Neophobia Vs. Neophilia

WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.120 --> 00:00:08.910 It's only your head, and now it's online and Bible, this stylecom yes, 2 00:00:08.949 --> 00:00:16.589 John Emotions with Bible, that style. Oh Hey, you may have 3 00:00:16.750 --> 00:00:21.579 noticed. I didn't. The name of the PODCAST is changed. Sort of 4 00:00:22.300 --> 00:00:26.780 I got tired of using the word bipolar and pretty much anything, because what 5 00:00:27.059 --> 00:00:31.699 purpose does it serve? Why are we labeling all of this? And then 6 00:00:31.739 --> 00:00:38.289 I realized, like when I was going to Kaiser out in California, they're 7 00:00:38.369 --> 00:00:43.009 the same way. You see a psychiatrist or therapist and if you try to 8 00:00:43.049 --> 00:00:46.729 tell them about your prior history, like Oh, this doctor said I had 9 00:00:46.810 --> 00:00:49.530 this or that, they don't want to hear that. They're just like, 10 00:00:49.649 --> 00:00:53.079 oh well, let's just fix how you feel, like how do you want 11 00:00:53.119 --> 00:00:55.600 to feel and what do you want to be doing in life? Let's focus 12 00:00:55.679 --> 00:00:59.880 on that. We don't really care about the label. So kind of based 13 00:00:59.920 --> 00:01:03.280 on that, I'm just changed the name of the stove show from bipolar style 14 00:01:03.390 --> 00:01:08.069 to just emotions, like John Emotions. So that's actually what brings us to 15 00:01:08.349 --> 00:01:12.629 today, which is super cool. One of my favorite podcasts I've ever done 16 00:01:14.310 --> 00:01:19.260 in my entire history of podcasting is this one. So this is the first 17 00:01:19.340 --> 00:01:23.739 one that both of my sons are actually here in the studio. They are 18 00:01:23.819 --> 00:01:27.659 taking part part of Project Louisiana with me and if you've been listening to the 19 00:01:27.739 --> 00:01:30.780 show for a while, you know I've been kind of a vagabond, drifting 20 00:01:30.819 --> 00:01:38.209 from interesting project one to the next. And so we're starting a mood garden 21 00:01:38.849 --> 00:01:42.329 and it's going to be for people with mood and memory disorders. Should be 22 00:01:42.409 --> 00:01:48.239 awesome. So my sons are here with me and it turns out they're into 23 00:01:48.280 --> 00:01:51.959 shit like this, to podcasting and whatnot. So I guess in a way, 24 00:01:52.799 --> 00:01:57.359 if I were John Emotions, these two I'm about to introduce would be 25 00:01:57.159 --> 00:02:04.390 nick emotions and Jack Emotions. It's the emotions this. So what's up to 26 00:02:04.549 --> 00:02:07.870 it? It's great to have you and thanks for partaking. I think the 27 00:02:07.989 --> 00:02:15.150 listener will enjoy here and multilayered family approach to podcasting. So Nick and Jack 28 00:02:15.189 --> 00:02:21.219 and I were over at the local like hamburger diner place called rocket drive in, 29 00:02:21.860 --> 00:02:27.379 rocket drive through and getting some Burgers, some shakes and whatnot, and 30 00:02:27.539 --> 00:02:30.210 there were some otherwise normal looking folks in front of us right jeans and t 31 00:02:30.330 --> 00:02:36.250 shirts, straight up could until they're from the country. Let's they open their 32 00:02:36.289 --> 00:02:39.330 mouths. Yeah, and apparently we're doing it kind of right because they look 33 00:02:39.370 --> 00:02:45.039 at us like yell from around here, you know what's good, like asking 34 00:02:45.199 --> 00:02:47.759 is what's good on the menu, and straight I mean we just kind of 35 00:02:47.840 --> 00:02:51.479 like go for the burghers and shakes anywhere. So we're like, Oh, 36 00:02:51.599 --> 00:02:57.879 no, we're from California, you are stanish. I know right. And 37 00:02:58.909 --> 00:03:02.069 you had little Chit Chat with the Fellas and it was like kind of father 38 00:03:02.229 --> 00:03:07.990 and son looking crew, or maybe just taller guys and shorter guys or something, 39 00:03:08.270 --> 00:03:13.259 but they were, you know, getting their food ahead of us. 40 00:03:13.259 --> 00:03:15.539 But yeah, the way for a minute. So you kind of stuck there 41 00:03:15.699 --> 00:03:21.539 in small chat and small talk hit chat and one thing led to the next. 42 00:03:21.780 --> 00:03:23.900 Then they're saying, what do y'all doing tonight? And we had considered 43 00:03:23.979 --> 00:03:29.449 going to a theater down the street to a stand up comic, but instead 44 00:03:29.689 --> 00:03:34.129 they said, well, we're going to the RODEO. Like fuck, so 45 00:03:34.250 --> 00:03:38.449 Rodeo. So the first night nick and Jack got here, we straight up 46 00:03:38.449 --> 00:03:44.280 went down to the Rodeo, the Jannings Rodeo, part of the Cajun Rodeo 47 00:03:44.439 --> 00:03:49.280 series, and hole shit, it was something else which think of that. 48 00:03:49.919 --> 00:03:53.080 I was more like it was more than it was more funny to me, 49 00:03:53.240 --> 00:03:57.069 but I feel like people would get hot, getting mad because of like guess 50 00:03:57.150 --> 00:04:00.469 like it's like tortured animals and stuff, but it's like yeah, but it's 51 00:04:00.509 --> 00:04:04.629 just funny that they get into that kind of thing. It's just funny, 52 00:04:04.710 --> 00:04:08.870 like, I don't know, funny as the right word. Maybe. Yeah, 53 00:04:08.870 --> 00:04:12.180 I thought it was funny for sure, especially the part where I was 54 00:04:12.340 --> 00:04:17.459 pretty sure it was both animal abuse and child abuse. Head Shit was funny 55 00:04:17.939 --> 00:04:21.459 where I because they had this thing where, okay, if they have normal 56 00:04:21.779 --> 00:04:27.050 cowboy shit, where it's like a guy on a horse chasing a little baby 57 00:04:27.129 --> 00:04:30.170 cow and they rope it by the neck, jump off the horse, jump 58 00:04:30.250 --> 00:04:32.810 down, throw the cow on its back and rope up three of its legs 59 00:04:32.850 --> 00:04:36.250 so it can't get up for like thirty seconds or something. I couldn't remember, 60 00:04:36.250 --> 00:04:43.439 sixteen or sixty, whatever it was. Anyway, the that's normal. 61 00:04:43.720 --> 00:04:46.040 And then they had the other part where the fucking guy, like a cowboys, 62 00:04:46.199 --> 00:04:48.879 just jump out of the shoot with the medium sized cow that kind of 63 00:04:48.920 --> 00:04:53.389 has horns and they got to wrestle that to the ground. That was cool. 64 00:04:53.870 --> 00:04:56.750 And then they had something that was amazing that I don't think I'd ever 65 00:04:56.910 --> 00:05:02.029 seen at a Rodeo in California, and that is well, they put little 66 00:05:02.069 --> 00:05:06.540 kids on the backs of sheep and let the sheep run out of the shoe 67 00:05:08.139 --> 00:05:14.699 like a Goddamn Bull. So that was amazing. And they had like some 68 00:05:14.899 --> 00:05:17.740 older kids, you know, but mostly it was little kids and some of 69 00:05:17.779 --> 00:05:20.970 them were wearing helmets, other ones that should have been had helmets on did 70 00:05:21.089 --> 00:05:26.649 not. And the one thing that just struck me his nuts was there is 71 00:05:26.689 --> 00:05:31.490 a little baby strapped to like a backboard, like you'd put a injured patient 72 00:05:31.529 --> 00:05:36.079 from the street into an ambulance on something like that. A little baby version 73 00:05:36.360 --> 00:05:41.279 up, the baby strapped to its head and they're haild on my fucking handle. 74 00:05:41.879 --> 00:05:45.959 If this they fucking just the clown ran with this poor baby bounce along 75 00:05:46.000 --> 00:05:48.920 the back of a sheep and I was just straps of a fucking of a 76 00:05:49.029 --> 00:05:55.149 parachute without the parashuet's like a big ass harness. There's like a gym bag 77 00:05:55.269 --> 00:06:00.350 handle or totally that. That was maniacal. I'm like, Yep, that's 78 00:06:00.389 --> 00:06:04.980 pretty much like. Well, I was like that's definitely child abuse and that's, 79 00:06:05.339 --> 00:06:09.579 Hmm, animal abuse, like what? But then I'm like, well, 80 00:06:09.980 --> 00:06:14.740 they must be doing this for generations, and that because the people just 81 00:06:14.860 --> 00:06:16.699 hop right on top of a horse like it. Oh, I'm fifteen. 82 00:06:16.699 --> 00:06:18.970 Yeah, hopping on top of a horse sounds fine. You Get up there, 83 00:06:18.970 --> 00:06:21.769 it's hell scary. But Man, if you've been jumping on since the 84 00:06:21.889 --> 00:06:26.250 infancy, jumping on the backs of things and trying to ride them, I 85 00:06:26.370 --> 00:06:30.209 guess being a cowboy pretty easy. It's like the transition the manhood. It's 86 00:06:30.250 --> 00:06:33.439 like they they're King Sinheria. Yeah, at whatever age that that one thing 87 00:06:33.560 --> 00:06:36.000 was not even a year old on the back of that sheep. That was 88 00:06:36.199 --> 00:06:43.519 nuts and bottle around, probably well plus end. Like the listeners to the 89 00:06:43.560 --> 00:06:48.709 show know that I'm like apeist. It was super, super religiously, they'd 90 00:06:48.790 --> 00:06:53.870 like. At one point we felt like we were in a vice documentary where 91 00:06:53.910 --> 00:06:57.629 it's like you expect some crazy shit to happen. It felt kind of cult 92 00:06:57.790 --> 00:07:00.899 like, and I don't know if you've ever taken acid, but when you 93 00:07:00.980 --> 00:07:05.060 take acid you like everything is so predictable, every people and the way they 94 00:07:05.100 --> 00:07:09.620 act, because you just hyper aware of Shit, and we are pretty big. 95 00:07:10.740 --> 00:07:14.379 So fucking people were coming up in the in the stands and I think 96 00:07:14.540 --> 00:07:17.889 everybody knew each other and by that standard I think we stood out because I 97 00:07:17.930 --> 00:07:21.129 saw people like moms and shit standing at the base of the stairs is kind 98 00:07:21.129 --> 00:07:24.290 of looking up like who they knew? So who could they wave to? 99 00:07:25.009 --> 00:07:30.399 Because they got blessed America and that fucking alarm. So yeah, it felt 100 00:07:30.480 --> 00:07:35.399 kind of weird in that sense. And Yeah, it's pretty enjoyable though. 101 00:07:35.399 --> 00:07:40.800 I do it. Yeah, that's there on the first day to the most 102 00:07:41.600 --> 00:07:44.470 surreal and a thing you can think of. Yeah, and they kept like 103 00:07:44.589 --> 00:07:47.430 waving the flag and like well, give a big round off of flaws for 104 00:07:47.589 --> 00:07:55.389 your Louisiana cowboys. It's like, but they got football here too. It 105 00:07:55.550 --> 00:07:58.430 is weird. Yeah, for sure. For sure. Wonder what's bigger, 106 00:07:59.540 --> 00:08:01.259 like what's I don't know. I bet it split too, because you kind 107 00:08:01.259 --> 00:08:03.459 of have to pick one, don't you think? Or could you have time 108 00:08:03.579 --> 00:08:05.899 to do too? I don't know. I don't know if the seasons overlap 109 00:08:05.939 --> 00:08:11.579 or not. I think fuck the far or the Rodeo. Shit's probably more 110 00:08:11.660 --> 00:08:15.250 family brought down, I feel like, more than the football. It's probably 111 00:08:15.290 --> 00:08:18.250 just see some online. Yeah, because you, and if you do Rodeo, 112 00:08:18.290 --> 00:08:22.370 Kinda have to have access to horses. Yeah, either through a way 113 00:08:22.410 --> 00:08:26.089 a farm, at the family farm and should yeah, like either through property 114 00:08:26.199 --> 00:08:31.480 or through just money to ransom whatever. Yeah, that's so that was pretty 115 00:08:31.480 --> 00:08:35.600 interesting. And there's IT's Mardi gras time too, so we'll probably find some 116 00:08:35.720 --> 00:08:39.759 cool Mardi gras place to go to and check out that weirdness. So there's 117 00:08:39.759 --> 00:08:45.870 a topic I was going to have on the PODCASTS and it's great here because 118 00:08:45.909 --> 00:08:50.029 now you guys can help me Hash it out. So okay, so you 119 00:08:50.110 --> 00:08:54.830 know how everything gets binary and hashed out to either or black or white, 120 00:08:54.350 --> 00:09:00.299 red state, Blue State, Republican Democrat, I mean fucking up down night 121 00:09:00.460 --> 00:09:03.340 and day, ones and Zeros. It's all two choices. But it seems 122 00:09:03.379 --> 00:09:07.460 so artificial, like we live. We live in a great spectrum. So 123 00:09:07.539 --> 00:09:11.330 why are we just getting down? There is all the gray space in between 124 00:09:11.409 --> 00:09:13.250 the yeah, and I think in that space is color, to you know 125 00:09:13.330 --> 00:09:16.289 what I mean, like that's where all the powers in there for sure. 126 00:09:18.210 --> 00:09:20.970 And why do people act and think the way they do? And I started 127 00:09:22.049 --> 00:09:24.919 thinking because I'm hyper right. I always want to get out and fucking do 128 00:09:24.120 --> 00:09:28.320 things, like how can people want to just sit? And then I also 129 00:09:28.440 --> 00:09:31.919 realize I have this knee jerk reaction against holidays, and I'm like why is 130 00:09:33.039 --> 00:09:35.600 that? I'm like, holidays never hated on me or hurt my feelings or 131 00:09:35.639 --> 00:09:39.230 anything. And then I realized the older I get, the less I like 132 00:09:39.470 --> 00:09:43.710 them. The reason, I think, comes down to these two concepts. 133 00:09:43.750 --> 00:09:48.909 One's called NEOPHOBIA and the other is neophilia. So neophobia, neo means new, 134 00:09:50.830 --> 00:09:54.500 and phobia means fear. So neophobia is fear, fear of the new. 135 00:09:56.379 --> 00:10:01.860 And then Neophilia is basically a passion for novelty, like a craving love 136 00:10:01.899 --> 00:10:03.940 of novelty, things, of love of the new, so to speak. 137 00:10:03.940 --> 00:10:09.450 But what is in that sense? The new researchers are saying it's novelty, 138 00:10:09.490 --> 00:10:13.210 it's things you have not experienced. Yeah, so, like God, that's 139 00:10:13.250 --> 00:10:18.490 it, because as a person with like Adhd, I'm always craving the novelty. 140 00:10:20.009 --> 00:10:22.320 I got to have new. I'm even in school when I was a 141 00:10:22.360 --> 00:10:24.360 kid, I'm like, why are we learning about stuff already people already know 142 00:10:26.399 --> 00:10:28.200 you know, I mean like if they already know it and they already wrote 143 00:10:28.200 --> 00:10:33.399 a book about it, why are we? Why are we studying it? 144 00:10:33.799 --> 00:10:37.149 Who Cares? Like, can we go learn new shit? And even like 145 00:10:37.269 --> 00:10:39.950 an as adult, I'm spas. I'm always like, can we move on 146 00:10:39.990 --> 00:10:43.909 to the next idea? Can't we come on? This next thing is gone. 147 00:10:43.309 --> 00:10:46.110 So like God, that that's bothersome and it's also the tradition, but 148 00:10:46.190 --> 00:10:50.940 it's so. I looked into it, man, and that's like part of 149 00:10:50.980 --> 00:10:56.899 the political divide is conservatives, traditional conservatives. They really just want to maintain 150 00:10:56.980 --> 00:11:03.100 the status quot same old thing. You know, have offices, beoffice workers, 151 00:11:03.139 --> 00:11:05.929 the man and his place, the woman in her place, you know, 152 00:11:07.090 --> 00:11:09.809 shopping malls, pay your taxes, get a fat refund, going a 153 00:11:09.850 --> 00:11:15.210 little vacation by a house college student. Yeah, all that as worker. 154 00:11:15.450 --> 00:11:18.559 Yeah, the whole it's super cliche. There's just a model, but the 155 00:11:18.639 --> 00:11:26.120 models not very effective nowadays and modern times. So I think it's important that 156 00:11:26.120 --> 00:11:31.200 which explored different ways of thinking about so the one idea is like, AH, 157 00:11:31.720 --> 00:11:33.789 well, some of us are spazzy, some of us do like tradition. 158 00:11:37.309 --> 00:11:39.590 What it can't. What came down to is like people who like tradition 159 00:11:39.629 --> 00:11:45.269 aren't evil inherently. I just now. Now, I just see it as 160 00:11:46.750 --> 00:11:50.259 like the hallmark holidays. Every every holidays a hallmark holiday. It seems like, 161 00:11:50.379 --> 00:11:56.820 you know, so created like crafted purposefully for capitalism, for commercial griefs, 162 00:11:56.980 --> 00:12:01.889 or just gain over in costume, Halloween decor like, who needs Halloween 163 00:12:01.009 --> 00:12:05.570 decorations? Or are in yeah, no, for sure. Let and Christmas 164 00:12:05.649 --> 00:12:11.490 decorated. Who needs Thanksgiving decorations? I thought it'd AH. Of these are 165 00:12:11.529 --> 00:12:13.970 the questions outs of yeah, well, for sure, and that's, I 166 00:12:15.049 --> 00:12:18.960 think, the read that that is why people who crave tradition and things not 167 00:12:18.200 --> 00:12:22.440 changing, those are the people. But to us, we think so. 168 00:12:22.759 --> 00:12:26.759 We think so. Those are the Fobes, the NEOPHOBES. They are like 169 00:12:26.919 --> 00:12:31.429 no, that's not it's traditional, we have to do this this way, 170 00:12:31.590 --> 00:12:33.429 this is the Turkey, this is the way we've always done things. Then 171 00:12:33.470 --> 00:12:37.669 that's kind of a popular catch phrase with Neophobes, like that's the way we've 172 00:12:37.710 --> 00:12:41.789 always done it. But I think in what's really interesting was I found out 173 00:12:41.830 --> 00:12:48.620 that some tribes, some cultures and civilizations are more neophiliacs, more neophilic, 174 00:12:48.659 --> 00:12:52.379 I guess it would be the word. They're more into the new, craving 175 00:12:52.460 --> 00:12:58.730 things because they've had no homeland. They've been pushed around the earth through either 176 00:12:58.809 --> 00:13:01.409 slavery or dispores, just be pushed out of their homeland. So I wonder 177 00:13:01.570 --> 00:13:07.169 in some ways if us being so connected to the chickasaw tribe, that those 178 00:13:07.250 --> 00:13:11.730 people would just continually push so and their DNA. It starts to become beneficial 179 00:13:11.879 --> 00:13:16.480 to adapt to the new. So now we're like wired to like, yeah, 180 00:13:16.480 --> 00:13:18.960 we like new shit. That's how we thrive, right, we thrive 181 00:13:20.039 --> 00:13:24.639 for that, and others they benefit from staying still. So that's why I'm 182 00:13:24.639 --> 00:13:28.389 like, Oh, it's not really a political argument. We've just two different 183 00:13:28.429 --> 00:13:31.350 types of people, two types of brain thinking. Yeah, and I think 184 00:13:31.389 --> 00:13:37.029 the world needs both Neophilias and neo folks, because tradition is fine. It 185 00:13:37.149 --> 00:13:41.500 adds stability to the structure of humanity, kind of. But without neophiliacs craving 186 00:13:41.580 --> 00:13:45.940 new shit all the time, there would be no new inventions. We wouldn't 187 00:13:45.940 --> 00:13:48.460 have gone to the moon. Will strive to new yeah, because I used 188 00:13:48.460 --> 00:13:52.419 to think man striving seems like it's a crime. But why? Why does 189 00:13:52.460 --> 00:13:58.529 it feel that way? And it's because the stuff they have to use for 190 00:13:58.610 --> 00:14:03.049 the new inventions. Yeah, because you kind of do have to adapt and 191 00:14:03.169 --> 00:14:07.690 live with modernists to like achieve in modern times. I guess is that was 192 00:14:07.769 --> 00:14:11.240 just saying that just I mean all the resources that you need. Yeah, 193 00:14:11.440 --> 00:14:16.120 that's true, for sure, just getting used to so many new, different 194 00:14:16.200 --> 00:14:20.759 types of new things, like the new advances, and well, yeah, 195 00:14:20.840 --> 00:14:26.950 and we're going to like, not really, but the spurlock where they're like, 196 00:14:26.110 --> 00:14:30.870 Oh, you need to you the on your new contract. We're going 197 00:14:30.870 --> 00:14:35.149 to force you to upgrade for a little tiny fan, all right, for 198 00:14:35.230 --> 00:14:37.549 a new fan when you don't need and shit like that. That's Oh yeah, 199 00:14:37.580 --> 00:14:41.779 they locked you into perpetual updates. Yeah, whether it's hardware or software, 200 00:14:43.220 --> 00:14:46.299 and it's almost that way with humans. But again, then I'm like 201 00:14:46.059 --> 00:14:50.740 that doesn't work on people who don't want to change. So I'm like, 202 00:14:50.860 --> 00:14:54.610 Oh, we need to rethink society in general and just acknowledge that there are 203 00:14:54.610 --> 00:15:00.009 some people who crave change and should be allowed to be strivers, left alone 204 00:15:01.049 --> 00:15:03.490 to strive at all costs, and then other people who like tradition should be 205 00:15:03.570 --> 00:15:09.720 able to celebrate those traditions without getting in fights with each other about politics or 206 00:15:09.759 --> 00:15:11.799 who they're going to vote for. WHO gives a fuck who people going to 207 00:15:11.840 --> 00:15:15.120 vote for? Just vote for your person, but don't vote for a person 208 00:15:15.200 --> 00:15:18.320 because you need to make your opinion known. It's like they give you the 209 00:15:18.399 --> 00:15:20.990 option that it's the whole purposes to go into a silent little room and keep 210 00:15:22.029 --> 00:15:24.110 it private. Why do you have the voice her? You will like. 211 00:15:24.830 --> 00:15:28.029 It's why I have to be so predicted, predictable to know you're going to 212 00:15:28.070 --> 00:15:33.149 vote for. Yeah, totally Hashtag. Shut up and vote. That's first 213 00:15:33.230 --> 00:15:37.620 first things first. Shut up. Yes, a second thing, vote. 214 00:15:39.179 --> 00:15:43.419 Shut up and vote in that order, please. But again, that's me. 215 00:15:43.500 --> 00:15:45.940 I'm like, that's the new way of doing things, just shut up 216 00:15:45.980 --> 00:15:48.419 and vote. But I'm like, wait, I'm actually a traditionalist. That's 217 00:15:48.460 --> 00:15:50.250 the way we used to you never talked about who you're going to vote for. 218 00:15:50.289 --> 00:15:54.129 It was a secret. It was like it's private, like I'm not 219 00:15:54.210 --> 00:15:58.450 telling you. And but there was also pre Internet. Now everybody wants to 220 00:15:58.490 --> 00:16:02.809 discuss the INS and out of every fucking character flaw of everybody running for office, 221 00:16:02.889 --> 00:16:06.320 and nobody's perfect enough. And meanwhile one sides like, well, we 222 00:16:06.480 --> 00:16:10.559 just put a clown in and they're like okay, director. So it's so 223 00:16:10.879 --> 00:16:15.639 weird and they call that conservative. So those are the traditionalist those are the 224 00:16:15.720 --> 00:16:18.710 NEOPHOBES. That's what it like. Oh, New People, now we don't 225 00:16:18.750 --> 00:16:21.389 want to know Mexicans are. They're new. We I mean we're afraid of 226 00:16:21.470 --> 00:16:25.070 the outsiders. That's a Neophobe, somebody who's afraid of the outsider. That 227 00:16:25.350 --> 00:16:29.509 fear of the outsider is really a fear of the new. So what he 228 00:16:29.590 --> 00:16:33.299 calls xenophobics, they're really neophobes at heart. They're afraid of anything new. 229 00:16:33.860 --> 00:16:37.379 So we're kind of threatening their existence by all this progress, like hey, 230 00:16:37.899 --> 00:16:41.899 we're going to let transgender people just be normal, and they're like what, 231 00:16:41.620 --> 00:16:45.620 that's insane. But you know, it's just a matter of our brains, 232 00:16:45.740 --> 00:16:49.529 like neophiliax were like progress, N, cool, interesting, weird, go 233 00:16:49.730 --> 00:16:53.049 for it, that's awesome. Do that. And meanwhile half the folks were 234 00:16:53.090 --> 00:17:00.450 like what we gotten? Did like like the Vince Neil he keep on rock 235 00:17:00.570 --> 00:17:07.680 and shove the double and been do. We'll just fucking if you hit them 236 00:17:07.759 --> 00:17:10.640 with the facts, they'll just lock up. I know, I don't know 237 00:17:10.799 --> 00:17:15.400 to do well, especially if the facts are counter to what they've been programmed 238 00:17:15.440 --> 00:17:18.069 to think is real, because they could people. Most people could acknowledge facts 239 00:17:18.069 --> 00:17:22.549 when you show them the facts. Like look, the sun rises in the 240 00:17:22.670 --> 00:17:26.109 east and goes across the West, and here's a compass that shows you that's 241 00:17:26.190 --> 00:17:29.589 east and that's Wester, like, nope, what I was time flat. 242 00:17:29.670 --> 00:17:33.259 It's rises in the bottom and goes to the top. Your your phraseology is 243 00:17:33.299 --> 00:17:41.220 all wrong. Yeah, like Vince said, bird dude this. So I 244 00:17:41.339 --> 00:17:48.210 think. I think mostly our families all about neophilia. Neophiliacs. Yeah, 245 00:17:48.250 --> 00:17:52.450 we're like love the new, the novelty at all costs, although like your 246 00:17:52.490 --> 00:17:56.089 grandma's my mom and your mom's mom, they're kind of traditionalist. They like 247 00:17:56.210 --> 00:18:02.759 having their little parties on Easter or Christmas, earls or Helen. Neo phobic. 248 00:18:03.000 --> 00:18:04.839 They just like that. They're like now, that's just just the way 249 00:18:04.880 --> 00:18:11.279 we think, that's no need to change blood and that's way we do it. 250 00:18:11.640 --> 00:18:18.029 Or had see my dad, my dad's and NEOPHILIAC, acrophobic, somewhere 251 00:18:18.029 --> 00:18:21.230 in between. Ike's kind of balanced in that realm. Well, when we 252 00:18:21.390 --> 00:18:25.509 talk to him, he use you try to make it seem like he knew 253 00:18:25.549 --> 00:18:26.460 his place in the world. He's like, I know, I'm just a 254 00:18:26.539 --> 00:18:30.940 retired old man that just said has it kind of good and old folks home 255 00:18:30.019 --> 00:18:37.140 and I kind of just get the mope around smoke pot watch that shows that 256 00:18:37.339 --> 00:18:47.769 sounds like some shit you'd say straight you just see him walking around his old 257 00:18:47.849 --> 00:18:52.890 folks home all day every day, rest turned towards like forward. Yeah, 258 00:18:56.240 --> 00:19:00.559 like this. It's like an off blue aged pole, not a polo, 259 00:19:00.680 --> 00:19:03.880 but an you know, the opened up button, sure, with his chest 260 00:19:03.920 --> 00:19:10.829 hair coming out like a golf shirt. Oh Yeah, same pipe to that 261 00:19:10.990 --> 00:19:15.829 old woody'll have that till this casket. My Dad's an old hippie from California 262 00:19:15.869 --> 00:19:22.190 and he smokes out of a wood pipe. Yeah, there's technology nowadays that 263 00:19:22.990 --> 00:19:26.779 he has. He tried the volcano bag, I think maybe once they's not. 264 00:19:27.140 --> 00:19:33.579 But how can you guys do that Shit? Resisting change? That's just 265 00:19:36.180 --> 00:19:38.890 yeah, I get no, seriously, probably is really speaking of volcano bag. 266 00:19:40.289 --> 00:19:44.529 Yeah, was one calling your dame over there. Yeah, we'll hook 267 00:19:44.569 --> 00:19:45.690 that up in just a second because, you know what, the bag is 268 00:19:45.730 --> 00:19:49.490 way too crispy on the mic's I think Jack is on volcano duty. Maybe 269 00:19:51.049 --> 00:19:53.000 is on the pick up from over here. Maybe, I don't know. 270 00:19:53.160 --> 00:19:56.599 We've gotten long enough. I think you know, because if it goes more 271 00:19:56.640 --> 00:20:03.279 than twenty two minutes, the listenership just drops to the bottom. That's right, 272 00:20:03.319 --> 00:20:11.910 I get Meta, those monetizations, monetization, monetization, Monterail. We 273 00:20:12.069 --> 00:20:18.990 need just healthy thoughts, that's it, healthy thoughts. So anyway, thanks 274 00:20:18.029 --> 00:20:25.420 for sharing your thoughts about neophobia versus Neophilia, and maybe next time I'll will 275 00:20:25.460 --> 00:20:29.099 fill. I'll feel listen like I'm being interviewed. It's the first time he's 276 00:20:29.140 --> 00:20:33.420 ever been on a podcast Mike live like this. Don't really know how to 277 00:20:33.500 --> 00:20:38.210 think, because it's not actually like because you're it seems like are talking to 278 00:20:38.289 --> 00:20:41.609 an audience. Yeah, I know what I'm sitting here just looking at you 279 00:20:41.849 --> 00:20:45.569 and listen to what you're saying. And when Jack, I just feel like 280 00:20:45.609 --> 00:20:48.049 we're in the room together having a conversation. Yeah, that's Yep, you 281 00:20:48.089 --> 00:20:51.920 got to jump in for sure, because it's like, well, I know 282 00:20:52.039 --> 00:20:56.359 what the listener expects to hear, so there's like a consistency thing either way. 283 00:20:56.680 --> 00:21:02.119 But they also know I have kids. So you talking and just jumping 284 00:21:02.160 --> 00:21:03.589 in whatever, because I always break the fourth wall. Anyway. I talk 285 00:21:03.589 --> 00:21:07.630 about using podcast and fucking hey, listen to my new sound effects I made 286 00:21:07.670 --> 00:21:11.309 and shit like that, and then you make it kind of nasal. Yes, 287 00:21:12.470 --> 00:21:18.470 so that's part of the thing. So what we're doing is starting some 288 00:21:18.579 --> 00:21:21.500 gardening stuff, because all of us kind of want to get into gardening, 289 00:21:22.019 --> 00:21:25.700 but nick wants to get into voiceover work, so he and I are going 290 00:21:25.740 --> 00:21:33.210 to like scan through Joshua Gordon Levitt's hit recordcom or dot org or whatever start 291 00:21:33.769 --> 00:21:37.890 doing some voiceover stuff. Should be fine. I dig it, and Jack's 292 00:21:37.890 --> 00:21:41.210 going to plant a garden and kick somebody's ass in a video game. We're 293 00:21:41.250 --> 00:21:45.690 going to film it shortly. So anyway, yeah, thanks, are pretty 294 00:21:45.690 --> 00:21:48.839 cool and I'm glad you listen. So anything you want to share with this 295 00:21:49.039 --> 00:21:57.319 person here and with us, shall the devil keep on rocking and the Blue 296 00:22:00.509 --> 00:22:06.029 Shit. That's funny. Now we'll just find an outro that suits this show 297 00:22:06.109 --> 00:22:19.500 and know we'll be done. Don't feels. Don't really feel. Feels to 298 00:22:19.619 --> 00:22:27.299 feel. He's so stupid. And now back to the wall.