How To Be A Good Podcast Listener: Doing Your Part In A Two-Way Relationship

WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:05.839 So there are no rules for listening to podcasts. There are no rules for 2 00:00:06.000 --> 00:00:12.869 making podcasts either, but that doesn't stop tens of thousands of people from telling 3 00:00:12.949 --> 00:00:18.550 others how to follow their examples. So, in the spirit of equal time, 4 00:00:19.670 --> 00:00:27.179 this episode is all about how to be a good podcast listener. I'm 5 00:00:27.219 --> 00:00:36.850 johnny emotions. This is Emo Dojo. All right, so I admit I 6 00:00:37.009 --> 00:00:41.649 was actually being kind of lazy and I just wanted to put together a quick 7 00:00:42.090 --> 00:00:48.289 podcast. So I was googling how to be a good podcast listener and I 8 00:00:48.530 --> 00:00:52.479 put it in the quotes to hold it together in the search and I got 9 00:00:52.799 --> 00:00:56.600 no results. There's no results on Google on how to be a good podcast 10 00:00:56.880 --> 00:00:59.880 listener, like, what the fuck? Is that my only my google or 11 00:00:59.960 --> 00:01:03.880 your google to I don't know, seems pretty ridiculous. It kept trying to 12 00:01:03.920 --> 00:01:07.069 steer me into all these articles about how to be a good podcast or no, 13 00:01:07.230 --> 00:01:11.709 I want to know how to be a good podcast listener so I could 14 00:01:11.709 --> 00:01:15.629 just read off a list and get this podcast over with go back to bed. 15 00:01:15.390 --> 00:01:19.859 Now not quite so extreme, but I hadn't been feeling well the past 16 00:01:19.939 --> 00:01:25.260 several weeks and, you know, just looking for something quick and easy to 17 00:01:25.340 --> 00:01:30.140 do well, that's what I get for trying to cut corners. I ended 18 00:01:30.180 --> 00:01:33.810 up having to just come up with the whole thing myself because the article doesn't 19 00:01:33.969 --> 00:01:38.730 exist. I guess the cool thing is now that I put this together, 20 00:01:38.769 --> 00:01:42.290 it will exist and it might be the only one if anybody ever looks for 21 00:01:42.450 --> 00:01:48.200 it. So I've had a couple of different types of careers. I've worked 22 00:01:48.239 --> 00:01:52.760 in nonprofits managing like HMM, I guess you'd call him a homeless shelter, 23 00:01:52.879 --> 00:01:57.799 but there's different levels of homelessness and being housed. So I've worked in that 24 00:01:57.000 --> 00:02:01.549 field. Of worked in music and entertainment and software and things like that. 25 00:02:02.750 --> 00:02:07.830 So one of the things I did in music was fan club development, audience 26 00:02:07.909 --> 00:02:13.110 development and things like that. One of the more interesting concepts that I liked 27 00:02:13.310 --> 00:02:16.180 back when we were working on it was this idea of a thousand super fans, 28 00:02:16.219 --> 00:02:21.099 and it could really be applied to podcasters, sure, why not, 29 00:02:21.379 --> 00:02:24.979 or any entertainer really. The key is you have to have about a hundred 30 00:02:25.099 --> 00:02:31.610 dollars worth of something to sell your listener, your fan whatever a year. 31 00:02:32.289 --> 00:02:38.289 So you know, a t shirt, a subscription, an album, a 32 00:02:38.449 --> 00:02:42.530 concert ticket. You get the idea, and I was working with comics and 33 00:02:42.650 --> 00:02:46.280 things like that. So it's kind of realistic for a comic because they go 34 00:02:46.520 --> 00:02:52.439 play shows and there's concert tickets. Well, not concert tickets, but there's 35 00:02:52.439 --> 00:02:57.360 obviously comedy club take gets. They can have merch booths where they sell tshirts 36 00:02:57.400 --> 00:03:01.629 and it's very immediate and there's very low overhead because most comics don't have a 37 00:03:01.710 --> 00:03:06.629 big staff. Most comics travel alone or with the other comics on the bill. 38 00:03:06.629 --> 00:03:10.430 Anyway, I digress. The the idea being if you could find a 39 00:03:10.629 --> 00:03:15.060 thousand people who would give you a hundred dollars a year, you can make 40 00:03:15.099 --> 00:03:19.740 a living. You're now making a hundred thousand dollars taxes and things like that 41 00:03:20.180 --> 00:03:23.659 and you're still making a living. So that's a kind of overly simplistic way 42 00:03:23.740 --> 00:03:29.770 to look at fanclub development and or audience development. But you know, obviously 43 00:03:30.009 --> 00:03:34.169 the key is there. You have to have something to sell. Merch is 44 00:03:34.169 --> 00:03:38.930 a big way. A lot of podcasters now do merch h three does teddy 45 00:03:38.969 --> 00:03:42.400 fresh huge most of their money, half of their money, probably becomes from 46 00:03:42.479 --> 00:03:46.800 merch alone, and there are a lot of podcasts that are moving to a 47 00:03:46.919 --> 00:03:53.080 subscription model. But that's not what I'm talking about because I came from the 48 00:03:53.840 --> 00:04:00.750 kind of startup band, unsigned band, sometimes garage band, literally garage band, 49 00:04:00.789 --> 00:04:03.270 but most garage bands don't actually play in a garage. They usually play 50 00:04:03.270 --> 00:04:09.469 in some rehearsal studio. So that just takes too long to say rehearsal studio 51 00:04:09.590 --> 00:04:15.860 band. But so these are young acts that go out and are generally pretty 52 00:04:15.860 --> 00:04:17.699 good and you can if you look in that scene or those scenes of the 53 00:04:17.899 --> 00:04:23.459 upandcoming music artist, it becomes kind of fun to kind of like who might 54 00:04:23.500 --> 00:04:27.410 actually make it. Like sometimes none. You'll go through a whole season in 55 00:04:28.089 --> 00:04:31.529 Hollywood going to clubs and watching artist and it's like, Nope, this is 56 00:04:31.610 --> 00:04:35.970 the same old shit. But sometimes you'll catch once like well, that's special. 57 00:04:36.089 --> 00:04:41.399 Follow those guys and sure enough they'll be they'll become big. And as 58 00:04:41.439 --> 00:04:46.199 a podcast listener you have the same opportunity now. So, and I'm not 59 00:04:46.279 --> 00:04:49.600 talking about how to be a good podcast listener, to celebrities who ran out 60 00:04:49.600 --> 00:04:55.230 of work and became podcasters. They were already celebrities. They brought their celebrity 61 00:04:55.470 --> 00:04:59.350 to a podcast, and that's not what I'm talking about. Those folks will 62 00:04:59.389 --> 00:05:03.189 not reply to you on social media, they won't answer your emails. Not 63 00:05:03.350 --> 00:05:09.540 of that. We're talking about start up podcasts. So podcast similar to this 64 00:05:09.620 --> 00:05:13.699 one, podcast with very small audiences, very niche audiences. Of course. 65 00:05:13.860 --> 00:05:18.620 Mental Health podcasts are super small compared to things like sports and pop culture and 66 00:05:19.100 --> 00:05:24.209 celebrity gossip and things like that, I'm sure, of course, but that 67 00:05:24.370 --> 00:05:30.970 means it's even cooler to be a fan of a smaller podcast. You're smaller, 68 00:05:30.050 --> 00:05:34.449 more elite crowd. Here's the thing, though. PODCASTING and listening to 69 00:05:34.529 --> 00:05:41.199 podcast is like a two way relationship. It's like a seesaw. If you 70 00:05:41.240 --> 00:05:43.920 go up and down, it up and down like and if it looks goofy, 71 00:05:43.959 --> 00:05:46.920 if somebody goes up and the other person just sits on the ground doesn't 72 00:05:46.920 --> 00:05:50.310 feel like pushing their legs and doing their part to make the whole thing work, 73 00:05:50.629 --> 00:05:56.470 that's silly. I'm exaggerating here, of course, but you get my 74 00:05:56.589 --> 00:06:01.870 point. I mean to a relationships require an action on both sides. Nobody's 75 00:06:01.910 --> 00:06:06.620 obligated to nobody's obligated to make podcast and nobody's obligated to listen to them. 76 00:06:08.180 --> 00:06:13.259 But as a podcaster there's certain expectation that the listener has of you, like 77 00:06:13.740 --> 00:06:17.810 quality sound and putting up podcast more than once every three months and things like 78 00:06:17.889 --> 00:06:25.370 that, maybe being relatable or the opposite, maybe being completely unrelatable and I 79 00:06:25.370 --> 00:06:28.730 don't know what the fuck that person's talking about. Doesn't matter, though. 80 00:06:28.730 --> 00:06:32.240 It's all entertainment. That's the PODCASTER's job to entertain and or inform or to 81 00:06:32.360 --> 00:06:35.480 relate or whatever you know, verb you want to put there. So the 82 00:06:35.560 --> 00:06:41.959 podcaster has a role and then the fan of the podcaster has a role also. 83 00:06:41.959 --> 00:06:47.709 So I'm going to clumsily kind of compare things that worked for startup bands 84 00:06:47.750 --> 00:06:54.790 and local bands, unsigned bands. That might also work with your favorite podcasters. 85 00:06:55.389 --> 00:06:59.149 So that way you could be more supportive of your favorite podcasters and your 86 00:06:59.149 --> 00:07:03.980 favorite podcasters could grow and then you all grow as a crew together. So 87 00:07:04.180 --> 00:07:09.300 tip one research. If you're really going to be a fan, just in 88 00:07:09.459 --> 00:07:13.819 get into it. There are so, so many types of podcasts out there 89 00:07:14.860 --> 00:07:17.930 that you know, there's no point in wasting your time on a topic that 90 00:07:18.050 --> 00:07:23.889 you're not super into, because you might find eighteen podcast on topics you're really 91 00:07:24.009 --> 00:07:28.009 really into and too might actually be listenable. So do a lot of research. 92 00:07:28.050 --> 00:07:31.759 Ask Your friends that listen to podcasts. There are podcast listener groups on 93 00:07:31.839 --> 00:07:38.480 social media and they'll give recommendations. Places like Reddit and all those sorts of 94 00:07:38.519 --> 00:07:44.990 places also have recommendations to and I'm I'm talking actual users and listeners recommending shows 95 00:07:45.069 --> 00:07:48.149 to each other, not algorithms that put whatever they want you to see up 96 00:07:48.149 --> 00:07:51.350 in front of your face whenever you go to apple podcast, for example. 97 00:07:51.389 --> 00:07:57.269 I'm talking find the hardcore podcast people that find the subtle stuff, the small, 98 00:07:57.430 --> 00:08:03.139 unknown podcast where they get the most rewarding content and can actually interact with 99 00:08:03.339 --> 00:08:07.420 the podcasters while they're still at that level. and think also, like of 100 00:08:07.459 --> 00:08:11.259 your own hobbies and business trades and things like that. Those hobbies and trades 101 00:08:11.889 --> 00:08:15.649 have groups on social media too, so just drop in there and ask, 102 00:08:15.730 --> 00:08:20.209 Hey, you guys heard any good podcast for this xyze hobby or this trade? 103 00:08:20.209 --> 00:08:24.209 That's a good way to find them. So anyway, once you've found 104 00:08:24.209 --> 00:08:28.560 your podcast, listen to a few episodes, like all right, cool, 105 00:08:28.920 --> 00:08:33.360 I'm down. What's this act going to turn into? So, of course 106 00:08:33.399 --> 00:08:35.919 the first thing you have to do is subscribe. Like why not subscribe? 107 00:08:35.960 --> 00:08:41.279 It's the most basic, free, easy, anonymous way to stay up today 108 00:08:41.190 --> 00:08:46.149 and let your podcast or know at least someone is listening. They won't know 109 00:08:46.190 --> 00:08:50.470 who you are, but they'll see it in their statistics, in the dashboard 110 00:08:50.470 --> 00:08:56.220 of their podcast software. They'll see somebody's listening. So subscribe. The next 111 00:08:56.259 --> 00:09:01.139 easiest and also one step more helpful thing to do is review the podcast, 112 00:09:01.620 --> 00:09:05.139 and when I say review, I just simply mean click a star, one 113 00:09:05.419 --> 00:09:09.370 to five stars. Obviously everybody wants five stars, so just it's free. 114 00:09:09.450 --> 00:09:13.610 Click five stars. fucking be the star fairy. Given away stars, because 115 00:09:13.649 --> 00:09:18.649 again, we've already determined that you like this. This is your podcaster, 116 00:09:18.850 --> 00:09:20.850 so don't withhold stars. If this is your podcast, don't go around given 117 00:09:20.889 --> 00:09:26.960 stars to podcasters you don't like, only the ones you're into. But if 118 00:09:26.000 --> 00:09:30.799 you are into them, don't withhold the love. Just go click it while 119 00:09:30.840 --> 00:09:33.559 you're there subscribing. This is a little thing right there. Rate this, 120 00:09:35.320 --> 00:09:41.710 review this. Click those. And now also, when you click a star, 121 00:09:43.309 --> 00:09:46.389 I'm not sure if it's a star rating specifically, but definitely, if 122 00:09:46.509 --> 00:09:50.590 you comment or when you're clicking the star, you opt to leave a review, 123 00:09:52.389 --> 00:09:54.539 that will also put your screen name up there next to your comments. 124 00:09:56.220 --> 00:10:01.580 That is super effective because that gives social proof that another human beings subwhere on 125 00:10:01.620 --> 00:10:05.019 this planet, took the time to write those words, which is to say 126 00:10:05.340 --> 00:10:11.289 this podcast affected somebody. Maybe you should listen to and again. Why would 127 00:10:11.289 --> 00:10:15.730 you not do that to a your podcaster? Like help your podcaster out by 128 00:10:15.889 --> 00:10:18.929 just saying a few kind words? I totally get this. One's kind of 129 00:10:18.970 --> 00:10:22.759 weird, though, because most of the people I know, like in real 130 00:10:22.840 --> 00:10:26.480 life, just don't their ideas. Like I don't know what to say. 131 00:10:28.720 --> 00:10:31.480 I get it. So if you feel that way, that's normal to but 132 00:10:31.639 --> 00:10:33.600 don't take a minute figure out something to say. There's no pressure, there's 133 00:10:33.600 --> 00:10:39.309 no time limit, but eventually maybe get around to that. At least reviewing 134 00:10:39.350 --> 00:10:43.269 it, given it a star, click and then for your favorite podcasters, 135 00:10:43.269 --> 00:10:48.149 right, which can just something nice. It's the even a few words are 136 00:10:48.350 --> 00:10:54.179 better than zero words. Well, I mean or try empathy. How do 137 00:10:54.299 --> 00:10:58.460 you like to be communicated to with a few words, a lot of words, 138 00:10:58.500 --> 00:11:05.330 or zero words? Most people don't like to be communicated with with zero 139 00:11:05.490 --> 00:11:09.090 words, because we can't read minds and it doesn't mean anything. So use 140 00:11:09.210 --> 00:11:15.889 your words. The next most important thing is to share. So if you 141 00:11:15.929 --> 00:11:20.320 can't think of a comment because I don't know what to say, that's fine. 142 00:11:20.559 --> 00:11:24.639 Share the motherfucker. Share the link to the podcast or the episode you 143 00:11:24.679 --> 00:11:30.480 just listen to. Why not? Because, and why would you not? 144 00:11:30.879 --> 00:11:37.309 Again, you are fan of the podcaster, so share their stuff. Look 145 00:11:37.350 --> 00:11:39.750 at bts. Do you think they need people sharing their stuff? No, 146 00:11:41.309 --> 00:11:45.750 get why would people share more of the same thing? Get off the bandwagons 147 00:11:46.230 --> 00:11:52.980 and share the local things. Like, if you're into food, you probably 148 00:11:52.139 --> 00:11:56.100 into local food. If you're into music, a lot of you know people 149 00:11:56.100 --> 00:12:01.730 who are into music are into the local bands. So following smaller podcasters is 150 00:12:01.769 --> 00:12:03.370 kind of the same thing. So if you're into it, be into it, 151 00:12:03.490 --> 00:12:07.610 like get into it or get out of it. Otherwise, just sitting 152 00:12:07.649 --> 00:12:09.250 on the fence, you kind of look like a poser. So be a 153 00:12:09.370 --> 00:12:15.049 fan or don't be. But again, this is this is my business mind 154 00:12:15.210 --> 00:12:18.440 thinking when we used to do audience development, because there was definitely a hard 155 00:12:18.559 --> 00:12:24.440 line, like if people will not subscribe with their email address, fuck it, 156 00:12:24.559 --> 00:12:28.480 they're not actual fans. They don't care that much about you. I 157 00:12:28.600 --> 00:12:31.870 mean, for Fuck's sake, they gave their email address to facebook and twitter 158 00:12:31.029 --> 00:12:35.509 and instagram and snapchat and all those other companies and they won't give you their 159 00:12:35.549 --> 00:12:39.269 email address to keep them up to date on something you worked hard to produce. 160 00:12:39.549 --> 00:12:43.580 Just for them. They're not a fan, cut them loose. And 161 00:12:43.820 --> 00:12:48.820 so sharing podcast though, also kind of crosses over into social media, and 162 00:12:50.259 --> 00:12:56.500 sometimes we lose the connection there because podcast listeners are not necessarily social media people, 163 00:12:56.580 --> 00:12:58.210 and I get it. I understand that. I kind of wish we 164 00:12:58.289 --> 00:13:03.889 could reverse the clock and put social media back in Pandora's box, but it's 165 00:13:03.929 --> 00:13:07.929 out there, it exists and podcasters have to kind of be there because, 166 00:13:09.409 --> 00:13:13.320 using kind of the rock and roll band metaphor, that's the parking lot where 167 00:13:13.360 --> 00:13:18.039 we put the flyers for our shows. Is Social Media. And since we're 168 00:13:18.039 --> 00:13:24.559 on social media and we do post things and see your comments and reply, 169 00:13:26.000 --> 00:13:31.590 how about doing your part on the other end of the see saw and lift 170 00:13:31.629 --> 00:13:37.470 up, sit up, come on, get the teetertotter going. And I 171 00:13:37.590 --> 00:13:41.860 think every podcaster I have ever talked to has the same experience. MMM, 172 00:13:43.340 --> 00:13:48.820 sometimes it feels like we are talking to a room of like a thousand people 173 00:13:48.860 --> 00:13:52.980 but everyone turned their back the other way. That's sometimes out feels, I 174 00:13:54.059 --> 00:13:58.929 guess, another way to feel. I like you had like a partner who 175 00:13:58.009 --> 00:14:01.409 just gave you the silent treatment and wouldn't respond to like in my is me 176 00:14:01.730 --> 00:14:05.970 that I do anything. So, yeah, comment, comment on People's social 177 00:14:05.009 --> 00:14:09.360 media post or like it. Like is so weak, you know, so 178 00:14:09.600 --> 00:14:18.279 basic. It's so like lazy and lifted a finger, click, perk up, 179 00:14:18.360 --> 00:14:24.279 man, type A couple words. Engage. I liked your show or 180 00:14:24.470 --> 00:14:28.389 I hated your show, or you're weird, what whatever. Say Some Shit 181 00:14:28.470 --> 00:14:33.190 like in age people again, if you're going to be a fan and a 182 00:14:33.309 --> 00:14:37.860 good podcast listener, that's the way to do it. Engage, but make 183 00:14:37.899 --> 00:14:41.820 sure to remind them you heard about them from their podcast so they don't think 184 00:14:41.860 --> 00:14:48.659 you're just too social media Weirdo. And so these next few get progressively more 185 00:14:48.740 --> 00:14:54.090 intense. If you have some social anxieties or claim to want to be one 186 00:14:54.129 --> 00:14:58.730 of those people, that's like a social so email. If you really bold 187 00:14:58.769 --> 00:15:03.090 and you really into your podcaster, you can just send them an email. 188 00:15:03.129 --> 00:15:09.440 I think every podcasts on apple podcast as an email available, so you can 189 00:15:09.480 --> 00:15:16.120 contact the producer of the show. Do that. Tell them, Hey, 190 00:15:16.159 --> 00:15:18.120 I'm not on social media, I hate that Shit, but I did like 191 00:15:18.240 --> 00:15:22.909 you show. Keep up the good work. By likewise, you can do 192 00:15:22.950 --> 00:15:26.269 it on a phone call. A lot of podcasters have their own web pages 193 00:15:26.429 --> 00:15:31.149 or web pages associated with their podcast hosting. Company and there will be contact 194 00:15:31.190 --> 00:15:35.899 information up there, like phone numbers. Call them if they got a phone 195 00:15:35.940 --> 00:15:39.700 number available. It's not nobody forces you to put your phone number on the 196 00:15:39.740 --> 00:15:43.179 Internet. If it's there, it's for business, it's a business number, 197 00:15:43.220 --> 00:15:48.860 or for fan clubs and audiences and things like that. So if you're into 198 00:15:48.980 --> 00:15:52.970 a podcaster, give them a call, just same thing as the email. 199 00:15:54.169 --> 00:15:56.529 Call them up and say hey, I heard that episode. That's pretty interesting 200 00:15:56.570 --> 00:16:00.690 that I had the same thing happened to me. Whatever. You know what 201 00:16:00.730 --> 00:16:06.200 I'm saying. Show you care. Why withhold your love? The next one 202 00:16:06.320 --> 00:16:11.159 is good advice, especially in the band world. Obviously not during a pandemic, 203 00:16:12.399 --> 00:16:17.159 but I would feel weird if this happened and I did it as a 204 00:16:17.200 --> 00:16:21.230 podcaster. But it's basically show up. As a band. You want your 205 00:16:21.269 --> 00:16:23.590 fans to show up in person, buy a ticket to the show, come 206 00:16:23.669 --> 00:16:30.029 and see the band play. Before covid nineteen, I know many podcasters were 207 00:16:30.230 --> 00:16:34.860 touring with their podcast and just performing on stage. Local podcasters were going to 208 00:16:36.100 --> 00:16:40.620 bars and pubs and restaurants and doing their podcasts live from there. So if 209 00:16:40.740 --> 00:16:45.100 your podcaster is out touring and performing live in a way that you can see 210 00:16:45.139 --> 00:16:49.809 them. Go see them right, like, why not? Because well, 211 00:16:49.850 --> 00:16:52.250 then either you're a fan or you not a fan. So this really is 212 00:16:52.409 --> 00:16:56.529 for fans that care. So if you don't care, you probably didn't get 213 00:16:56.529 --> 00:17:00.409 this far into this particular episode anyway. So show up. Yeah, just 214 00:17:00.490 --> 00:17:03.120 show up to a show, pay for a ticket, by a drink, 215 00:17:03.200 --> 00:17:07.359 support the venue, by a t shirt, the whole thing. Just support 216 00:17:07.400 --> 00:17:10.559 them. You don't see them but once a year. And speaking of buy 217 00:17:10.599 --> 00:17:15.000 a tshirts by Merch is the next one. That definitely applies to rock and 218 00:17:15.079 --> 00:17:19.910 roll bands as well as podcasters. Make merch that's cool. Don't just put 219 00:17:19.910 --> 00:17:23.750 your album art on there. Do something different, make it related and make 220 00:17:23.829 --> 00:17:27.710 it match your album artwork. Make it look cool, branded so it's all 221 00:17:27.789 --> 00:17:32.339 part of the same universe. But just putting your album art on your t 222 00:17:32.500 --> 00:17:36.819 shirt. That's stupid, especially if your album artwork sucks and nobody told you. 223 00:17:37.380 --> 00:17:41.059 But the sweet thing about merch especially is that if they buy it, 224 00:17:41.940 --> 00:17:44.180 you might make a few bucks. You should make a few bucks if you 225 00:17:44.220 --> 00:17:48.849 do it right, and they're also promoting your show and starting a conversation with 226 00:17:48.970 --> 00:17:53.250 other people every time they go into the public with your shirt on. It's 227 00:17:53.250 --> 00:17:59.440 a can't lose proposition. So really, go buy some stuff, go buy 228 00:17:59.440 --> 00:18:04.039 some merche from all your favorite podcasters and if their merch sucks, go back 229 00:18:04.079 --> 00:18:07.279 up the list and email them or call them and say, Hey, I'd 230 00:18:07.279 --> 00:18:08.920 buy more of your Merch, but it sucks. Your march should be like 231 00:18:10.039 --> 00:18:14.309 this. Why don't you make this or that? PODCASTERS will listen to you 232 00:18:14.549 --> 00:18:17.990 and they will probably make merch just for you. The last thing here on 233 00:18:18.069 --> 00:18:22.390 the list on how to be a good podcast listener is to volunteer. Now, 234 00:18:22.670 --> 00:18:30.500 this can go from as simple as retweeting something to being virtually an employee 235 00:18:30.740 --> 00:18:33.980 of that organization. It can. The range is big. So think of 236 00:18:34.059 --> 00:18:40.019 it like a fan club or something like that, where fans of the band 237 00:18:40.339 --> 00:18:45.089 in many cases become the road crew, they become the merch table people and 238 00:18:45.250 --> 00:18:48.609 they grow with the band. If that band ever makes it. Those people 239 00:18:48.690 --> 00:18:52.690 typically come on as like their employees doing the same roles they've been doing for 240 00:18:52.849 --> 00:18:56.480 years. So, if you've been with the podcaster for a long time and 241 00:18:56.559 --> 00:18:59.960 you've worked your way up through the steps of subscribing, review and sharing, 242 00:19:00.079 --> 00:19:03.839 commenting, emailing youfn calling, showing up in person, buy and submerged and 243 00:19:03.880 --> 00:19:08.720 now you're volunteering. You can do things like manage their online community, maybe 244 00:19:08.759 --> 00:19:12.829 run a social media account or screen guests for the shows, things like that. 245 00:19:12.950 --> 00:19:15.670 You know, it's kind of fun stuff, but not too much responsibility, 246 00:19:17.230 --> 00:19:21.789 but still a responsibility. The thing is, doing a podcast actually takes 247 00:19:21.829 --> 00:19:25.019 a lot more work than people think. It's not just talking into him, 248 00:19:25.059 --> 00:19:26.619 like nobody's going to listen to a show where you just talking to a Mike 249 00:19:26.859 --> 00:19:32.500 because most of the time it sounds poopy and honestly, the talking is the 250 00:19:32.579 --> 00:19:36.740 easiest part, but it's also the hardest thing for most people to do. 251 00:19:37.769 --> 00:19:41.569 And by that I mean if you want to work on a podcast and there's 252 00:19:41.569 --> 00:19:45.890 already a person doing the talking, but you really like editing or you really 253 00:19:45.930 --> 00:19:48.289 like promoting or being part of a team because they think that's a cool logo 254 00:19:48.369 --> 00:19:52.880 or something, work it out, volunteer. Most podcasters I know would accept 255 00:19:52.960 --> 00:19:57.079 a volunteer and a lot of podcasters I know have their act enough together to 256 00:19:57.200 --> 00:20:03.160 where it would be a really kind of beneficial relationship for both of you, 257 00:20:03.039 --> 00:20:06.759 and I'm not talking about me. I would not know what to do with 258 00:20:06.839 --> 00:20:12.390 the volunteer. Probably wave me with big palm frond leaves and feed be grapes, 259 00:20:14.069 --> 00:20:18.910 something like that it so that might sound like a lot of different things, 260 00:20:19.430 --> 00:20:22.019 but it's kind of given to you as a list that you can do 261 00:20:22.059 --> 00:20:29.940 overtime gradually. So start out subscribing, then hit a five star review, 262 00:20:30.460 --> 00:20:34.099 then maybe leave a comment in the review, then start sharing the episodes. 263 00:20:34.220 --> 00:20:40.089 That's next level. If you've subscribed and left to five star review and you're 264 00:20:40.170 --> 00:20:45.170 now consistently sharing episodes, that's fantastic. Whether or not you're in social media 265 00:20:45.730 --> 00:20:49.839 and commenting on social media post is a different thing and honestly, unless you 266 00:20:49.880 --> 00:20:56.000 have something to say, emailing and calling more than once a month that might 267 00:20:56.039 --> 00:20:59.400 be weird. And of course you're off the hook for showing up right now. 268 00:20:59.440 --> 00:21:03.279 You don't have to show up. There's no venues open. There's no 269 00:21:03.519 --> 00:21:11.150 INPERSON podcasting while we're in Covid you can definitely buy merch but that said, 270 00:21:11.269 --> 00:21:17.589 don't buy stupid Merche. Make your podcasters make good birds and then volunteer. 271 00:21:18.940 --> 00:21:22.980 Cool. Cool. If you want to add anything to this list, let 272 00:21:23.059 --> 00:21:29.619 me know. If you think anything's things are off base. I'm sure you 273 00:21:29.740 --> 00:21:33.650 let me know, because that's three humans work for. EMO Dojo. I 274 00:21:34.250 --> 00:21:42.250 am johnny emotions and now back to the wall.