm not charging anybody anything. You know, 398 00:27:52.829 --> 00:27:55.750 I'm actually coming out of pocket here, but I get an image and 399 00:27:55.829 --> 00:28:00.339 I get practice and experience and move forward from there because when I first started 400 00:28:00.460 --> 00:28:06.859 with a camera, one of my favorite photographers, I really liked his work 401 00:28:06.940 --> 00:28:11.740 with Lee Jeffreys. He does a lot of photography portraits with the home lift 402 00:28:11.779 --> 00:28:18.569 community. Right, yeah, and his works very inspiring. So that was 403 00:28:18.609 --> 00:28:19.690 kind of like I want to kind of, you know, fit if I 404 00:28:19.730 --> 00:28:23.049 can do what he's doing in a way as far as the look of it. 405 00:28:23.369 --> 00:28:26.640 Right, right, but then I kind of gravitated and learned how I 406 00:28:26.799 --> 00:28:30.920 want to do things. Oh Yeah, Lee Jeffreys. I'm looking at his 407 00:28:32.039 --> 00:28:36.359 thing now. That dude. A lot of his photography looks like some of 408 00:28:36.440 --> 00:28:41.269 the classic photography taken during the s and during the does bull is really like 409 00:28:41.509 --> 00:28:47.069 gritty. You see all the wrinkles and pores and just the grit of a 410 00:28:47.109 --> 00:28:52.309 human face? Yes, really intend yeah, yeah, that is wild. 411 00:28:52.710 --> 00:28:55.589 Yeah, like just because if you get the right light in the right shadows, 412 00:28:55.670 --> 00:28:57.819 like a even a middle aged person's hands, you'll see all the wrinkles 413 00:28:57.859 --> 00:29:03.460 on their hands and their skin and everything. That is awesome, very cool. 414 00:29:03.660 --> 00:29:07.460 Have you? Have you seen the the giving hands that I did? 415 00:29:07.660 --> 00:29:10.730 Yeah, yeah, look at my bad and Yep, yeah, that's over 416 00:29:10.930 --> 00:29:14.930 on, that's not on dation. Yeah, and foundation. Yeah. How 417 00:29:15.009 --> 00:29:17.970 do you like the NFT thing? What? How's it been exploring it? 418 00:29:18.049 --> 00:29:22.849 I know it's really hard to sell anything, you know. So there's been 419 00:29:22.890 --> 00:29:26.440 difficult. It has been difficult where. But it's new, you know, 420 00:29:26.559 --> 00:29:30.559 a lot of people were still learning, a lot of people still coming in. 421 00:29:30.920 --> 00:29:34.920 I felt one N ft, which was the United States of injustice. 422 00:29:36.440 --> 00:29:41.869 Nice, Congratstud that was in October. I haven't felt anything since. I 423 00:29:41.029 --> 00:29:47.910 felt prints, different kind of prints, but it is difficult, I think. 424 00:29:48.589 --> 00:29:53.380 I think the NT s faith if going to be a good thing. 425 00:29:53.700 --> 00:30:00.940 Yeah, gonna be huge, for sure, but it's if challenging. Yeah, 426 00:30:00.940 --> 00:30:03.420 are people aren't there yet. What I am glad about is that we're 427 00:30:03.500 --> 00:30:07.450 there. We're doing it first, not that I care about being first. 428 00:30:07.529 --> 00:30:11.529 A lot of times you hear that you're the the term bleeding edge, like 429 00:30:11.690 --> 00:30:15.609 we're up here losing money on gas and things like that, because we whatever. 430 00:30:15.690 --> 00:30:18.329 But I'm happy that I know these things now, happy that I know 431 00:30:19.049 --> 00:30:22.720 what gas even is and how a ledge, I mean how a how will 432 00:30:22.799 --> 00:30:26.359 it works, and that I have some fucking crypto coins now to play with 433 00:30:26.519 --> 00:30:29.920 them. You know, all these things are fine. So and plus, 434 00:30:30.119 --> 00:30:33.880 like like you, I'm an artist forever. I've been an artist and I'm 435 00:30:33.920 --> 00:30:37.269 not going anywhere. I see this as a new tool. It really gets 436 00:30:37.349 --> 00:30:41.029 frustrating, obviously to artist, when you see junk and trashy art come out 437 00:30:42.029 --> 00:30:47.869 and make millions because they're part of the Crypto Bro Gang and I'm like, 438 00:30:47.990 --> 00:30:49.980 well, I fuck it. I'm not that, I'm not sad, I'm 439 00:30:49.980 --> 00:30:52.579 not trying to beat that, I'm not going to be that, but I 440 00:30:52.660 --> 00:30:56.259 am still an artist and I do like the idea that we can lock in 441 00:30:56.420 --> 00:31:00.579 our intellectual property rights and get some royalties forever into the future. so that's 442 00:31:00.619 --> 00:31:06.369 really empowering and encouraging for people to just keep making art. Absolutely and, 443 00:31:06.529 --> 00:31:11.569 you know, for me to have a collector that hopefully one day will come 444 00:31:11.650 --> 00:31:17.049 along, they definitely got to have a specific taste for what I do. 445 00:31:17.730 --> 00:31:22.160 Yeah, it's not for everybody. Well, a lot of people away from 446 00:31:22.240 --> 00:31:26.039 it. Yeah, I'm well, I was born and raised generally in California, 447 00:31:26.079 --> 00:31:30.119 San Francisco and Los Angeles both. So your photography just hits home to 448 00:31:30.160 --> 00:31:32.680 me. It looks very comfortable. It reminds me of most of the art 449 00:31:32.720 --> 00:31:37.630 I grew up on, photography particularly pretty cool. What so you're in Georgia? 450 00:31:37.630 --> 00:31:41.470 Yeah, yeah, I'm in south Georgia. That must be pretty wild. 451 00:31:41.829 --> 00:31:45.390 It is. I don't really have any friends. So I'm the same, 452 00:31:45.829 --> 00:31:48.420 but I kind of I tried to like I thought it was because I 453 00:31:48.460 --> 00:31:51.740 was in California. I didn't have a friends there. So and then I 454 00:31:51.819 --> 00:31:55.500 went to Louisiana, then Oklahoma. I just I'm a kind of person doesn't 455 00:31:55.500 --> 00:31:57.740 have friends. So I figured just must be me and some just working on 456 00:31:57.859 --> 00:32:02.329 me right. But I noticed you. I had mentioned the other day on 457 00:32:02.410 --> 00:32:06.970 twitter that you gave your kid a cameras. You have a son. Huh. 458 00:32:07.890 --> 00:32:10.730 Yeah, I have two sons, my oldest woman, who is he's 459 00:32:12.089 --> 00:32:15.880 eighteen, my daughter who is sixteen, and then my youngest is thirteen. 460 00:32:15.119 --> 00:32:19.960 Fantastic as guy three kids as well. Yeah, I gave him the camera 461 00:32:20.079 --> 00:32:22.799 Cuz, you know, teenage life is pretty tough, you know, a 462 00:32:22.920 --> 00:32:25.599 lot of things change seriously, and trying to give him an outlet, you 463 00:32:25.680 --> 00:32:30.109 know. Yeah, now that's fantastic. I can't wait. The reason I 464 00:32:30.230 --> 00:32:31.950 brought that up is because kind of what you're doing now, you're planting the 465 00:32:31.990 --> 00:32:36.869 seeds here in the metaverse, let's call it, or just putting your art 466 00:32:36.990 --> 00:32:42.190 on the blockchain. This kind of stuff will generate or generate, I was 467 00:32:42.230 --> 00:32:45.460 going to say generate generational wealth, but yeah, those are the two actual 468 00:32:45.539 --> 00:32:49.539 words that I meant to say. So the money that you make here could 469 00:32:49.539 --> 00:32:52.259 be left to all your kids and then they'll pick up the torchs and start 470 00:32:52.299 --> 00:32:55.339 becoming artist perhaps, or at least learn the value of nfts for whatever endeavors 471 00:32:55.380 --> 00:33:00.009 they're involved with. So I always hope that my kids listen to this podcast 472 00:33:00.089 --> 00:33:02.569 and are out there making nfts and, you know, bringing home bags, 473 00:33:02.930 --> 00:33:08.890 but I don't actually know what they do. Yeah, that would you know, 474 00:33:09.009 --> 00:33:15.160 that'd be great if they do generate wealth and they continue to be you 475 00:33:15.240 --> 00:33:17.680 know, make money on secondary sales, right, and they will go to 476 00:33:17.720 --> 00:33:21.640 my kids. That would be that would be wonderful. I think it will 477 00:33:21.720 --> 00:33:23.680 do. Look at your art. Your art is that kind of timeless photography 478 00:33:23.759 --> 00:33:28.430 that will like continue down. Looks like could be in national geographic like we 479 00:33:28.470 --> 00:33:31.109 talked about before, the life time. So it's not going away and you 480 00:33:31.190 --> 00:33:36.309 can't and because you staged it, nobody else is going to capture that photography 481 00:33:36.589 --> 00:33:38.630 in the future either. They're going to have to literally copy everything you did, 482 00:33:39.069 --> 00:33:43.619 and why? You know. So absolutely. Yeah, I think you've 483 00:33:43.660 --> 00:33:46.019 got a lot going on here. That's awesome. It's not gotten, you 484 00:33:46.140 --> 00:33:52.299 know, they're not getting there getting recognition, you know, from a lot 485 00:33:52.339 --> 00:33:55.369 of my friends on twitter, you know, things like that, but collectors 486 00:33:55.410 --> 00:34:00.130 aren't really paying much attention to it, or at least I don't notice that. 487 00:34:00.250 --> 00:34:02.609 They could be on the five lines watching and waiting, but yeah, 488 00:34:02.650 --> 00:34:07.090 I haven't noticed that. I don't think true art collectors have showed up yet. 489 00:34:08.010 --> 00:34:14.039 There are some interesting developments I've seen that that'll make it better. I 490 00:34:14.119 --> 00:34:17.840 guess I forgot the name of the platform, Thursday music platform. Now it's 491 00:34:17.880 --> 00:34:22.039 like one plus or stage up or something like that, where they basically, 492 00:34:22.039 --> 00:34:25.949 if you want to go buy a music nft, you just put your credit 493 00:34:25.989 --> 00:34:31.429 card on the website. So the Website Converts immediately your credit card into crypto 494 00:34:31.630 --> 00:34:36.389 to an NFT and Bam you've got it all. So once that happens, 495 00:34:37.469 --> 00:34:39.820 things will open up a lot more quickly. That's cool. That's kind of 496 00:34:39.860 --> 00:34:45.300 like I think was that coin base. They're kind of going to start doing 497 00:34:45.380 --> 00:34:49.420 nft, but think as far as allowing where people can buy them. Yeah, 498 00:34:49.460 --> 00:34:51.500 I could get it wrong about that. No, you're right. Well, 499 00:34:51.539 --> 00:34:52.690 I thought that. I think you're right. I think they're opening their 500 00:34:52.730 --> 00:34:58.369 own NFT market place basically. So if you have coins in your Coin Wallet 501 00:34:58.409 --> 00:35:00.130 or Your Coin Based Account, it's going to be that much easier to buy 502 00:35:00.170 --> 00:35:04.809 an NFT. So really it gets back to us being so early, and 503 00:35:04.969 --> 00:35:07.679 part of being a creative person or artist is we're always looking for new things. 504 00:35:08.360 --> 00:35:10.719 So I yeah, we really are here early. So I don't see 505 00:35:10.719 --> 00:35:15.679 any any harm and just building a portfolio, minting things don't necessarily have to 506 00:35:15.760 --> 00:35:20.159 put on for sale, because I'm thinking like, well, what if nothing 507 00:35:20.280 --> 00:35:22.909 cells in six months on open see? Like, well, like, I'm 508 00:35:22.989 --> 00:35:25.750 fine with that. I just like well, literally, though, what happens? 509 00:35:25.789 --> 00:35:29.469 So do I have to pay for gas to take those off the chain 510 00:35:29.510 --> 00:35:32.309 or I don't know yet. I don't think open sea has even been around 511 00:35:32.349 --> 00:35:36.860 six months. You know, I don't. I don't know how long they've 512 00:35:36.860 --> 00:35:43.820 been around it because I've only I only discovered nfteeth in July and and I 513 00:35:44.019 --> 00:35:47.139 what I saw youtube video. I can't remember who it was, but I 514 00:35:47.219 --> 00:35:52.170 saw youtube video and they was talking about, oh, everybody's moving over to 515 00:35:52.250 --> 00:35:54.409 twitter. It's for a photographers go, if you know, it's really popping 516 00:35:54.489 --> 00:35:58.570 over there as a weird eye right, because it means, yeah, instagram 517 00:35:58.769 --> 00:36:01.010 is the perfect thing for photography, for forever and now of a sudden everyone 518 00:36:01.010 --> 00:36:04.880 jumped onto twitter. Yeah, it's I was like, let me go over 519 00:36:04.880 --> 00:36:07.599 to twitter and check this out. I had a twitter account, but it 520 00:36:07.760 --> 00:36:10.360 wasn't really do anything. Yeah, came back over and when I started in 521 00:36:10.400 --> 00:36:15.840 July, had eight, seven or eight followers right, and then I noticed 522 00:36:15.880 --> 00:36:19.829 that, wow, people are really over here, and then it just kind 523 00:36:19.869 --> 00:36:22.389 of grew from there and I saw Hashtag Nft, hashtaging ifty, and I 524 00:36:22.469 --> 00:36:25.630 was like what is an innerity? Yeah, so then I looked it up. 525 00:36:25.789 --> 00:36:29.309 You know, Youtube is like, it's like a gold mine. I 526 00:36:29.469 --> 00:36:35.539 love it and I checked into it and started learning about it and then I 527 00:36:35.739 --> 00:36:38.260 jumped into it. So, you know, if anybody knew out there thinking 528 00:36:38.260 --> 00:36:45.860 about jumping nfteeth, take your time and research, don't rush it and don't 529 00:36:45.900 --> 00:36:49.210 click any links, especially the ones you think are trying to be helpful. 530 00:36:49.730 --> 00:36:53.690 Oh, absolutely, answer that question. Come to my discord or my favorite 531 00:36:53.730 --> 00:36:58.489 one is the people who say they had their Wallet Act on twitter and then 532 00:36:58.530 --> 00:37:01.360 there's like five people in the commets going hey, try out this expert over 533 00:37:01.480 --> 00:37:06.039 here, and they'll put a link to an account with like five followers and 534 00:37:06.199 --> 00:37:09.199 some skizy weirdlooking profile pick. I'm like, these are all hackers. They're 535 00:37:09.199 --> 00:37:13.280 all hackers claiming they got hacked and claiming to help each other. I'm like, 536 00:37:13.440 --> 00:37:15.710 no, don't fall into those sess pits either. Yeah, also, 537 00:37:15.869 --> 00:37:22.670 don't, don't buy invitations to foundation. Nobody fell in the invitations to foundation. 538 00:37:23.070 --> 00:37:27.110 It's funny. How do you like being on foundation? You have a 539 00:37:27.150 --> 00:37:34.380 preferred platform or do you think the platform really matters? I like open fee 540 00:37:34.500 --> 00:37:37.300 because of cheaper. If you know, I paid the one time fee and 541 00:37:37.340 --> 00:37:43.139 then I can go on and mint as much as I want. Foundation is 542 00:37:43.179 --> 00:37:45.650 a little more expense of as far as that goes, you got to have, 543 00:37:45.849 --> 00:37:51.170 you know, the money up front to men right away. So I 544 00:37:52.329 --> 00:38:00.760 prefer open see because of the expense. Yeah, I started looking into object 545 00:38:00.199 --> 00:38:06.639 TESOS. I'm a big TESOS fan because there's there's no gas. So half 546 00:38:06.679 --> 00:38:08.920 the time I'm just spent ranting about Teslos because there's no gas and there's a 547 00:38:08.960 --> 00:38:13.949 lot of artists and musicians have built their platforms and I jumped over to Teslos 548 00:38:13.989 --> 00:38:17.070 because, having been from the music industry, there was a lot of big 549 00:38:17.190 --> 00:38:22.710 music companies have deals with Tzo's based platforms. So I'm like, okay, 550 00:38:22.789 --> 00:38:27.500 well, if they're banking millions on that without telling anybody, I'll just go 551 00:38:27.699 --> 00:38:31.059 dabbling it. So, yeah, use some tezos on objectscom is pretty cool 552 00:38:31.099 --> 00:38:35.219 too, because there's lots of cool collectors. It's almost like that's where all 553 00:38:35.219 --> 00:38:37.860 the cool kids went to go start collecting, like truly collect art instead of 554 00:38:37.860 --> 00:38:44.130 playing profile pick games. Yeah, yeah, but I know a lot. 555 00:38:44.210 --> 00:38:52.489 I don't know about the the market place you were just talking about, but 556 00:38:52.610 --> 00:38:57.079 I know the other one that that one to replace. He was called Oh 557 00:38:57.239 --> 00:38:59.360 hen, but I don't know how to say it. Yeah, called Hen. 558 00:38:59.559 --> 00:39:04.199 Yeah, yeah, I think that's what's called an now hen people were 559 00:39:04.239 --> 00:39:06.599 over there and you'd go over there and check it out and then you know 560 00:39:06.639 --> 00:39:10.789 they're filling their artwork for like a couple dollars, and I'm like yeah, 561 00:39:12.150 --> 00:39:15.309 I don't think so. Yeah, yeah, now they've. They've gotten wise 562 00:39:15.389 --> 00:39:19.469 though. Now people, especially with Tesos, because it's much so the cool 563 00:39:19.510 --> 00:39:22.869 thing I found was that the two gas fees were next nothing, like pennies 564 00:39:22.949 --> 00:39:27.579 instead of dollars, literally, so to a mint something on tesl's. I 565 00:39:27.619 --> 00:39:30.619 think it cost me like seventy five cents something like that, right, and 566 00:39:30.699 --> 00:39:34.579 I know that's a lot of it's a huge reason why people were jumping over 567 00:39:34.619 --> 00:39:38.730 there. I think I've heard, you know, rumors about etherium to where 568 00:39:38.730 --> 00:39:42.250 they're supposed to be, like, Oh yeah, Uni gas these with that 569 00:39:42.289 --> 00:39:44.809 as well, but nobody knows when that's coming out, as far as I 570 00:39:44.969 --> 00:39:49.610 know. Yeah, my bets hedged. Have etherium and poably gone and Tezo's. 571 00:39:50.010 --> 00:39:52.039 I'm on open sea and I'm on object. So and I see it 572 00:39:52.119 --> 00:39:54.559 as two different market place. I see is open sea is kind of like 573 00:39:54.679 --> 00:39:59.320 the good mall. It's a Nice Mall with the chanelle store all that shit 574 00:39:59.400 --> 00:40:02.880 in there. And I see object. No offense, I love object but 575 00:40:02.920 --> 00:40:06.519 I see it as the old common mall, the Old Mall on the other 576 00:40:06.599 --> 00:40:10.070 side of town where they got the discount stores. Yeah, so I priced 577 00:40:10.110 --> 00:40:15.269 things accordingly and I designed things accordingly and you know, people get different levels 578 00:40:15.309 --> 00:40:17.349 of art, but it's still it's all experiment. I think it's fascinating. 579 00:40:17.429 --> 00:40:21.150 It's sometimes it's too much for me to think about. I get a little 580 00:40:21.150 --> 00:40:23.380 hyper about it, but it's fun. Why not be there? Yeah, 581 00:40:23.420 --> 00:40:29.619 it's a little overwhelming sometimes. That and foundation. It seems like if like 582 00:40:30.300 --> 00:40:34.139 where, if prevented the people with Oh this is where the higher end, 583 00:40:34.860 --> 00:40:38.130 the higher quality work is placed, I think. So turth of open see 584 00:40:38.289 --> 00:40:42.769 and I'm like, listen, I'm going to put my work where I can 585 00:40:42.809 --> 00:40:49.289 afford to put it. was is foundation by approval or invite only? Foundation, 586 00:40:49.369 --> 00:40:52.960 you have in invitation only. See, I think as a legit right 587 00:40:52.000 --> 00:40:55.880 later you can go and you know, you can obviously set up something in 588 00:40:55.960 --> 00:40:59.719 purchase, but as far as a creator goes, yeah, you got to 589 00:40:59.760 --> 00:41:04.429 have an invitation. You gotta like apply and be approved right now. If 590 00:41:04.469 --> 00:41:07.909 I mighty just gave me an invitation, wowcome and I just went on. 591 00:41:07.070 --> 00:41:10.030 And so it's got. You got to get it from another creator. Oh, 592 00:41:10.070 --> 00:41:14.150 kind of like when a clubhouse and those things came out last year. 593 00:41:15.150 --> 00:41:17.309 Tells how they work. You had to get invitation AAn before opened up to 594 00:41:17.389 --> 00:41:22.139 everybody. They were doing that for like three months. Really. Yeah, 595 00:41:22.179 --> 00:41:25.820 yeah, it was weird. I just got on club house recently. Do 596 00:41:25.900 --> 00:41:30.099 you like it? I'm not. I'm not a fan of club house or 597 00:41:30.219 --> 00:41:35.530 discord. I can't do discord. Too much for me to overwhelming. I 598 00:41:35.809 --> 00:41:37.849 do like conversations. What I'm thinking of doing, that's why I brought it 599 00:41:37.929 --> 00:41:43.929 up, is the folks that I've talked to on this podcast is forming a 600 00:41:44.090 --> 00:41:49.039 small cabal of people that's could do a twitter spaces together. So if there's 601 00:41:49.079 --> 00:41:51.880 four or five of us, there's power and numbers, right, and then 602 00:41:51.880 --> 00:41:54.360 if we get up there and host as a group and we invite our you 603 00:41:54.440 --> 00:41:58.679 know, few followers, well it's going to look like a big twitter spaces 604 00:41:58.679 --> 00:42:01.829 all of a sudden and it might be actually pretty impactful. That could be. 605 00:42:02.030 --> 00:42:06.030 That sounds like a great idea. Yeah, because the folks I've talked 606 00:42:06.030 --> 00:42:07.670 to are interested in doing it, but nobody wants to do it alone, 607 00:42:07.909 --> 00:42:10.389 which I understand. I don't want to do it alone either, but I'm 608 00:42:10.389 --> 00:42:14.190 like, Whoa, and we've all talked. Now we're all like talkable. 609 00:42:14.269 --> 00:42:15.579 We can talk on the on a mic and, you know, we get 610 00:42:15.579 --> 00:42:19.820 our point across clearly. So like yeah, so I'm going to put you 611 00:42:19.900 --> 00:42:22.260 on the list, dude, will do some twitter spaces after the first of 612 00:42:22.300 --> 00:42:25.099 the year and ramp that up, because there's any way to help each other 613 00:42:25.139 --> 00:42:29.980 out. Oh yeah, that sounds good. I haven't. I've been in 614 00:42:30.090 --> 00:42:32.889 the twitter spaces and I've listened. I've spoke maybe once or twice. You 615 00:42:32.929 --> 00:42:37.289 know, I don't really like public speaking very much, but I'm trying to 616 00:42:37.329 --> 00:42:40.530 trying to evolve and get used to it, do it more so it doesn't 617 00:42:40.570 --> 00:42:45.519 make me as nervous or give me any anxiety. Yeah, hope of flow. 618 00:42:45.519 --> 00:42:46.679 I'll get better at that. I think the same thing, because I 619 00:42:46.719 --> 00:42:51.840 don't like public speaking either and I don't think what we're doing qualifies as public 620 00:42:51.880 --> 00:42:53.559 speaking to me. It just like it's two people talking, we happen to 621 00:42:53.599 --> 00:42:58.119 be recording and then it goes on the on the Internet for everyone to hear. 622 00:42:58.199 --> 00:43:00.030 But I don't feel any pressure right now. You know, with right 623 00:43:00.110 --> 00:43:04.190 that's how yeah, exactly. I feel the same way. And then as 624 00:43:04.269 --> 00:43:07.429 we've talked, I've gotten more comfortable with you and the whole setting. So 625 00:43:07.750 --> 00:43:09.269 it does help to do things this way. But if I if we had 626 00:43:09.389 --> 00:43:13.500 other people in the room right now, it might make a little difficult. 627 00:43:13.739 --> 00:43:15.300 Yeah, yeah, I agree. I think there's some magic still to podcasting. 628 00:43:15.340 --> 00:43:17.340 A lot of things keep rushing by like Oh, are you going to 629 00:43:17.380 --> 00:43:20.500 do live stream? You do video, and I'm like no, I don't 630 00:43:20.500 --> 00:43:22.619 know. I like I drive a lot, so I like things that I 631 00:43:22.659 --> 00:43:27.369 can do with just my ears because my eyes are busy doing other things. 632 00:43:27.929 --> 00:43:31.050 So just the one on one podcast. I Love Them. So I think, 633 00:43:31.090 --> 00:43:32.449 Oh, yeah, yeah, this is a good way, but it 634 00:43:32.610 --> 00:43:37.889 is like a gateway drug to us being public speakers in a thing like twitter 635 00:43:37.969 --> 00:43:42.039 spaces. That seems like the next logical kind of small step, without freaking 636 00:43:42.079 --> 00:43:45.320 anybody out too much, including myself. Yeah, you know, I like 637 00:43:45.519 --> 00:43:50.119 twitter spaces as far as you know, being able to bring people together and 638 00:43:50.239 --> 00:43:54.710 everybody to share ideas together one time. It's great for conversation. Yeah, 639 00:43:54.909 --> 00:43:59.070 yeah, yeah, that's awesome, man. What's a good way for people 640 00:43:59.190 --> 00:44:02.630 to your favorite way? What's your preferred way for someone listening to follow you 641 00:44:02.949 --> 00:44:07.309 or get in touch with you, to check out your artwork? The best 642 00:44:07.389 --> 00:44:14.780 way is twitter. Cool, cool, and that is at Shawn F H 643 00:44:14.900 --> 00:44:21.780 a. you in underscore Johnson Seventeen, and I will also put the link 644 00:44:21.820 --> 00:44:23.329 to that down in the note, so if you're clicking around, you can 645 00:44:23.409 --> 00:44:29.210 just click right to Sean's twitter account. I'll also put your opensee thing too, 646 00:44:29.329 --> 00:44:32.889 so there are fewer clicks away from actually seeing your photography. Because that's 647 00:44:32.929 --> 00:44:37.489 great, dude, and you've got it priced really fairly. So I think 648 00:44:37.570 --> 00:44:39.800 it should move. And you know, I was trying to be encouraging. 649 00:44:40.000 --> 00:44:44.880 But one of the things we were talking about the last podcast was there's over 650 00:44:45.039 --> 00:44:49.880 two million songs on spotify that have never ever been played, including by the 651 00:44:50.000 --> 00:44:53.590 people that posted them. So part of the issue with quality art? It's 652 00:44:53.630 --> 00:44:59.429 not it's just that we're not in the investor CRYPTOBRO club sharing around whatever trading 653 00:44:59.510 --> 00:45:01.630 cards were trying to hype up to make more money. We're that's just not 654 00:45:01.789 --> 00:45:06.190 us. So true artists have to support each other. So when I see 655 00:45:06.230 --> 00:45:10.099 good art and I'm like, well, that's an awesome person, let's let's 656 00:45:10.139 --> 00:45:13.300 ask how did you get so awesome? How did you do the thing? 657 00:45:13.340 --> 00:45:15.980 Because I think that really gives my listeners hope that there's, you know, 658 00:45:16.059 --> 00:45:20.619 other things you can do in life besides working for the man, contributing to 659 00:45:20.699 --> 00:45:24.929 a capitalist, you know, downfall of the world and just being miserable. 660 00:45:24.969 --> 00:45:30.010 You could actually change through art. So I really appreciate you sharing all what 661 00:45:30.130 --> 00:45:32.650 you do and and the quality of your art. Yeah, and I you 662 00:45:32.690 --> 00:45:36.079 know, I appreciate your support. John. Every time, you know, 663 00:45:36.159 --> 00:45:39.079 we've had interactions on twitter, it's been pleasant. I appreciate that and I 664 00:45:39.159 --> 00:45:43.960 appreciate, you know, the support and give to me this platform to speak 665 00:45:45.000 --> 00:45:47.119 and, you know, tell my story a little bit. So it's I 666 00:45:47.239 --> 00:45:51.510 do still working out of five, though I'm not living off my art. 667 00:45:51.949 --> 00:45:53.869 Yeah, yeah, same thing. I think we'll continue to do that for, 668 00:45:54.110 --> 00:45:57.349 you know, a couple of years, but the fact that we're starting, 669 00:45:57.869 --> 00:46:01.269 we're in it right now and our stuff is available on the the blockchain 670 00:46:01.309 --> 00:46:06.260 if anybody wants to buy art like that. So definitely continue to hype your 671 00:46:06.300 --> 00:46:08.940 art and I will put your links down here and on the show notes for 672 00:46:08.980 --> 00:46:13.219 the listener. So, man, you did killer. I there's hardly anything 673 00:46:13.300 --> 00:46:15.940 I have to clip out, which means I can get this episode out real 674 00:46:15.940 --> 00:46:19.889 soon. Well, I'm appreciate. I appreciate. I'm glad that it's been 675 00:46:20.050 --> 00:46:22.090 very easy for you. Yeah, yeah, how was it for you? 676 00:46:22.210 --> 00:46:24.570 Good? Oh, yeah, I enjoyed it and you know, I wouldn't 677 00:46:24.570 --> 00:46:28.690 mind doing it again. Cool, then we will do it again because, 678 00:46:28.969 --> 00:46:31.289 you know, once I find a guess that actually works, it's much easier 679 00:46:31.329 --> 00:46:35.440 to go back and say, Hey, let's check in with Shawn and see 680 00:46:35.480 --> 00:46:38.519 how he's doing for Valentine's Day or you know however that works out. It 681 00:46:38.599 --> 00:46:43.880 sounds good. Yeah, I definitely have. I have more art. I 682 00:46:44.039 --> 00:46:47.829 have about four to five pieces right now that I want to get done. 683 00:46:49.429 --> 00:46:52.869 I haven't put out much lately, but it's been mostly because of the holidays. 684 00:46:52.909 --> 00:46:54.630 It's been real busy, you know, with family and things like that. 685 00:46:55.510 --> 00:47:00.469 So hopefully I can get some art out very soon. Well, I 686 00:47:00.550 --> 00:47:02.659 think you've got enough to get people started for sure. Like, we don't 687 00:47:02.699 --> 00:47:05.980 have to create a piece a day, or even a piece a month or 688 00:47:05.980 --> 00:47:08.260 anything like that. Right, so take that's the goal. Actually, I 689 00:47:08.380 --> 00:47:12.420 try to create one a month. That leaves okay, that's a reasonable schedule. 690 00:47:12.460 --> 00:47:17.289 I watch a lot of old art documentaries and man, we push ourselves 691 00:47:17.329 --> 00:47:21.130 so much harder than the artist of the past. They would just like make 692 00:47:21.210 --> 00:47:24.210 our whenever they felt like it and sat around a drink wine and did cocaine 693 00:47:24.289 --> 00:47:29.130 and whatever they did. And I'm like what the Hell? We're all sitting 694 00:47:29.170 --> 00:47:31.880 here with road maps development teams. I'm like, now, let's back up 695 00:47:31.920 --> 00:47:36.519 a second. Let's go back to the days of like Picasso or some Shit. 696 00:47:36.559 --> 00:47:38.440 I'm going to the Mediterranean. Was gonna paint when I feel like it, 697 00:47:38.480 --> 00:47:43.519 can drink wine all day. So yeah, not to mention social media, 698 00:47:43.679 --> 00:47:46.030 full time job. It is a full time to just promoting, and 699 00:47:46.150 --> 00:47:50.590 we've talked about this on the show before. A lot of artists we like 700 00:47:50.789 --> 00:47:53.230 creating art. We do not like self promotion. It feels gross. It's 701 00:47:53.269 --> 00:47:58.510 just weird and it feels like a time suck, especially when you're always denied, 702 00:47:58.739 --> 00:48:02.059 like decline, no, not buying. I'm like fuck, was why 703 00:48:02.099 --> 00:48:06.059 am I even here? So, yeah, I kind of everything in some 704 00:48:06.179 --> 00:48:07.940 all doses right, because I still need time to go outside and get some 705 00:48:08.099 --> 00:48:13.329 fresh air and look at the animals and get inspired to make the next thing, 706 00:48:13.409 --> 00:48:16.489 because I'm definitely not inspired to make anything while I'm staring at twitter. 707 00:48:17.489 --> 00:48:22.170 Definitely, and people, you know, take breaks whenever you feel you need 708 00:48:22.329 --> 00:48:25.849 to. You're tired, you're frustrated, to step away for you know, 709 00:48:27.010 --> 00:48:30.760 Short period of time. Yeah, breathe exactly. I'd like. You know, 710 00:48:30.880 --> 00:48:34.559 I lied. I am actually inspired when I look at twitter. That's 711 00:48:34.559 --> 00:48:36.920 wow. That's how I found you. I'm looking at your work right now. 712 00:48:36.920 --> 00:48:37.519 I'm like, Oh, yeah, I got it. I got to 713 00:48:37.559 --> 00:48:39.800 get a better camera. I got to go do some shit right now. 714 00:48:40.239 --> 00:48:43.949 So that's right. What are you shooting with? anyways? What do you 715 00:48:43.989 --> 00:48:49.230 shoot with? primarily, how shoot with a cannon, rebel t six nice. 716 00:48:49.349 --> 00:48:54.190 Yeah, I'm hoping that I can sell enough art and favor up for 717 00:48:54.349 --> 00:48:59.659 a phony, a seven Ur for that's what I want. Oh yeah, 718 00:48:59.699 --> 00:49:02.260 those are bad ass. Let's image stabilizations pretty awesome, but it doesn't look 719 00:49:02.260 --> 00:49:05.820 like you need are you shooting with the tripod on all these? It looks 720 00:49:05.860 --> 00:49:09.849 like for most of them I do. Some of them I don't, but 721 00:49:09.969 --> 00:49:14.610 most of them I do. Yeah, the TRIPOD, you know, give 722 00:49:14.690 --> 00:49:19.369 it less shake. Even they could tell there's something super solid about Tripod shots. 723 00:49:19.409 --> 00:49:23.760 Yes, and I actually just bought a Tripod I couple months back. 724 00:49:24.639 --> 00:49:28.320 So killer. You doing it right, man. I appreciate you, dude. 725 00:49:28.639 --> 00:49:30.360 So anytime you want to come on. We'll stay in contact through twitter, 726 00:49:30.440 --> 00:49:34.159 of course. I'm going to promote this off and on for the next 727 00:49:34.239 --> 00:49:37.829 several days. I usually put it in my little auto post Q. So 728 00:49:38.110 --> 00:49:40.789 yeah, it's sometimes it shows up at zero in the morning because I'm like 729 00:49:40.789 --> 00:49:44.630 well, we're if someone in Japan wants to see this or you know whatever. 730 00:49:45.190 --> 00:49:47.909 Yeah, so that's not me just being obsessive. I just generally post 731 00:49:47.909 --> 00:49:51.789 a lot of stuff like that because I think of twitter is like a river 732 00:49:52.070 --> 00:49:53.500 and if you're standing on the edge of the river and you and it goes 733 00:49:53.539 --> 00:49:58.739 by, you miss it. So I don't have any problem like posting what 734 00:49:58.900 --> 00:50:02.300 seems like an assassant, incessant amount. You'll probably notice it because you'll be 735 00:50:02.380 --> 00:50:06.579 tagged in it, but that's that's fine. Just find it, find me 736 00:50:06.699 --> 00:50:08.690 the length and I'll promoter as well. Yeah, cool, I just retweet 737 00:50:08.690 --> 00:50:12.250 whatever you want to do. There's no pressure, it just it. The 738 00:50:12.489 --> 00:50:15.690 podcast just grows like a tank. It just keeps going and going and growing 739 00:50:15.730 --> 00:50:19.289 and growing without me having to do much of anything that I don't like to 740 00:50:19.409 --> 00:50:22.920 do. So do what? Maybe how many have you done before? I've 741 00:50:22.960 --> 00:50:28.800 been doing this for there's like a hundred and something episodes really. Yeah, 742 00:50:28.840 --> 00:50:32.360 I've been doing it since before trump. Wow, yeah, I did not 743 00:50:32.480 --> 00:50:35.750 know that. Yeah, it just will because of subtle you know, just 744 00:50:35.869 --> 00:50:37.389 been I just creep along, just do my little thing. But, like 745 00:50:37.469 --> 00:50:40.150 I said in that when we started I didn't really have a super tight focus. 746 00:50:40.630 --> 00:50:45.750 Earlier in the podcast it was just me winding about being mentally ill at 747 00:50:45.789 --> 00:50:49.309 the moment, but now I'm less mentally ill and I'm like, Oh, 748 00:50:49.389 --> 00:50:52.300 let's focus on cool things, like the things mentally ill people do like create 749 00:50:52.380 --> 00:50:57.940 art or you know, whatever. Yeah, clear goal really will change a 750 00:50:58.059 --> 00:51:00.139 lot, you know, far as what you can achieve in the sixths. 751 00:51:00.699 --> 00:51:04.570 And that's why I'll get it. I'll get image in my mind or something 752 00:51:04.730 --> 00:51:08.889 and I'm like, I want to put this together, but my my purpose 753 00:51:08.969 --> 00:51:12.849 of it's just not clear enough. You know, my methode of a clear 754 00:51:12.889 --> 00:51:15.449 enough. So I'll, you know, think about a little longer. Yeah, 755 00:51:15.489 --> 00:51:19.159 I do the same thing like all the time. Like I don't like 756 00:51:19.960 --> 00:51:22.599 for two thousand and twenty two I'm like, I have three art projects in 757 00:51:22.679 --> 00:51:25.360 mine and not not a one of them is super defined, but they're all 758 00:51:25.400 --> 00:51:30.039 awesome. I'm like, well, pick one and go take the other two 759 00:51:30.079 --> 00:51:35.269 behind the shed and shoot him just that's hard to like decline your ideas because 760 00:51:35.309 --> 00:51:37.670 he's always think everyone's good, or I wouldn't have thought of it. But 761 00:51:37.909 --> 00:51:40.989 right, yeah, it's going to be happy to well, I had to 762 00:51:42.070 --> 00:51:45.389 learn to look at my work objectively. You know, is it really as 763 00:51:45.510 --> 00:51:49.780 good as I think it is? You know what's wrong with this? What 764 00:51:49.900 --> 00:51:52.179 could be better? Can I do something different here? You know? Yeah, 765 00:51:52.179 --> 00:51:55.019 yeah, if that's hard to self edit to, and it's also hard 766 00:51:55.139 --> 00:51:58.940 when most of the people around you, if you're doing work better than they 767 00:51:58.940 --> 00:52:01.050 can do already. All they're going to tell you as yeah, it's fucking 768 00:52:01.090 --> 00:52:06.369 awesome. So it's hard to find like a true critic to say, yeah, 769 00:52:06.409 --> 00:52:08.289 you could have adjusted light here little differently, or would I would have 770 00:52:08.289 --> 00:52:12.369 done? Like? I don't have that person. So it's always selfdiscovery and 771 00:52:12.929 --> 00:52:16.360 making lots of mistakes. Yeah, well, I always look at it, 772 00:52:16.599 --> 00:52:22.119 you know, I typically get it how I want to and I don't have 773 00:52:22.239 --> 00:52:25.320 too many people say, you know, you need to do this different or 774 00:52:25.360 --> 00:52:28.840 you should have done this. I don't really get that very much. I 775 00:52:28.960 --> 00:52:31.869 don't. I don't know why. I kind of expected people would. Yeah, 776 00:52:31.869 --> 00:52:37.869 I was listening to a street photography show and the two guests had apparently 777 00:52:37.909 --> 00:52:42.550 met a famous street photographer and when he had asked them to bring their portfolio 778 00:52:42.630 --> 00:52:46.659 for him to critique, they had brought a portfolo that was so well refined 779 00:52:47.059 --> 00:52:50.739 that the street guy said, well, there's nothing for me to critique. 780 00:52:51.139 --> 00:52:54.340 You clearly have a voice already. And like Oh, yeah, that's true. 781 00:52:54.420 --> 00:52:57.820 Like if someone has a vision in a voice and they're on their way, 782 00:52:58.099 --> 00:53:00.650 well, you don't. Critics don't have anything to do with that. 783 00:53:00.849 --> 00:53:06.250 They step out of the way and let him continue there and be exactly he 784 00:53:06.329 --> 00:53:07.809 is. Not The good way to look. Yeah, I think that's the 785 00:53:07.849 --> 00:53:09.650 point of ours. Like, once you've established a voice, like when I 786 00:53:09.690 --> 00:53:13.639 look at your photography and I'm like, Oh, that's definitely a Sean Johnson, 787 00:53:14.119 --> 00:53:16.840 then you're doing your job. Then you could do anything. Yeah, 788 00:53:16.960 --> 00:53:21.119 very much so, and I appreciate that. You know, I do have 789 00:53:21.960 --> 00:53:24.639 other things that I do plan to do that aren't social, you know, 790 00:53:25.079 --> 00:53:30.190 just this related. Sure. So, I don't know how much that will 791 00:53:30.230 --> 00:53:34.590 look like my other work. Yeah, that'll be exciting. Yeah, it 792 00:53:34.670 --> 00:53:36.710 will be cool. Man, will come on and tell me about it when 793 00:53:36.710 --> 00:53:39.630 you get around to that. And Wow, thanks for coming on. Send 794 00:53:39.670 --> 00:53:44.780 out. Tell your family thanks for sharing you with the rest of us for 795 00:53:44.820 --> 00:53:49.460 a Saturday. I appreciate that a lot and and have a happy holiday, 796 00:53:49.619 --> 00:53:52.780 if whichever one. Just celebrator, if you don't Celebratinadia, I just hope 797 00:53:52.820 --> 00:53:55.409 you have a safe and happy one. While everyone else around us is in 798 00:53:55.489 --> 00:53:58.849 the mode, I'm like, all right, shift in the Christmas mode a 799 00:53:58.889 --> 00:54:01.489 little bit. So right, I appreciate you having me on. I really 800 00:54:01.489 --> 00:54:07.289 enjoyed it. Hope to do it again and thanking you happy holiday which everyone 801 00:54:07.369 --> 00:54:12.639 can celebrating. Yeah, do and I look forward to doing this. Fantastic 802 00:54:12.719 --> 00:54:15.519 man. I really appreciate you, dude, and I'll talk to you on 803 00:54:15.599 --> 00:54:30.989 twitter, all right, thanks, Shane. Take care everybody, and now 804 00:54:31.070 --> 00:54:31.670 back to the wall.