Marci Delmastro | bPolarArt

WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:02.919 Hey, what's up? It's John. This is live from Emo Dojo. 2 00:00:03.279 --> 00:00:07.389 We are in the heart of the holidays right here in America. Christmas is 3 00:00:07.509 --> 00:00:11.029 coming up next week and man, let's get to it. I've got a 4 00:00:11.070 --> 00:00:16.870 killer interview today. This is an artist I reached out to. I would 5 00:00:16.870 --> 00:00:22.739 say a fine artist. Does abstract art. She does watercolor paint, oil 6 00:00:22.780 --> 00:00:28.179 paint and things like that. She also does jewelry and bead work and things 7 00:00:28.219 --> 00:00:33.219 like that, like folk card as well. She claims she's not a drawer. 8 00:00:33.619 --> 00:00:37.969 She does not draw, so we'll get into all these details. It's 9 00:00:38.009 --> 00:00:42.409 going to be a fun interview. Her name's Marcy. Her twitter account is 10 00:00:42.810 --> 00:00:48.009 be polar art. She's also be polar arts on open see if you want 11 00:00:48.009 --> 00:00:53.799 to look at her nftee and men. She's like one of us, straight 12 00:00:53.840 --> 00:00:58.799 up bipolar, and we had a great conversation, lots of good energy and 13 00:00:59.600 --> 00:01:06.510 man just well represents the bipolar kind of mindset at large. So I appreciate 14 00:01:06.629 --> 00:01:11.269 her time. I appreciate you for listening and we've got more great artist coming 15 00:01:11.310 --> 00:01:15.390 up next week. We've got a photographer next week and then I'm going to 16 00:01:15.430 --> 00:01:19.299 take a break for the remainder of the year and then I'll see you like 17 00:01:19.420 --> 00:01:23.700 two weeks after that. Cool, cool, all right, check it out. 18 00:01:23.099 --> 00:01:37.609 This is Marci live from Emo Dojo. Hello, this was marcy. 19 00:01:38.049 --> 00:01:44.689 Marcie, it's John. What's going on? Nothing, how are you? 20 00:01:45.329 --> 00:01:48.560 Cool, cool. Are you ready? Are you good to go? Yeah, 21 00:01:48.680 --> 00:01:52.400 I'm good. I'm good. I'm excited. Awesome. You wouldn't believe 22 00:01:53.000 --> 00:01:56.079 how many people I used to have. Guessed a lot, and then I 23 00:01:56.159 --> 00:01:59.760 stopped, because most people just don't show up at all on I never hear 24 00:01:59.840 --> 00:02:02.150 from them ever again. They totally go through. So yeah, now I'm 25 00:02:02.150 --> 00:02:07.030 glad you're here. Thanks for showing up and I think really appreciate your time. 26 00:02:07.109 --> 00:02:08.789 So we're going to have we're gonna have a good conversation. I love 27 00:02:08.830 --> 00:02:13.349 it. Yeah, we are, we are. So I have to tell 28 00:02:13.430 --> 00:02:23.620 you. Yeah, last night I finally got the gas fees were eighty dollars, 29 00:02:24.219 --> 00:02:30.370 and so I got my first items listed on open seas last night and 30 00:02:30.449 --> 00:02:34.889 I sold one piece. Oh, you can't. Congratulations. Are you kidding 31 00:02:34.930 --> 00:02:38.250 me? You listed and sold on the first day. I fucking listed and 32 00:02:38.330 --> 00:02:45.479 told them the first day. I I'm I was like, I'm shocked. 33 00:02:45.719 --> 00:02:51.280 Okay, seiously, I'm only shocked because your art is good. That might 34 00:02:51.400 --> 00:02:53.159 sound counterinsuite, if you know what I mean, but we've seen all the 35 00:02:53.199 --> 00:02:59.509 garbage that's been passing as quote unquote, our while they're doing the the multilevel, 36 00:02:59.830 --> 00:03:04.270 like PfP, the profile pick projects and things like that. That's originally 37 00:03:04.389 --> 00:03:07.069 what caught my attention and it made me manic for about all three or four 38 00:03:07.189 --> 00:03:10.229 weeks until I backed off and realized, wait, I'm not into that. 39 00:03:10.349 --> 00:03:14.580 Let me back up and just do what I like to do. And then, 40 00:03:14.699 --> 00:03:17.139 yeah, so I like to podcast and I like to podcast with people 41 00:03:17.180 --> 00:03:21.939 that actually make art. That to me looks like art that it's established. 42 00:03:21.979 --> 00:03:23.620 You have a voice, you have a talent, like I can identify when 43 00:03:23.620 --> 00:03:27.139 I see a piece of work, I look at yours, I'm like, 44 00:03:27.169 --> 00:03:30.409 that's from the same person, that's from the same person, and then I 45 00:03:30.530 --> 00:03:34.050 want to know who that person is. So that's fucking great. I'm so 46 00:03:34.250 --> 00:03:37.330 proud of you for doing that and it's really like, I don't know, 47 00:03:38.090 --> 00:03:42.400 a God send for our audience to hear that this does happen. You can 48 00:03:42.520 --> 00:03:47.800 actually go sell your art and wow, that's stunning. Congratulations. Thank you. 49 00:03:49.039 --> 00:03:55.789 I'm I'm so excited. I had a total anxiety attack last night when 50 00:03:55.789 --> 00:04:03.189 I was because the first two times when I listed, I brought the the 51 00:04:03.310 --> 00:04:08.310 guests beat down really low, thinking that it just would take like a day 52 00:04:08.629 --> 00:04:11.900 for my things to be posted right. But so I love. So I 53 00:04:11.979 --> 00:04:15.060 lost like thirty bucks, which, you know, that's a lot of money. 54 00:04:15.980 --> 00:04:20.620 So I was like petrified last night that I was going to lose the 55 00:04:20.699 --> 00:04:25.769 money. So it was like I had like just a super anxiety attack and 56 00:04:25.850 --> 00:04:29.410 I was just like I had to like it was like you know what it's 57 00:04:29.410 --> 00:04:32.329 like. Fai No, my heart starting to beat fast just thinking about it 58 00:04:33.009 --> 00:04:35.569 exactly. I was like, Oh my God, Oh my God, and 59 00:04:35.649 --> 00:04:42.319 then like thank God it went through. That is so petrified. That is 60 00:04:42.800 --> 00:04:46.519 awesome. Plus it must be so uplifting too, because it's really rewarding. 61 00:04:46.560 --> 00:04:49.319 You're not playing a game, you don't have a development team or a freaking 62 00:04:49.399 --> 00:04:54.670 road map. You're a true artist who clearly has been working at your craft 63 00:04:54.670 --> 00:04:58.430 for a long time, who found the hidden door into the metaverse and Bam, 64 00:04:58.550 --> 00:05:00.430 it's worked for you. So I think that gives you a lot of 65 00:05:00.470 --> 00:05:04.110 confidence moving forward now. I don't know, I've seen sometimes there's been other 66 00:05:04.149 --> 00:05:10.819 artist on this show, in fact recently that they're killer artist. They've been 67 00:05:10.819 --> 00:05:13.420 at it. They caught a wave and then it kind of slows down. 68 00:05:13.459 --> 00:05:15.300 So I'm always like, okay, everyone, hold on tight, there's waves. 69 00:05:15.339 --> 00:05:19.939 It just going to keep moving. And Oh my God, so you 70 00:05:20.139 --> 00:05:25.089 started off right on a wave. That's amazing. You know, you had 71 00:05:25.129 --> 00:05:31.129 an had a guest on Mom Huh. Yeah, yeah, methods of mine. 72 00:05:31.209 --> 00:05:36.319 That's epic thunder chat. Yeah, and she, she and I have 73 00:05:36.639 --> 00:05:44.360 developed a friendship and she brought something to my attention. She's I can't remember 74 00:05:44.360 --> 00:05:54.470 what it was, but it's basically like it's like a people with Adhd oftentimes, 75 00:05:54.670 --> 00:05:57.589 and and I have adhd also, because I know you do too, 76 00:05:57.750 --> 00:06:06.379 yes, where it's like you you're so afraid to fail and it's like you're 77 00:06:06.379 --> 00:06:10.579 always mind reading, like, Oh my God, I'm going to fail. 78 00:06:12.500 --> 00:06:15.779 Why don't I have it on the top of my head? But basically it's 79 00:06:15.860 --> 00:06:20.329 just like I one of the things that I'm really really working on in my 80 00:06:20.490 --> 00:06:28.050 therapy is like slow down. Just because you don't do something in a week 81 00:06:28.089 --> 00:06:30.490 doesn't need your mean you're a failure. So this is going to be really, 82 00:06:30.730 --> 00:06:34.600 really, really taxing on me. Yeah, emotionally to try to not 83 00:06:35.000 --> 00:06:40.720 be, because I have a friend who like fit, that's how I found 84 00:06:40.720 --> 00:06:44.360 out about this, who like had really, really great success at it, 85 00:06:45.319 --> 00:06:51.949 and so it's going to be really difficult for me to constantly put the brakes 86 00:06:53.029 --> 00:06:58.269 on. And it's weird because, like I've never really I mean, I've 87 00:06:58.310 --> 00:07:03.379 been on twitter forever, but I never used it right say. And it's 88 00:07:03.500 --> 00:07:09.740 weird because, like I've been out there, like you know, stratten my 89 00:07:09.819 --> 00:07:13.259 stuff. I shouldn't say stratten, because that would mean that I'm more confident. 90 00:07:14.339 --> 00:07:17.730 I was out there, like you know, saying Hey, look at 91 00:07:17.769 --> 00:07:21.689 my art, and it was you. You would think that it wouldn't be 92 00:07:21.769 --> 00:07:27.449 work to, you know, spend hours a day on twitter trying to get 93 00:07:27.490 --> 00:07:30.959 people feel like guys, yeah, it's so much work, much fucking work, 94 00:07:31.079 --> 00:07:34.199 and it's believe. Yeah, and it's not our work. We're creative 95 00:07:34.279 --> 00:07:38.839 people. I was just thinking about this on twitter this morning. Is Matter 96 00:07:38.879 --> 00:07:43.480 of fact, like Da Vinci and Rembrandt and all those fuckers. They didn't 97 00:07:43.480 --> 00:07:46.509 worry about building a community, they didn't worry about the utility, and there 98 00:07:46.550 --> 00:07:49.709 aren't. They got to focus on being art and nowadays it seems like and 99 00:07:49.829 --> 00:07:54.709 it's so awkward because most artists are, I don't know, maybe I'm stereotyping 100 00:07:54.790 --> 00:07:58.069 here, but we seem to be more introverted and we speak through our art. 101 00:07:58.579 --> 00:08:01.699 So when we have to like speak up and say words on twitter, 102 00:08:01.740 --> 00:08:03.860 it feels so awkward. And you don't if you haven't if you don't have 103 00:08:03.860 --> 00:08:07.420 a voice, and like cut some of my accounts are cranky voices because they 104 00:08:07.420 --> 00:08:13.009 are political accounts, so I have to like change my whole voice and move 105 00:08:13.129 --> 00:08:16.730 over into the like nft twitter, and I don't like the weird languages all 106 00:08:16.769 --> 00:08:20.170 those crypto people use anyway. So it's just a really weird thing to sell. 107 00:08:20.250 --> 00:08:24.329 So I think you're doing great. Like we follow each other on twitter 108 00:08:24.689 --> 00:08:30.439 and your banters back and forth it seems very genuine, very authentic and very 109 00:08:30.519 --> 00:08:33.279 real. You know what I mean, because you share your express your ups 110 00:08:33.399 --> 00:08:35.279 and your downs, and I think that's important for people here. It's not 111 00:08:35.320 --> 00:08:39.320 all ups, for sure, especially for for folks like us, when we 112 00:08:39.480 --> 00:08:43.070 are driven by the next new thing with the whole Adh. They's like, 113 00:08:43.110 --> 00:08:45.269 Oh, whe's the shiny new thing? Oh, then you back up and 114 00:08:45.309 --> 00:08:46.909 look backwards. Am I doing good enough to do it right and my what? 115 00:08:48.230 --> 00:08:50.990 What the fuck everyone? And that starts moving so fast because, like 116 00:08:50.110 --> 00:08:54.870 you said, if you've got a friend or an associate who is already successful 117 00:08:54.470 --> 00:08:58.019 but now they're in your atmosphere, you compare yourselves to the people in your 118 00:08:58.059 --> 00:09:03.259 atmosphere and that that's even more pressure. And now it's the holidays and I've 119 00:09:03.340 --> 00:09:07.860 told people on in the show before that a lot of people with mental health 120 00:09:07.899 --> 00:09:11.649 problems don't have a lot of money because the history of either roller coaster jobs 121 00:09:13.129 --> 00:09:16.850 and or lack of lack of treatment or expensive treatment or whatever. So we 122 00:09:16.929 --> 00:09:20.570 just don't have a lot of money. So when normal people, especially the 123 00:09:20.649 --> 00:09:24.360 quote unquote starving artists, show up into the NFT world, it's a fucking 124 00:09:24.480 --> 00:09:28.600 mind blow and it's like, okay, it's five dollars, sir, Oh, 125 00:09:28.600 --> 00:09:30.879 I'm by the way, tax is a hundred and twenty, and like 126 00:09:31.000 --> 00:09:35.360 what are you star kidding? It's mind blowing and you really have to pick 127 00:09:35.440 --> 00:09:39.830 and choose what you're doing and how to organize your art the way you want 128 00:09:39.830 --> 00:09:43.830 it presented, and then also not make the mistake of deleting something and find 129 00:09:43.830 --> 00:09:46.710 out, oh, that cost gas or I don't want to get into a 130 00:09:46.710 --> 00:09:50.950 gas conversation. But yeah, this the administrative fees are scary and it is 131 00:09:50.990 --> 00:09:54.980 a break the bank thing and it's fucking Christmas time. So Geez, it 132 00:09:56.139 --> 00:10:01.299 really gets stressful. Yeah, I would. I couldn't believe it. When 133 00:10:01.299 --> 00:10:05.139 I saw that it was eighty dollars last night, I was like Holy Shit, 134 00:10:05.460 --> 00:10:07.450 yeah, because I've been waiting to jump on it, you know, 135 00:10:07.850 --> 00:10:11.889 and I was also afraid. I had asked you, as you know, 136 00:10:11.009 --> 00:10:15.250 once you do your listing, if you have to pay a fee every time 137 00:10:15.330 --> 00:10:18.450 after that. So I was like, you know, AH, was I 138 00:10:18.490 --> 00:10:20.759 got scared to list my second item because I'm like, okay, is it 139 00:10:20.840 --> 00:10:24.440 going to cost anything? And then once it didn't, I was like, 140 00:10:24.519 --> 00:10:28.799 all right, you listen, and I could. I couldn't sleep last night. 141 00:10:28.840 --> 00:10:31.799 I was like I was like up sow late. I was like, 142 00:10:31.919 --> 00:10:35.230 Oh my God. Well, there's a poor person's way to solve that problem, 143 00:10:35.549 --> 00:10:39.309 and it's just don't put very much money in your wallet. So basically, 144 00:10:39.309 --> 00:10:41.389 if you try to do something, yeah, if you don't have enough 145 00:10:41.429 --> 00:10:43.909 to pay the gas, it'll just kick it back and say you don't have 146 00:10:43.950 --> 00:10:46.909 enough to pay the gas. I'm like, Oh okay, well, that 147 00:10:46.070 --> 00:10:50.620 gas is too damn much then. Yeah, it's funny, you know what? 148 00:10:50.980 --> 00:10:54.500 And and you know what, my working class ask. Okay, I 149 00:10:54.580 --> 00:11:00.059 got two hundred dollars right better, and I need a real gas bank account 150 00:11:00.139 --> 00:11:03.179 before someone peel straight up like, I need real gas because I got to 151 00:11:03.220 --> 00:11:07.370 go to my real job to help pay for this little hobby of mine that 152 00:11:07.450 --> 00:11:15.330 I can't explain to anybody. Yeah, I just like so, you know, 153 00:11:15.730 --> 00:11:18.960 it was really good. I mean I just it was. It was. 154 00:11:20.240 --> 00:11:24.759 I was so happy last night that I was able to list like that 155 00:11:24.960 --> 00:11:26.960 right there, and it's because I have a really hard time figuring things out. 156 00:11:28.120 --> 00:11:31.559 Yeah, and it's more complex that it should be. The user interface 157 00:11:31.600 --> 00:11:35.789 right now for all the systems, for both object and tezos and OPENSEA and 158 00:11:35.990 --> 00:11:39.590 etherium. There's a lot of steps to people have to get through and you 159 00:11:39.710 --> 00:11:43.269 really have to be single minded to make your way through it. Yeah, 160 00:11:43.909 --> 00:11:48.059 yeah, but once you did it, and you did and man, you 161 00:11:48.139 --> 00:11:50.019 came to the other side that. So let's back up a bit. Let's 162 00:11:50.059 --> 00:11:56.860 talk about both your bipolar and your art, because I'm not as fascinated by 163 00:11:56.899 --> 00:12:00.379 people's bipolar because obviously I have it. Most of our audience does too. 164 00:12:00.419 --> 00:12:03.169 So you don't have to get too nitty gritty, but tell us things like 165 00:12:03.450 --> 00:12:07.370 when did you find out and how did that intersect with art in your life? 166 00:12:07.409 --> 00:12:11.129 Where you artistic before you found out you had bipolar or vice versa? 167 00:12:11.250 --> 00:12:18.039 You know, things like that. Yeah, Um, so I think I've 168 00:12:18.080 --> 00:12:24.000 been creative since I was a child. I when I was a child, 169 00:12:24.039 --> 00:12:28.919 I was always good at creativity. I I've never been good at like drawing, 170 00:12:28.039 --> 00:12:33.070 like technical stuff. Yeah, like, but like, for instance, 171 00:12:33.110 --> 00:12:39.309 I played the saxophone for a little while. What then then? You know, 172 00:12:39.429 --> 00:12:45.179 I just like during high school and stuff, I like I was in 173 00:12:45.340 --> 00:12:50.740 all remedial classes, and I joke about this because I think it's funny, 174 00:12:50.779 --> 00:12:54.220 but really it's not funny. Like I at that time I was too stupid 175 00:12:54.299 --> 00:13:00.289 to tell that it was in remi class. I don't think so. Sometimes 176 00:13:00.330 --> 00:13:03.049 the idea of intelligence, I think it's just a misalignment of our intelligence. 177 00:13:03.210 --> 00:13:07.929 Is Like we're intelligence in like outer space ways and they just don't fit into 178 00:13:07.009 --> 00:13:13.960 simpleton schools exactly. Yeah, I feel so. Yeah, so I um, 179 00:13:15.679 --> 00:13:18.440 since pretty much, you know, most of my life have been creative 180 00:13:18.519 --> 00:13:24.200 and after I got into high school I had no idea what to do with 181 00:13:24.320 --> 00:13:31.909 my life and it wasn't really something like that was impressed upon like where I 182 00:13:31.070 --> 00:13:35.309 grew up at. I grew up just outside of the south side of Chicago 183 00:13:35.149 --> 00:13:41.740 and was very working class. And you really didn't, you didn't think about 184 00:13:41.779 --> 00:13:46.740 your futures, just like you know, you just you just solved along and 185 00:13:48.259 --> 00:13:52.059 whatever happened happened. But I was just like, you know, I need 186 00:13:52.179 --> 00:13:56.970 to, I need to take some art classes at my community college. Nice, 187 00:13:56.049 --> 00:14:01.210 good move. And Yeah, and I I I've never been able to 188 00:14:01.289 --> 00:14:11.120 drop I like, I love, like ceramics and sculpture, and I avoided 189 00:14:11.240 --> 00:14:18.399 drawing classes at all cost unless it was something that was a prerequisite for another 190 00:14:18.600 --> 00:14:22.480 class. Why was that? Do you know? You do recall why you 191 00:14:22.600 --> 00:14:28.309 were like apprehensive about taking the drawing portion? Well, I've never been able, 192 00:14:28.549 --> 00:14:35.950 I I just can't translate the world in from d you know. Yeah, 193 00:14:37.269 --> 00:14:45.100 and like when I was in Dr One class, I was like always 194 00:14:45.220 --> 00:14:48.980 petrified, you know, that like the student next to me was going to 195 00:14:48.019 --> 00:14:52.059 be looking at my art or my drawing and be like, Oh my God, 196 00:14:52.179 --> 00:14:54.690 their girl can't draw her shit. Yes, okay, and I really 197 00:14:54.889 --> 00:14:58.929 and I really can't draw. I mean I've found ways around it. There's 198 00:14:58.929 --> 00:15:01.769 Times where you will look at my artwork and be like, oh, she 199 00:15:01.889 --> 00:15:05.929 can draw, what is she talking about? But in general now I can't 200 00:15:05.929 --> 00:15:13.759 draw and I never enjoyed the process of trying to translate the three dimensional world 201 00:15:13.879 --> 00:15:22.629 into this, you know, flat world. And I went to school for 202 00:15:22.750 --> 00:15:28.629 a while. I ended up getting an associate space but four years got it 203 00:15:28.710 --> 00:15:35.860 and associate degree, which was Major. Yeah, and definitely was dating. 204 00:15:35.220 --> 00:15:43.820 I was dating somebody who really really pushed me to do more and I by 205 00:15:43.899 --> 00:15:50.250 the time I graduated, I became very annoyed by the art community because you 206 00:15:50.330 --> 00:15:54.370 know the art communities, they always they always professed to be like, Oh, 207 00:15:54.610 --> 00:15:58.169 I'm not part of the establishment. No, you may not be part 208 00:15:58.210 --> 00:16:03.169 of the large establishment, but you still are part of an establishment. Yeah, 209 00:16:03.250 --> 00:16:07.240 a smaller establishment, which is the art world. And it just disgusted 210 00:16:07.360 --> 00:16:15.159 me and I stopped making artwork until it around around two thou I started doing 211 00:16:15.240 --> 00:16:23.350 different creative things like making jewelry and learning how to sell and but in my 212 00:16:23.669 --> 00:16:29.190 in my mind, I was always creating artwork. So I always I always 213 00:16:29.230 --> 00:16:33.659 think like you don't have to pick up a pen or anything, you can 214 00:16:33.779 --> 00:16:37.059 just be a creative, you can just be an artist strictly in your head, 215 00:16:37.299 --> 00:16:44.139 for sure. So so I, you know, went on to study 216 00:16:44.379 --> 00:16:48.529 for my that's rest degree, and I thought I wanted to be a sociologist 217 00:16:49.409 --> 00:16:57.730 and that that just didn't work out, and then I started writing poetry and 218 00:16:59.889 --> 00:17:07.359 I loved it and I got some work published. But writing makes me manic 219 00:17:07.000 --> 00:17:11.240 because when I go to bed, when I go to bed, I can't 220 00:17:11.319 --> 00:17:15.589 stop writing poetry in my head. So I had to put the brakes on 221 00:17:15.750 --> 00:17:21.190 it because, you know, a lot of bipolar people they like they like 222 00:17:21.390 --> 00:17:25.589 mania. I think it's awful. I don't like the feeling that like I'm, 223 00:17:25.829 --> 00:17:29.990 you know, always like, you know, drink a pot of qualfee. 224 00:17:30.940 --> 00:17:33.180 Yeah, yeah, that's true. I think a lot of and there's 225 00:17:33.180 --> 00:17:36.420 the whole spectrum of Hypomania to mania, and I think a lot of times 226 00:17:36.500 --> 00:17:40.380 people just throw the word mania out there when they're probably just capple mania because, 227 00:17:40.779 --> 00:17:42.940 frankly, yeah, there's it is because I have bipolar shy. So 228 00:17:44.220 --> 00:17:47.410 it's just it like Hypo mania is just such a it's such a weird word. 229 00:17:47.450 --> 00:17:51.289 And so it's a stupid word. Yeah, it's too many syllables, 230 00:17:51.369 --> 00:17:55.730 right. But yeah, so I get all agitated and then I start ruminating 231 00:17:56.049 --> 00:17:57.640 and I think that does that happen to you when you start doing poetry, 232 00:17:57.799 --> 00:18:00.920 like in the evening or something? Yeah, H, yeah, and I 233 00:18:02.039 --> 00:18:06.400 can't go to sleep. So so, years ago I shut it all and 234 00:18:06.839 --> 00:18:11.640 it makes me very sad because it was a very deliberate intellectual process for me, 235 00:18:14.349 --> 00:18:21.470 because what I would basically shave that piece of poetry down to like a 236 00:18:21.670 --> 00:18:26.859 sliver, and about this. Hopefully I can recite this properly, so that 237 00:18:27.099 --> 00:18:33.380 the one my favorite poem, that's one of the ones that is published. 238 00:18:33.500 --> 00:18:41.140 What it's called. Even hope was a scoundrel. Even hope was a scoundrel. 239 00:18:41.609 --> 00:18:45.049 Hunger is pain, this strain to feed their face. When you read 240 00:18:45.130 --> 00:18:52.730 me empty, I betray shave. And the thing is is, you know, 241 00:18:53.130 --> 00:19:00.680 as bipolar people and adhd people, where used to like superfluous shit just 242 00:19:00.880 --> 00:19:04.599 like flying all over the place. Yeah, it's like it's like, you 243 00:19:04.720 --> 00:19:08.519 know, like you'd everything in our life is like opening a bag of Potato 244 00:19:08.599 --> 00:19:12.309 Che yeah, just flies all over the place. That's so funny because, 245 00:19:12.589 --> 00:19:17.670 you know, people think we say slightly odd things or maybe talk a little 246 00:19:17.750 --> 00:19:19.829 fast, but man, if they only knew what was going on in our 247 00:19:19.910 --> 00:19:22.509 head when all that was coming up. It's like, Oh, yeah, 248 00:19:22.589 --> 00:19:26.579 that's the edited version already, like you can't imagine what's happening in there. 249 00:19:26.740 --> 00:19:32.259 That's that's wild. Yeah, yeah, so, so it's interesting because my 250 00:19:32.339 --> 00:19:37.099 poetry always was just the shaved down version of everything, which is not the 251 00:19:37.180 --> 00:19:41.130 way that I live my life because it just that takes so much effort. 252 00:19:41.410 --> 00:19:48.289 But the intellectual process of making poetry is unlike UN of is unlike any other 253 00:19:48.369 --> 00:19:53.039 thing for me, because I can't really do very much conceptual art because for 254 00:19:53.160 --> 00:20:00.640 me conceptual art really requires a lot of like planning and in and ability to 255 00:20:00.839 --> 00:20:06.359 draw, at least maybe in my conceptual art. Sure mind. Yeah, 256 00:20:07.789 --> 00:20:11.509 so, yeah, so I think it's a real shame that I had to 257 00:20:11.630 --> 00:20:14.589 cut poetry out of my life. Oh, but what I was saying was, 258 00:20:14.710 --> 00:20:18.109 so I stopped making art forever. Yeah, I just became I was 259 00:20:18.230 --> 00:20:22.299 just disgusted by the art community. I'm like, you guys all professed to 260 00:20:22.380 --> 00:20:26.539 be these you know, Oh, I'm so different. And well, yeah, 261 00:20:26.619 --> 00:20:30.740 you're different from the larger community, but you still have a little community 262 00:20:30.819 --> 00:20:33.099 and you're just, you know, a bunch of sheep inside of that community. 263 00:20:33.180 --> 00:20:37.089 To Look Click, Yep. Yeah, yeah, and then I just, 264 00:20:37.609 --> 00:20:40.569 like Gott, I keep making art, loook in my head and I 265 00:20:40.690 --> 00:20:44.410 had to say, you know, sewing, I don't, I you're not 266 00:20:44.529 --> 00:20:48.849 important. Making jewelry, you're not important. I had a really, really 267 00:20:48.970 --> 00:21:00.279 edit my creative endeavors down because I really I didn't want I didn't want to 268 00:21:00.359 --> 00:21:03.589 be in my what's really, really important to me in my art to be 269 00:21:03.829 --> 00:21:10.390 I didn't want it to interfere with that. Basically, yeah, yeah, 270 00:21:10.589 --> 00:21:23.380 what ended up being left what was important. I you know, in my 271 00:21:23.779 --> 00:21:30.220 mind at least, the kind of gewelry I was doing, you know, 272 00:21:30.339 --> 00:21:36.250 putting beats together. Yeah, design, it's design, but it's it's not. 273 00:21:36.730 --> 00:21:41.289 And so is sewing. It's design, but there's there's an element of 274 00:21:41.369 --> 00:21:47.519 it that doesn't doesn't exist, that exists and what I consider art. Mean 275 00:21:47.559 --> 00:21:52.680 there's a fine line between what's craft, I mean, what's happy, and 276 00:21:52.920 --> 00:21:56.279 what's our yeah, no, I see what you mean. I used to 277 00:21:56.319 --> 00:22:00.119 go to like folk art museums, so they really blur the lines there between. 278 00:22:00.359 --> 00:22:03.430 You know, clearly it seems like art to me, like, I 279 00:22:03.509 --> 00:22:06.869 don't. It seems like in every form, like bead work particularly, and 280 00:22:06.910 --> 00:22:11.670 jewelry, things like that. I don't see how they're not art. Yes, 281 00:22:11.069 --> 00:22:15.109 I agree. So, yeah, it's at the same but at the 282 00:22:15.190 --> 00:22:18.619 same time there's just something different about it. Yeah, well, and it's 283 00:22:18.700 --> 00:22:22.779 more and you're maybe beat because you're creating something that has utility where other art 284 00:22:22.859 --> 00:22:26.420 doesn't. necessarily. We've talked about utility a lot. But also I used 285 00:22:26.420 --> 00:22:30.490 to watch my grandmother needle point and Crochet and things like that. So there 286 00:22:30.490 --> 00:22:36.690 must be something meditative or hypnotic or whatever about just continually moving your fingers like 287 00:22:36.970 --> 00:22:40.650 people that self stimulate on the autism spectrum, you know, that kind of 288 00:22:40.769 --> 00:22:45.079 motion. There's definitely something to rocking in your chair and and creating, especially 289 00:22:45.079 --> 00:22:48.519 if it's art. But yeah, for sure, jewelry, definitely art. 290 00:22:48.559 --> 00:22:52.880 That sounds neat, yes, which it's. I did it for a while 291 00:22:52.200 --> 00:23:00.470 and I just needed that more. I just really needed what I consider, 292 00:23:00.869 --> 00:23:04.549 you know, I don't adds, hard to explain because I don't really never 293 00:23:04.670 --> 00:23:08.750 really put my finger on it. But so I put all that stuff aside 294 00:23:10.029 --> 00:23:14.900 and I started drying because, you know, I don't have the money to 295 00:23:15.019 --> 00:23:18.099 have a sculpture studio. I don't have some money to have, you know, 296 00:23:18.259 --> 00:23:22.019 to take ceramic classes and sculpture classes. So I said, I I 297 00:23:22.220 --> 00:23:27.650 need to, I you need to be creative and I said screw it, 298 00:23:27.769 --> 00:23:32.809 I'm just going to start drying. And do you do you know, a 299 00:23:32.970 --> 00:23:37.289 art side, outsider art or boot art. Sometimes it even raw art. 300 00:23:37.210 --> 00:23:41.119 Know, okay, tell what. You would enjoy it. You would enjoy 301 00:23:41.200 --> 00:23:48.000 that. So art side, outsider are really basically is like not part of 302 00:23:48.039 --> 00:23:53.839 the establishment in general, self self educated, not self educate, but self 303 00:23:53.960 --> 00:24:03.829 taught, and it's like folk are. It oftentimes lacks that, you know, 304 00:24:03.029 --> 00:24:11.779 that ability to draw. It's very loose and very nonconformist. For sure. 305 00:24:12.940 --> 00:24:18.019 It's so, so outsider art. When I discovered it I was like, 306 00:24:18.180 --> 00:24:22.259 Oh my God, this is this is me. Like, yeah, 307 00:24:22.380 --> 00:24:26.289 it sounds like me right off the bat. I don't have to do draw 308 00:24:26.410 --> 00:24:27.970 good to be an artist. Yeah, that's right, I don't. You 309 00:24:29.049 --> 00:24:32.089 know, I don't have to, you know, be able to look at 310 00:24:32.089 --> 00:24:37.329 a house and draw it, you know, perfectly, like it's you got 311 00:24:37.450 --> 00:24:41.720 to look it up outside. I'm all over and we're done, for sure. 312 00:24:41.799 --> 00:24:44.279 I'm definitely check that up, because you're doing it right, because if 313 00:24:44.319 --> 00:24:48.799 you've done if followed the path of the outsider here, but you clearly have 314 00:24:48.960 --> 00:24:52.950 a voice people. I'll put the links to your work in the show notes 315 00:24:52.990 --> 00:24:56.230 here for the PODCAST, but when they go to your work it's clear that 316 00:24:56.309 --> 00:25:00.349 you have a voice. So it doesn't really matter if what school, where, 317 00:25:00.549 --> 00:25:03.509 what, where you got your knowledge, your information from, but you've 318 00:25:03.630 --> 00:25:08.980 somehow coalesced it into one solid voice and that's really commendable because that's that's not 319 00:25:10.059 --> 00:25:15.339 easy unless you had a vision to kind of work towards. Well, and 320 00:25:15.460 --> 00:25:19.980 you know what my vision is? My vision is that it chained, you 321 00:25:21.019 --> 00:25:25.609 know, as that I don't have a vision. It's I actually shouldn't say 322 00:25:25.609 --> 00:25:30.450 that I have a vision now, probably for the first time, because I 323 00:25:30.490 --> 00:25:34.329 also went through, you know, go through different stages with my r I'll 324 00:25:36.359 --> 00:25:38.720 I don't know that I ever have like one one voice, you know. 325 00:25:40.160 --> 00:25:44.160 I if you really look like at my years of my artwork, you'll be 326 00:25:44.279 --> 00:25:51.430 like really, really surprised at the different styles. I. Yeah, that's 327 00:25:51.470 --> 00:25:56.269 how artists do too. Yeah, I went to a Picasso Exhibit in Chicago 328 00:25:56.230 --> 00:26:03.779 Several Years Back and I was just amazed that the different styles. That, 329 00:26:04.059 --> 00:26:07.619 yeah, always different periods, for sure, Oh my God, and you 330 00:26:07.700 --> 00:26:11.779 would never know that one was from, you know, one period was that 331 00:26:11.900 --> 00:26:17.019 they were from the same artist, right, and so I've always really related 332 00:26:17.019 --> 00:26:21.410 to that, like he did ceramics and he did sculpture and you know, 333 00:26:21.609 --> 00:26:25.329 Blah, Blah Blah. But I like the different periods they go through. 334 00:26:25.369 --> 00:26:29.930 In fact, I have a background in music and most musical artist put out 335 00:26:29.970 --> 00:26:32.009 a record, put out an album. Takes them like a year or so 336 00:26:32.130 --> 00:26:33.400 to make the whole thing. But and during the year they come up with 337 00:26:33.440 --> 00:26:37.960 their new look, maybe a new album art, new logo or something. 338 00:26:37.160 --> 00:26:41.880 Sometimes change a band member. Then they too are on that for two or 339 00:26:41.960 --> 00:26:44.480 three years, or, you know, at least a good year and a 340 00:26:44.519 --> 00:26:48.950 half. So you don't see them for three more years. So every album 341 00:26:48.109 --> 00:26:52.109 cycle it's something new, and I think artists should think the same way. 342 00:26:52.230 --> 00:26:55.750 It's like you don't have to get stuck in one thing. Yeah, you 343 00:26:55.789 --> 00:26:56.910 don't have to get stuck in one thing to be your style. In fact, 344 00:26:56.950 --> 00:27:02.500 you can always go revisit your old style that you like, you want 345 00:27:02.539 --> 00:27:03.380 to like. Why not? It's your style you like. You have some 346 00:27:03.500 --> 00:27:07.940 signature moves here. I hope I'm not jumping ahead too much, but you 347 00:27:07.019 --> 00:27:11.539 have some signature stuff with this razor scratching that I think is really unique. 348 00:27:11.579 --> 00:27:15.690 So let me try to describe it to the listener. So, Marci draws 349 00:27:15.849 --> 00:27:18.690 in vivid colors. What are you drawing on there? Is that campus or 350 00:27:18.730 --> 00:27:22.410 paper? Paper? Okay, it says paper. But so that leads to 351 00:27:22.490 --> 00:27:27.089 my next question about to ask. So it it's paint on paper. And 352 00:27:27.250 --> 00:27:34.039 then between blocks of bold colors are I didn't know what they were at first 353 00:27:34.039 --> 00:27:41.440 because they just look like dividing marks that's kind of synchronized like a yeah, 354 00:27:41.480 --> 00:27:48.910 they just compartmentalize the colors evenly in interesting way, and you look closer, 355 00:27:48.950 --> 00:27:51.869 and then I had to read the description. So those are razor scratch marks 356 00:27:52.309 --> 00:27:56.109 in the paint between the various colors. And how did you come to that 357 00:27:56.150 --> 00:28:02.339 idea? A, Marcy, why are you playing with razors and how are 358 00:28:02.380 --> 00:28:06.779 you not cutting through the paper? Okay, it's actually pain, is it? 359 00:28:07.859 --> 00:28:11.700 Yeah, Um, I'm not a good painter either. On yeah, 360 00:28:11.819 --> 00:28:26.250 it's pain, but it had interesting. I think probably has a similar feeling. 361 00:28:26.609 --> 00:28:30.640 But but my best start comes out of meeting when I'm happy, like 362 00:28:30.759 --> 00:28:38.079 I'm not a good artist when I'm I'm depressed. But you might look at 363 00:28:38.119 --> 00:28:42.430 my art and think I was oppressed when I made it because I just I 364 00:28:44.109 --> 00:28:49.630 always think that. I always feel like sadness hides, hides inside two eyes, 365 00:28:49.869 --> 00:28:52.990 even when, yeah, yeah, yeah, when it's not there, 366 00:28:53.150 --> 00:28:56.579 I always see it in totally. That's why I think people that lose their 367 00:28:56.619 --> 00:29:00.900 jobs have a hard time finding a new job, because that look is in 368 00:29:00.940 --> 00:29:04.740 their face and that essence is in the resumes they send out. It's everywhere, 369 00:29:04.779 --> 00:29:08.940 the energy is everywhere. So to your point, I agree, I 370 00:29:10.049 --> 00:29:14.890 think. But to judge Your own art as when you're more depressed, as 371 00:29:15.490 --> 00:29:18.089 less than I don't know, maybe you should put some up. You know 372 00:29:18.170 --> 00:29:21.609 what I mean? No, I don't know. I do, I do, 373 00:29:21.769 --> 00:29:26.599 and it's I don't see it as less then, it just my best 374 00:29:26.759 --> 00:29:33.000 artwork truly comes when I'm happy and and I always know it because I get 375 00:29:33.079 --> 00:29:37.359 this little thought in my head and it says, if I died tomorrow, 376 00:29:37.359 --> 00:29:42.309 I would make I would miss making artwork. Nice. Yeah, whenever that 377 00:29:42.509 --> 00:29:48.710 thought POPs into my head it's a pure none bipolar moment. It's like I'm 378 00:29:48.829 --> 00:29:53.700 healthy in this moment, I'm not Maddic, I'm not depressed and it is 379 00:29:53.779 --> 00:29:57.299 the most beautiful feeling. Yeah, is that weird? It's like is this 380 00:29:57.500 --> 00:30:00.059 normal. Can I capture this in a bottle? This is what I want 381 00:30:00.059 --> 00:30:06.380 to feel. Yeah, and so. So whenever that thought goes off in 382 00:30:06.460 --> 00:30:10.410 my head, that's when I'm making my best artwork. But now I don't 383 00:30:10.490 --> 00:30:15.730 have shame for any of my artwork. All my artwork goes up and but 384 00:30:17.009 --> 00:30:21.440 tonight I to your point. I think it's also important when you make happy 385 00:30:21.559 --> 00:30:23.400 art, like when you are happy and you make the art that you like 386 00:30:23.680 --> 00:30:29.640 to see. It becomes kind of like a self supporting cycle then because when 387 00:30:29.680 --> 00:30:32.200 you see the art you've produced in the art that cells, it's like, 388 00:30:32.279 --> 00:30:33.880 Oh yeah, that's I made that one. I was happy and look, 389 00:30:34.200 --> 00:30:37.589 it made the world happy, someone bought it and now you benefit in a 390 00:30:37.710 --> 00:30:44.029 monetary way. That's really great. Yeah, but I you know my my 391 00:30:44.230 --> 00:30:48.710 depressed art too. I mean I don't I don't shun any of my art 392 00:30:48.789 --> 00:30:56.099 from the world. It's all out there. I don't hide. Just a 393 00:30:56.140 --> 00:31:02.180 quick reminder. You listening to Emo Dojo. Please leave us kind comments or 394 00:31:02.259 --> 00:31:07.250 review if you like what you're listening to. This is marcy at be polar 395 00:31:07.369 --> 00:31:17.250 art on twitter. How do you maintain your expectations? I know that's a 396 00:31:17.289 --> 00:31:22.559 big thing with people like adhd anxiety by polar our emotions get the most of 397 00:31:22.599 --> 00:31:25.359 us on any given day. Hole, my God, nobody's buying my shit, 398 00:31:25.480 --> 00:31:26.920 like I haven't sold anything yet. I'm like, I've go I go 399 00:31:27.039 --> 00:31:30.200 up and down, it, up and down, but you know, I 400 00:31:30.279 --> 00:31:33.190 have a pragmatic thoughts about it. So I'm like, I'm not really worried 401 00:31:33.230 --> 00:31:37.029 about that. My whole thing is protecting intellectual property for my kids and things 402 00:31:37.109 --> 00:31:40.390 like that in the future. Yeah, so, but I can only imagine 403 00:31:40.390 --> 00:31:41.950 if I sold one thing, I could just feel my heart start and beat 404 00:31:41.990 --> 00:31:45.109 right now here comes to the mania. It's like, Oh my God, 405 00:31:45.150 --> 00:31:48.740 if my life is going to change. So how do you? How do 406 00:31:48.779 --> 00:31:52.740 you keep that in control? I don't yeah, Fu Yeah, that's why 407 00:31:52.740 --> 00:31:59.059 I like to hear so the things that I'm trying to find. That the 408 00:31:59.220 --> 00:32:07.170 thing that our friend epics under cat right, who's a licensed professional of this. 409 00:32:07.369 --> 00:32:13.849 Yeah, it called rejection sensitive Dystoria, and think as she brought that 410 00:32:13.970 --> 00:32:17.839 to my attention, because it really that is what I'm working on. Is 411 00:32:21.079 --> 00:32:23.799 exactly what you're just saying, that hasn't, think, it in control, 412 00:32:24.079 --> 00:32:27.440 because if I don't sell a piece for another week, I'm going to be 413 00:32:27.519 --> 00:32:30.990 devastated and that's not rational. No, no, so what's it called? 414 00:32:31.029 --> 00:32:34.990 Let me say it again. I'm going to say it for the I have 415 00:32:35.150 --> 00:32:37.869 bots that go through our text and say words that we speak. So it's 416 00:32:37.910 --> 00:32:44.420 called rejection, sensitivity dysphoria. Yep, wow, that's cool. I'm going 417 00:32:44.420 --> 00:32:45.140 to look that up too, because, I mean, I could put those 418 00:32:45.140 --> 00:32:51.420 three words together right away and I can get it so that you know when 419 00:32:51.500 --> 00:32:54.299 you brought that to my attention. I and it's something that people would adhd 420 00:32:54.460 --> 00:32:59.809 have often because we were, you know, we're used to being rejected, 421 00:32:59.849 --> 00:33:07.690 YEP, and so we're constantly mind reading you know, Oh, what did 422 00:33:07.690 --> 00:33:09.569 I do wrong? Even when we did yeah, they wrong. We're used 423 00:33:09.609 --> 00:33:14.079 to doing it for survival sake. Even though, you know, we're generation 424 00:33:14.200 --> 00:33:15.200 next. Were kind of middle age. Now we don't really have to do 425 00:33:15.279 --> 00:33:19.640 it as much to survive, we still do it, and then it now, 426 00:33:19.839 --> 00:33:24.119 counterintuitively, often wrecks our chances survival because it causes us to lose relationships 427 00:33:24.200 --> 00:33:28.950 and jobs by trying to forecast what people are always thinking. When I was 428 00:33:29.029 --> 00:33:31.549 at home with fourteen year old crazy kid, it worked well. Yes, 429 00:33:31.750 --> 00:33:35.470 was Mrs Cleaver, very, very well, you know, just friendly to 430 00:33:35.509 --> 00:33:38.190 everybody and lived and I was able to eat. But as a grown up 431 00:33:38.269 --> 00:33:43.180 now it doesn't serve US well. It's always you know what happened. Why 432 00:33:43.220 --> 00:33:45.339 did I sell anything? And I think the big thing is, especially with 433 00:33:45.500 --> 00:33:50.700 twitter, I was doing some research the other day about spotify, for example, 434 00:33:51.299 --> 00:33:53.619 back to the music thing, and I was reading article where at the 435 00:33:53.660 --> 00:33:57.529 time the article was written and if the scales up, it's you know, 436 00:33:57.650 --> 00:34:00.730 I'm sure it's even more now, but there were two million songs on spotify 437 00:34:00.930 --> 00:34:06.170 that nobody had ever listened to, not even once, not even the person 438 00:34:06.250 --> 00:34:09.840 who uploaded the song. So devastating, right. So I'm just imagine how 439 00:34:09.920 --> 00:34:14.559 many pieces of art are not even being seen. So and a lot of 440 00:34:14.599 --> 00:34:16.320 times you can tell, oh well, it's not that they don't like me, 441 00:34:16.400 --> 00:34:20.159 it's like they don't even see me, which is a different exacting. 442 00:34:20.400 --> 00:34:22.480 And then you have to like, Oh man, but I'm an artist, 443 00:34:22.480 --> 00:34:23.909 but now I have to be a promotional whore. How do I do the 444 00:34:23.989 --> 00:34:27.269 both? I don't want to be a promotional whore, but you have to 445 00:34:27.550 --> 00:34:30.269 like, AH, fuck yeah, so you get in this whole thing where 446 00:34:30.269 --> 00:34:34.429 you have to wear fortunately, I guess we're on the Internet, so we 447 00:34:34.550 --> 00:34:39.380 can hide behind our avatars and we could say things a little more snarkily if 448 00:34:39.380 --> 00:34:44.260 we want to. We could like develop a slightly different personality because it is 449 00:34:45.099 --> 00:34:49.059 somewhat anonymous. But still it doesn't it's not a job I signed up for. 450 00:34:49.139 --> 00:34:52.820 I didn't sign up to be a little fucking meme face thing to just 451 00:34:52.090 --> 00:34:55.730 get people to listen to a podcast. But yet here we are, so 452 00:34:57.489 --> 00:35:04.130 twitter. Actually, this whole universe really fits me really, really well because, 453 00:35:04.250 --> 00:35:08.800 like, I mean, I used to sell my artwork on Ebay and 454 00:35:08.840 --> 00:35:15.559 and I've tried. I tried one time, like a gallery exhibit and be 455 00:35:15.719 --> 00:35:20.000 like, you know, when I have to interact with people, I'm just 456 00:35:20.119 --> 00:35:22.989 like I can't do it right. Yeah, and but, but, like 457 00:35:23.510 --> 00:35:30.309 consitter like allows me to dance around naked, basically. Yep, and and 458 00:35:30.429 --> 00:35:37.059 I love it. Like yeah, it is the it's like the perfect thing 459 00:35:37.380 --> 00:35:42.980 for me. You know, it's kind of like a medication. It's like, 460 00:35:43.739 --> 00:35:45.820 thank God I live in the age of medication, because I would have 461 00:35:45.900 --> 00:35:51.489 been institutionalized. You know, that's an eighteen hundreds. Oh yeah, lobotomized. 462 00:35:51.489 --> 00:35:54.489 They would have sent me out literally on a back of a scapegoat exactly 463 00:35:54.730 --> 00:36:02.210 and so so right now I feel like, Holy Shit, I have this 464 00:36:02.449 --> 00:36:08.239 opportunity to be healthy, like to do really really fits me. Well, 465 00:36:10.440 --> 00:36:13.840 Oh yeah, we talked about that. I think a lot of people's, 466 00:36:14.280 --> 00:36:17.630 let's call mental problems come from a simple misalignment of what they do in their 467 00:36:17.670 --> 00:36:22.190 day to day. If you get up too early because it had a set 468 00:36:22.269 --> 00:36:24.590 alarm and you got to drive in so fucking traffic and go sit in a 469 00:36:24.630 --> 00:36:30.070 box with people wearing polyester and talk on a phone or do some just bullshit 470 00:36:30.190 --> 00:36:32.260 work, of course you're going to get depressed. If you're meant to be 471 00:36:32.340 --> 00:36:37.300 out there creating and working with your hands and thinking with your mind and being 472 00:36:37.380 --> 00:36:39.340 in nature, then that's what you should be doing. I'm not I don't 473 00:36:39.340 --> 00:36:43.139 know how to get everybody from where they are to where they need to be, 474 00:36:43.780 --> 00:36:45.820 but, ma'am, that's that's a huge part of it and it sounds 475 00:36:45.820 --> 00:36:49.210 like you're trying to. You're starting to find that, because you're right twitter. 476 00:36:49.489 --> 00:36:52.449 When you find the community that you can chat with and talk to share 477 00:36:52.489 --> 00:36:57.610 ideas with, they help promote you, they validate your art and then they 478 00:36:57.690 --> 00:37:00.440 help start selling your art. That is magical because you can do that from 479 00:37:00.440 --> 00:37:05.199 anywhere. You can literally live in a uni bomber shack in the forest if 480 00:37:05.199 --> 00:37:07.320 you wanted to do for a season. You can go get a different perspective 481 00:37:07.320 --> 00:37:10.239 on a beach one day. Or, you know, like in the artist 482 00:37:10.280 --> 00:37:14.880 season, you just get inspired and just go do other things because once you've 483 00:37:14.880 --> 00:37:19.590 got that that kind of flow coming through of purchases or whatnot. But I 484 00:37:19.630 --> 00:37:22.909 don't see, how do you do that? Like that's where I'm not really 485 00:37:22.949 --> 00:37:25.269 sure about how the art world works. So say you've got fifty pieces. 486 00:37:25.389 --> 00:37:29.070 Now what happens when you sell them all? You get famous enough, you 487 00:37:29.190 --> 00:37:30.980 sell your pieces for what you ask for them and now they're trading on the 488 00:37:31.019 --> 00:37:35.539 secondary market. Cool. Are you going to start making a new piece a 489 00:37:35.579 --> 00:37:37.860 day? Are you just like, hmm, maybe the next piece I make 490 00:37:37.900 --> 00:37:43.059 I'm going to make fifty copies of, or how do you envision how that's 491 00:37:43.099 --> 00:37:46.570 going to work? Yeah, I don't want to do copies. I really 492 00:37:46.769 --> 00:37:51.409 want to stay one one, you know, one to one. So just 493 00:37:51.449 --> 00:37:53.090 raise your prices and you get more famous. That's that's a good way to 494 00:37:53.130 --> 00:37:58.800 go. Yeah, I really don't want to do copies. I have, 495 00:38:00.039 --> 00:38:05.119 I'm sure, well over a thousand pieces that I've made. You're set for 496 00:38:05.159 --> 00:38:08.039 a good idea. So, yeah, I said my artwork. So I 497 00:38:08.159 --> 00:38:15.110 keep a lot of it. I've been making artwork for I'm I when I 498 00:38:15.150 --> 00:38:17.909 sit down and make artwork, I just make a shitload of artwork, like 499 00:38:19.550 --> 00:38:23.110 because I don't enjoy drawing and because I'm very like spontaneous with my artwork, 500 00:38:23.670 --> 00:38:29.099 I can make a piece and you know too minute. Oh, so, 501 00:38:29.179 --> 00:38:31.420 it's like it's comes through you, like you have a vision and it comes 502 00:38:31.500 --> 00:38:35.340 through you. So you don't you're not in figuring out how to make it, 503 00:38:35.420 --> 00:38:37.659 you're just trying to get it out as fast as you can before you 504 00:38:37.780 --> 00:38:42.530 lose the dream kind of thing. Well, it's just the way I look 505 00:38:42.570 --> 00:38:50.929 at it is it's like movement, like like it's my body dancing, basically. 506 00:38:51.289 --> 00:38:53.050 Oh, yeah, I don't really. Yeah, like, I don't 507 00:38:53.090 --> 00:38:58.159 really. I don't very, very, very few pieces of artwork that I 508 00:38:58.360 --> 00:39:01.400 think about before I make it. I just sit down and I just do 509 00:39:01.519 --> 00:39:06.159 whatever the hell my body wants me to do. That is awesome. I'm 510 00:39:06.239 --> 00:39:08.480 kind of the opposite. I play the drums and I think it prevents me 511 00:39:08.519 --> 00:39:14.269 from painting more because when I get that that need to express myself bodily. 512 00:39:15.150 --> 00:39:17.710 It's straight to the drum set. So I keep thinking like how do I 513 00:39:17.829 --> 00:39:23.030 make a drum art and ft all, yeah, you know what, you 514 00:39:23.230 --> 00:39:27.340 totally can do that and ye know what, that's that's a really, really, 515 00:39:27.579 --> 00:39:31.539 really good way. When I sit down to make artwork, I'm basically 516 00:39:32.460 --> 00:39:37.900 I'm basically sitting down to play the drums, but I'm not. I'm playing 517 00:39:37.900 --> 00:39:40.570 the drums as a person who's never played the drums before who's like trying to 518 00:39:40.610 --> 00:39:45.090 get some anger out. So I'm like, yeah, just just just like 519 00:39:45.849 --> 00:39:50.210 banging the you know, Bang on the drums. That's basically what I do 520 00:39:50.329 --> 00:39:55.480 when I sit down. It's just it's just unadulterated fun, like I just 521 00:39:57.159 --> 00:40:00.840 take whatever material I like. That material to speak for herself. I have 522 00:40:01.119 --> 00:40:06.880 really, really in the last year to gotten into watercolor, which is so 523 00:40:07.039 --> 00:40:13.670 weird for me. Watercolor does its own thing and I love it's it's close 524 00:40:13.710 --> 00:40:19.110 to poetry as I can get with my artwork. I love watching what the 525 00:40:19.269 --> 00:40:23.260 watercolor does. It has its own mind, it speaks, it's only which 526 00:40:23.579 --> 00:40:28.019 and and you just have to be there to watch what it wants to say 527 00:40:28.900 --> 00:40:32.340 and to like it. Guides you. WHOA. I love it. Yeah, 528 00:40:32.659 --> 00:40:36.809 cool, it's like it really is like a dance. You can, 529 00:40:36.889 --> 00:40:38.969 you could suggest, but it's still going to do pretty much what it wants 530 00:40:39.010 --> 00:40:45.889 to do too, with what you suggested. Totally Nice. Watercolor is I 531 00:40:45.449 --> 00:40:52.239 never knew it watercolors so hard. Isn't it all hard? When you really 532 00:40:52.360 --> 00:40:53.679 like for people, I guess, that are intense. We want to do 533 00:40:53.760 --> 00:40:58.719 it cool and right and interesting. The moment you starts like, Oh, 534 00:40:58.840 --> 00:41:00.639 this shit's a lot harder than it looked at the dumb museum, you know, 535 00:41:00.719 --> 00:41:04.239 when people are like you looking at that, go, that's stupid. 536 00:41:04.309 --> 00:41:07.550 Anybody could do that. Well, fucking try. Go home and try to 537 00:41:07.590 --> 00:41:10.909 do everything I say. Is Stupid. Right, exactly, exactly, like, 538 00:41:10.989 --> 00:41:15.190 like. But, but seriously, though, with watercolor it is harder 539 00:41:15.349 --> 00:41:22.659 because you there is more planning involved. Yeah, I'll just get away from 540 00:41:22.699 --> 00:41:30.659 you. Huh, totally, but I love I love having a creative partner 541 00:41:30.699 --> 00:41:38.090 with and and the watercolor is my dance partner. It's it's it's basically, 542 00:41:38.329 --> 00:41:43.809 you know, it leads. It leads me wherever it wants me to go 543 00:41:43.969 --> 00:41:46.400 and I have to constantly interpret where it wants to go. I love it. 544 00:41:47.480 --> 00:41:53.079 It's a beautiful, beautiful relationship. Is Your profile pit currently on open? 545 00:41:53.199 --> 00:42:00.710 See your watercolor work. It's a late space with a big blue eye. 546 00:42:00.750 --> 00:42:04.550 Yeah, that's beautiful. That came out so great. Thank you. 547 00:42:05.389 --> 00:42:12.030 Oh God, it's one of my favorite pieces. Yeah, so, but 548 00:42:12.230 --> 00:42:19.139 that that that's actually more of a controlled that's much more I haven't really begun 549 00:42:19.980 --> 00:42:24.940 like putting my watercolors out there because they're very, you know, they fit 550 00:42:25.099 --> 00:42:31.929 more into like an abstract and they're there. They're less unique, but I 551 00:42:32.050 --> 00:42:38.210 need to give them an opportunity because I'm not they might be too traditional for 552 00:42:38.329 --> 00:42:43.050 the nft community. But now that I can list for free and I don't 553 00:42:43.050 --> 00:42:45.480 have to spend eight right hours, yeah, list, Yep, I'm going 554 00:42:45.519 --> 00:42:50.199 to put what I want out there and you know, yeah, it's just 555 00:42:50.400 --> 00:42:52.800 let it all out, and I think that's a lot of the ways. 556 00:42:52.960 --> 00:42:55.400 So, for example, were like generation x age and I grew up on 557 00:42:55.639 --> 00:43:00.989 metal and it's really interesting to me to see young kids, the youngest of 558 00:43:00.070 --> 00:43:05.789 young kids, rocking out to iron maiden and the Scorpions, not ironically, 559 00:43:06.150 --> 00:43:08.670 and I'm like, AH, so good, good art comes back around. 560 00:43:08.670 --> 00:43:13.179 So it to that extent, I think the kids that are like hooked up 561 00:43:13.179 --> 00:43:16.699 on profile pick projects this week. By January they'll be like who? What's 562 00:43:16.739 --> 00:43:21.780 The dopest? Like, fine, are out there and then even know, 563 00:43:21.900 --> 00:43:24.820 what did you say? What? I don't know what that is. What's 564 00:43:24.860 --> 00:43:29.889 that? What? I didn't what did you say? They're hooked up on 565 00:43:29.969 --> 00:43:31.849 because I didn't. I don't know what that is. Oh, profile pick 566 00:43:31.929 --> 00:43:37.289 projects. I'm writing it down because I don't know what that is. It's 567 00:43:37.329 --> 00:43:40.679 all the it's all the PP yeah, it's all the monkeys and the the 568 00:43:40.760 --> 00:43:45.000 apes, the punks, all that stuff. Well, that's that won't be 569 00:43:45.039 --> 00:43:49.920 happening for Manny. The iterative art, where they take one, one piece 570 00:43:49.920 --> 00:43:52.119 of art and decorate it tenzero different ways and then call it a day. 571 00:43:52.159 --> 00:43:55.389 That won't be happening to life. It won't be happening in my house. 572 00:43:55.469 --> 00:43:59.789 I'm exacting right, and I think the kids will realize that too. I 573 00:43:59.869 --> 00:44:04.710 think most art buyers will realize that there's just buy one of one stuff. 574 00:44:04.710 --> 00:44:07.389 Don't buy into all these because everything else it seems like a multilevel marketing scheme, 575 00:44:07.389 --> 00:44:10.820 because all they do is hype up their own little project and if the 576 00:44:10.900 --> 00:44:15.500 hype dies, their price drops. I mean it's pretty clear. You know, 577 00:44:15.739 --> 00:44:19.460 I tried to explain this to a friend and she said it sounded like 578 00:44:19.500 --> 00:44:22.579 a Ponzi scheme. And Yeah, that's another word for I'm Ponzi schemes are 579 00:44:22.579 --> 00:44:28.449 typically illegal. This part's not as much illegal as more like a avon or 580 00:44:28.730 --> 00:44:32.050 am way or some shit like that. Yes, but you know what, 581 00:44:34.289 --> 00:44:38.480 wow, when I saw that that nft exhibit in New York, yeah, 582 00:44:38.960 --> 00:44:43.719 this is this isn't going away. This literally is the future. Yes, 583 00:44:43.800 --> 00:44:47.000 fuck, yeah, yeah, and and and the beautiful thing is is I 584 00:44:47.079 --> 00:44:51.840 didn't think people were buying I don't want to say real art, because my 585 00:44:51.960 --> 00:44:55.750 mind has changed on that quite a bit since I've been really looking at a 586 00:44:57.110 --> 00:45:02.150 piece. But I'm so grateful that there's people out there that want to buy 587 00:45:02.230 --> 00:45:08.139 actual creative work. Yeah, there's a difference for sure. Like, well, 588 00:45:08.179 --> 00:45:10.460 I don't know, experienced Aart or, I like to say, people 589 00:45:10.460 --> 00:45:13.780 that have a voice, like if you look at artist, could say, 590 00:45:13.780 --> 00:45:16.860 oh, that's a Rembrandt, you know, or that's a marcie right, 591 00:45:16.980 --> 00:45:21.530 whatever it's like. Those are the ones I'm into. If I could tell 592 00:45:21.530 --> 00:45:23.809 a computer made it and there's tenzero different versions of the same thing, I'm 593 00:45:23.809 --> 00:45:28.050 like, I don't care. That's not what I'm doing. That's not it's 594 00:45:28.090 --> 00:45:31.250 artistic, yes, but it's not. It's a I don't know what is 595 00:45:31.289 --> 00:45:34.730 it? An investment scheme, basically, because if you're going to hold on 596 00:45:34.849 --> 00:45:37.920 the cryptocurrency anyway, isn't it more fun to just go put your crypto into 597 00:45:38.039 --> 00:45:40.800 art and let it go up and down and value while you still have the 598 00:45:40.840 --> 00:45:45.719 same amount of cryptocurrency? Yeah, like, I don't like. I love 599 00:45:45.800 --> 00:45:51.110 the idea of somebody else buying a piece of artwork from someone that bought my 600 00:45:51.190 --> 00:45:53.269 artwork so they can make money. But basically, at the same time, 601 00:45:53.269 --> 00:45:55.789 I don't like. I want people to buy my artwork as they like my 602 00:45:55.829 --> 00:45:59.789 artwork. I don't want them to buy it so they can turn around and 603 00:46:00.469 --> 00:46:04.780 southlet like cool, fine, I'll get ten percent royalties, but that's that's 604 00:46:04.820 --> 00:46:07.219 not what it's about. Like, yeah, yeah, I if I decide 605 00:46:07.260 --> 00:46:13.179 to start buying NFT's, I'm not. I'm going to be buying shit that 606 00:46:13.219 --> 00:46:15.500 I like, for sure, and I'm for sure going to. In fact, 607 00:46:15.500 --> 00:46:17.059 I think that's pretty much what I'm going to do when I sell any 608 00:46:17.650 --> 00:46:22.449 is just buy stuff that I like. Yeah, and I mean the intention. 609 00:46:23.289 --> 00:46:29.090 To me it's just so like toxic to buy a piece of artwork so 610 00:46:29.170 --> 00:46:32.199 you can resell it like it just it's just, yeah, that's a sense. 611 00:46:32.280 --> 00:46:36.559 It's offensive to me a little bit. To me too, I get 612 00:46:36.599 --> 00:46:38.920 it, but only because I'm really too. There's like gamers out there, 613 00:46:38.920 --> 00:46:43.679 and I think what we're seeing as a lot of gamers and Crypto people converging 614 00:46:43.719 --> 00:46:46.119 into the art space and they realize they look, we can use crypto and 615 00:46:46.190 --> 00:46:50.429 game off I art, and some of the artists are like, you creepy, 616 00:46:50.590 --> 00:46:54.269 don't game of find my art. And you know what the thing is, 617 00:46:54.789 --> 00:47:08.500 I I am. I'm not sentimental about my art. No, no, 618 00:47:08.579 --> 00:47:13.940 I shouldn't it. I'm very sentimental about my art. But when I 619 00:47:14.340 --> 00:47:19.570 when, basically when someone buys my artwork, as long as I have like 620 00:47:19.650 --> 00:47:23.010 a digital copy of what I've made, if you want to go destroy and 621 00:47:23.090 --> 00:47:29.050 the ocean or burn it, sure, sure, that's basically your prerogative. 622 00:47:29.329 --> 00:47:32.599 And like, like, I did my part. I made the artwork, 623 00:47:34.280 --> 00:47:37.039 I did what my body needed to do. I have a picture. Yeah, 624 00:47:37.400 --> 00:47:39.840 you got it out, a piece of I love. And you know 625 00:47:39.960 --> 00:47:43.880 what, you can do whatever whatever the hell you want with my artwork. 626 00:47:43.920 --> 00:47:47.150 Rip It up, you know. Yeah, seriously, like whatever you want 627 00:47:47.150 --> 00:47:51.429 to do is bitch way. But at the same time, like I want 628 00:47:51.510 --> 00:47:54.150 someone to buy my NPT's because they like my artwork. Sure, if they 629 00:47:54.190 --> 00:47:58.190 want to buy it because they think they can resell it, that's that's that's 630 00:47:58.230 --> 00:48:01.019 a huge compliment. They think it's marketable in the long run. Yeah, 631 00:48:01.099 --> 00:48:06.739 there's some subtle essence in there about like, Oh, this is beautiful, 632 00:48:07.019 --> 00:48:10.019 this has to be worth something someday. But most people that are into that 633 00:48:10.219 --> 00:48:13.730 part of the art world and they're going to have to look at it every 634 00:48:13.730 --> 00:48:15.849 day and I don't think they're looking at it thinking like that's my bank account 635 00:48:15.849 --> 00:48:19.730 going up. They're looking at it because they like the image. Right. 636 00:48:19.769 --> 00:48:24.969 Yeah, yeah, I think so too. And and and so, you 637 00:48:25.090 --> 00:48:30.480 know, I keep looking at these different things, like you have like museums, 638 00:48:31.360 --> 00:48:35.719 you know, and I team museums and stuff, and it really is 639 00:48:36.039 --> 00:48:42.510 like it's yeah, it's it's a marvelous way to experience our and and it 640 00:48:42.710 --> 00:48:47.789 I had to really, really adjust my mind and I'm like wow, this 641 00:48:49.030 --> 00:48:52.190 is really something special, like it's not just like I'm not just jumping on 642 00:48:52.269 --> 00:48:55.780 the bandwagon because I want to make money, but like this is really cool, 643 00:48:55.900 --> 00:48:59.980 actual thing. It, like so many people say, it's life changing 644 00:49:00.099 --> 00:49:04.579 and it's not a cliche. It literally can be life changing. Yeah, 645 00:49:05.139 --> 00:49:08.099 and and there and there's not many of those moments in life period. No, 646 00:49:08.300 --> 00:49:12.849 no, and I think most people with mental problems would do their selves 647 00:49:13.409 --> 00:49:15.969 a favor by at least trying, like to like we've talked about it here 648 00:49:16.010 --> 00:49:20.210 today and we've talked about our other previous episodes. It's kind of a pain 649 00:49:20.210 --> 00:49:22.610 in the ASS to get involved. I would say it probably cost about two 650 00:49:22.650 --> 00:49:25.559 hundred bucks, just roughly speaking. If you had two hundred bucks, then 651 00:49:25.599 --> 00:49:29.920 you can get a wallet, then you can get you know, buy some 652 00:49:30.039 --> 00:49:32.280 tezos or by some eith. and Are you going to get your name? 653 00:49:32.360 --> 00:49:36.280 Are you going to go get an ethan name when gas is low? Used 654 00:49:36.320 --> 00:49:39.389 to go get your eth name. I didn't even know about that. Yeah, 655 00:49:39.429 --> 00:49:43.429 you see all these springs. So there's a lot of goofballs on twitter 656 00:49:43.429 --> 00:49:49.469 running around displaying their eth names, which it just a flex at this point, 657 00:49:49.510 --> 00:49:52.070 but I think in the long run it's going to be really valuable to 658 00:49:52.190 --> 00:49:57.460 have. So when they I mean, for for my name, definitely like 659 00:49:57.659 --> 00:50:01.300 manic. I listened to manic episode. I was so jealous when I saw 660 00:50:01.340 --> 00:50:06.860 that his name was that he used manic. But I don't usually I don't. 661 00:50:06.900 --> 00:50:10.530 I don't, I don't. I'm not fortunate and to to be more 662 00:50:10.650 --> 00:50:16.369 manic than I am depressed, because there's definitely, definitely just different, but 663 00:50:16.530 --> 00:50:21.519 I'm not mad. So it's it didn't fit me. But the name be 664 00:50:21.760 --> 00:50:25.440 polar. I didn't want to be bipolar because it sounds stupid somehow, but 665 00:50:25.679 --> 00:50:30.280 be polar. When I thought that I was just like, Oh my God, 666 00:50:30.519 --> 00:50:31.559 I love that. So yeah, I guess I'm going to have to 667 00:50:31.679 --> 00:50:36.469 look into that because I don't want my I don't want that name to be 668 00:50:36.590 --> 00:50:38.909 taken. That, that name. It's me right, right. And so 669 00:50:39.670 --> 00:50:44.869 it's only like five bucks, but it's five bucks plus gas. It's five 670 00:50:44.949 --> 00:50:51.219 dollars plus gas. So whatever. Gas is lower now than it has been 671 00:50:51.340 --> 00:50:52.860 the last couple weeks. Yeah, quite a bit. I keep a gas 672 00:50:52.980 --> 00:50:55.940 meter APP on my laptop over here. I could just see it's one hundred 673 00:50:55.940 --> 00:50:59.739 and fifty six right now. So it's pretty high actually today. But I'll 674 00:50:59.780 --> 00:51:01.460 send you the link. It's a Ns dot domains, I think, is 675 00:51:01.539 --> 00:51:05.650 where you go and you just type in the domain you want and it'll get 676 00:51:05.650 --> 00:51:07.889 you dot eth name. So that way, if you have if people want 677 00:51:07.889 --> 00:51:10.409 to send you some Eith in the future, you listen. Instead of that 678 00:51:10.570 --> 00:51:15.170 long string of characters, you just tell them it's be polar art dot Eve 679 00:51:15.250 --> 00:51:17.880 and they're like Oh, cool, okay, that's really cool. I'm yeah, 680 00:51:17.920 --> 00:51:22.599 I thank you for bringing that up because I honestly I really like my 681 00:51:22.000 --> 00:51:27.559 name to be polar I bought a couple of them because I bought like my 682 00:51:27.719 --> 00:51:30.559 real name. So maybe you get del Mastro Dot Eve, you know, 683 00:51:30.840 --> 00:51:36.590 for your professional world or so you could have like a semi anonymous or autonomous 684 00:51:37.110 --> 00:51:39.550 online presence and still get paid in Eith in the real world, or you 685 00:51:39.630 --> 00:51:43.550 know, depending on what gas is and how much you're into that stuff. 686 00:51:43.550 --> 00:51:46.659 But I got some Tz ones to I got my name and DOT Tz and 687 00:51:46.780 --> 00:51:51.820 dot Eith, so good for branding for sure. That's awesome. I'm so 688 00:51:51.980 --> 00:51:54.139 glad you brought that up, because you know how like when you so, 689 00:51:54.340 --> 00:51:59.539 okay, so when you like build a website, you know, I like 690 00:51:59.659 --> 00:52:01.969 you have to buy your domain name and then it like every year you have 691 00:52:02.130 --> 00:52:07.329 to like who we knew it. Is it like that? With yeah, 692 00:52:07.329 --> 00:52:08.769 they're both like that. I think I bought a couple of years for my 693 00:52:08.929 --> 00:52:12.369 dot heath name because they're only five. It's five bucks a year. So 694 00:52:12.409 --> 00:52:14.210 I'm like, well, I don't want to have to pay gas. Okay, 695 00:52:14.369 --> 00:52:16.360 next year. I'll pay gas in two or three years and I think 696 00:52:16.400 --> 00:52:20.280 the gas problem will be resolved in a year, in a year or two 697 00:52:20.400 --> 00:52:23.639 anyway. So yeah, so I'm like, I do it withcom names to 698 00:52:23.760 --> 00:52:27.719 I'm always just find it something weird. It's worth ten or twelve bucks to 699 00:52:27.800 --> 00:52:30.429 put on the name just to see just a dream for a year that you 700 00:52:30.469 --> 00:52:36.269 have a project that you might work on. I know, I I like 701 00:52:36.469 --> 00:52:40.309 your the Emojojo. I love that. Oh Yeah, yeah, that ended 702 00:52:40.349 --> 00:52:44.699 up because I used this show used to be called bipolar style and nobody would 703 00:52:44.699 --> 00:52:47.420 share it on the Internet because nobody wants to be associated with bipolar anything. 704 00:52:49.019 --> 00:52:52.380 So I just say we're like the most amazing people I know. Fuck it 705 00:52:52.500 --> 00:52:55.780 a but you know, Dojo works out like for search engines. It's amazing, 706 00:52:55.860 --> 00:52:59.849 like when people search email do joe, it's like the first two pages 707 00:52:59.889 --> 00:53:04.010 of search engine. So I'll deal with that. I mean, yeah, 708 00:53:04.210 --> 00:53:09.050 I love that. I didn't get it's easy to remember. It's sort of 709 00:53:09.170 --> 00:53:13.760 coming out of the mouth. Yeah, it's sort of cute for younger folks 710 00:53:13.800 --> 00:53:15.440 to like what is it? And it's not too Dorky. So I can't 711 00:53:15.440 --> 00:53:19.760 I'm not afraid to put it on a t shirt as an adult. Yeah, 712 00:53:19.880 --> 00:53:28.510 it's very let's see, I've such a feeling comes from my tongue when 713 00:53:28.550 --> 00:53:35.670 I say it's a very. It's like eating like like a vanilla. Yeah, 714 00:53:36.269 --> 00:53:39.309 it hits like this very. It is very like saw very boba. 715 00:53:39.789 --> 00:53:44.940 Have you ever heard of just a thing called the Kiki Boba effect? No, 716 00:53:45.260 --> 00:53:49.019 you would like this psychologist, study and scientist, brain, scientist. 717 00:53:49.380 --> 00:53:52.780 So there's a thing called the Kiki Boba effect and the idea is, like 718 00:53:52.980 --> 00:53:55.489 words like Kiki, what do you imagine? You imagine the spiky look in 719 00:53:55.530 --> 00:54:00.130 shape Boba. Would you imagine kind of a softer, Mu millfulous look in 720 00:54:00.250 --> 00:54:05.210 shape? So, yeah, there's a real thing there for certain words. 721 00:54:05.250 --> 00:54:08.409 That's why I'm really particular about yeah, about words, and about the shapes 722 00:54:08.449 --> 00:54:13.679 of letters too. So I'm really in a typography and yeah, that's sort 723 00:54:13.719 --> 00:54:15.360 of stuff. So I'm like, let's get the typography right and like Oh 724 00:54:15.360 --> 00:54:20.039 yeah, Emo, do you know what. I totally wanted to do that 725 00:54:20.119 --> 00:54:22.880 with my art, but I don't know how. I mean with my be 726 00:54:23.079 --> 00:54:30.829 polar, but I don't really know how to and it's not terribly important, 727 00:54:30.869 --> 00:54:34.110 but at some point, just for the you know, make me happy and 728 00:54:34.230 --> 00:54:37.309 burning and everything, I want to have like actual, you know, the 729 00:54:37.309 --> 00:54:40.739 lettering and everything. Oh Yeah, for sure, we should sit on and 730 00:54:40.860 --> 00:54:44.420 have a call like this once with a screen share, and I could show 731 00:54:44.420 --> 00:54:47.539 you how to do it. It's super easy. Okay, I really want 732 00:54:47.619 --> 00:54:52.409 to turn my poetry that I've written into en ty Yep, are you? 733 00:54:53.170 --> 00:54:59.610 Do you have to use a unique front or? Nope, not a bit. 734 00:54:59.730 --> 00:55:02.329 I would, because I'm me and I'm into typography and I could show 735 00:55:02.329 --> 00:55:05.250 you what I would do and how to do it real quick on like a 736 00:55:05.329 --> 00:55:09.199 Google Doc. But okay, I saw some goofball with some I'm not going 737 00:55:09.239 --> 00:55:13.440 to judge other people's poetry. It wasn't for me. Let's just say that 738 00:55:13.559 --> 00:55:15.800 dude was selling poetry for two and three hundred bucks a page and it was 739 00:55:15.920 --> 00:55:21.510 just freaking not even currier it. Maybe, maybe Ariel wasn't even hell. 740 00:55:21.550 --> 00:55:23.909 VEDICA wasn't even a fancy, nice funt it was just an average ass font 741 00:55:24.590 --> 00:55:29.309 and I looked at his page. He sold like twelve different poems and they 742 00:55:29.349 --> 00:55:31.190 were short poems, like I'm into poetry. In fact, when I do 743 00:55:31.309 --> 00:55:34.909 my photography, I'm going to put high couh next to each one, because 744 00:55:35.030 --> 00:55:37.099 Hiku helps me because it's confined. I don't have to think on it all 745 00:55:37.099 --> 00:55:40.860 day and I know that if it sucks, I could do one tomorrow. 746 00:55:40.900 --> 00:55:46.619 Yep, I think you should to put poetry with some of your pictures. 747 00:55:46.659 --> 00:55:53.809 If you could figure out a way not to have its flickr switch, I 748 00:55:55.329 --> 00:55:58.889 would. Yeah, I would like to do that, like, or do 749 00:55:58.929 --> 00:56:01.849 you have poetry already? Right? Yeah, see, I bet if you 750 00:56:01.889 --> 00:56:05.440 put some of that up and it made you money, your brain would all 751 00:56:05.440 --> 00:56:07.320 of a sudden fix itself with a yeah, okay, that's fine. Or 752 00:56:07.400 --> 00:56:12.639 maybe just go supermanic like cocaine. Like more poetry, more poetry. We're 753 00:56:12.719 --> 00:56:19.909 making money. There's there's a girl that I found yesterday who I think you 754 00:56:20.429 --> 00:56:24.389 might have retweeted something from her. She's really young and she's real fightety, 755 00:56:24.550 --> 00:56:28.469 like I am. That was the word I was looking for. Oh Yeah, 756 00:56:28.869 --> 00:56:32.300 fist just too clearly has bipolar one. But I yeah, I'm very 757 00:56:32.340 --> 00:56:37.500 flighty, but I really are you to check her out. I'll send it 758 00:56:37.500 --> 00:56:40.860 to you. Okay, cool, because her personality, like she just lays 759 00:56:40.860 --> 00:56:44.739 it out there in the way that I'm starting to lay it out there, 760 00:56:44.860 --> 00:56:47.530 like just personality wise, where I'm just like, you know, I'm just 761 00:56:47.690 --> 00:56:52.530 like if you can't, yeah, myself under the rug, like I can't 762 00:56:52.570 --> 00:56:54.329 hold it anymore. Yeah, if you got it, just let it out. 763 00:56:54.329 --> 00:56:57.849 Twitter is the place to let it out. Of any place, twitter 764 00:56:57.969 --> 00:57:00.050 is the place to let it out because you're not a malicious human right, 765 00:57:00.090 --> 00:57:05.159 you're not a troll out there starting trouble with people, Talking Shit on their 766 00:57:05.280 --> 00:57:08.119 threads or anything like that. You're just speaking your mind, and your mind 767 00:57:08.480 --> 00:57:12.920 is like a solid, virtuous thing. So, yeah, I think it's 768 00:57:12.920 --> 00:57:15.869 fine and it comes up. It's not that I have to let it out, 769 00:57:15.909 --> 00:57:19.190 because I have, you know, I do have people I can let 770 00:57:19.309 --> 00:57:23.070 that shit out with. It said. I it's it's said. I'm I'm 771 00:57:23.670 --> 00:57:30.619 the differences that I'm. I can do it now and I and I don't 772 00:57:30.780 --> 00:57:35.940 have everybody around me like this girls little crazy. WHO's she trying to be? 773 00:57:36.460 --> 00:57:39.219 WHO's she trying to be like? I it's cool because, you know, 774 00:57:39.420 --> 00:57:43.219 once you, because I don't know anybody and I knew one person with 775 00:57:43.380 --> 00:57:46.969 bipolar, like in the flesh, and she was like a horrible person. 776 00:57:49.409 --> 00:57:52.809 I know some of y'all would bipolar, please go fix yourselves, because you 777 00:57:52.849 --> 00:58:00.360 give the rest of us a really bad name. But but so it's really 778 00:58:00.519 --> 00:58:04.159 fun to just like, like there's one that I became friends with and I 779 00:58:04.239 --> 00:58:07.320 was like, I can imagine me and you skipping down the road together and 780 00:58:07.440 --> 00:58:10.599 right, guys like that's the that's like the bipolar part that I like. 781 00:58:10.800 --> 00:58:15.389 It's hypomanic, but it's not crazy, and you're just like, let let's 782 00:58:15.429 --> 00:58:20.110 hold hands, is skip down the road together and Giggle. You know, 783 00:58:20.309 --> 00:58:23.269 I like two young girls Giggling, for these are the giggly times, right, 784 00:58:23.309 --> 00:58:28.059 because you know the darkness is somewhere around there and we've all experienced the 785 00:58:28.059 --> 00:58:30.099 darkness, and that's the thing, right, is that's we've we've been to 786 00:58:30.260 --> 00:58:35.300 all of the different locations, whereas a lot of people's there, their band 787 00:58:35.340 --> 00:58:38.820 withth is very limited as with regards to their emotions. So finding people that 788 00:58:38.860 --> 00:58:44.010 are a little spazzy, I love it, and also trying to pull people 789 00:58:44.090 --> 00:58:45.690 out of the mud. Sometimes there's some people like a throw them a little 790 00:58:45.690 --> 00:58:49.889 purple heart or some Shit. I don't care. Like it's free on twitter 791 00:58:49.969 --> 00:58:53.250 to try to help somebody that's being pressed, although I mean granted, if 792 00:58:53.289 --> 00:58:57.920 they're if that's all their account is, eventually mute them. Sorry, but 793 00:58:58.280 --> 00:59:00.079 yeah, there's only so much pulling people out of the mud I can do, 794 00:59:00.239 --> 00:59:06.280 because I got to go back to being slightly slightly upbeat it. Yeah, 795 00:59:06.360 --> 00:59:10.309 I mean it's I like my mom always told me I should miss my 796 00:59:10.389 --> 00:59:13.510 calling, being a therapist, and I'm like, no, I don't. 797 00:59:13.550 --> 00:59:16.909 I only help people that I care about because I because I can't do it. 798 00:59:17.030 --> 00:59:20.510 It just yeah, no, it just I don't want to do it 799 00:59:20.590 --> 00:59:23.150 on command or for money. Well, we know, it's just we have 800 00:59:23.340 --> 00:59:28.460 to really, really edit what comes into our life because it just it affects 801 00:59:28.579 --> 00:59:32.739 us so deeply that it does. I yeah, I mean I would be 802 00:59:32.940 --> 00:59:37.780 if I had to like work with, you know, like people have been 803 00:59:37.900 --> 00:59:42.289 through war, some sort of traumatic event. I wouldn't be able to function 804 00:59:42.570 --> 00:59:47.130 because I would I would take that into my being in situated I wouldn't be 805 00:59:47.170 --> 00:59:51.489 able to live. Yeah, for sure, same thing. I'm a strong 806 00:59:51.570 --> 00:59:54.079 believer of this old quote from, I think, a famous football coach named 807 00:59:54.079 --> 00:59:58.480 Jim Ron said you become the average of the five people that you're around the 808 00:59:58.519 --> 00:60:02.639 most. Well, if you're if you're alone therapist and you're around mentally ill 809 00:60:02.760 --> 00:60:06.480 people most of the day, well, you're going to absorb a lot of 810 00:60:06.559 --> 00:60:12.909 those neurosis yep rough. But yeah, I couldn't. I just couldn't handle 811 00:60:12.989 --> 00:60:16.869 my life being like that. Yeah, that let's let's wrap up. We've 812 00:60:16.869 --> 00:60:20.630 talked about a lot of things and you're always welcome to come back, let 813 00:60:20.670 --> 00:60:22.659 me know what you're up to, and I'll obviously see you on twitter. 814 00:60:22.699 --> 00:60:24.900 So if I see you doing something new, I'll probably reach out to you 815 00:60:24.900 --> 00:60:28.179 and say, Hey, you want to talk about that, but are there 816 00:60:28.380 --> 00:60:31.619 good ways or you're a preferred way for a listener to come check out your 817 00:60:31.659 --> 00:60:37.409 art? Right now? The polar art on twitter, I think, is 818 00:60:37.570 --> 00:60:43.409 probably it's not going to give you a comprehensive look at my artwork, but 819 00:60:43.570 --> 00:60:47.409 it'll be the best way to interact with me. The most comprehensive look on 820 00:60:47.530 --> 00:60:52.599 my artwork at this point will be facebook, because I try to. I 821 00:60:52.800 --> 00:60:58.199 try to. You know have her and honestly, if you do a google 822 00:60:58.280 --> 00:61:00.239 start search of my name is going to be a show load of stuff that 823 00:61:00.280 --> 00:61:05.150 comes up then. So that's a good way to see my work to and 824 00:61:05.230 --> 00:61:08.230 the different stages that it's gone through. That's fantastic. I look forward to 825 00:61:08.230 --> 00:61:10.429 go checking it out some more, like the stuff all you have up here 826 00:61:10.469 --> 00:61:14.829 on open sea. And you've got a great personality on twitter, so it's 827 00:61:14.829 --> 00:61:17.860 fun to interact with you. Don't take everything so seriously. You handle the 828 00:61:17.900 --> 00:61:22.260 ups and downs really elegantly, so I appreciate that and you've got a good 829 00:61:22.260 --> 00:61:27.699 sense of humor. So if you're looking for twitter people to follow, Marcy's 830 00:61:27.780 --> 00:61:30.099 a good one. Check down the show notes and you'll find the ways to 831 00:61:30.179 --> 00:61:35.090 find out how to hang out with her and also by your art. Very 832 00:61:35.130 --> 00:61:37.489 cool, marcid. Think you've covered everything. was everything like kind of as 833 00:61:37.530 --> 00:61:42.650 you expected? Yeah, you know why? Because I listened to your podcast 834 00:61:42.809 --> 00:61:47.239 and I was comfortable with your person I like basically, I someone that says 835 00:61:47.519 --> 00:61:52.639 talk a lot. Yeah, it was just the right amount. Yeah, 836 00:61:52.679 --> 00:61:54.480 I pretty much know that I'm going to get along with but, like I 837 00:61:54.519 --> 00:62:00.440 said, I listened to your podcast and I felt extremely comfortable with your personality 838 00:62:00.519 --> 00:62:05.030 and so I honestly was not very nervous. It was kind of a light 839 00:62:05.349 --> 00:62:10.030 minute of nervousness, but now I felt, once I heard your personality, 840 00:62:10.070 --> 00:62:13.710 as like okay, we're cool. So you know. You know, I 841 00:62:13.829 --> 00:62:15.940 was thinking of to what we should do next, like to up our game. 842 00:62:16.619 --> 00:62:22.699 So epic thundercat hadn't been on a show before and I don't think manic 843 00:62:22.820 --> 00:62:27.420 had either, and I also pretty sure a Conrad from outcast verse had never 844 00:62:27.500 --> 00:62:30.530 done a show. But now that all of us have talked on a mic 845 00:62:30.690 --> 00:62:34.769 and gotten that out of our system, I think we should all organize a 846 00:62:34.929 --> 00:62:37.969 twitter spaces together, like a mental health and at thing where, like you 847 00:62:38.050 --> 00:62:42.690 know, I want to do that. I wasn't really sure how to do 848 00:62:42.929 --> 00:62:45.679 that, but yeah, I actually really like, as a team, if 849 00:62:45.760 --> 00:62:47.800 we just like maybe all we all meet up on zoom or whatever ahead of 850 00:62:47.840 --> 00:62:51.400 time and just talked about amongst us and then plan a day and a time 851 00:62:51.480 --> 00:62:53.840 where we all like advertise to our promote to our own little twitter followers, 852 00:62:53.880 --> 00:62:58.989 because, jeezus five of US each brought five people. We got twenty five 853 00:62:59.030 --> 00:63:02.630 people on twitter space already. Yeah, no, I I. Yeah, 854 00:63:02.989 --> 00:63:09.550 I wanted, I I'm really, really want to be part of that collaborative 855 00:63:09.989 --> 00:63:15.539 community that I haven't been I have not been able to do that in real 856 00:63:15.659 --> 00:63:19.420 life just because in my my insecurity is about being around people, but in 857 00:63:19.619 --> 00:63:23.860 this particular setting really suits me. So I really do want to do I 858 00:63:23.980 --> 00:63:28.570 would really like to do, you know, okay, for sure, type 859 00:63:28.610 --> 00:63:30.690 of stuff and putting you down on my mine. Yeah, I mean, 860 00:63:31.250 --> 00:63:37.489 I mean, I am going to be communicating with you anyway via twitter. 861 00:63:37.530 --> 00:63:39.090 We hang out on twitter together. So yeah, that would be awesome because 862 00:63:39.090 --> 00:63:42.960 I think a lot. I want to do a twitter space. My friend 863 00:63:43.000 --> 00:63:45.119 and you wanted to do on. We all kind of want to do and 864 00:63:45.159 --> 00:63:47.519 I'm like, well, let's all plant together and be each other's back up, 865 00:63:47.519 --> 00:63:51.920 because five people shis people going into a in a start in the space 866 00:63:52.039 --> 00:63:55.269 together. When, when it starts instantly you see six little bubbles on the 867 00:63:55.349 --> 00:63:59.150 spaces, thing like Oh, that's popular. It's probably hoping in there. 868 00:63:59.590 --> 00:64:02.510 And since I know that all five of us can talk, we can hold 869 00:64:02.550 --> 00:64:05.750 our own in a conversation, it's not going to be difficult to manage a 870 00:64:06.269 --> 00:64:09.630 twitter space. So that could be fun for all of us and I think 871 00:64:09.670 --> 00:64:13.099 that would be an awesome yees of our time. Yeah, I wanted to. 872 00:64:13.460 --> 00:64:15.659 I was wanting to do some sort of twitter for mental health, for 873 00:64:15.820 --> 00:64:19.260 people that have mental health issues. So, yeah, we're on the same 874 00:64:19.460 --> 00:64:24.219 the same page. I think they're and I'm pretty sure that she would be 875 00:64:24.369 --> 00:64:28.329 too. So yeah, killer. That's part of why I do audio only 876 00:64:28.369 --> 00:64:30.369 podcast to is that we could still be ourselves. We could show up like 877 00:64:30.530 --> 00:64:32.969 like say, to show up naked or, you know, our bathrobes or 878 00:64:33.010 --> 00:64:36.090 whatever people show up in. I'm like, just just be you, because 879 00:64:36.130 --> 00:64:39.320 there's, well, in the mental health spaces, a lot of people that 880 00:64:39.719 --> 00:64:42.920 have image issues too. They think they're ugly, they think they don't look 881 00:64:42.920 --> 00:64:45.800 right, they don't think they'll fit in and and man, but they all 882 00:64:45.840 --> 00:64:48.440 have a voice. Everyone has a voice and once you're able to cut free 883 00:64:48.599 --> 00:64:53.030 and like realize that, hey, my voice holds up with that person's voice, 884 00:64:53.469 --> 00:64:56.989 just like you know, I think it's magical. So I really appreciate 885 00:64:57.030 --> 00:65:00.230 your time. Thanks for coming on and into the EMO Dojo here and hanging 886 00:65:00.309 --> 00:65:04.750 out with me. You're always welcome back and I'll keep retweeting your stuff, 887 00:65:05.309 --> 00:65:09.619 for sure. So to anybody listening, just go down and check out these 888 00:65:09.699 --> 00:65:12.940 show notes below, and I'm going to share this a bunch of times. 889 00:65:12.980 --> 00:65:15.500 I'd usually spend this a couple times on twitter and then I spend five or 890 00:65:15.500 --> 00:65:18.539 six more times automated for the next several days. It just comes out in 891 00:65:18.619 --> 00:65:23.130 the middle of the night, middle of the day, so I'm not on 892 00:65:23.210 --> 00:65:25.929 twitter as much as it looks like a lot of my poster automated, but 893 00:65:26.010 --> 00:65:29.250 I will definitely, Oh yeah, promote the promote this quite a bit and 894 00:65:29.409 --> 00:65:32.769 anytime I see your stuff I typically hit the little ringer bell on your account 895 00:65:32.809 --> 00:65:35.559 so that I know when you're posting a might seem like I'm stalking you, 896 00:65:35.679 --> 00:65:40.039 but it just because I only I only set the ring around like five people's 897 00:65:40.039 --> 00:65:45.840 stuff, so I be true, true. All right, man, thanks, 898 00:65:45.880 --> 00:65:49.550 I really do appreciate yeah, it's pleasures all my and I definitely definitely 899 00:65:49.630 --> 00:65:53.630 want to keep in touch and work on them stuff together. Okay, killer, 900 00:65:53.670 --> 00:65:57.550 sounds good and having awesome rest of your Sunday, get true. Okay, 901 00:65:57.670 --> 00:66:13.179 all right, but black and now back to the wall.