John, Jack, and Nick have a casual conversation about living with family members who have NPD (Narcissistic Personality Disorder).
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It's only head and now it's online
Bible, this stylecom yes, join emotions
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with Bible style. We'll see.
quit looking at my work in progress.
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You fucking up my flow as an
artist. Do you like people to watch
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you do your art? I wouldn't
stay, so I wouldn't know. That's
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why I like when I see street
artists, cartoonists, like drawing people on
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the street at the fisherman's war,
for whatever man they got to work with
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people just staring at him. Yeah, that's head a right dicause that's not
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really watching me draw these people.
Yeah, and it's like their family member.
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That's why I couldn't do well that. Yeah, especially with like that's
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why I was thinking. If we
do instruments or something like that, it's
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like the our mom constantly fucking should
be commenting while we're doing it, like
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you can't. Yeah, I feel
like we just couldn't do it in peace.
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They're like, you know, trum
said, no room to like explore
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without being judged exactly or like comment
that she'll be on the phone saying,
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Oh, nick was playing fucking fucking
Tom Petty earlier on the drums. You're
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like like Oh, like, I
felt that when my mom put me like
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through piano lessons when I was young. Yeah, and then she'd have people
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over for Christmas and Oh, John, show them what you learned in piano
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lessons, and I'm like, I'm
not, you're fucking trained Mounky's just show
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my kid can do. I trained
them so crazy hate for him to get
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trained. Well, that's that's what
it became like a why? What did
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I pay for all those lessons for? I like, I thought, so
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I could learn piano. Yeah,
but it turned out she paid for those
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lessons so I could fucking like be
your little monkey entertainment our parties, and
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she played piano to Huh. Yeah, she's pretty good. I'm glad she
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turned me on to music overall,
but come on now, just to be
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the pet monkey looking with the games
in the wells, bells and whistles for
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all the guests. Did your mom
ever do this? Like, I can't
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recall if she did when when we
were married, but my mom did this
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weird thing before guests would come over. She'd Clean Up, which is pretty
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normal. I guess you don't want
people, especially if we just got messes
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laying around. It's not your best
foot forward, but she would clean on
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something. That too. It's like, why don't we live this way all
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the time? That's like that's just
how if it was clean the day you
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came over, that's just a happened. To be clean. Just live,
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live clean. Like why put on
a show for others actually, but my
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mom would do it to the point
where she would clean before the cleaning lady
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would come over because she didn't want
the cleaning lady to judge her as being
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messy. And I'm like, what
are you paying her to do that?
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And like that's this odd that's putting
on appearances. That's a narcissist thing.
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narcissist, like the public appearances is
everything. Is that that okay? That's
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why I try to think about with
her too. It's like this she really
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deep down have these thoughts, the
thoughts that she says out loud of like
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Oh, I just want the best
for whatever, for you guys and this,
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but it's like or deep down it's
like in the end you're driving us
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kind of towards what you think will
be good for us, for you in
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the long run. Right, it's
interconnected. Yeah, I mean uncle was
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like to me before I went to
college. He said, all right,
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we'll take care of you guys,
you know, if we ever need money
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or anything like that, as long
as you take care of us later.
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Oh yeah, he's straight up said
that to me too. He sat me
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down. He's like, he's like
the whole point of this is that you
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guys are going off doing it yourself
and you cool take care of the people
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who took care of you in the
long run. Yeah, I mean that
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kind of makes sense, really makes
sense, but it's like you took care
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of us by option, I guess, or by it right, right,
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are by our choice, by the
parents choice, right, the parents like
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we have. It's like he had
Gelsun cars. We don't have what when
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go? Yeah, it's myself.
Yeah, exactly. I had our mom
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with that, Dude said. Our
MOM deal with that. Did I spoken
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like a Gamer, spawn myself into
existence. I sbody did this. Before
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I left, was like mom or
she was like she was like I was
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just getting ready to go here.
So I just wasn't. I was just
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on my path, doing my thing, not really talking to anyone, and
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she would just got to shoot ass
Jack Back. What's should ask me what's
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wrong. I'd say nothing, that
she'd go what's his deal like? When
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I leave the room, and then
she'd ask me and I just said she's
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like, Oh, it just sucks, like you're not happy. It's just
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like you festering in pestering me all
the time about it. Like do you
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ever realize that you're the problem,
like you're the stent are like you're part
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of the problem, I guess.
Yeah, yeah, they know people.
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HMM. I don't want to like
blame that, like focus on her in
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that situation, but like people in
general, for sure, it's all about
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like well, especially that, what's
his problem? As if being silent is
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a problem. Yeah, it's like
I'm just being quiet. I'm not like
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bowing to your little mind. I
hate this. See silence to them as
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almost as as like worse than a
than a negative response. Is like then,
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like a is worse to them than
a derogatory response to what they want.
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Yeah, well, we were just
watching a thing on youtube about narcissist.
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What was the name of that video? Jack? was that like talk
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is their currency? I think it
was cool. Yeah, there's a kid
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doing the youtube video and his whole
the title was talk is their currency,
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and that is like narcissist people with
the actual narcissistic personality disorder. They fucking
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just fill every gap, with every
gap of air, with like words about
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sin. It's just were as it
is. Words are about that, like
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it, like in directly about the
trying to get gain, yeah, or
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about just about them. Yeah,
like even like. And then GRANDPA's a
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good example, because you just like, yeah, you can't like being a
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room for like thirty seconds without him
opening his mouth to fill the air with
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more noise. I'm like, Dude, I was. Are you just scared
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of that's why I think about them
too. It's like, are you scared
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of the silent? Yeah, silence, is that loneliness? I think it's
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a fear of losing control. That's
all. Yeah, part of it,
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right, because as long as you're
stirring up the crazy, if you're the
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one stirring up the crazy because you're
the only one that has the goggles to
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see through the fucking dust you're kicking
up, then yeah, you're happy kicking
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up crazy, not like yeah,
because there is no crazy in silence.
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If people who just four, five, six people sitting in room quietly reading
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their own book or on their head
sets or on their phone or whatever.
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Where's the drama? There isn't right. Gets to me is the come into
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the room and the announcement of something
in their life for the like they already
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have the preloaded response. They want
a specific like it's like a script in
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their head. Yeah, they'll come
in the room, they'll say who,
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that was a tough walk or some
lights. You know, they're like who
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if it's hot out, like Oh, you just going to walk? Like
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like they want you to ask a
question. Yeah, no, I know
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what you mean. It's a question
stated, you know, put out as
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a statement. It's like it's hot
outside. Well, onto itself, that
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statement does not require any answer.
And Yeah, it's actually if everybody has
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sit outside, we all have apps
on our phone that tells us it's ninety
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two. You know, I mean
the whole thing, like Uh Huh,
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yes, but if you're making a
statement that just requires a h Huh yes,
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doesn't need a reaction. We're not. We don't live on cell phones.
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Like if someone but then they'll say
see you. I say things and
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that just no one says anything.
It's like, but that doesn't qualify or
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response, or even it doesn't the
qualify response in the first place. Yeah,
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say it differently. Yeah, I
mean, if it is a question,
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question, ask the question. Whatever
the question really like in great like
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it's re really, you just gotta
get it out. figure a way to
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make it so we' don't there,
you don't not need a response. Yeah,
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yeah, just I mean make it
so the person not answering is on
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the hook. Yeah, exactly,
because, like if someone has asked a
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direct question, Hey, I'm going
to the grocery store. Will you be
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here when I get back to help
on low groceries? Hey, will you,
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you know, feed the dog whatever? That's sense, and then it
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can. That's ten times better than
saying I'm going to the store, okay,
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that's it, come back and then
going getting mad with the groceries into
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the house, making a big noise, like it's like right, you hear
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the wrestling of the of the plastic
bags when through the of the door in
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the wall, someone, someone kicks
the door opened for the front door to
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get through, just like they're scared
to communicate. Yeah, it's like.
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But then that goes back to the
thing you said about how their people are
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just taught to be reserved, like
you, just like from your upbringing.
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There's like that's true, especially.
I mean well, like I'm fifty and
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you guys are like twenty. is
so roughly. You know so, but
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people are aged generation x and above, for sure, toddle hold different way.
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Yeah, especially women. They're taught
to not state their feelings, so
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it's hard not to state your feeling
like so you end up these. You
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end up getting your feelings out other
ways, and sometimes they're less than direct,
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which drives direct people crazy, especially
like if you have adhd and you
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need simplicity in life and someone just
keeps throwing mind games all day and like
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what the fuck? So crazy.
My my mom was like that and my
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dad were like that too. But
the trippy thing is everybody has probably one
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of those symptoms, at least,
just because there's so many symptoms and narcissistic
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person yet that that makes you question
yourself. You're like, wait, and
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my Narsiss if I as am I
the secret narcissistic that thinks, Oh,
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I'm not a narcissismt everyone around you
was thinking. They're like, no,
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that's what narcissist would say. I'm
not an narcissist. No, I think
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that's something once in a while that
is narcissistic isn't the same as yeah,
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and we having narcissistic tendency exactly.
It's like being sad over a sad thing
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doesn't mean you have to press yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, that
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definitely that's it. That's a good
point. And but I think a lot
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of it just the way you feel
like, if you, if whoever's listening
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to this, feels kind of like
this is kind of fucked up. What
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do? I always feel like I'm
walking on eggshells and trying to please this
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mysterious phantom. Chances are you probably
live with the narcissist. Yeah, it's
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that feeling they give you. So
just checking off a symptoms and everything like
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that, it's almost pointless do because
there is no pill to take. You
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can't get a narcissist to take a
pill to recognize it or heal themselves,
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and they refuse to see a doctor. Maybe is why. Why would they?
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Rands are different on narcissist, like
I'm our eyes and stuff like that
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are different on under certain areas of
questions, I'm sure. I'm not really
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sure what brain scans to tell something
the doctors. She sparks some to make
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it like Oh, yeah, oh, this part of the region the brain,
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because right now the brain research in
that way is so primitive. It's
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like, Oh, look, we
can detect pain, we can detect truth
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or live. But I'm like,
how do you detect personality? Fuckery?
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How about? Yeah, how about
the Jack? Jack will know like the
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Oh, we're gonna do this in
the end. That trickles down the tree
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to you're going to do this,
I'm going to buy it and I'm gonna
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throw it on you. Yeah,
ourcissistic. I think it's a control thing.
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Maybe there is the I was reading
a narcrvis share. Doing my bidding
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and matter unasked for gifts is a
narcissist thing. They give you gifts,
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you to ask. This goes back
jet dude. Me and Jack were talking
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about this one time when I'll be
say, say, I'll I would be
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upset or something. Not Upset,
but yeah, I'm just doing my thing.
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Not The TOT's quiet. Sure that's
the word. Not Replying, okay,
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not replying to things that don't require
replies actly, some neutral and then
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show out. Someone will ask a
question and go, Oh, are you
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hungry or blah, blah blah,
or like do you want this? Do
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you want this? You want this
to try to make you feel better,
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and you're like, I'm just just
just let me, just leave me be.
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What I would like is to be
left alone. Yeah, and then,
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but then they'll buy you something without
you even asking, that they know
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you like generally, and you're like, okay, I'm not going to not
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enjoy the thing, and then they'll
use that as a fucking guilt trip after
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and they'll go his own. He'll
he's only nice to me when I'm buying
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a pizza's, yeah, or Star
Wars legos and yeah, Geez, it's
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like, but I didn't ask for
the Star Wars Lego or the pizza.
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Yeah, you brought that's trying to
suck up to me, to get me
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back on your good side so you
can manipulate me exactly. So rough it's
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just do the bidding for them.
Yeah, they call that in you in
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narcissist books, flying monkeys, like
because the he was at of all.
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Yeah, because the evil witch would
get her flying monkeys to do her bidding.
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narcissist people generally have a close knit
group of people around and find the
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people like them right. They're not
necessarily friends with each other because they talk
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shit about each other to they gossip
and they talk shit about the people they
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say they don't. They're like yeah, yeah, you know, it's they
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just like evil monkeys that fly.
It's like a little cold of narcissist.
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Yeah, alms and well, they
can all tolerate each other to some extent,
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and then they all feel somewhat in
control. So when this send out
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the monk is to do their bidding, they're like that's the enemy, and
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then all the monkeys are like reporting
back on leg exactly shit. Like that's
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how we'd feel about like family shit, I guess, about like someone's doing
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reek, like why is this person
hitting me up out of the blue,
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out of nowhere, and asking a
general question and then kind of a question
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about what we've been going on in
the family? Like how do you even
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know about that? Oh, I
know, right, right, it's all
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peripheral. It's like, Oh,
you're not transparent at all. But the
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funny thing is that's super transparent.
Once you start identifying the way they communicate.
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Instantly it's a up red flag.
They're they're doing that thing again.
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You know, it's like Jack has
been drawing his world of warcraft character for
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the past fifteen minutes. Yeah,
rendition with the different direction. I saw
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the shoulder pads and then the undeadlooking
face and the no mouths. I was
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like, Yep, it looks like
an fnomes to me. Jack created a
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fantastic character that will probably surpass emo
joe on t shirts. The sleepy face,
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got the sleepy face with the bags
under his eyes or above his eyes,
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depending on which, or above and
below. If he gets a little
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HD REVAM. I love that will
because it looks kind of almost like a
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becomes like a infinity symbol. If
you blur your eyes it kind of looks
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like one. Anyway. It doesn't
like a yeah, it that's exactly.
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It has like a balance to it. Got Love Things and balance, the
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simple, the simple, like McDonald
says, the simpler the better. We
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should watch the founder. I think
you'd like it. I see you have
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seen it. I don't want to
watch it. If Nick has already seen
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that, I watched again. I
saw you, sure, Wayne, coming
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back from Florida like a couple years
ago. Oh and the rest of inglorious
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pastards. Yes, at the first
that for sure. We're going to rewind.
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We're going to the fast bender part
the party. Fast pender came in
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and got sent to the little bar
underground. Will start there. I wasn't
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buying Brad Pitt at the beginning,
but then once they got to he just
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sticks with it, you know what
I mean? That's here. That's that's
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a characters like he can't just say
Nancy's every time. They fucking say where
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Nancy's nasty hunters. It's pretty funny. I like it. There's there's a
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lot of people in that movie.
There's weather's Daniel Brule. Is that one
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dude? And then Mike Myers,
yeah, the kid from the office that
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Mark Marin hates Novak. Yeah,
and then there's that one other dude that
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we're like, isn't he and stuff? He's like a little see's like a
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b side actor, I think.
Oh well, couple people from the Marvel
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Universe and fast benders in there right. I think the lady was in a
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man, I mean in fucking Captain
America, The lady they met at the
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bar downstairs. You might have fallen
asleep at that point and maybe that's it
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was good, though. Well,
rewind little, really wind, Jackie Brown.
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I can't believe you guys haven't Seen
Jack Brown. That's one of the
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more fun fucking modern day because it's
all Tarantino. It's like the modern day
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soundtrack. Heard it's been. It's
been, what's the word? Titled as
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a or something like that, as
a hangout movie, designated like a talkie
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cult classic hang out. Like the
way the dialog goes throughout the movie,
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I heard, is like hangout,
ee. That's what it's faired. Lots
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of people hanging out. For sure, you can just chilling shit. Every
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once in a while someone gets killed. There you go and Oh, but
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there's also this ominous threat throughout the
movie because there's two feds trying to track
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down gun runners. Geez, I
don't know the story. Yeah, that's
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basically that's Jackie browns caught in the
middle of it because she's transporting money in
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her case. All right, nick, I say you give us a little
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outro with this character. All Right, so Jack has been drawing to character
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and now nick is going to give
it out. Now I just sound now,
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I just think of an undead from
wow. It's like, but tod
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they already have a sound. Well, what's a line that say? You
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go to the loot, you got
to sell some items. They're like how
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does the undead when see, I
just got the undeads from wow in my
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head. Now they're like go forth
right, the forsaken ones. What if
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that thing had red hair, you
know, to spice it up a little
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bit? I guess. How would
that sounded? Look a little nasal thought.
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Yeah, I like naked little zest. Maybe got to make a make
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a nasal drop a little Tony Tony
share hes on it, one of those,
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one of the little pads as they
due on all first you got her.
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Yeah, making kind of neas.
I guess some fucking weird sounds in
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here, but I'm not sure I
have that one yet. What was the
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one we added besides the Randy Marshall
One? Let me see, big rain.
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What was? Oh, Hey,
pe, fuck you. That was
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older. Here's a bunch of Oh
knows, the Vince Neil all rock and
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shout, the double and been do, but do the fucking Vince Neil.
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I guess. Got Several hundred bucks
off some fan APP and you can.
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You can. You could submit pay
a bunch of money and have them like
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record. They'll be your monkey for
a little bit. Yeah, we we
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can record a greeting. So someone
paid the Motley Cruz singer like six hundred
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bucks and he records this shit like
at home going up the elevator in Vegas
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and he's super drunk. Yeah,
a shath of brothers. It's a big
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four. Oh, I heard they
announced another farewell to her. Oh yeah,
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she'ses bien do some bid do.
I can't even. I can't imagine
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how much those tickets were for the
first farewell. I can because we went
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really where the last show, the
very last. Yeah, staple center,
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New Year's Eve. That was last
show ever. Two thousand and seventeen.
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Sixteen or seventeen. We got our
tshirts in the parking lot from the black
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dude who had pirated shit. He
had already made like privated shirts. Is
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like a super bowl ones of the
other team. But plus, these were
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these were great because they were bad. I mean they were just kind of
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fucked up looking like I was like, contin that's awesome, but he was
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doing it for like ten bucks and
they're getting like fifty bucks inside by do
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and I'm like the same concert and
we're like the probably tour again, anyway.
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Oh and hey, look there they
are, toured again. Go vious
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new bid any other narcissism topics.
We can talk about the samples. That
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was pretty free flow. There was
some good examples in that article. I
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could share the link to the article
in the notes below. Hey, click
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below and hit subscribe. But yeah, there's play. I mean I always
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figured people listening to a podcast also
have the Internet. thinking. Pretty much
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key in any any turn we talked
about. But I think a lot of
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people that deal with narcissist in their
immediate environment we're probably sitting there nodding their
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heads to everything we said. Come
Fuck, yeah, oh, totally,
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and this and that and you know, because once you find people that experience
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the same shit, it's like I'll
hear the specific examples, but oh yeah,
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you burned your hand with fire on
a stove, so did I.
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Well, then you find those people. But when you find people that are
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they're experiencing the thing that we've been
trained not to even think as a thing,
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because fucking people with MPD will gas
light you, they'll make you think
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you're crazy, they'll create all this
crazy span and nonsense. They like put
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it back on you as if it
were you. So, especially to the
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listener, if you think you're feeling
crazy, but you know, you're not
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actually crazy, you're not hearing voices
kind of crazy. But if you feel
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like you're nuts, you probably not
nuts. You probably like us. You're
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probably just like a victim of like
narcissistic abuse, in the Flying Bok,
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acissism, control or some other good
words. Control is the big one,
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for sure. But, and you
know, the thing is, though,
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it's their disorder, but since they
can't get help, like, what do
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you do? Form like I have
sympathy for people that are drunks, heroin
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addicts, any kind of mental disorder. I mean, yeah, okay,
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you got a thing, you acknowledge
it, you deal with it. narcissists
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never acknowledge it. That's their thing, that is part of their thing.
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And like, well, how do
you deal with that? And every expert
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of ever seen or read about it's
like you can't. You just have to.
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Basically, you are a narcissist drug. They're addicted to you. What
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do you think happens if you call
them out just blatantly, right to their
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face? Yeah, they don't know. I'm the NARM experiences, like they
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don't like the fat. Yeah,
you can diagnose me now. Okay,
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okay, that's what I am.
So let me tell you what you are.
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Yeah, they turn it on you. It'll it'll total deflection, like
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it'll just deflect right off in the
right field, foul ball, like he'd
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like you did even hit the ball. They're like, bring up something that
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you did two months ago or just
for forty years ago. Yeah, they
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carry some shit for decades, Dude. That's the weirdest thing. That's when
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you start to realize, Oh yeah, I actually can't be too entangled with
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that. You're like, why are
you doing about some shit like that's not
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obviously people change. Do you never
change? I guess no, no,
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they don't, not in that way, not in a way that puts the
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burden of change on them. Yeah, Oh, you made me change,
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I had to or this and that, or the world's against me, or
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something like playing the victim is in
habit that's out of they're all on that's
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either all on your side or a
hundred percent for you or, yeah,
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negatively towards you, for sure.
That's how I feel about fascism. Like
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the ideologic the ide the ideology of
fascism is you're either a hundred percent with
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us or we're a hundred percent against
you. So there's no room for deviation
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of thought. And that's just exactly
how, like a lot of hardcore narcissists,
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aarts like well, you do think
by way, and we make things
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appear to be this way and you're
going to be a happy damn it,
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and that's it. As like well, except for on Saturdays, I like
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to do this. NOPE, you're
the enemy, kind of like a bad
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Alpen, Cheeto, bad bade.
Now back to the wall, and now,
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and now, you gotta get a
bottom of her voice in the world
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somewhere. Probably shouldn't said his name, but still, I can still eat
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this part out. I might cut
it about thirty seconds back or just put
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this in. Oh right, cool. Well, thanks for listening. And
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if you didn't know, the two
people have been talking to all my sons.
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That's Nick and that's Jack. I'm
nick. High Nick Jack, Hi
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Jack. We both sound pretty similar, I imagine. I would imagine so
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too. So, yeah, if
we were a family of emotions, that's
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nick emotions and Jack Emotions. Jack, deep bub all righty. Well,
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you have a great day. Thanks
for listening to the PODCAST. We'll talk
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