How come there are no grumpy old chimps?

WEBVTT 1 00:00:16.190 --> 00:00:20.109 Ay. So, anyway, what I was saying, Oh hey, welcome 2 00:00:20.149 --> 00:00:24.980 back to Emo Dojo. What Up, Gary? What up? So Gary 3 00:00:25.019 --> 00:00:29.260 and I just stopped by the Dojo today. Becky will be back tomorrow when 4 00:00:29.339 --> 00:00:33.500 we're interviewing podcaster Jacob Thornton. That should be fun. We're doing that live 5 00:00:34.020 --> 00:00:38.369 Sunday at noon central time. You can look on the Internet to figure out 6 00:00:38.369 --> 00:00:43.649 what time that is in your area. Jacob should be fun. He's Autistic, 7 00:00:43.729 --> 00:00:48.929 tells it like it is and he's really interested in starting his own show 8 00:00:48.969 --> 00:00:51.759 and getting that up and running. So I figured why not? Who a 9 00:00:51.840 --> 00:00:57.880 better guests to have to chat with about fun stuff? Cool? anyways. 10 00:00:57.960 --> 00:01:02.880 Yeah, we were just talking about how fucking Matthew mcconaughey is everywhere. Dude, 11 00:01:03.000 --> 00:01:07.829 tell so it started because I get on the live TV. A lot 12 00:01:07.870 --> 00:01:12.269 of people don't watch live TV or even have live TV anymore, but I 13 00:01:12.430 --> 00:01:17.950 turned it on because I live where it's flat. So on most modern TV's, 14 00:01:18.579 --> 00:01:22.739 if you just turn on your antenna you can catch real signals where it's 15 00:01:22.739 --> 00:01:25.420 flat, of actual TV. It's amazing. It's this weirdest shit. I 16 00:01:25.459 --> 00:01:30.099 feel like I'm in the S. I see commercials for furniture stores and all 17 00:01:30.099 --> 00:01:36.930 kind of stuff. Anyway, you see like three hours of various programmings from 18 00:01:37.849 --> 00:01:41.569 NBC, abccbs. Still I forget what they're called. Good morning to America 19 00:01:41.609 --> 00:01:45.849 type shows, ring shows, morning talk shows. Yes, swear to God, 20 00:01:45.849 --> 00:01:48.879 he was on every single one of them. I tries to escape them 21 00:01:48.920 --> 00:01:52.640 like this guy. I mean I love the Guy, but I'm like whatever, 22 00:01:52.719 --> 00:01:53.680 not in the mood right now. So I switched to the other channel. 23 00:01:53.760 --> 00:01:59.120 Too much, it's over saturation. Well, HMM, now what he 24 00:01:59.239 --> 00:02:00.430 was told, what he was talking about? Our just wasn't in the mood 25 00:02:00.469 --> 00:02:02.790 for him that time or whatever, you know, because you can't be in 26 00:02:02.829 --> 00:02:06.709 the mood for your favorite thing all the time. So just looking for something 27 00:02:06.790 --> 00:02:12.550 else and nic switch to the other channel. Little coming up, Matthew mcconaughey. 28 00:02:12.870 --> 00:02:15.099 I'm like Na, what next channel? Same thing. I got the 29 00:02:15.180 --> 00:02:20.500 fuck. And then later that night's flicking by that hot wing show, hot 30 00:02:20.580 --> 00:02:23.900 ones, there's fucking matthew mcconaughey on hot ones, my Jesus Christ. And 31 00:02:23.939 --> 00:02:28.300 then you told me you see Matthew mcconaughey on Rogan. I'm like, Oh 32 00:02:28.340 --> 00:02:30.930 my God, that guy's fucking everywhere. All you figure, since the whole 33 00:02:30.969 --> 00:02:35.050 covid thing. You can't really go on to these shows in person, so 34 00:02:35.409 --> 00:02:38.930 you might as well bring the show to him. Yeah, well, when 35 00:02:38.930 --> 00:02:43.650 you're Matt mcconaughey, you probably have the best pr campaign people ever. So 36 00:02:43.930 --> 00:02:46.840 they just make it effortless. Just get out of there and do it. 37 00:02:46.879 --> 00:02:49.719 And you're trying to promote your memoir, it's like you got to go everywhere. 38 00:02:49.759 --> 00:02:53.479 Yeah, here's a good storyteller to I mean even like prisons, presenting 39 00:02:53.800 --> 00:02:58.439 his self in these interviews. He's listenable. I just I'm like, Whoa, 40 00:02:58.710 --> 00:03:01.550 that's overwhelming. It's amazing. Yeah, my first taste was stern. 41 00:03:01.629 --> 00:03:06.030 He was on stern on Wednesday and then it went from there. MMM, 42 00:03:06.389 --> 00:03:09.629 yeah, and I saw them like entertainment tonight. Can you believe entertainment tonight 43 00:03:09.789 --> 00:03:14.419 is still on? No, weird, like when you're flicking by the real 44 00:03:14.500 --> 00:03:20.460 TV late at night, like what entertainment tonight? Of these old reruns, 45 00:03:20.500 --> 00:03:23.020 and like Nope, it's actually still a show. Like Damn, some really 46 00:03:23.099 --> 00:03:28.129 runs. Why the fuck would you rerun entertainment tonight? Do they rerun all 47 00:03:28.169 --> 00:03:30.490 the old shows? I'm like, this is weird. This like entire channels 48 00:03:30.530 --> 00:03:35.569 of just old reruns. Of even like game shows and TV, I mean 49 00:03:35.889 --> 00:03:38.090 topical shows, that of the time I'm like, Oh, this is weird. 50 00:03:38.129 --> 00:03:43.919 They include the old commercials in many cases to that's fascinating. That is 51 00:03:44.039 --> 00:03:47.199 fascinating, especially the commercials. But that actually reminds me of hold. Things 52 00:03:47.879 --> 00:03:53.000 don't change. They seem to change, but the glossy covering change, the 53 00:03:53.080 --> 00:03:55.629 frosting on the cake changes a little bit. But man, humans have been 54 00:03:55.669 --> 00:04:00.110 the same way for generations and generations, definitely far back as I can see. 55 00:04:00.669 --> 00:04:05.789 HMM, for sure. So I was looking at article talking about emotions 56 00:04:05.830 --> 00:04:13.939 and happiness and grumpy old men. So do you think? Okay, here's 57 00:04:13.939 --> 00:04:17.019 an interesting side thought. So in some cultures happiness is not even a goal, 58 00:04:17.660 --> 00:04:21.579 right, like in Japan, I've heard. It's just not a goal. 59 00:04:21.660 --> 00:04:25.649 It's not a thing. It's not like it's that's something you it's not 60 00:04:25.769 --> 00:04:30.209 something you can achieve. It's something you experience in a moment or not. 61 00:04:30.930 --> 00:04:33.529 It's not something. Chinese or the same way as well, right. So 62 00:04:33.689 --> 00:04:38.250 Asian culture, basically, that's not they understand that. Happiness is not a 63 00:04:38.290 --> 00:04:41.439 state you live in. It's somewhere you pass work, work, work, 64 00:04:42.040 --> 00:04:45.480 yeah, or well, they're not antihappiness. They just don't think it's something 65 00:04:45.600 --> 00:04:49.519 that you can keep working towards and then one day get to. They acknowledge 66 00:04:49.519 --> 00:04:53.790 it as just a thing you experience and you then you go to the next 67 00:04:53.870 --> 00:05:00.790 thing. Well, that probably explains the oppressiveness feel of Japan. I've heard 68 00:05:00.790 --> 00:05:04.350 from many, many people that have been there that they say, yeah, 69 00:05:04.389 --> 00:05:10.939 there's an oppressive feeling going on there. Kind of Dour. Explains the strange 70 00:05:11.019 --> 00:05:15.980 Japanese suicide forest. Have you heard of that? The suicide for us now? 71 00:05:16.060 --> 00:05:18.540 Yeah, it's apparently there's some forest out there were a lot of people 72 00:05:18.540 --> 00:05:23.529 hang themselves and it's kind of like the Golden Gate Bridge here right. Yeah, 73 00:05:23.569 --> 00:05:26.529 very much a landmark in that sense, and a lot of people visit 74 00:05:26.569 --> 00:05:29.370 it just to get creeped out and you know, apparently a lot of people 75 00:05:29.490 --> 00:05:32.529 just go there to hang themselves. Creepy, wow. But anyway, so 76 00:05:33.170 --> 00:05:38.079 in those countries, here's the interesting thing. So in America, where a 77 00:05:38.120 --> 00:05:43.560 lot more supposed to be self sufficient, you know, autonomous humans, individualistic, 78 00:05:43.600 --> 00:05:46.920 right, not so much community oriented, socialist, Blah Blah Blah. 79 00:05:46.920 --> 00:05:50.550 We're supposed to be strong individuals, pick ourselves up, that kind of thing. 80 00:05:51.389 --> 00:05:57.069 MMM, so getting back to the happiness bit. How important do you 81 00:05:57.189 --> 00:06:04.339 think self awareness is to happiness? I'll I think it's the whole thing. 82 00:06:05.180 --> 00:06:09.980 You think you have to be aware of yourself in your existence, in the 83 00:06:10.300 --> 00:06:14.379 in the universe to find happening. I'm not saying that's the key to do 84 00:06:14.540 --> 00:06:16.740 happiness, but I'm like, do you think that's the key towards the path 85 00:06:16.819 --> 00:06:21.769 to happiness? Yes, for sure, the relative compared comparing of things. 86 00:06:23.329 --> 00:06:27.370 Well, as the saying goes, when you're comfortable in your own skin, 87 00:06:28.050 --> 00:06:33.480 you put out an energy that other people can feel, you know, because 88 00:06:33.480 --> 00:06:40.480 you're if you're uncomfortable in, say, like public situations, you know like 89 00:06:40.639 --> 00:06:46.079 you're an introvert, you're you're putting it out there and people are going to 90 00:06:46.079 --> 00:06:49.189 be kind of standoffish, you know, because, okay, what, so 91 00:06:49.509 --> 00:06:55.910 what if you're introvert and yourself aware that you are an introvert, so you're 92 00:06:55.910 --> 00:07:00.459 saying just the gesture behavior accordingly because you're selfaware. Got You? Okay? 93 00:07:00.500 --> 00:07:02.620 Yes, well, this starts to get to the point, then, about 94 00:07:02.660 --> 00:07:09.939 happiness. So I was reatting an article about grumpy old men. Right, 95 00:07:11.100 --> 00:07:15.420 okay, and it's not to pick on man at all. Didn't even mention 96 00:07:15.500 --> 00:07:17.689 women, but grumpy old men's a thing. So they're looking at to why 97 00:07:18.490 --> 00:07:24.129 are men grow dumpy? Why? Why are man grumpy as they get older? 98 00:07:24.970 --> 00:07:30.639 So can you hypothesize? Could what do you think that is? Hmm, 99 00:07:32.199 --> 00:07:39.439 I think it has a lot to do with when you get old and 100 00:07:39.600 --> 00:07:43.800 you think about the past, you think about, I guess, those good 101 00:07:43.879 --> 00:07:54.069 things that were there and you maybe want them now but you can't get it. 102 00:07:55.509 --> 00:07:59.300 So kind of a long a longing for the things you've lost. That 103 00:07:59.459 --> 00:08:05.139 makes sense. That's a good one. Just the nostalgic remembrance of the past. 104 00:08:05.740 --> 00:08:09.220 But all on the flips you've noticed when you do run into a grumpy 105 00:08:09.339 --> 00:08:13.089 kind of person, it's just like things used to be better and simpler back 106 00:08:13.129 --> 00:08:16.970 in my day. You know, every generation has that. Yeah, so 107 00:08:18.730 --> 00:08:26.329 what do you think they mean by my day? I got a new hide 108 00:08:26.889 --> 00:08:33.320 when you're when you're younger, and more piss and vinegar that more so, 109 00:08:33.519 --> 00:08:35.360 I guess, of where. I don't know here. Here's what I think 110 00:08:35.360 --> 00:08:39.960 it is. Okay. So I think when people say things were better in 111 00:08:41.120 --> 00:08:46.950 my day, the quote unquote, my day that they are referring to was 112 00:08:46.070 --> 00:08:52.909 a time when they were not aware or concerned with their own death. And 113 00:08:54.029 --> 00:08:58.500 I think the older we get, the more we become concerned, or at 114 00:08:58.500 --> 00:09:01.980 least aware are, of our own death, and we become aware of the 115 00:09:01.139 --> 00:09:07.299 fact, or at least subconsciously aware, that are quote unquote, best days 116 00:09:07.340 --> 00:09:09.850 or behind us. And that, I think, makes us mad, because 117 00:09:09.929 --> 00:09:13.009 we have death is common, it's much closer than it used to be. 118 00:09:13.690 --> 00:09:18.330 There for Goddamn it. I'm mad because when, and you're saying, you 119 00:09:18.450 --> 00:09:24.879 get closer to death agewise, makes you matter, makes you grow, make 120 00:09:24.919 --> 00:09:30.600 you matter. Here's here's the thing. But apparently it's the self awareness, 121 00:09:30.720 --> 00:09:35.120 the awareness of our death, is the problem, because they did a study 122 00:09:35.240 --> 00:09:43.389 with chimpanzees, monkeys, while they have emotions and feelings like humans, chimpanzees 123 00:09:43.429 --> 00:09:48.789 in particular in this study, they have emotions, they cry, they do 124 00:09:48.830 --> 00:09:52.029 a lot of amazing things. People don't actually realize that. They react, 125 00:09:52.429 --> 00:10:01.980 they have emotions. What chimpanzees don't have is any knowledge of death. Chimpanzees 126 00:10:01.179 --> 00:10:09.490 grow old and they stay happy until the day they die. I said, 127 00:10:09.490 --> 00:10:16.889 that is fucking fascinating, Dude. So it's our awareness of death in the 128 00:10:16.009 --> 00:10:22.080 future that makes us grumpy? Yes, because chimpanzees also have memories of the 129 00:10:22.240 --> 00:10:28.759 past and they have knowledge of the present. Conscious awareness to what's that? 130 00:10:28.639 --> 00:10:37.990 It's kind of subconscious awareness too, because as you get older, there's going 131 00:10:39.029 --> 00:10:43.149 to be times where you're not thinking about death, right, but you were 132 00:10:43.190 --> 00:10:45.429 already taught about it, like you know what I mean. It's already in 133 00:10:45.509 --> 00:10:50.259 your head, like you're not consciously thinking about how you learned English, but 134 00:10:50.340 --> 00:10:54.139 you're reading a book. So the day of the day your existence, you're 135 00:10:54.179 --> 00:10:56.779 not. You've hardly ever thinking about death, but I think somewhere gnawing at 136 00:10:56.779 --> 00:11:01.940 the back of your brain that each minute that takes away you like one step 137 00:11:01.179 --> 00:11:07.049 closer to death, one step closer to death, God damn it. Things 138 00:11:07.090 --> 00:11:11.090 used to be better when I didn't know so close to death. Even though 139 00:11:11.129 --> 00:11:16.370 you're not thinking about it, you're subconsciously yet thinking about your subconsciously knowing about 140 00:11:16.370 --> 00:11:20.200 it, let's say knowing. Yes, yes, it's throughout your whole soul 141 00:11:20.399 --> 00:11:22.799 that you know about death, and the older you get there's more validation. 142 00:11:24.240 --> 00:11:26.679 Your friends start dying, your family ahead, if you starts passing away, 143 00:11:28.039 --> 00:11:31.360 you know your there's a pandemic of people all around you die. So you 144 00:11:31.440 --> 00:11:33.710 still like, wow, death is imminent and if I don't get my shit 145 00:11:33.830 --> 00:11:37.190 together, God damn it. And then you start to get frustrated with yourself 146 00:11:37.669 --> 00:11:41.230 and that makes people grumpy because now you just angry at yourself for not having 147 00:11:41.269 --> 00:11:46.299 your shit together. Nothing but clock is ticking. Or you're surrounded by people 148 00:11:46.379 --> 00:11:52.379 that are health challenged. You know, Oh yeah, my immediate family, 149 00:11:52.860 --> 00:11:56.460 mother and father and brother, health challenged right now. That reminds you. 150 00:11:56.779 --> 00:12:01.210 So that reminds you like death is real like that. We deterior rate, 151 00:12:01.529 --> 00:12:07.090 we end some point so that, I mean it becomes our our overwhelming knowledge, 152 00:12:07.090 --> 00:12:09.730 and the thing is like, yeah, that's that was what I was 153 00:12:09.809 --> 00:12:13.649 found strange that chimpanzees don't know that, because I knew that chimpanzees had feelings. 154 00:12:13.450 --> 00:12:16.000 I knew that they could remember things that because they could learn, like 155 00:12:16.240 --> 00:12:20.080 language and things like that too. So they have remembrance of things like sign 156 00:12:20.080 --> 00:12:24.840 language. But is really funny that my favorite thing thoughts of the future, 157 00:12:26.039 --> 00:12:31.429 thinking of the future, you should just hypothesizing a dreaming and Daydreamman and imagining 158 00:12:31.549 --> 00:12:35.870 of a future. All right, chimpanzees don't have any of that. They 159 00:12:35.909 --> 00:12:39.669 stop right here, right now. This is it. Living in the moment. 160 00:12:39.830 --> 00:12:43.549 Yeah, or the past, but but not the future at all. 161 00:12:43.590 --> 00:12:48.340 In the moment, Fred stops laughing. Fred's not here now. It's like, 162 00:12:48.580 --> 00:12:52.139 do you really think that chimpanzees live in the past? At some point 163 00:12:52.700 --> 00:12:56.980 I think they learned from the past. I don't think they have the capacity 164 00:12:56.059 --> 00:13:00.929 to, quote unquote, live in the past like we do. Are John 165 00:13:01.009 --> 00:13:03.330 With Each Other? Okay, remember about two years it can know. Here's 166 00:13:03.330 --> 00:13:09.730 the thing, though, because monkeys do more in the loss of a loved 167 00:13:09.769 --> 00:13:13.960 one, for example, if a monkey dies, they'll more aren't the they'll 168 00:13:13.039 --> 00:13:18.039 miss that interaction and they won't know what to do and they'll mourn in their 169 00:13:18.039 --> 00:13:22.399 special little monkey way. But then they're little tribe community. But for some 170 00:13:22.519 --> 00:13:28.590 reason that morning never implants in their mind that that will happen to them one 171 00:13:28.590 --> 00:13:31.629 day too. They've just thought. Doesn't cross their mind that that will happen 172 00:13:31.669 --> 00:13:35.509 to all of them. Never Cross the point. That totally makes sense and 173 00:13:37.190 --> 00:13:39.149 that's probably a key to life. Well, it's a key. There's this 174 00:13:39.269 --> 00:13:43.379 sense it's a key to a happy life from start to finish. If you 175 00:13:43.539 --> 00:13:46.860 just don't know that you're going to die, you're just as happy as you're 176 00:13:46.860 --> 00:13:50.659 going to be. I mean not to say every monkey's a baseline level of 177 00:13:50.740 --> 00:13:54.740 happiness. They're all not at a hundred. But if a guy lives at 178 00:13:54.740 --> 00:13:56.809 sixty five, is whole life. He'll just hit the wall and die sixty 179 00:13:56.850 --> 00:14:01.929 five level of happiness. Just will remember when I told you that empathy seems 180 00:14:01.970 --> 00:14:07.730 to be a thing that is, Liz, a little thin on me. 181 00:14:07.490 --> 00:14:11.799 In other words, when people die, it's like, yeah, I'm sad, 182 00:14:11.519 --> 00:14:20.759 but I'm not like mourning. I get more into a maybe tribute mode 183 00:14:20.799 --> 00:14:24.350 of like you start really thinking about the good times you had with that person. 184 00:14:24.669 --> 00:14:28.710 Yeah, that's totally valid. Just because you don't cry about it doesn't 185 00:14:28.750 --> 00:14:31.950 I don't think every like because when you when you lose people and you go 186 00:14:31.029 --> 00:14:35.470 to grief counseling, the first thing they teach you is, like everybody grieves 187 00:14:35.509 --> 00:14:39.700 differently. There is no right or wrong way. So right that if that's 188 00:14:39.740 --> 00:14:43.059 your way to grief, that's totally valid and and special. You know what 189 00:14:43.100 --> 00:14:46.179 I mean? Well, I've said that. You know, when I die, 190 00:14:46.179 --> 00:14:50.980 if if someone can do it, you know, just have a celebration 191 00:14:52.179 --> 00:14:56.570 of life. Don't mourn me just fucking yeah. You know, I pick 192 00:14:56.649 --> 00:14:58.889 the good parts. Talk about those. You know, have a have a 193 00:15:00.009 --> 00:15:03.769 party, celebrate an excuse. Yeah, just use it as an excuse too, 194 00:15:03.929 --> 00:15:07.440 for a party. Why not? Yeah, this fucker died. He 195 00:15:07.559 --> 00:15:11.399 was cool, you know, he partied as well. So so makes me 196 00:15:11.480 --> 00:15:15.399 wonder if it's honest party for him. Is that the key to our happiness 197 00:15:15.399 --> 00:15:20.759 or is that a key to our happiness? Is just trying to put aside 198 00:15:20.759 --> 00:15:24.110 the idea that we're going to die one day? I think it's a key 199 00:15:24.190 --> 00:15:26.710 to a happiness because, you know, of course there's a I actually had 200 00:15:26.750 --> 00:15:37.100 a conversation with a new friend that's Catholic and you know, I brought up 201 00:15:37.179 --> 00:15:43.779 I go, what is it with you Catholics and just celebrating the dead so 202 00:15:43.899 --> 00:15:46.820 much? It seems to be. What's that with you fucking cat looks over 203 00:15:46.940 --> 00:15:50.370 here? Be in Latin culture to that there's just a celebration of the dead. 204 00:15:50.370 --> 00:15:56.129 Yeah, for sure, I don't get it. I don't understand it. 205 00:15:56.250 --> 00:16:04.039 I just don't understand wasting time in a cemetery talking or just staring at 206 00:16:04.080 --> 00:16:08.279 the gravestone of someone that passed. I mean, don't you think that person 207 00:16:08.320 --> 00:16:11.840 would probably go hey, why don't you go do something instead as being here? 208 00:16:15.879 --> 00:16:19.669 Do you think they're actually think they're talking to that person. I think 209 00:16:19.710 --> 00:16:23.389 there is some sort of connection in that way. Yes, at that I 210 00:16:23.470 --> 00:16:26.509 think there is. Well, I mean they're not having you could be right, 211 00:16:26.710 --> 00:16:32.549 so maybe having a conversation, but most are just there just to I 212 00:16:32.669 --> 00:16:36.659 guess I could see that like honestly. Because, okay, here's how I 213 00:16:36.700 --> 00:16:38.539 could see that. Like, for example, you and I both like nature. 214 00:16:40.019 --> 00:16:42.059 We like hiking and riding our mountain bikes off into the hills and stuff. 215 00:16:42.500 --> 00:16:48.889 So, given that most cemeteries are also quiet, a lot of them 216 00:16:48.929 --> 00:16:52.090 are hilly, they're beautifully camp they're just kind of pleasant, peaceful places to 217 00:16:52.169 --> 00:16:56.049 be. I like peacefulness a lot and I don't really think of the dead 218 00:16:56.210 --> 00:17:02.200 is creepy at all. So to me it's I don't really have a loved 219 00:17:02.240 --> 00:17:06.920 one or even anybody I know that's in a cemetery I can visit, but 220 00:17:07.039 --> 00:17:10.200 if I did, it would definitely be a place I would consider. Riding 221 00:17:10.279 --> 00:17:14.000 my bike maybe once or twice a year, stopping, buying, just chilling 222 00:17:14.119 --> 00:17:17.269 and in the few minutes I would stop and just kind of pay a quiet 223 00:17:17.349 --> 00:17:21.549 observance to the headstone and think of the good times. But beyond, what 224 00:17:21.910 --> 00:17:25.430 I see here makes sense to me. But and on top of and on 225 00:17:25.549 --> 00:17:27.430 top of a nice place to bike ride, if it was a shitty place 226 00:17:27.549 --> 00:17:30.299 on top of a dark hill? No, I'm not sorry, I'm just 227 00:17:30.380 --> 00:17:33.980 not going there, but you know I mean so agree with you, though. 228 00:17:33.220 --> 00:17:38.099 Is the peacefulness? Yes, the peacefulness and feel of you know it's 229 00:17:38.220 --> 00:17:41.299 someplace. Why you just want to escape to that part. I totally get 230 00:17:41.339 --> 00:17:45.130 that. Next time. They're fascinating to especially the old ones. Like there's 231 00:17:45.170 --> 00:17:49.849 a over in black diamond mines up in Pittsburgh, California. It was old 232 00:17:49.930 --> 00:17:55.329 mining town and the whole town got wiped out by black lung disease or some 233 00:17:55.490 --> 00:17:57.529 shit because of all the cold dust they were bringing out of the mind. 234 00:17:57.680 --> 00:18:02.519 So there's a whole bunch of tombstones up there from like the eighteen hundreds and 235 00:18:02.640 --> 00:18:04.359 then I think smallpox came and wiped out the rest of the town. So 236 00:18:06.079 --> 00:18:10.440 it's really trippy. Is like little headstones at like born one thousand eighteen, 237 00:18:10.519 --> 00:18:12.430 ninety six, diedeousand eight hundred and ninety seven, like yeah, I was 238 00:18:12.430 --> 00:18:18.230 a little baby in there. Crazy Shit, but that's just historic stuff. 239 00:18:18.230 --> 00:18:21.509 That's not that's a little different than what you're talking about. Yeah, but 240 00:18:21.670 --> 00:18:23.589 is it a Catholic thing? Don't choose go to Jewish cemeteries, or don't 241 00:18:23.589 --> 00:18:29.579 military families do the same thing at military cemeteries? I don't know. I'm 242 00:18:29.660 --> 00:18:33.019 only going by the people that I've come in content just with. You. 243 00:18:33.099 --> 00:18:37.539 Just know more Catholics than Jews or military people? Maybe I don't. Don't 244 00:18:37.539 --> 00:18:47.730 know. I knew know of any Jewish, Jewish descendants. Vicky Coker at 245 00:18:47.769 --> 00:18:52.170 the money yeah, and the moment my mother in Law Jewish. Yeah, 246 00:18:52.250 --> 00:19:00.000 for you, definitely. I I did have one tape trader friend in New 247 00:19:00.000 --> 00:19:03.680 York City. He was definitely Jewish. But yeah, that was it. 248 00:19:03.839 --> 00:19:08.240 That because there's not really a lot of what unquote you, I mean to 249 00:19:08.319 --> 00:19:12.670 your point. I think all the religions do it, the semetary thing. 250 00:19:14.710 --> 00:19:18.750 So you just just seeing the ones in your social circles, but I'm fairly 251 00:19:18.829 --> 00:19:22.869 certain all the different ones do it. I'm you're probably right, although I'll 252 00:19:22.910 --> 00:19:26.019 say Catholics have some of the more involved rituals about death that I've seen. 253 00:19:26.059 --> 00:19:30.619 If, like, I went to a proper Catholic funeral when my buddy rays 254 00:19:30.779 --> 00:19:33.740 father passed away, and they all had the same uniform, they all had 255 00:19:33.779 --> 00:19:37.420 the same beads. They all had the same Crucifix Cross and they're all like 256 00:19:37.650 --> 00:19:41.890 seeming to do similar prayers and by multitude of numbers. Remember when you have 257 00:19:41.970 --> 00:19:47.289 to write sentences on the chalkboard when you got in trouble at school? That's 258 00:19:47.329 --> 00:19:51.049 what they would do. They would repeat these prayers over and over and count 259 00:19:51.049 --> 00:19:52.200 a bead and beat and beat it, push the beat up, as they 260 00:19:52.200 --> 00:19:55.799 would say the prayers. So that's what a lot of them are doing. 261 00:19:55.839 --> 00:19:57.839 Their reciting a prayer each time they push a beat up. Will look how 262 00:19:57.880 --> 00:20:02.559 long that necklace is. That's a lot of beads right there. So a 263 00:20:02.599 --> 00:20:07.309 lot of them are spending time doing a ritual. That's what I know. 264 00:20:07.430 --> 00:20:11.349 That about Catholics. I don't know if Jews have prayer beads or native Americans 265 00:20:11.710 --> 00:20:15.349 dance around the Wigwam or some shit. I don't know that makes sense. 266 00:20:15.509 --> 00:20:19.349 The the ritual part. Yeah, because I mean I think the ritual does 267 00:20:19.430 --> 00:20:22.180 take a number of times. If you go to the church on Sunday and 268 00:20:22.220 --> 00:20:26.099 said I've been missing my dead husband and he says Oh, well, go, 269 00:20:26.819 --> 00:20:30.940 you know, read the Blah blad passage a hundred times and you'll feel 270 00:20:30.980 --> 00:20:34.849 better. Well, really he's just telling her to meditate for people that don't 271 00:20:34.849 --> 00:20:37.970 know how to meditate. So you go there and you get a hypnotic state. 272 00:20:38.049 --> 00:20:41.490 You read it over and over and it, you know, washes away 273 00:20:41.529 --> 00:20:45.089 your troubles because you now focused on a new thing. HMM, it's fine. 274 00:20:45.769 --> 00:20:51.880 It's different because we don't do it, but it's it's fine. Learn 275 00:20:52.000 --> 00:21:00.720 something new every day. I've remember Shit I didn't know every day. That 276 00:21:00.880 --> 00:21:04.430 does make sense, though, that every type of religion as their own rituals 277 00:21:04.630 --> 00:21:10.829 towards the passing of loved ones or friends or whatever. Once some Barry, 278 00:21:10.950 --> 00:21:14.910 some burn, some, you know, putting on a pire and a raft 279 00:21:14.990 --> 00:21:18.339 and float down the river. Still. Yeah, I'm not sure what the 280 00:21:18.420 --> 00:21:22.259 rest do. I just I mean I was raised in a Christian society by 281 00:21:22.339 --> 00:21:26.259 mostly kind of Christian people. So we either like cremated or put into a 282 00:21:26.380 --> 00:21:30.059 casket, whichever you wants or afford. It used to be the casket thing, 283 00:21:30.099 --> 00:21:33.009 but it seems like most people have gone towards cremation lately and a lot 284 00:21:33.049 --> 00:21:38.009 of people are into the don't put me in urn, spread me out around 285 00:21:38.089 --> 00:21:45.490 my favorite place. HMM, those are that's that's my folks directive. Yeah, 286 00:21:45.609 --> 00:21:49.839 that's pretty much most Americans I know are like that. Yeah, I 287 00:21:49.960 --> 00:21:56.839 mean my folks bought a what do you call that when you're in one of 288 00:21:56.920 --> 00:22:03.750 those mausoleums? I don't know, a slot, nitch? Yeah, okay, 289 00:22:03.829 --> 00:22:07.549 they bought into a niche. What goes into a niche? As they 290 00:22:07.589 --> 00:22:15.069 got closer towards now, Dude, even they're still alive. Yeah, they 291 00:22:15.380 --> 00:22:19.180 said, you know what, if you guys need the money, go ahead 292 00:22:19.180 --> 00:22:25.299 and sell the niche and just, you know, spread our remains on like 293 00:22:25.500 --> 00:22:30.329 Monte a blows. That amazing. Like that, semitary spots and mausoleum spots, 294 00:22:30.410 --> 00:22:33.529 like niches, are like time shares. Basically, you just buy into 295 00:22:33.529 --> 00:22:38.250 it, but there is value because other people want that. Correct. So 296 00:22:40.369 --> 00:22:44.599 we've actually noticed that it's increased in Backley. You will look, it's almost 297 00:22:44.599 --> 00:22:47.799 like property. So it's property. It's literally property. It's like timeshare. 298 00:22:47.880 --> 00:22:52.839 You don't own the land, but you own a by agreement, the value 299 00:22:52.920 --> 00:22:56.839 of that piece of the land that you have been paying into. MMM, 300 00:22:56.440 --> 00:23:00.269 I think that's neat. How big is the niche and what's supposed to go 301 00:23:00.309 --> 00:23:03.670 into it? Like a couple urns, I mean ideally, is that originally 302 00:23:03.750 --> 00:23:06.869 what those are for? Are they like a locker size space inside of a 303 00:23:07.309 --> 00:23:11.349 big marble room? I think. There you go, but you just said 304 00:23:11.390 --> 00:23:19.220 Yep, yeah, Marble Room and some little locker deals. Racial can have 305 00:23:19.380 --> 00:23:23.019 like your name ingrained on it. So you put a little plaques or a 306 00:23:23.940 --> 00:23:27.289 little mounted flower urns and things like that on the side if you if you 307 00:23:27.369 --> 00:23:32.690 upgrade. This is a fancy one, not the Hollywood forever cemetery, but 308 00:23:33.769 --> 00:23:37.170 one west of there in Hollywood where Marilyn Monroe is born. It's like that. 309 00:23:37.289 --> 00:23:41.880 It's almost all like that around the edges. It's like, Huh, 310 00:23:42.680 --> 00:23:47.039 you said born. Oh, Barry de Emmittt. Okay, but she's not 311 00:23:47.119 --> 00:23:49.720 actually bad. I think she's in one of those niches. Are you talking 312 00:23:49.799 --> 00:23:56.150 the big huge what's it called? It's the wanting. It's not forest lawn 313 00:23:56.230 --> 00:23:59.630 either. That was enough. Yeah, I know it's not that one. 314 00:23:59.750 --> 00:24:03.990 I didn't. My friend of mine, who has a deep history of Hollywood, 315 00:24:03.029 --> 00:24:07.190 showed me where it was. It's down sunset, basically, oh, 316 00:24:07.269 --> 00:24:11.099 wait a minute, there's it's bad. It's like a celebrity one. Well, 317 00:24:11.180 --> 00:24:14.500 this too, okay. This is the Hollywood for everyone, which is 318 00:24:14.539 --> 00:24:18.299 in kind of the heart of Hollywood. With Dee Dee Ramone statue and all 319 00:24:18.339 --> 00:24:22.380 that really Badass like pyramid glass, stained glass, pyramid mouzle. The whole 320 00:24:22.420 --> 00:24:25.730 thing is super cool. It's not that one. I'm like, oh well, 321 00:24:25.809 --> 00:24:27.529 where is it? So he drove me down to Beverly Hills. It's 322 00:24:27.569 --> 00:24:32.009 just like a square block in Beverly Hills. It looks like a city park, 323 00:24:32.049 --> 00:24:34.609 almost, just like one square block with a bunch of trees and grass, 324 00:24:34.650 --> 00:24:40.000 but it's full of headstones and that's where mel blank was, Marilyn Monroe, 325 00:24:40.799 --> 00:24:45.079 like that level of celebrities were down there. Wow. But yeah, 326 00:24:45.119 --> 00:24:48.680 forest lawn is a trip to if I fasten the whole thing about dying is 327 00:24:48.759 --> 00:24:52.710 fascinating. That the fact that it's an industry is really interesting. It is 328 00:24:52.750 --> 00:24:56.589 an industry the undertaker. I was listening to a country station the other day. 329 00:24:57.150 --> 00:25:02.190 Here in Oklahoma. They got a station called Hey Gif am. It's 330 00:25:02.269 --> 00:25:04.670 like that's perfect, so we'll listen to this. Well, one of the 331 00:25:04.710 --> 00:25:08.220 lyrics in one of the country songs I was listening to they to talk about 332 00:25:08.220 --> 00:25:12.500 how they're hanging around. I think the song was called down home and how 333 00:25:12.980 --> 00:25:18.380 GRANDPA was buried up under the maple tree. I start to think, how 334 00:25:18.460 --> 00:25:21.730 fucking simple of a life can we get? Let's just bury our families on 335 00:25:21.849 --> 00:25:26.329 her property and we just go sit out on the bench by GRANDPA and GRANDPA. 336 00:25:26.730 --> 00:25:29.289 So then it wouldn't be as weird. Like that would be an interesting 337 00:25:29.329 --> 00:25:33.369 ritual for white people in America to do instead of counting beads, but it 338 00:25:33.450 --> 00:25:37.720 would still be a ritual. Yeah, this is before all the the big 339 00:25:37.839 --> 00:25:42.880 cities started, and you know everybody had land too. Yeah, yeah, 340 00:25:42.920 --> 00:25:48.319 and just do a dig a plot. Couldn't see that that'd be weird anyway. 341 00:25:48.359 --> 00:25:51.950 So, yeah, we get grumpy because we feared death. Apparently, 342 00:25:52.470 --> 00:25:57.309 are we compared death to our earlier, more youthful times? I've always found 343 00:25:57.390 --> 00:26:03.269 cemeteries just to be kind of I guess because of its quietness. It just 344 00:26:03.390 --> 00:26:06.500 feels weird. So, yeah, that's all in our head. I don't 345 00:26:06.500 --> 00:26:08.500 think a chimpanzee with no Dick about a cemetery. He probably goes shit on 346 00:26:08.539 --> 00:26:11.380 a headstone. They just don't know. They're like death. What's death? 347 00:26:11.740 --> 00:26:15.420 I have no respect for the dead because I don't even know what death means. 348 00:26:15.220 --> 00:26:18.890 I like that. I actually like that perspective. I think I might 349 00:26:18.930 --> 00:26:22.250 adopt that go for it. Well, the part problem is I actually do, 350 00:26:22.529 --> 00:26:26.250 though, what death means. Like he can't UN learn what shall already 351 00:26:26.289 --> 00:26:30.450 know. You can unlearn whatever you want, just better, whether you want 352 00:26:30.490 --> 00:26:32.960 to. You can't be can't your brain to day whatever you want it to 353 00:26:33.039 --> 00:26:34.720 do. You can't on learn it. You have to overlearn it. You 354 00:26:34.799 --> 00:26:38.880 have to put new stuff on top of it that's stronger than the earlier shit. 355 00:26:41.799 --> 00:26:42.799 In other words, you can't peel it back and just go back to 356 00:26:42.920 --> 00:26:45.720 nothing. You can't pour nothing into your head and say, okay, cover 357 00:26:45.839 --> 00:26:52.069 up that like a eternal sunshine of a spotless mind. IDEA. HMM, 358 00:26:52.470 --> 00:26:57.150 selective memory, racuer. All right, dude, let's get out of here. 359 00:26:59.109 --> 00:27:02.579 Tomorrow at noon. Send it at noon central time. We're going live 360 00:27:02.700 --> 00:27:07.700 with Jacob Thornton and our cohost, Pecky, will join us, which you 361 00:27:07.740 --> 00:27:11.059 do in the rest of the day. I'm waiting back up a second, 362 00:27:11.220 --> 00:27:15.890 so I won't you meant. You mentioned that you want to do like a 363 00:27:15.970 --> 00:27:22.170 half hour before the guest comes on. So do you are you doing earlier 364 00:27:22.410 --> 00:27:26.369 than that and then the guest comes on? It twelve. What do you 365 00:27:26.450 --> 00:27:30.480 want to do? In other words, do you want to start broadcasting to 366 00:27:30.640 --> 00:27:34.759 this audience at thirty, when we're quote unquote, practicing, and let the 367 00:27:34.839 --> 00:27:40.799 guests drop in at noon, or do you want to just shoot the shit 368 00:27:40.920 --> 00:27:47.109 and warm up before noon and then start recording when he gets here? It's 369 00:27:47.109 --> 00:27:53.029 up to you. A minute, fifteen minute ahead of time, I'm mean, 370 00:27:53.309 --> 00:27:56.589 yeah, yeah, who doesn't matter how many minutes. I'm just saying, 371 00:27:56.630 --> 00:27:59.059 which way do you want to go? Do you want to like open 372 00:27:59.099 --> 00:28:04.220 up the mics and talk to this audience like we're doing now, before the 373 00:28:04.259 --> 00:28:07.700 guest gets here? Yes, you do. Okay, so they'll. So 374 00:28:08.099 --> 00:28:11.859 this will all go live and then the guests will drop in live. And 375 00:28:11.980 --> 00:28:17.130 then if the guest doesn't drop in, that'll be live too, and we'll 376 00:28:17.210 --> 00:28:22.130 publicly humiliate the guess for not showing up. It'll be live. We want 377 00:28:22.170 --> 00:28:25.650 to have any choice. Now. We won't publicly hubiliate them, but the 378 00:28:25.730 --> 00:28:29.880 fact that they've liked will be broadcast live. Yeah, I think it should 379 00:28:29.880 --> 00:28:33.759 be. I think these people that flake all the time, who cannot keep 380 00:28:33.160 --> 00:28:41.549 I mean it's like, Dude, you're taking our time away and you're flaking 381 00:28:41.630 --> 00:28:45.150 on this thing to promote. You want to promote something and you're flaking on 382 00:28:45.230 --> 00:28:52.349 it. Right right, exactly. Hey, oh, hey, fuck you. 383 00:28:52.869 --> 00:28:55.630 It's what it feels like. So the way I look at it is 384 00:28:55.740 --> 00:28:59.660 if they flake, then yeah, we cool some out. Well, we'll 385 00:28:59.700 --> 00:29:02.660 still have a show. That's the cool thing I like about doing a show 386 00:29:02.700 --> 00:29:06.299 with you and Becky is that, if the guess flakes, will just keep 387 00:29:06.339 --> 00:29:08.779 talking about whatever the fuck we were talking about for as long as a show 388 00:29:08.900 --> 00:29:14.250 needs to be. Hell Yeah, I love it. Doesn't always need a 389 00:29:14.329 --> 00:29:17.730 guest. I don't. I don't think everybody needs a guest all the time. 390 00:29:17.769 --> 00:29:19.089 Sometimes we have enough to get off our chest. We could have included 391 00:29:19.170 --> 00:29:23.559 that whole bore at review you on this show, but I had to tell 392 00:29:23.559 --> 00:29:27.559 you about that secret thing. So you know, we've got plenty to talk 393 00:29:27.599 --> 00:29:30.680 about all the time. And, by the way, I might send over 394 00:29:30.720 --> 00:29:34.519 an email to Jacob Thornton. I don't know. Tell me if this is 395 00:29:34.640 --> 00:29:38.190 weird, but I want to see if he'll watch off the rails before he 396 00:29:38.309 --> 00:29:47.430 comes on, because Jacob is all so autistic. But is that like asking 397 00:29:48.470 --> 00:29:52.470 a black person to watch birth of a nation before they come on the I 398 00:29:52.509 --> 00:29:55.779 mean, you know what I mean is that weird asks hisstic person. They 399 00:29:55.819 --> 00:30:02.180 go watch this really powerful movie about an autistic person. I don't find it 400 00:30:02.579 --> 00:30:06.980 offensive. If that's what you're asking, I don't either. I I think 401 00:30:07.019 --> 00:30:07.890 maybe you should wear it. It is just like, Hey, have you 402 00:30:07.970 --> 00:30:12.369 seen this movie? If not, highly encourage you to check it out. 403 00:30:12.410 --> 00:30:18.329 It would be a great to discuss this topic with you. Right, I 404 00:30:18.490 --> 00:30:22.799 agree. I think it's powerful, regardless of where you are on the spectrum. 405 00:30:22.839 --> 00:30:29.920 Right. I mean, I did. I I looked up, what 406 00:30:30.160 --> 00:30:33.519 was it? Free Darius now? Yeah, yeah, there's. There's actually 407 00:30:33.559 --> 00:30:38.549 a fundraiser for him. I saw that. I got his address from the 408 00:30:40.750 --> 00:30:45.869 psychiatric hospitals in New York. To Dude, he's in a I mean the 409 00:30:45.910 --> 00:30:51.180 way they describe the place. They're like, yeah, he's around psychotic murder 410 00:30:51.380 --> 00:30:55.500 his people, and it's like the and this is what I don't understand. 411 00:30:55.619 --> 00:31:00.940 It's like he has shown no signs of violence, yet they treat him like 412 00:31:00.339 --> 00:31:04.410 he's like a murderous criminal as I don't get it. Easy. What Gary 413 00:31:04.410 --> 00:31:07.329 and I are talking about? This a thing on Amazon, was it? 414 00:31:07.410 --> 00:31:11.690 Yeah, Amazon prime called off the rails the story of Darius McCallum. You 415 00:31:11.809 --> 00:31:15.410 gotta check it out. I don't don't have want to give it away. 416 00:31:15.450 --> 00:31:18.170 Just watch the trailer. If it looks like it's something you might be into, 417 00:31:18.210 --> 00:31:22.440 you'll definitely be into it. It's an incredible story, man, it's 418 00:31:22.519 --> 00:31:26.519 touching. It it's just like this dude literally fell in love with something and, 419 00:31:29.519 --> 00:31:34.349 yeah, he went into Unorthodox ways of yeah, pursuing his passion, 420 00:31:34.390 --> 00:31:40.230 of his that thing to him. So I guess a good way to put 421 00:31:40.230 --> 00:31:45.470 it was his he pursued his passion and so intensely that he crossed the line. 422 00:31:45.509 --> 00:31:49.460 All because of that stabbing. That's all I'm going to say. Because 423 00:31:49.460 --> 00:31:52.140 of the trauma he into art. Yeah, well, it's that was shocking. 424 00:31:52.420 --> 00:31:56.019 In the very beginning of the movie you'll find out what we what Gary 425 00:31:56.099 --> 00:31:57.579 just said. He was like stabbed. Oh my God, that is shocking. 426 00:31:57.980 --> 00:32:01.609 But anyway, so he pursued a passion in trains. That hints the 427 00:32:01.609 --> 00:32:06.329 name off the rails, and then you'll see what becomes of his life. 428 00:32:06.809 --> 00:32:09.809 But because he did love from other people, yeah, or the acceptance to 429 00:32:10.089 --> 00:32:15.210 like do what he wanted to do legitimately, would you say? He's better 430 00:32:15.250 --> 00:32:19.839 off, though, in a crazy hospital around psychotics, better than riker's island, 431 00:32:19.960 --> 00:32:24.039 though? I think so. I don't know by what I read about 432 00:32:24.079 --> 00:32:30.069 that place. In upstate New York. It's pretty brutal play. It's as 433 00:32:30.190 --> 00:32:34.349 bad as they get as far as mental facilities go, because it's locked down 434 00:32:34.430 --> 00:32:37.710 and you're stuck in there with actually people who have killed others because they're psychotic. 435 00:32:37.990 --> 00:32:42.589 He's not psychotic. Yeah, and he hasn't killed anyone. It's like 436 00:32:42.710 --> 00:32:45.380 he hasn't, he isn't. He isn't hurt anyone like you know, I 437 00:32:45.460 --> 00:32:47.140 mean isn't. He hasn't rape, he hasn't a salt and he hasn't done 438 00:32:47.140 --> 00:32:52.099 anything to any other human that's the crazy thing. So and the fact that 439 00:32:52.220 --> 00:32:58.339 it's exposed that, you know, he impersonated, you know, a trained 440 00:32:58.380 --> 00:33:02.569 person work or went in on meetings and, you know, never showed any 441 00:33:02.970 --> 00:33:06.170 I mean and they embraced him. They were just like, Oh, yeah, 442 00:33:06.250 --> 00:33:08.009 you know, it's fucking darious. Yes, it's a fucking a fit. 443 00:33:08.890 --> 00:33:13.880 So, anyway, I think he's better off on as how the New 444 00:33:13.920 --> 00:33:20.039 York treats Oh yeah, but the disabled. I just say disabled honestly, 445 00:33:20.200 --> 00:33:23.680 because where he falls on the spectrum is up to you to decide as the 446 00:33:23.720 --> 00:33:28.990 viewer. And how we treat people with various disorders, like do you consider 447 00:33:29.069 --> 00:33:31.750 a mental disorder the same as a physical and which do the same thing to 448 00:33:31.829 --> 00:33:37.910 somebody that was simply physically disabled. It's a lot of interesting kind of ways 449 00:33:37.950 --> 00:33:39.829 to slice the movie. It's really cool. Yeah, and I'd love to 450 00:33:39.869 --> 00:33:44.940 see if someone's going to create something that counters what we saw. Is just 451 00:33:45.019 --> 00:33:46.019 like, well, well, you only saw the inside of it, you 452 00:33:46.059 --> 00:33:50.980 know. You didn't see his dark side. You know, they kind of 453 00:33:51.019 --> 00:33:58.250 covered that. We know they protected that side with the prosecutor. So I 454 00:33:58.329 --> 00:34:00.690 mean fairer if it's not like they ignored it. They gave the prosecutor space 455 00:34:01.049 --> 00:34:04.009 give it side. Anyway. I don't want to give the rest of the 456 00:34:04.009 --> 00:34:07.250 way. So go watch that if you're into it. So check it out. 457 00:34:07.289 --> 00:34:10.400 and been figured a good way to promote this show is to go on 458 00:34:10.519 --> 00:34:16.679 other people's podcasts. One of the dudes podcast I did yesterday was Travis, 459 00:34:17.119 --> 00:34:22.280 Travis Brown, the guy who invented these pod deck things. What are pod 460 00:34:22.360 --> 00:34:28.949 deck? These cards with the questions? Oh yeah, so in honor of 461 00:34:29.070 --> 00:34:35.150 my interview and Travis Graciously having me on his podcast yesterday, I'm not sure 462 00:34:35.150 --> 00:34:38.860 when that's coming out, but it'll be out eventually and then we'll get a 463 00:34:38.900 --> 00:34:43.900 big spike in our viewers, for our listeners, for this show. So 464 00:34:43.980 --> 00:34:45.980 that's kind of cool. Anyway, I really appreciate what he's doing. So 465 00:34:45.059 --> 00:34:49.139 let's go do a couple questions and then get the fuck along with their lives 466 00:34:49.179 --> 00:35:06.929 right on. What makes you feel old? MMM, I could think of 467 00:35:07.010 --> 00:35:13.199 two things. Let me go first. Yeah, please do because I'm blanking. 468 00:35:14.000 --> 00:35:16.599 Okay it. The first one's kind of a Combo, but they're definitely 469 00:35:17.719 --> 00:35:25.349 combined. It's aches and pains, recovery time. That's a good one. 470 00:35:25.510 --> 00:35:29.269 That definitely makes me feel old. I'd never felt that way as a kid. 471 00:35:30.070 --> 00:35:31.510 You could drink, you could party, you could skateboard all day, 472 00:35:31.630 --> 00:35:36.099 you could swim, you could fucking drink again, you could all this crazy 473 00:35:36.139 --> 00:35:39.500 shit right nothing next day. Just sleep it off. Not even a full 474 00:35:39.539 --> 00:35:44.059 night sleep, you just binding the next day. I noticed when I got 475 00:35:44.340 --> 00:35:49.579 really close to fifty, almost exactly fifty, for some reason I like just 476 00:35:49.820 --> 00:35:52.289 kind of ache a little bit getting out of bead of like that's funny. 477 00:35:52.289 --> 00:35:55.530 I didn't I didn't help anybody move yesterday. I didn't do anything worthy of 478 00:35:55.690 --> 00:36:00.409 aches. Or sometimes I'll just do something like right about it, neck crept. 479 00:36:00.769 --> 00:36:04.289 Yeah, or I rode a bike and I'm like why am I? 480 00:36:04.400 --> 00:36:08.239 Thighs are it's like because you haven't rot a bike in like at least six 481 00:36:08.320 --> 00:36:13.639 or seven days, like like six or seven days in. My muscles are 482 00:36:13.679 --> 00:36:15.400 aching already. I'm like, what the fuck? So you just get that 483 00:36:15.519 --> 00:36:20.750 aches and pains and the recovery time when you do actually injure yourself, like 484 00:36:20.869 --> 00:36:23.750 you fall or you bonk your knee or cut your skinner. My skin still 485 00:36:23.789 --> 00:36:30.309 heals fast, but I'm just the akiness of bunking, damage of falling and 486 00:36:30.469 --> 00:36:35.260 that kind of stuff. That sucks. That makes me feel old. That's 487 00:36:35.260 --> 00:36:39.739 a good one, I think. The other thing that kind of makes me 488 00:36:39.820 --> 00:36:44.900 feel old is I have a up did this. I like to be home 489 00:36:46.690 --> 00:36:51.730 before it gets dark. I love it. That's awesome. You know what 490 00:36:51.809 --> 00:36:53.610 I mean. Fuck, you know, I know the vibe you're talking about. 491 00:36:53.929 --> 00:36:57.650 Now it I'll jump in the car and go somewhere, but more or 492 00:36:57.690 --> 00:37:02.480 less I'm not really in the mood of investigating the night anymore, like, 493 00:37:02.519 --> 00:37:06.639 yeah, used to be. Nothing good happens after dark, like my grandma 494 00:37:06.679 --> 00:37:09.840 always said. Like maybe grandma had a point. That's where I see stories 495 00:37:09.840 --> 00:37:13.679 about bad shit happening to people three in the morning and like, well, 496 00:37:13.719 --> 00:37:15.949 that's what you get, you DOUNB fuck, go bad, go to bed, 497 00:37:15.789 --> 00:37:19.829 go home, shut up. Just Rock said it best. He's like, 498 00:37:19.869 --> 00:37:22.590 if you're at the ATM at three o'clock in the morning and you're withdrawing 499 00:37:22.630 --> 00:37:27.230 two hundred dollars, say you ain't. You Ain't getting it for, you 500 00:37:27.349 --> 00:37:30.340 know, going to the hospital or anything like that. You're you're gonna do 501 00:37:30.420 --> 00:37:37.420 some fucking illegal stuff. Yeah, yeah, agreed along those lines. Yeah, 502 00:37:37.860 --> 00:37:38.780 after dark, Shit, that's good. The other thing that makes me 503 00:37:38.820 --> 00:37:45.929 feel old currently is ticktock. It's the first thing I just fucking don't get. 504 00:37:46.489 --> 00:37:50.610 I don't get it. I don't think about Tick Tock, so it 505 00:37:50.650 --> 00:37:54.570 doesn't turn into my brain. I don't. I try not to think about 506 00:37:54.570 --> 00:38:01.880 these brand new social media type APPS that you know, just keep putting in 507 00:38:02.239 --> 00:38:06.480 the you are. She really has some think about it our life. You 508 00:38:06.679 --> 00:38:08.039 really have to think about to make it for it to make you feel old 509 00:38:08.360 --> 00:38:12.159 anytime. So you're a are of it, though, and you've seen a 510 00:38:12.280 --> 00:38:15.469 screenshot of or video or two of it. I've never seen a video. 511 00:38:16.550 --> 00:38:21.989 I've only seen screenshots and links and I just go now. I don't I 512 00:38:22.070 --> 00:38:23.829 don't care. Yeah, so, you get it, so that the it's 513 00:38:23.949 --> 00:38:27.980 popularity is what makes me feel old, like I the fact I don't get 514 00:38:28.059 --> 00:38:31.300 why it's popular is what makes me feel old. Ah, Oh, okay, 515 00:38:31.500 --> 00:38:35.980 well, I don't feel old in that regard. I just feel like 516 00:38:36.260 --> 00:38:40.449 this is something that I I don't give a shit about, whether that makes 517 00:38:40.489 --> 00:38:44.610 me old or just yeah, know, that is it. That's it, 518 00:38:44.730 --> 00:38:46.449 like I holly don't give a shit about and normally I try to give a 519 00:38:46.489 --> 00:38:52.449 shit about all things entertainment industry or music industry related. Right, not this 520 00:38:52.610 --> 00:38:57.320 one, like just not only don't give a shit, it's not apathy, 521 00:38:57.360 --> 00:39:01.400 it's like discussed like hatred, like I dislike it. I don't think it's 522 00:39:01.480 --> 00:39:07.800 ruining shit and like totally so, yeah, really, but because I feel 523 00:39:07.880 --> 00:39:12.230 that way, I'm like, wait, I sound like something an old person 524 00:39:12.309 --> 00:39:14.590 would say. That's why I'm like, is that make me feel old? 525 00:39:15.070 --> 00:39:19.829 Yeah, it's just that kind of thing. It's a but that's just indicative 526 00:39:19.829 --> 00:39:22.429 of any kind of new media that I'm not understanding. But so far I 527 00:39:22.590 --> 00:39:27.460 understand, like almost. I understand the allure of Youtube, I understand the 528 00:39:27.500 --> 00:39:31.699 allure of Netflix, video gaming, online gaming, all those things. But 529 00:39:31.820 --> 00:39:35.900 when it came to tick Tock, I'm like, and then it got super 530 00:39:36.019 --> 00:39:38.969 popular and like why? Like, what, it my old now? Is 531 00:39:39.010 --> 00:39:43.289 it that I finally get old? That's what I start thinking. Well, 532 00:39:43.369 --> 00:39:47.449 I think usually what happens when something gets super popular is it has a money, 533 00:39:49.210 --> 00:39:52.960 a big money backer behind it. That was, yeah, a try 534 00:39:52.840 --> 00:39:59.599 mass a marketing type thing to the audience they're going after, which is mainly 535 00:40:00.639 --> 00:40:05.159 teens and S. Yeah, well, it's also I mean that's Chinese money. 536 00:40:05.239 --> 00:40:12.469 The basically the Chinese military government has control over ticktock. Bad Right. 537 00:40:12.550 --> 00:40:15.789 That troubles me to but I'm not like a conspiracy freak about it. I 538 00:40:15.949 --> 00:40:20.429 just like, well, that's just one other layer of my hatred for a 539 00:40:20.469 --> 00:40:29.579 dumb thing I don't understand already. HMM, yeah, I guess because I 540 00:40:30.139 --> 00:40:32.980 don't think about it, I don't have hatred towards it when I should. 541 00:40:35.730 --> 00:40:38.090 You know now you shouldn't like you. I don't know. It's like when 542 00:40:38.130 --> 00:40:42.050 snapchat came along, I'm like, oh great, another thing that, yeah, 543 00:40:42.050 --> 00:40:46.809 I'm exactly looks a fine. Snapchat, this ticktock thing, all of 544 00:40:46.929 --> 00:40:52.239 that. When our age try and use it, that's where I just go 545 00:40:52.480 --> 00:40:55.719 suka crazy to try to be kid. I mean just live in its society 546 00:40:55.800 --> 00:41:01.199 right now, where everything is geared towards being a fucking teenager, and that's 547 00:41:01.239 --> 00:41:07.349 what really annoys me about do think how how we've become come? It's like 548 00:41:07.789 --> 00:41:10.030 when the whole social media thing came about, I'm like, Oh, it 549 00:41:10.150 --> 00:41:14.630 feels like we're all teenagers again and we're in dividical it's like to you, 550 00:41:14.710 --> 00:41:16.829 I think. Do you think I agree with you? Do you think it's 551 00:41:16.909 --> 00:41:21.260 because we've feared death? We're like, we're just going to cling to our 552 00:41:21.340 --> 00:41:25.460 teenage years because we're unlike chimpanzees, were aware of death, and even more 553 00:41:25.579 --> 00:41:30.059 so now, because people stare at the screens and all they see are riots 554 00:41:30.420 --> 00:41:35.610 and corrupt politicians and pandemic. So do you think? Fine, we are 555 00:41:35.690 --> 00:41:38.090 you talking our age group? Are just humans in general, American Society in 556 00:41:38.210 --> 00:41:43.050 general, American Society in general. Okay, well, brought all the Western 557 00:41:43.090 --> 00:41:45.610 world, all the developed countries that use the Internet, basically, dude, 558 00:41:45.690 --> 00:41:49.760 that's so. I mean going to say global. Now we're all trying to 559 00:41:49.840 --> 00:41:52.840 be youthful or trying to be young, because maybe we just fear death. 560 00:41:52.280 --> 00:42:00.559 Maybe we need to go back to our monkey heritage and stop worrying about death. 561 00:42:00.719 --> 00:42:04.389 Just live happily until we're old and then we just drop ope. Well, 562 00:42:04.469 --> 00:42:07.190 I've kind of noticed that since I've adopted a little bit of a hippie 563 00:42:07.469 --> 00:42:13.750 lifestyle, meaning that I love doing things naked and just, you know, 564 00:42:14.030 --> 00:42:17.579 just feeling what it's like to just be naked and do things and be comfortable, 565 00:42:17.900 --> 00:42:22.139 you know, in my own house, naked. So and the end 566 00:42:22.179 --> 00:42:25.420 of those times I'm not well. So answer the question. What makes you 567 00:42:25.460 --> 00:42:34.690 feel Oldbough, what moment? So, what makes you feel old? I 568 00:42:43.849 --> 00:42:46.639 think there's a number of things, but trying to narrow it down to just 569 00:42:46.880 --> 00:42:53.079 a talking point is difficult for me at this moment. Stick the top one 570 00:42:53.119 --> 00:42:59.949 off the list. Well, you you nailed the one about, you know, 571 00:43:00.070 --> 00:43:02.150 the egges and pains. That that's a given, in my opinion. 572 00:43:04.030 --> 00:43:07.750 Yeah, Oh, only because we know now. I would not have thought 573 00:43:07.750 --> 00:43:09.750 that that was a given. I used to hear old people bitch about the 574 00:43:09.789 --> 00:43:14.460 ages and pains when I was younger and I try not to be that old 575 00:43:14.500 --> 00:43:15.900 guy bitching about the pains. Honestly, they're not that bad. They're just 576 00:43:16.539 --> 00:43:20.380 noticeable more than when I was young. Like when you're young you don't have 577 00:43:20.460 --> 00:43:23.579 any great too I have that goes along at the eggs and pains, I'd 578 00:43:23.579 --> 00:43:25.980 say memory. Oh No, that's a good one, dude, for sure 579 00:43:27.139 --> 00:43:30.409 that does. That make you actually feel like you're losing it? Well, 580 00:43:30.329 --> 00:43:35.449 I think it's by design because, you know, when these smartphones came along, 581 00:43:35.650 --> 00:43:40.289 my memory started getting worse because it's just overloaded with information. And you 582 00:43:40.409 --> 00:43:45.679 know, with that bombardment of information, I have a hard time retaining other 583 00:43:46.000 --> 00:43:52.480 important information because it's it's just swimming in this pool of other information that I 584 00:43:53.239 --> 00:43:57.150 may or may not know what to do with. Yeah, I've read an 585 00:43:57.190 --> 00:44:00.989 interesting story about how the human brain works and it's kind of a bad to 586 00:44:01.110 --> 00:44:06.469 compare the human brain to a computer. But I did like this metaphor that 587 00:44:06.630 --> 00:44:12.500 scientists use and they say the reason we have a hard time pulling up data 588 00:44:12.900 --> 00:44:16.940 when we're older is, simply put, our hard drives are full. It's 589 00:44:17.260 --> 00:44:22.019 we have more data to sort through. When you're three years old and you 590 00:44:22.219 --> 00:44:27.170 only know eight hundred words and fifteen colors or whatever, like life is easy. 591 00:44:27.610 --> 00:44:30.889 As you progress through life, you are loading up your hard drive and 592 00:44:30.130 --> 00:44:34.570 you might have to sort through all that data to get to the right answer, 593 00:44:34.650 --> 00:44:37.369 and it just takes a little bit of time, even at light speed. 594 00:44:37.010 --> 00:44:40.840 Yeah, I need to defrag my hard drive. Yeah, exactly, 595 00:44:43.679 --> 00:44:45.199 that's good, man, those are good. Anyway, that's good enough for 596 00:44:45.239 --> 00:44:47.760 up to like forty five minutes. I think we've had enough, but anything 597 00:44:47.800 --> 00:44:51.440 more than forty five minutes, I think whence people see the length of a 598 00:44:51.559 --> 00:44:54.469 podcast in the in the kind of rack, I think I might scare them 599 00:44:54.469 --> 00:44:58.429 off. So anyway, just if you're listening, most of the podcast can 600 00:44:58.550 --> 00:45:01.670 be trimmed down. I just don't feel like trimming this one down because it's 601 00:45:01.750 --> 00:45:06.230 casually. It's casual Saturday. I think of it this way, though. 602 00:45:06.269 --> 00:45:10.219 If we did not have these smartphones and social media, would my memory still 603 00:45:10.260 --> 00:45:15.500 be just as bad? That's what I'm kind of driving at. I would 604 00:45:15.500 --> 00:45:20.579 saying no. You'd be forced into using that those muscles more your memory. 605 00:45:20.619 --> 00:45:24.690 Would be forced into remembering my phone number, your mom's phone number, your 606 00:45:24.730 --> 00:45:28.889 brother's phone number, like you'd be forced in knowing your own. I mean 607 00:45:28.969 --> 00:45:30.849 even just numbers alone, all the numbers in your better now, in your 608 00:45:30.889 --> 00:45:36.159 phone that you don't think of. All that stuff is muscles that it takes. 609 00:45:36.239 --> 00:45:39.280 Not True Muscles, but you know I mean burns things, because before 610 00:45:39.440 --> 00:45:45.159 these cell phones and smartphones, we would pick up a phone and just be 611 00:45:45.280 --> 00:45:46.480 like, Oh yeah, what's that, dude? Oh yeah, that's that's 612 00:45:46.480 --> 00:45:52.190 number. I can't pull up Cathie or fucking Angie or whatever, you know. 613 00:45:52.510 --> 00:45:55.309 Right. Yeah, it's now just like a number. Luckily I'm able 614 00:45:55.510 --> 00:46:00.909 to retain my parents phone number, my brother's cell phone number and my phone 615 00:46:00.949 --> 00:46:05.699 number. Let's see, only three, but those haven't changed. Imagine, 616 00:46:05.739 --> 00:46:07.940 if imagine if they change them every couple of years like people do nowadays. 617 00:46:09.179 --> 00:46:13.059 Then you just be like fuck, it'd be too much. But yeah, 618 00:46:13.139 --> 00:46:16.659 so I think you're right. Just our communic well, here's the thing. 619 00:46:16.699 --> 00:46:22.130 I think we used to be able to read minds and all kinds of crazy 620 00:46:22.170 --> 00:46:25.090 things, and I think when the industrial age came around, the Bronze Age, 621 00:46:25.170 --> 00:46:30.090 tools, all these things, and especially later with the printing press and 622 00:46:30.250 --> 00:46:35.239 knowledge and then computers, we've slowly started to think that, oh, that 623 00:46:35.400 --> 00:46:40.519 will help us replace our organic abilities. But it does not. It doesn't 624 00:46:40.559 --> 00:46:45.159 at all. It's stupid. It's almost as life. We used to be 625 00:46:45.199 --> 00:46:50.789 able to fly and read minds and now we're stuck staring at plastic screens, 626 00:46:51.989 --> 00:46:55.909 Yep, Yep, and I'm not joking, I mean I'm I'm not socializing 627 00:46:57.070 --> 00:47:00.110 like we used to. Don't even know how. All we know how to 628 00:47:00.190 --> 00:47:02.420 socialize us through a plastic now we don't even know. Take the plastic away 629 00:47:02.579 --> 00:47:07.179 between us, whether it's clear sneeze shield at CVS or whether it's this clear 630 00:47:07.260 --> 00:47:12.739 plastic shield here between you and me and different states on the Internet, and 631 00:47:12.940 --> 00:47:15.730 we don't know how to interact with people with there's no plastic between us. 632 00:47:15.409 --> 00:47:20.329 I mean the only cool thing right now for technology is what we're doing right 633 00:47:20.369 --> 00:47:23.409 now, for example, you know, being able to well, here's this 634 00:47:23.610 --> 00:47:29.010 tons of cool stuff. You sure have conversations. Yeah, I mean I 635 00:47:29.130 --> 00:47:30.880 was talking to somebody else about this, like we're in this shit age of 636 00:47:30.960 --> 00:47:36.119 technology. We're like the experimental age where she just doesn't work. It's clunky. 637 00:47:36.719 --> 00:47:39.400 In the future, we're talking forty or fifty years, that'll be great. 638 00:47:39.440 --> 00:47:44.309 Technology will read our mind, it will actually serve humanity. Right now 639 00:47:44.469 --> 00:47:46.710 we're just on that. None. Yeah, it's not serving us. Where 640 00:47:46.750 --> 00:47:52.389 the Guinea Pigs? We're testing all these fucking Beta to we're basically the Beta 641 00:47:52.469 --> 00:47:55.510 test generation. We're testing all of this shit and it's clunky. Half the 642 00:47:55.590 --> 00:48:00.619 people don't use it. There's no standards. Shit don't work all the time. 643 00:48:00.940 --> 00:48:04.420 There's no tech support. So we're living in the shit age of technology. 644 00:48:05.019 --> 00:48:07.619 There's some cool stuff out there, but not compared to fifty years from 645 00:48:07.659 --> 00:48:10.260 now, not by a long shot. People will laugh at us. In 646 00:48:10.380 --> 00:48:14.929 fifty years people look back and said, you get to use a keyboard on 647 00:48:14.969 --> 00:48:22.250 a computer what? You drove your own cars. That's crazy. You know, 648 00:48:22.250 --> 00:48:29.360 I heard a really good analogy yesterday about time traveling. It was like 649 00:48:30.480 --> 00:48:36.880 our aliens, you know, these aliens that have been seen? Are Those 650 00:48:37.079 --> 00:48:40.630 the time travelers? Those are us, those are us from the future. 651 00:48:40.630 --> 00:48:46.829 Yes, there is nothing but us, and aliens they talk about are just 652 00:48:46.909 --> 00:48:50.989 variance of what we are, if you want to call it human or whatever. 653 00:48:51.070 --> 00:48:54.710 But the humans morphed throughout infinity. So yes, we morph into those 654 00:48:54.739 --> 00:48:58.659 things in the future and those things come back to try to warn us about 655 00:48:58.739 --> 00:49:05.539 shit exactly. Or is our time travel just does not exist, because if 656 00:49:05.579 --> 00:49:07.579 it did, don't you think they'd be able to warn us about like, 657 00:49:08.219 --> 00:49:10.809 Oh, yeah, I guess you guys didn't blow up the world yet because 658 00:49:12.889 --> 00:49:15.489 we're not. Well, they's coming back to warn us. They do warn 659 00:49:15.570 --> 00:49:21.170 us, but they warn, but are they? They warn people who then 660 00:49:21.250 --> 00:49:24.519 get shut down by the powers that be, like the inherent evil forces on 661 00:49:24.639 --> 00:49:30.280 earth try to intercept those messages and if they can't intercept them, they'll paint 662 00:49:30.280 --> 00:49:34.840 them as conspiracy theorists and cooks. So we'll never get the true message. 663 00:49:34.880 --> 00:49:39.230 But it seems sort well have people are the ones that actually have the shall 664 00:49:39.309 --> 00:49:43.309 we say, antenna. For these people, I think they're on the right 665 00:49:43.469 --> 00:49:49.710 track. They just don't have the resources to be incredible. Yep, like 666 00:49:50.110 --> 00:49:54.300 obviously a tinfoil has silly. But the idea that there's extra energy floating around 667 00:49:54.340 --> 00:49:59.900 and in the universe that comes through everything. Well, photons will come right 668 00:49:59.900 --> 00:50:01.539 through alone them to so I don't know what they're trying to protect themselves from 669 00:50:02.260 --> 00:50:07.130 anyway, because there's most the energy in the universe will come straight through me, 670 00:50:07.769 --> 00:50:12.449 my desk, to Earth, China, everything right now just passed through 671 00:50:12.489 --> 00:50:15.650 all of us instantly. MMM, how do we capture that? How do 672 00:50:15.730 --> 00:50:20.210 we hop a ride on that? How do I disintegrate myself into Proto Art 673 00:50:20.449 --> 00:50:23.880 photons and just hop a ride on light and go somewhere else? I got 674 00:50:23.920 --> 00:50:27.519 a steady signs for that. My friend. We used to know how to 675 00:50:27.599 --> 00:50:32.360 do this. This is the thing. Whatever way, too, I want 676 00:50:32.440 --> 00:50:40.550 to say that Silicon Valley definitely is touching into alien technology, because what is 677 00:50:40.670 --> 00:50:46.710 this smartphone thing that came about at just the one time? I think they're 678 00:50:46.750 --> 00:50:52.820 just a bunch of middleman that inserted unnecessary technology between us and our creator. 679 00:50:52.860 --> 00:51:00.340 Unnecessary layer of silicone, if you will, still a con sorry, that 680 00:51:00.460 --> 00:51:04.449 doesn't need to be there. If we take away the whole layer of technology, 681 00:51:05.329 --> 00:51:07.889 we will be equally in touch with the rest of the universe as we 682 00:51:08.050 --> 00:51:14.050 ever were. But think of it this way. To Silicon Valley had one 683 00:51:14.130 --> 00:51:19.760 of the biggest defense contractor companies. Yeah, on the West Coast. No, 684 00:51:20.039 --> 00:51:24.440 it's just an entirely industry of ship humanity doesn't need because it's based on 685 00:51:24.679 --> 00:51:29.760 constructs. Silicon Valley makes his money off war. Well, we don't need 686 00:51:29.840 --> 00:51:32.110 war. It's a human idea. It's just a construct. Human Silicon Valley 687 00:51:32.110 --> 00:51:35.789 and makes this idea on the idea that we need to communicate better. But 688 00:51:35.949 --> 00:51:39.230 we communicate just fine before, in the days of the titans and the and 689 00:51:39.389 --> 00:51:45.949 the gods. Right now. Think of it this way, though. I 690 00:51:49.420 --> 00:51:54.860 social media to me is what was what I called the downfall is just like 691 00:51:55.019 --> 00:52:00.610 a it's like a Shitty fucking old ass fishing that just stuck in the river, 692 00:52:00.650 --> 00:52:09.250 or something of yourself that you're that you're you're you're actually inputting the informations 693 00:52:09.449 --> 00:52:13.969 in. Some call it up a premulation of yourself. I'll call the presentation 694 00:52:14.289 --> 00:52:17.559 of yourself. Yeah, because it's not simulating you at all, it's only 695 00:52:17.639 --> 00:52:22.440 simulating the parts of you that you choose to present. So right, it's 696 00:52:22.480 --> 00:52:28.199 a presentations people out there that want to just show them everything about themselves, 697 00:52:28.239 --> 00:52:32.070 and then now there's not not even that they it. It's very carefully curated, 698 00:52:32.150 --> 00:52:37.670 quote unquote, everything to look quote unquote, authentic, but it's all 699 00:52:37.750 --> 00:52:42.469 bullshit really. HMM, that's that's what's fuck up. Saying is is some 700 00:52:42.630 --> 00:52:46.980 of the technology that is come out for computers. Like before the whole social 701 00:52:47.019 --> 00:52:52.500 media thing, I was happy just text are. What was it? Instant 702 00:52:52.579 --> 00:52:57.579 messaging. I had no problem with the instant messaging and, you know, 703 00:52:57.739 --> 00:53:01.730 sharing links or whatever through emails. I didn't need a facebook or a my 704 00:53:01.929 --> 00:53:06.329 space or a you know, whatever else is that. It's like the whole 705 00:53:06.369 --> 00:53:08.650 thing with instagram. Everything is like, let's stare at the screen with stare 706 00:53:08.650 --> 00:53:14.679 at pictures and then give our reactions it. Did you ever write a secret 707 00:53:14.840 --> 00:53:20.800 love letter to a girl you had a crush on in school? Did I 708 00:53:21.199 --> 00:53:22.920 do? Yeah, I'm pretty sure I did. Dude. That's one to 709 00:53:23.199 --> 00:53:25.760 me. That's old school right there, Dude. I remember that. That 710 00:53:27.119 --> 00:53:29.710 was fun and that was risky. Man, when you're like in fifth or 711 00:53:29.750 --> 00:53:31.789 sixth grade and you got the balls and the work, it up to the 712 00:53:31.949 --> 00:53:37.590 gumption, the courage, the audacity to write a letter, to tell some 713 00:53:37.869 --> 00:53:42.059 girl, the hottest girl in the class, like hey, your secret admire 714 00:53:42.380 --> 00:53:45.179 Lah, Blah Blah. Also to write it, not present it to her. 715 00:53:46.619 --> 00:53:51.739 That's as far Scot for me. My most embarrassing thing was that I 716 00:53:51.900 --> 00:53:57.690 wrote I love you, Paula on my drumstick and I did not sign it. 717 00:53:58.889 --> 00:54:00.170 I think I put hot eyes on it, though. The name of 718 00:54:00.289 --> 00:54:06.130 my man's shot hot nice. I'm sixth grade, okay, come on. 719 00:54:07.210 --> 00:54:12.559 So hot ice, dude, reminds you I graduated when I was sixteen, 720 00:54:13.400 --> 00:54:15.599 so it's sixth grade. I had to be in like ten. Okay, 721 00:54:15.840 --> 00:54:19.880 that's just hot ice is dope. Dude. That's a great name. The 722 00:54:20.000 --> 00:54:22.199 logo you see to seeing the I it was a ice cube on fire. 723 00:54:22.960 --> 00:54:27.909 That's like fire and ice. It's better. It's hot eyes. It's like 724 00:54:28.070 --> 00:54:36.869 sexual chocolate is good shit. So hot ice your new nickname, man, 725 00:54:36.989 --> 00:54:42.579 John, hot ice lily. All right, she got it, I got 726 00:54:42.860 --> 00:54:46.579 for you. So I put this drumstick on Paula's door, the pretty girl 727 00:54:47.099 --> 00:54:52.460 in the neighborhood and in my class. I get to class, that particular 728 00:54:52.539 --> 00:54:57.409 class, like third period. The next day there's the kind of peppermint patty 729 00:54:57.690 --> 00:55:04.849 like butch kind of girl who's nose Paula. She's all like, you know, 730 00:55:05.050 --> 00:55:07.800 she doesn't even like you, John Lily. Aren't you in that band? 731 00:55:07.880 --> 00:55:15.679 Hot Ice? Like fuck, this is sixth grade, mind fucking sixth 732 00:55:15.760 --> 00:55:21.429 grade. I was fucking humiliated. I didn't know about cutting cutting class yet, 733 00:55:21.469 --> 00:55:25.670 right, but I learned real quick after that about cutting class. I 734 00:55:25.789 --> 00:55:30.949 was so fucking humiliated. Like me and a good friend, we shared a 735 00:55:31.070 --> 00:55:35.710 crush on a girl and we used to have what we're called, I'm not 736 00:55:35.780 --> 00:55:42.659 going to say your name, but Blah Blah Blah attacks, and I can't 737 00:55:42.820 --> 00:55:46.579 really re call what it is we did, but we would just like look 738 00:55:46.619 --> 00:55:50.090 at each other and go, we're having a blah, blah blah attack. 739 00:55:51.090 --> 00:55:55.489 To and yeah, I don't I I'm trying to remember what the fuck it 740 00:55:55.769 --> 00:56:00.250 was. But yeah, dude, she was a hotty. Oh my God. 741 00:56:00.769 --> 00:56:05.199 And here's what cybronic about this whole thing. I had a crush on 742 00:56:05.360 --> 00:56:07.840 her then never had the balls to ask her out because, you know, 743 00:56:07.960 --> 00:56:13.159 you had that whole thing like she's not gonna like me, Blah, blah, 744 00:56:13.159 --> 00:56:15.480 blah. So the self esteem wasn't there, but dyed. Fast forward 745 00:56:17.559 --> 00:56:24.829 round Shin years later we met up, I think it was at the five 746 00:56:24.869 --> 00:56:30.269 year reunion, and she was kind of a college hippie chick kind of thing, 747 00:56:30.309 --> 00:56:36.659 and I was starting to do my concert stuff and, you know, 748 00:56:36.900 --> 00:56:38.820 just out of the Blue I told her I was like yeah, you know, 749 00:56:38.860 --> 00:56:44.260 I'm going to go tape the there's like a free benefit going on its 750 00:56:44.260 --> 00:56:47.809 city hall that has the cult playing and Bonnie raid and it was free, 751 00:56:47.969 --> 00:56:51.010 and I said I'm going to tape it. You want to come along? 752 00:56:51.090 --> 00:56:54.289 She's like yeah, that'd be awesome. So she came along and, Oh 753 00:56:54.369 --> 00:56:59.010 my God, dude, she just stirred up feelings again and me and and 754 00:56:59.130 --> 00:57:00.920 then I revealed her. I was just like, you know, Adina, 755 00:57:01.039 --> 00:57:07.000 I used to have a fucking crush on you back in sixth grade but never 756 00:57:07.119 --> 00:57:13.880 had the balls to say Shit. And she kind of found that funny and 757 00:57:14.639 --> 00:57:22.030 it didn't really go anywhere after that. Nice, but yeah, that's and 758 00:57:22.190 --> 00:57:28.110 then a fast forward to what was it, the twenty year we yeah, 759 00:57:28.150 --> 00:57:32.420 I think it was the twenty year reunion. And and she is our class 760 00:57:32.539 --> 00:57:39.940 president and she married a dude and the dude was at the reunion and I 761 00:57:40.059 --> 00:57:44.179 saw him in the back in the bathroom while I was washing my hands, 762 00:57:44.889 --> 00:57:46.690 and I said, I'm all hate dude. I'm just going to level with 763 00:57:46.809 --> 00:57:49.929 you right now because I got to get this out. I go, I 764 00:57:50.170 --> 00:57:54.250 used to have a big crush on your wife and you told me, told 765 00:57:54.329 --> 00:58:00.280 her husband this at the fucking classroom night. Yeah, in the bathroom and 766 00:58:00.920 --> 00:58:06.239 Gary and he goes, he goes, Oh really, and I go yeah, 767 00:58:06.280 --> 00:58:08.159 Dude, she was. She was a hotty. You're lucky guy. 768 00:58:08.320 --> 00:58:15.630 Congratulations, I'm jealous. And that's pretty much all it was left at all. 769 00:58:15.630 --> 00:58:20.349 Right then, well, that's fantastic. Maybe we should just leave it 770 00:58:20.349 --> 00:58:25.190 at that. So noon tomorrow central time, we'll be here a little earlier 771 00:58:27.179 --> 00:58:31.179 and come nude will also get Jacob in here to talk about his podcast. 772 00:58:31.260 --> 00:58:37.699 Cool, cool, okay, so that means ten. What the fuck is 773 00:58:37.780 --> 00:58:44.570 going on on tears? Nine hundred and thirty for me. So sure you 774 00:58:44.650 --> 00:58:47.449 want know? Are we starting at noon or are we going to start a 775 00:58:47.489 --> 00:58:51.530 little earlier and then your guests is going to be at noon? I don't 776 00:58:51.570 --> 00:58:59.519 remember. What was it our due yes, the second one. So we 777 00:58:59.599 --> 00:59:02.719 are starting at now. Okay, Jacobs coming noon and we're starting early. 778 00:59:05.159 --> 00:59:07.880 Right. So what I'm saying is, do I get on at thirty, 779 00:59:07.880 --> 00:59:12.949 quarter two? What time you can come on? ADS WHAT I don't know 780 00:59:12.989 --> 00:59:15.309 if you want to come on a half an hour early or fifteen minutes earlier. 781 00:59:15.309 --> 00:59:20.989 You tell me and then I'll pass that on to becky. Half an 782 00:59:21.030 --> 00:59:22.829 hour sounds fine, because we like to digress a lot and we should get 783 00:59:22.869 --> 00:59:27.659 that out of our system before Jacob comes on. Good idea, and thirty 784 00:59:27.659 --> 00:59:31.139 it is. Okay, I'll see you then. And for all you people 785 00:59:31.139 --> 00:59:36.300 still listening, we appreciate you and listen to tomorrow noon. You could also 786 00:59:36.420 --> 00:59:39.650 go to Emo Dojo DOT ORG and chat with us, and I'm also going 787 00:59:39.730 --> 00:59:44.250 to I think I'm going to live stream my camera from my studio, just 788 00:59:44.409 --> 00:59:49.250 my side of the audio, to the facebook so if you want to hear 789 00:59:49.530 --> 00:59:52.090 or watch that, go for it, but to hear the whole thing you're 790 00:59:52.090 --> 00:59:54.440 gonna have to subscribe to our Goddamn podcast, like you're supposed to write. 791 00:59:54.440 --> 00:59:59.159 Hmmm, all right, then we're out of here.