Dilara shares that/ Cranial sacral massage/ Helps horses heal their trauma

WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:05.759 Hi, it's Johnny motion. Welcome back to Emo Dojo today. On this 2 00:00:06.000 --> 00:00:13.830 signal jams, I'm going back to the UK. So the Laura, Laura 3 00:00:13.869 --> 00:00:16.910 Pataudi. Let me spell a couple of things here so you can look her 4 00:00:16.910 --> 00:00:21.190 up and I get started on your research, if you're into that, before 5 00:00:21.190 --> 00:00:24.339 we listen to her, so you can pull up her pages and things. 6 00:00:24.820 --> 00:00:31.059 Anyway, De Laura Pataudi turns out to be a best selling Amazon author on 7 00:00:31.219 --> 00:00:38.450 the topic of equine sacral cranial therapy. So equine means horses. Sacral cranial 8 00:00:38.570 --> 00:00:44.810 therapy has to do with the massaging of the skull bones and down your neck 9 00:00:45.009 --> 00:00:49.289 and your spine to relieve stress and, you know, fix your soul and 10 00:00:49.369 --> 00:00:53.840 those type of things. It's not esoteric as much as physiological. Some of 11 00:00:53.880 --> 00:00:58.520 these things sound like hippie magic. This particular thing is much more Canto Acu 12 00:00:58.640 --> 00:01:06.150 pressure and Chiropractic work. So we drop in the conversation here with the Laura 13 00:01:06.269 --> 00:01:08.430 and let me spell her name to its Das in David or D as in 14 00:01:08.430 --> 00:01:18.549 D Laura, D I Laar Ad Laura Pataudy, and that's p a t 15 00:01:18.900 --> 00:01:26.140 a U D I D Laura Pataudy. She's a specialist in equine sacral Cranio 16 00:01:26.219 --> 00:01:32.700 therapy and she lives on the South Western coast, the Jurassic coast, if 17 00:01:32.739 --> 00:01:37.969 you will, of England, England proper. So let's trap in and take 18 00:01:38.049 --> 00:01:44.129 a listen. So tell us your city and kind of try to locate us 19 00:01:44.170 --> 00:01:48.480 on a map the best you can. Okay. So if you are looking 20 00:01:48.480 --> 00:01:52.359 at a map of the UK, you have obviously it's an island, is 21 00:01:52.439 --> 00:01:57.840 semi triangular shape. You've got the south coast and where I am is if 22 00:01:57.879 --> 00:02:01.109 you again wire to draw ad a vertical line through the island, I am 23 00:02:01.510 --> 00:02:07.230 on the West, southwestern side of that line. So you've got essentially London, 24 00:02:07.390 --> 00:02:12.349 which is southeast of the UK, and then a few counties along you've 25 00:02:12.389 --> 00:02:15.740 got dorset, so it's kind of I'm just on the other side and mirroring 26 00:02:15.860 --> 00:02:19.939 London, so to speak, and then further along from me you have Devon 27 00:02:20.060 --> 00:02:23.740 and Cornwall and corn all is the very, very tip of the southwest point 28 00:02:23.860 --> 00:02:29.580 of the island. So actually that's geographically an idea. I hope that's clear. 29 00:02:29.860 --> 00:02:31.210 Yeah, very clear. So yeah, if I were to look at 30 00:02:31.250 --> 00:02:36.930 a map, your kind of a lower left England. Yes, lower left, 31 00:02:37.449 --> 00:02:40.729 but closer to the middle. Looking right now to mean then exactly then 32 00:02:40.810 --> 00:02:45.280 the very, very left, left left hand side. So, for example, 33 00:02:46.199 --> 00:02:49.479 the roads in England, especially where I am, they're very narrow country 34 00:02:49.520 --> 00:02:53.319 lanes. I mean we have like highways or motorys in or what you call 35 00:02:53.360 --> 00:02:57.800 them, where you are sure I will and but they're few and far between. 36 00:02:57.840 --> 00:03:00.870 The further south and the further to the periphery of the island you get. 37 00:03:01.030 --> 00:03:05.469 So to drive, for example, from me to the tip of Cornwall 38 00:03:05.909 --> 00:03:09.509 takes about nearly four hours, even though it's not actually relatively that far away. 39 00:03:09.550 --> 00:03:12.860 But that gives you a visual, I guess, a bit of a 40 00:03:13.699 --> 00:03:16.139 feeling of what it's like to travel through the country because it's such an old 41 00:03:17.180 --> 00:03:21.340 land. You know, it's starting old spirit of a place and in the 42 00:03:21.379 --> 00:03:23.780 roads really reflect that you're on. Are you on the coast itself? Are 43 00:03:23.780 --> 00:03:28.330 you want to like a port city or some kind of coastal city? Okay, 44 00:03:28.370 --> 00:03:34.210 so I live in a village about two to three minute drive from one 45 00:03:34.250 --> 00:03:37.530 of the most famous beaches in the world, which is called Turtledore, which 46 00:03:37.610 --> 00:03:39.930 is part of the Jurassic coast. So it's not the port city. It's 47 00:03:40.009 --> 00:03:46.639 literally I'm like nestled in a tiny, tiny collection of houses. Sounds lovely 48 00:03:46.719 --> 00:03:52.319 already too. I'll literally report it is amazing and I'm actually lucky because my 49 00:03:52.520 --> 00:03:57.629 space is it's right at the edge of the village, which I joined this 50 00:03:57.669 --> 00:04:01.110 facebook group the other day called which is were like women who lived at the 51 00:04:01.150 --> 00:04:03.789 edge of the village or something like that. Like yeah, it's okay, 52 00:04:04.030 --> 00:04:08.629 they have that is actually your village or or or of many of the different 53 00:04:08.629 --> 00:04:12.379 villages, many different village. So it's a type of personality. Yeah, 54 00:04:12.460 --> 00:04:15.939 yeah, type of like you know, stereotype. I love it. Yeah, 55 00:04:16.220 --> 00:04:19.779 that's fantastic. So if you live at the end of let's call it 56 00:04:19.860 --> 00:04:23.660 development, does so at some point, if you were to keep going along 57 00:04:23.660 --> 00:04:27.050 where you lived as it just kind of end and turn into nature, it's 58 00:04:27.089 --> 00:04:31.209 totally yeah, yeah, so if you if you go towards the ocean from 59 00:04:31.290 --> 00:04:36.170 me, I'm surrounded by about two thousand five hundred acres of farm land. 60 00:04:36.930 --> 00:04:42.399 So yeah, it's amazing. And so basically you have the village and then 61 00:04:42.399 --> 00:04:46.000 you keep going towards the coast past the village and it is just countryside and 62 00:04:46.120 --> 00:04:48.680 then you've got this beautiful Jurassic coast, which is, like I said in 63 00:04:48.720 --> 00:04:57.069 my email, like thirtyzero amazing years of kind of incredible rock formation. Yeah, 64 00:04:57.430 --> 00:05:02.189 the idea that something is that old and clearly UN untouched by development or 65 00:05:02.670 --> 00:05:06.779 construction or anything like that. It's almost though looking back in history in a 66 00:05:06.819 --> 00:05:13.019 way exactly, kind of like the way you mentioned when you go to certain 67 00:05:13.019 --> 00:05:15.100 parts of whales. You can't really describe it, but you feel it, 68 00:05:15.300 --> 00:05:19.420 and I think that's the feeling I would probably get at a beach like that. 69 00:05:20.339 --> 00:05:25.170 M All right, you're completely right. I think it's John. It's 70 00:05:25.250 --> 00:05:28.769 really that feeling of what I love about here is it's a very clean energy. 71 00:05:28.810 --> 00:05:30.769 Every time I go to the beach and I swim in the sea all 72 00:05:30.769 --> 00:05:35.759 the year around and it's like it's it can be completely wild and soft at 73 00:05:35.800 --> 00:05:43.279 the same time. I love and the coasters has this kind of magnetic cleansing 74 00:05:43.319 --> 00:05:46.000 energy about it. It's like you know, and people come from all over 75 00:05:46.079 --> 00:05:51.589 the world to visit this collection of beaches and it's interesting because it's in the 76 00:05:51.670 --> 00:05:55.829 summer it's, as you can imagine, like all the beautiful places in the 77 00:05:55.870 --> 00:06:00.069 world all on us all. It's really busy and at the same time. 78 00:06:00.389 --> 00:06:03.420 You know, me and some of the other locals will go like six in 79 00:06:03.459 --> 00:06:08.620 the morning or last thing at night during the summer and that clean energy is 80 00:06:08.699 --> 00:06:13.180 still there, and I find that totally mind blowing because it's just I feel, 81 00:06:13.339 --> 00:06:15.980 always feel like I'm connecting to the essence of that place, like you 82 00:06:15.060 --> 00:06:21.129 said, of whenever formed. Yeah, and there must be some scientific basis 83 00:06:21.170 --> 00:06:25.689 for that too, because California has some areas that feel like that and I'm 84 00:06:25.689 --> 00:06:29.129 starting to wonder if it's just the nature of the way the the earth turns 85 00:06:29.170 --> 00:06:33.319 on its axis and the jet stream blows against the western coasts, so maybe 86 00:06:33.360 --> 00:06:39.839 it's constantly just slowly flushing out the the ions. For sure. Yeah, 87 00:06:39.839 --> 00:06:43.839 I think that that's that's that's a really important piece because at the end of 88 00:06:43.839 --> 00:06:46.680 the day, there are pockets that aren't like that, you know, and 89 00:06:46.839 --> 00:06:50.029 there's this kind of like more stami nation. Yeah, totally, and it's 90 00:06:50.069 --> 00:06:54.470 everything. Different craters live there and all sorts of things. We got into 91 00:06:54.509 --> 00:07:00.550 a conversation the other day at work about sand because my mom started collecting jars 92 00:07:00.589 --> 00:07:05.220 of sand from everywhere she travels and it's always amazing how different the sand is 93 00:07:05.379 --> 00:07:11.100 from your perception. Some of the most beautiful beaches have nearly gravel for sand. 94 00:07:11.220 --> 00:07:14.220 In some places, in the chromeest parts of the world, have nearly 95 00:07:14.459 --> 00:07:17.769 like talcum powder for sand. Tell us about the sand on your beach. 96 00:07:18.410 --> 00:07:25.490 Okay, so that's actually a really interesting point because so the three beaches that 97 00:07:25.490 --> 00:07:29.970 are closest to me, which all link together, they are not sand. 98 00:07:30.079 --> 00:07:36.399 They're actually pebbles, but they are these like tiny, tiny, perfect beautiful 99 00:07:36.720 --> 00:07:42.399 pebbles. I mean they would I think part of my conditioning as a woman 100 00:07:42.480 --> 00:07:45.990 living in England who wants to travel to white sandy beaches is oh, pebbly 101 00:07:46.029 --> 00:07:49.189 beach, that's not beautiful, but actually it's the opposite. It's like I 102 00:07:49.310 --> 00:07:51.589 think it's part of that cleansing en you, like I said, you know 103 00:07:51.670 --> 00:07:56.629 you when you sit on the pebbles or when you walk in and out of 104 00:07:56.670 --> 00:08:01.860 the ocean, you get that extra kind of exfoliating effect of the whole experience. 105 00:08:01.899 --> 00:08:05.180 Right. And Yeah, so they're beautiful and there's one tiny part of 106 00:08:05.660 --> 00:08:11.660 the very last beach which is sand, and that's more of a I would 107 00:08:11.660 --> 00:08:20.050 say it's more of a Gravelly, somewhere between gravel and talcum powder traditional. 108 00:08:20.089 --> 00:08:22.050 So a big scale but yeah, no, I'm imagining pretty well, because 109 00:08:22.050 --> 00:08:26.050 it sounds like the natural evolution from the small pebbles. I'm guessing half the 110 00:08:26.129 --> 00:08:30.639 size of your fingernail or something like that. Sighs. Yeah, yeah, 111 00:08:30.680 --> 00:08:33.399 they go and they'll range anywhere from I guess I get thumb print size. 112 00:08:33.559 --> 00:08:39.600 Sure too, fullhand. I'm apologize if this sounds weird, but these are 113 00:08:39.720 --> 00:08:41.389 interesting questions. They help me paint a picture in a lot of times people 114 00:08:41.909 --> 00:08:46.029 when they listen to podcast while they're driving and they actually have to think with 115 00:08:46.110 --> 00:08:48.750 their mind. So how do we describe a beach? So I feel that 116 00:08:48.909 --> 00:08:52.549 and they're like probably polished, smooth, like tiny little river rocks exactly. 117 00:08:52.629 --> 00:08:54.429 That's exactly it, and I think that's what's interesting is I have a river 118 00:08:54.509 --> 00:09:01.460 here on my property and the stones in the river are the jagged and rough. 119 00:09:01.620 --> 00:09:03.139 And you know, if I walk across the river and bad feet, 120 00:09:03.220 --> 00:09:07.700 it's with their feet. It's yeah, it's very impossible. Yeah, break 121 00:09:07.740 --> 00:09:11.850 your ankle just trying to avoid the books. Yeah, and but you know 122 00:09:11.049 --> 00:09:16.049 the beach they are. They are literally designed by the Ocean in this way 123 00:09:16.250 --> 00:09:22.850 that makes them smoother than you can imagine. Really it's like it's like getting 124 00:09:22.850 --> 00:09:26.559 into bed. Yeah, for sure, especially if the temperature is right. 125 00:09:26.639 --> 00:09:28.399 And they the kind that look like they've been tumbled in a rock tumbler. 126 00:09:28.840 --> 00:09:31.440 Totally. Yeah. Yeah, and those they make a great sound when you 127 00:09:31.440 --> 00:09:35.080 walk on those types of beaches too. It's a lot of fun. Yeah, 128 00:09:35.120 --> 00:09:37.480 if you lie in the water actually, when there's a bit of a 129 00:09:37.590 --> 00:09:41.990 current start a bit of a tide coming in and out, there's it's amazing 130 00:09:41.029 --> 00:09:46.070 audio effects that you get of you know, the relationship between the water and 131 00:09:46.190 --> 00:09:50.629 stones. Who I love it. There's something overrated about overly fine powdered sand 132 00:09:50.750 --> 00:09:54.259 to and that it gets in your trousers and your in bikinis and whatnot and 133 00:09:54.299 --> 00:09:58.100 it's really hard to get out of your clothes out of the car. I'm 134 00:09:58.139 --> 00:10:01.259 not knocking sandy beaches. I'm just saying those kind of beaches also have a 135 00:10:01.340 --> 00:10:05.659 great benefit with the with the smaller pebble rocks. Let's NEAT. Totally, 136 00:10:05.700 --> 00:10:07.970 especially for swimming in the middle of winter and you're trying to get changed and 137 00:10:09.049 --> 00:10:11.330 it's freezing and you don't want to sound all over you. It's kind of 138 00:10:11.370 --> 00:10:15.450 perfect, right, right. Tell me how big is your town? Like? 139 00:10:15.490 --> 00:10:20.250 How many people live in your village. Okay, so at the moment 140 00:10:20.809 --> 00:10:24.559 for about a hundred and fifty. Wow, that's nothing. That's hardly anybody. 141 00:10:24.559 --> 00:10:26.960 So you have you lived there a long time? I moved here on 142 00:10:28.080 --> 00:10:31.519 the thirty one of May, two thousand and eighteen. So no, but 143 00:10:31.840 --> 00:10:35.159 you know, that's not many people, though you probably know quite a handful 144 00:10:35.200 --> 00:10:37.470 of them by now. Yeah, I do. I mean I was interesting 145 00:10:37.590 --> 00:10:41.470 is because I live with my horses and because of what I do. I'm 146 00:10:41.470 --> 00:10:46.230 a writer and I do healing work with animals. So it's I mean they're 147 00:10:46.230 --> 00:10:48.669 traveling out to treat courses or I'm writing. So I actually lead quite a 148 00:10:48.710 --> 00:10:52.620 solitary life and at the same time, even if that's the case with anybody, 149 00:10:52.620 --> 00:10:56.019 you end up meeting people who that you're meant to me right, so 150 00:10:56.419 --> 00:10:58.539 of course, of course. Yeah. So there's definitely a lovely group of 151 00:10:58.580 --> 00:11:03.539 people in the village. So there's a that's a small village. Do have 152 00:11:03.779 --> 00:11:07.009 a local market in in the town area or do you have to travel down 153 00:11:07.009 --> 00:11:11.490 the road a bit to shop that? We definitely have to travel down the 154 00:11:11.490 --> 00:11:13.409 road a bit. So there's a there is a shop in the village which 155 00:11:13.570 --> 00:11:16.730 has it doesn't have a lot in it. There's a minimal amount here. 156 00:11:16.769 --> 00:11:20.879 There's kind of local pastries and things like that, which is great, but 157 00:11:20.000 --> 00:11:26.320 for vegetables and a bigger shop to really meet more needs. Yeah, we 158 00:11:26.399 --> 00:11:30.759 have to either drive about twenty five minutes or what I do is I actually 159 00:11:30.879 --> 00:11:37.549 get local food delivered. There's a delivery there's a farm called Riverford organics sure, 160 00:11:37.789 --> 00:11:43.070 and they produce box totally. They diliver food, fresh organic vegetables and 161 00:11:43.190 --> 00:11:46.590 fruit and everything all around the country and I've all around this part of the 162 00:11:46.629 --> 00:11:50.539 country and so they come every Wednesday and that usually ticks all of my boxes, 163 00:11:50.700 --> 00:11:52.860 but sometimes I need to drive. Yeah, that's great right. Yeah, 164 00:11:52.860 --> 00:11:54.820 it's really nice. That's very nice. It's one of those things that 165 00:11:54.860 --> 00:12:00.220 they just give you whatever is in season. I guess totally it's all seasonal, 166 00:12:00.299 --> 00:12:03.330 but you can go online and select, which is nice to so actually 167 00:12:03.370 --> 00:12:07.769 it's quite a comprehensive system that it's it's nice. If you just you don't 168 00:12:07.769 --> 00:12:09.529 know what you want, you can just choose the seasonal box and you're it's 169 00:12:09.610 --> 00:12:15.610 what I like about it is that you know you're eating in with the seasons 170 00:12:15.799 --> 00:12:18.840 first throughout the year, so your body is getting more of a natural my 171 00:12:18.919 --> 00:12:20.399 body, I feel, is getting more of a natural input. Yeah, 172 00:12:20.480 --> 00:12:24.279 she's into I would to save my own food. Yeah, that's great. 173 00:12:24.279 --> 00:12:28.320 That's like the idea of eating local honey's eating food that's in season from where 174 00:12:28.399 --> 00:12:30.870 you live. I love it totally. I would know. I was thinking 175 00:12:30.909 --> 00:12:33.230 of the horses. I was thinking, like if I've ever had left over 176 00:12:33.350 --> 00:12:37.070 food from a produce box and I had horses, I'd like, come on, 177 00:12:37.269 --> 00:12:39.309 horses, let's try what we have today. Yeah, for sure. 178 00:12:39.350 --> 00:12:43.509 I mean there are some things that horses can't eat, but usually that's exactly 179 00:12:43.509 --> 00:12:46.980 what I do. And actually even I have so I have a juice every 180 00:12:46.059 --> 00:12:50.740 morning and I take the pulp from the juice and I offer it to them 181 00:12:50.820 --> 00:12:52.419 so they can self select it if they want it. And Yeah, like 182 00:12:52.539 --> 00:12:56.460 if there's Beech Root and carrot and the CELERY and there, they're all over 183 00:12:56.539 --> 00:12:58.009 it. They love it, no kidding. And Yeah, is there? 184 00:12:58.570 --> 00:13:03.649 Are there? Have you determined anything that they do not like? Just anything 185 00:13:03.690 --> 00:13:09.090 that turned their nose at? It's actually a really good question. I often 186 00:13:09.129 --> 00:13:13.200 don't offer it to them because I know that they're not meant to eat it. 187 00:13:13.519 --> 00:13:16.639 Yeah, still kind of a treat. I mean yeah, stuff like 188 00:13:16.879 --> 00:13:24.120 Red Pepper, I noticed they don't like. And onions. Interesting. Yeah, 189 00:13:24.120 --> 00:13:24.919 I know, I would have thought they like it Sol because, you 190 00:13:26.000 --> 00:13:28.870 know, the blood cleansing. Okay, love garlic, for example, but 191 00:13:28.990 --> 00:13:33.309 onions isn't know I'm saying exactly. Tell me about your healing work that you 192 00:13:33.350 --> 00:13:37.149 do. Do you bring people out to the village and stay with you? 193 00:13:37.549 --> 00:13:41.860 And how does how like you're healing people, I assume when you're using horses 194 00:13:41.940 --> 00:13:45.299 to do the healing. So know, what I actually do is I'm an 195 00:13:45.340 --> 00:13:52.659 equine Corneo sacral therapist, so I treat the horses themselves. I yeah, 196 00:13:52.860 --> 00:13:56.210 it's really amazing work, John. I'm so lucky to be able to do 197 00:13:56.330 --> 00:13:58.970 this. It's I've been doing now for about eight years and I still feel 198 00:13:58.049 --> 00:14:03.769 like I'm, you know, a student of the horses. Really it's just 199 00:14:03.889 --> 00:14:07.889 incredible, such a big piece of art to work with too. So crainios, 200 00:14:07.490 --> 00:14:11.799 I'm not correct me if I say around Cranio Sacral, I believe is 201 00:14:11.799 --> 00:14:15.399 the right term. Right. Yeah, that's and so for what I recall 202 00:14:15.559 --> 00:14:20.159 just in my study of all things interesting is that's the basically the massaging of 203 00:14:20.279 --> 00:14:22.600 a head and knowing all the pressure points, kind of like reflexology in a 204 00:14:22.679 --> 00:14:26.350 sense, but in your head. Is that close, very, very close? 205 00:14:26.389 --> 00:14:31.870 Yeah, I love the fact you mentioned reflexology because it definitely touches or 206 00:14:31.990 --> 00:14:37.700 is relates closer to reflexology and acupuncture and osteopathy to say massage or anything that 207 00:14:37.860 --> 00:14:43.419 is more manipulative of the body. It's actually a Kranasacual is borne out of 208 00:14:43.500 --> 00:14:48.659 osteopathy. So does that join me to clarify that, or does that make 209 00:14:50.820 --> 00:14:52.529 that makes sense to me, but clarify a little more for our audience. 210 00:14:52.610 --> 00:14:56.409 They'd honestly don't know who listens. It's a bunch of crazy people listen to 211 00:14:56.490 --> 00:15:00.409 my show. So amazing. Okay, we love crazy people. I'm one 212 00:15:00.490 --> 00:15:07.159 of them. So right. So kranosacul itself is a very, very light, 213 00:15:07.919 --> 00:15:13.639 hands on technique used all over the body, but focusing on something called 214 00:15:13.679 --> 00:15:16.200 the core link, which is the relationship between the head and the pelvis through 215 00:15:16.279 --> 00:15:22.110 the spine. So what we believe and what's been proven time and time again, 216 00:15:22.230 --> 00:15:24.950 is that you know specific parts of the head, but the head in 217 00:15:26.110 --> 00:15:30.870 general mirrorsm will reflect what's happening with the spine and vite was happening with the 218 00:15:30.870 --> 00:15:35.149 pelvis and vice versa. So we work with something called a kranosacral system, 219 00:15:35.149 --> 00:15:39.860 which is just a very light movement within the body, and we are getting 220 00:15:39.899 --> 00:15:43.019 too technical from that point on with that's a generally word it is. So 221 00:15:43.100 --> 00:15:46.620 there's a lot of focus on the cranium, there's a lot of focus on 222 00:15:46.659 --> 00:15:50.889 the pelvis, but it's a whole body practice and a whole body modality and 223 00:15:50.730 --> 00:15:58.970 it's incredible. It's the type of work that really helps you realize how much 224 00:16:00.049 --> 00:16:06.519 can happen with a soft touch and how subtle the body can actually be. 225 00:16:07.480 --> 00:16:10.200 You know, because I think a lot of the time, I sure people 226 00:16:10.240 --> 00:16:12.159 want it hard and rough or like deep tissue and that sort of thing. 227 00:16:12.279 --> 00:16:17.200 But man, because when I had a partner, the my favorite thing when 228 00:16:17.320 --> 00:16:22.470 you would just like kind of absent mindedly scratch my shaved head like I was 229 00:16:22.549 --> 00:16:23.750 her pet cat or something. I never told her this, but I'm like 230 00:16:23.789 --> 00:16:26.750 a rare I mean I really like that feeling. I'm like, this is 231 00:16:26.950 --> 00:16:29.950 great, don't stop that, but I didn't want to say it because it 232 00:16:29.950 --> 00:16:32.899 seems kind of weird. But making man, that's there's something to that for 233 00:16:33.059 --> 00:16:36.220 sure. That's why I looked into it. Yeah, it's so funny that 234 00:16:36.259 --> 00:16:38.019 he said I love it, because my partner loves the same thing. He's 235 00:16:38.100 --> 00:16:42.340 just as soon as I touched his head, he's that's it ridiculously effective. 236 00:16:42.500 --> 00:16:48.610 It's yeah, so bad. It's worse than chocolate. Yeah, it's I 237 00:16:48.690 --> 00:16:52.450 think that. So what are you feeling for on any skull, but in 238 00:16:52.529 --> 00:16:56.929 particular you work with horses. But are you feeling for like veins or bloods, 239 00:16:56.929 --> 00:16:59.049 or do you know where the pressure points, where the nerves are like? 240 00:16:59.129 --> 00:17:02.879 What are you feeling for? So that's a pretty good question. I 241 00:17:02.960 --> 00:17:11.960 mean it's often it's actually a very, very non specific focus. So, 242 00:17:11.160 --> 00:17:14.920 for example, so like an energy healer, right, because I'm a friend. 243 00:17:14.920 --> 00:17:18.029 That's an energy so yours kind of like a dowsing stick of sorts. 244 00:17:18.069 --> 00:17:22.789 So you're a human dowsing stick in this sense. The Stop me if I'm 245 00:17:22.829 --> 00:17:26.950 being too crude, but I mean so you're literally feeling for the misalignments, 246 00:17:26.990 --> 00:17:30.779 let's call them. Totally. But I think there's a world like about this. 247 00:17:30.099 --> 00:17:33.460 Is that does there's a nice balance between, say, science and spirituality 248 00:17:33.539 --> 00:17:37.539 of side, the scientific element of it, and the energetic side, because 249 00:17:37.220 --> 00:17:41.380 we have we go through, especially with horses, because obviously, like humans, 250 00:17:41.420 --> 00:17:44.930 every horse is different and horses are ridden. So you know, you've 251 00:17:44.970 --> 00:17:51.369 got essentially buy mechanics and posture which are completely affected by another, either one 252 00:17:51.410 --> 00:17:53.930 other person or throughout their life. You know, hundreds of different people riding 253 00:17:53.970 --> 00:17:59.839 them, equipment, bits, tap shoes, like so many things, right, 254 00:17:59.839 --> 00:18:04.240 so so many external stimuli which affect their their wellbeing, and so there's 255 00:18:04.240 --> 00:18:07.519 a whole assessment that we go through first, which is looking at their posture, 256 00:18:07.839 --> 00:18:12.029 the way they move, also analyzing the head itself to look at our 257 00:18:12.109 --> 00:18:15.630 the eyes in line. It's so many different things. So there's a real 258 00:18:17.309 --> 00:18:21.470 like analysis first, which honestly doesn't take that long once you know we're looking 259 00:18:21.509 --> 00:18:25.309 forward. It's a very, very important piece because after that that's where you 260 00:18:25.390 --> 00:18:27.259 go in and you use, you know, with your intention and the energy 261 00:18:27.299 --> 00:18:32.019 work and the knowledge of the different handholds in the anatomy. That's where you 262 00:18:32.059 --> 00:18:37.220 go in and you focus essentially on brick helping that body to come back into 263 00:18:37.220 --> 00:18:41.490 a state of homeostasis and balance. But it's mainly through the energy is a 264 00:18:41.609 --> 00:18:44.970 huge piece the energy work. But you have to know you're anatomy. You 265 00:18:45.089 --> 00:18:48.569 have to be able to understand the relationship between the cranial bones and then different 266 00:18:48.609 --> 00:18:52.890 systems in the body. Yeah, that's that seems like the hard part right 267 00:18:52.930 --> 00:18:59.319 there, because how many bones are on a typical horsehead? Doesn't really that, 268 00:18:59.400 --> 00:19:03.200 probably does he? Yes, it's something that's twenty in total. I 269 00:19:03.240 --> 00:19:06.359 could be wrong, actually, any to that's a real question. Sure there's 270 00:19:06.400 --> 00:19:08.759 not like one or two bones like we assume the human skull is. There's 271 00:19:08.759 --> 00:19:12.390 like multiple parts and pieces. The jars. You do the job. I'm 272 00:19:12.390 --> 00:19:18.029 assuming that's yeah right, because that's really important moving part, really important part. 273 00:19:18.109 --> 00:19:19.589 We do that. I love the fact you mentioned the jaw, because 274 00:19:19.630 --> 00:19:23.109 the mandible the jaws, same with us. It's like one of the most 275 00:19:23.230 --> 00:19:27.140 important pattern setters in the body. So it like sets the trend for what's 276 00:19:27.140 --> 00:19:32.259 going on everywhere else. So, and especially because horses have such big jaws, 277 00:19:32.339 --> 00:19:36.019 they have bit, they have like changing teeth, like all this amazing 278 00:19:36.059 --> 00:19:38.289 stuff linked to the jaw and they're always grinding, because I think of people 279 00:19:38.450 --> 00:19:42.210 like humans with T MJ and I'm like wow, seems like the really common 280 00:19:42.289 --> 00:19:45.130 thing for a horse to have that but never to be able to tell a 281 00:19:45.250 --> 00:19:52.690 doctor about it exactly. And I think that that's where therapists, the body 282 00:19:52.769 --> 00:19:56.759 workers, whether it's cranny cycle therapy or anybody who has a really good knowledge 283 00:19:56.759 --> 00:20:00.680 base of the cranium and the movement within the head is going to be looking 284 00:20:00.720 --> 00:20:03.799 for signs. Like you know, is the matter? What's the range of 285 00:20:03.880 --> 00:20:07.269 movement? So in the jaw, for example, like, how are they 286 00:20:07.309 --> 00:20:10.269 eating? You don't mind that I'm asking any more about this than where you 287 00:20:10.349 --> 00:20:12.029 live right now, do you? Because this is super persons. Is Great. 288 00:20:12.109 --> 00:20:17.109 Yeah, I love this. So can you detect? Okay, so 289 00:20:17.190 --> 00:20:21.269 who brings you a horse? Are they pet so their former champions as studs? 290 00:20:21.309 --> 00:20:22.619 Are they race or like? What? What's the nature of the horses 291 00:20:22.660 --> 00:20:27.339 that you see? So at the moment it depends where I live, because 292 00:20:27.339 --> 00:20:30.579 I was living in Hampshire before, which is a county set further into the 293 00:20:30.660 --> 00:20:36.170 center of the country, and when I was sitting there I saw a lot 294 00:20:36.210 --> 00:20:40.289 of dress our horses. Jump at horses. It to dress out and jumping 295 00:20:40.450 --> 00:20:44.410 and racing and inventing. So, yeah, horses that were competing a lot. 296 00:20:44.930 --> 00:20:48.609 where I live now I treat a lot of people who, yes, 297 00:20:48.730 --> 00:20:52.839 they have their horses as pets, they take them out on Hacks, they 298 00:20:52.880 --> 00:20:55.720 may be do a bit of jumping here and there, but it's very low 299 00:20:55.759 --> 00:20:59.599 key. So, but they're performing horses and in a way it sounds like 300 00:20:59.640 --> 00:21:06.230 you're almost like a sports therapist for horses. I think that it's funny that 301 00:21:06.309 --> 00:21:11.349 you say that, because my perspective is really there's an element of, you 302 00:21:11.430 --> 00:21:12.910 know, I want to help bring the horse back into balance, but then 303 00:21:12.910 --> 00:21:19.339 there's an educational part where the owner, you know, not needs to realize 304 00:21:19.380 --> 00:21:22.819 that's a bit heart of a harsh way to say it, but the owner 305 00:21:22.859 --> 00:21:26.579 ends up realizing that, okay, their horse maybe was a bit more out 306 00:21:26.579 --> 00:21:30.420 of balance and they presumed sure, and so with the body work, then 307 00:21:30.500 --> 00:21:33.410 maybe they need to ride them less for a period of time. So it's 308 00:21:33.450 --> 00:21:37.009 less like, you know, say, a sports therapist for an athlete who's 309 00:21:37.009 --> 00:21:41.890 then going to go out and run immediately. He's going to write from again. 310 00:21:41.250 --> 00:21:47.759 No, it almost maybe a sports a sports therapist for child athletes whose 311 00:21:47.839 --> 00:21:52.480 parents are riding them too hard. That's kind of a good analogy. Yeah, 312 00:21:52.640 --> 00:21:55.240 that that's more accurate. Its going to take them back because they look, 313 00:21:55.319 --> 00:21:59.279 the Horse is fine, you're just abusing the poor guy. Lighten up 314 00:21:59.319 --> 00:22:03.710 a little bit totally. Yeah, well, that was that's why I started 315 00:22:03.750 --> 00:22:06.309 ask that line of question. I'm like, wow, if you're a healer, 316 00:22:07.029 --> 00:22:11.230 can't in the exchange when the the horse comes to you, invariably you 317 00:22:11.309 --> 00:22:15.630 meet the owner at some point. I was wondering like do you, do 318 00:22:15.670 --> 00:22:21.380 you ever detect abuse in a horse's history after you start working, because that 319 00:22:21.539 --> 00:22:25.779 screwed up and these start wondering like was this abuse come from the current possessor 320 00:22:25.940 --> 00:22:29.140 of this horse, or is it just abused as a baby? Or there's 321 00:22:29.140 --> 00:22:30.089 a lot that could come out through that kind of thing, and I'm like 322 00:22:30.210 --> 00:22:36.369 wow, I mean it's yes, there is that, and I think that 323 00:22:36.529 --> 00:22:41.849 what happens in the assessment phase is it's like when I go in with my 324 00:22:41.970 --> 00:22:44.759 crany sacral lends. I'm okay, what do I need to do? How 325 00:22:44.799 --> 00:22:48.680 do I to show up and provide and hold space for this horse through what 326 00:22:48.799 --> 00:22:53.640 I know in order to help it just feel more balance, because so many 327 00:22:53.680 --> 00:22:57.910 horses side a balance. That's the thing and it starts there the so that's 328 00:22:59.069 --> 00:23:02.710 really what I'm focusing on. Often, of course, I will meet the 329 00:23:02.750 --> 00:23:07.230 owner and the owner will often bring their emotions to the table because, of 330 00:23:07.470 --> 00:23:11.269 course, like I learned this in two thousand and thirteen when I first started 331 00:23:11.309 --> 00:23:18.140 practicing. For me, I personally believe and have felt that you cannot affect 332 00:23:18.220 --> 00:23:22.500 one without effecting the other and vice versa. They are so linked. Yep, 333 00:23:22.579 --> 00:23:25.140 the owner and the Horse, even if the owner is in the horses 334 00:23:25.180 --> 00:23:27.890 life all the time, there is an intrinsic connection between the human and the 335 00:23:27.970 --> 00:23:33.130 Horse which is undeniable. And so it's it's an energy thing, it's a 336 00:23:33.210 --> 00:23:36.529 mirror, it's a reflection, you know. Often. Yeah, of course, 337 00:23:36.650 --> 00:23:41.329 is really wild it because when you see these this could really be analogous 338 00:23:41.369 --> 00:23:45.680 to a parent child relationship the horse owner and the Horse, like we're because 339 00:23:45.680 --> 00:23:48.680 I'm just thinking all these times through I used to work with kids in a 340 00:23:48.720 --> 00:23:55.160 juvenile center kind of place and and that was the issue a lot of times. 341 00:23:55.160 --> 00:23:59.269 There was just a misalignment on the understanding of the roll of the Horse 342 00:23:59.309 --> 00:24:02.789 or the child in the relationship with the person that was supposed to care for 343 00:24:02.910 --> 00:24:08.069 them. Yeah, and it's interesting because I feel like with horses, first 344 00:24:08.069 --> 00:24:11.660 of well, yes, I completely agree with what you're saying, and with 345 00:24:11.779 --> 00:24:15.819 horses there's an element of a lot of owners will have horses, especially if 346 00:24:15.819 --> 00:24:19.500 they're not competing they'll have the horses because they need an escape, yeah, 347 00:24:19.539 --> 00:24:25.849 from their life and so and they might know that consciously, they might not. 348 00:24:26.410 --> 00:24:27.890 You know, it's it really depends on the person. Some people will 349 00:24:27.930 --> 00:24:32.329 completely comfortably say, yeah, this is my this is way from the rest 350 00:24:32.329 --> 00:24:34.690 of my life with my horse. But what that means is that of course 351 00:24:34.809 --> 00:24:38.720 all of their emotions and all of their baggage is actually entering the relationship with 352 00:24:38.759 --> 00:24:44.640 the horse. Now, that's not wrong, it's just we need to become, 353 00:24:44.680 --> 00:24:48.559 as humans, obviously much more conscious about what we're really feeling. And 354 00:24:48.920 --> 00:24:52.190 when we do that it's much easier to connect with horses, because their language 355 00:24:52.269 --> 00:24:56.190 is really is really all about emotions and all about shooting. That's how they 356 00:24:56.269 --> 00:25:00.950 connect and communicate. That's that's really amazing. Let Me Stop Right here just 357 00:25:00.029 --> 00:25:03.589 say Gary has entered our room. I don't know if you can see him 358 00:25:03.589 --> 00:25:06.990 down there. Hey, gary, I can't say hello. Hello. I 359 00:25:07.980 --> 00:25:11.019 apologize for my tardiness. I needed my sleep. LEEP. You got to 360 00:25:11.059 --> 00:25:14.500 echo going on over there, Gary? Yeah, I don't know why. 361 00:25:14.500 --> 00:25:18.059 I try so anyway. With the horses. This is interesting that you mentioned 362 00:25:18.099 --> 00:25:22.130 that, because I had a long relationship with horses, starting back when I 363 00:25:22.170 --> 00:25:26.849 was a kid, I had a friend who lived in the countryside and we 364 00:25:26.970 --> 00:25:30.890 used they had hunting horses, which I wasn't used to. I got to 365 00:25:30.930 --> 00:25:33.089 their house and they said we're going to go shoot guns on horseback and like 366 00:25:33.210 --> 00:25:38.160 that sounds nuts because I wasn't into guns and I had rid a horse. 367 00:25:40.119 --> 00:25:42.920 I just I knew I'd seen that kind of scenario on cowboy movies back in 368 00:25:44.039 --> 00:25:47.480 the black and white days, but I'm like what, that doesn't sound right. 369 00:25:47.519 --> 00:25:49.789 At any rate, I ended up not not shooting the gun because I 370 00:25:49.829 --> 00:25:52.430 liked my horse too much. They threw me on that like the old bessie 371 00:25:52.470 --> 00:25:56.029 kind of horse. It was a man male horse. It liked me, 372 00:25:56.109 --> 00:25:59.789 though, so we got long swimming Lee and it got to trotten with me 373 00:25:59.910 --> 00:26:03.230 and I would talk to it. And Yeah, they did. I don't 374 00:26:03.230 --> 00:26:08.539 think they liked the shooting bit at all, but anyway, so after that, 375 00:26:08.700 --> 00:26:12.259 the next time I got around a horse, I'm sorry, go ahead, 376 00:26:15.299 --> 00:26:18.250 then I go for a sorry, I think the the we had been 377 00:26:18.289 --> 00:26:22.329 of a cross over that. Yeah, so the next time I saw a 378 00:26:22.410 --> 00:26:26.730 horse again. Now I'm a roving teenager at this point, about sixteen, 379 00:26:26.970 --> 00:26:32.960 experimenting with the drugs and I was on some LSD and there's a horse near 380 00:26:33.039 --> 00:26:36.559 a field where I lived and I hung out with it for about twenty minutes. 381 00:26:36.599 --> 00:26:41.240 We just stared at each other's eyes and loved each other and, yeah, 382 00:26:41.279 --> 00:26:44.559 I felt a fully at peace, and I'm pretty sure he was, 383 00:26:44.640 --> 00:26:48.349 because it wasn't acting odd. You know, you probably thought, who's this 384 00:26:48.430 --> 00:26:51.630 weird person staring at me, but I don't know, I've always had a 385 00:26:51.710 --> 00:26:55.589 kind of interesting relationship with horses. But now that I think of I live 386 00:26:55.670 --> 00:26:57.390 in a place now where there's lots of horses and lots of cattle. It's 387 00:26:57.509 --> 00:27:03.859 Indian country in the middle of the United States, right, wow, exactly. 388 00:27:03.259 --> 00:27:07.099 It's police called Oklahoma, Oklahoma City, wow, yeah, and just 389 00:27:07.460 --> 00:27:11.500 it's cowboys everywhere. I'm not from here, so I'm a stranger in a 390 00:27:11.779 --> 00:27:15.529 really strange land to me, but there's plenty of happy horses running around. 391 00:27:15.769 --> 00:27:18.890 So I keep thinking of like, man, I'd like to have a place 392 00:27:18.970 --> 00:27:22.769 with the Horse, but having this conversation with you now, thinking will do. 393 00:27:22.890 --> 00:27:26.130 I because what would have happened for I guess as a pet in a 394 00:27:26.289 --> 00:27:29.210 really pretty yard, lots of stuff to do, but now I don't think 395 00:27:29.210 --> 00:27:32.319 I'd ever want to ride him unless I he gave me his permission. You 396 00:27:32.400 --> 00:27:34.319 know, I'd have to get a really giant horse to where my two hundred 397 00:27:34.359 --> 00:27:40.519 pounds doesn't really affect him, and ask his permission each morning. Hey Bob, 398 00:27:41.119 --> 00:27:42.559 would you mind ride today? And if he gives me the nod, 399 00:27:42.599 --> 00:27:45.670 I guess I would go. I would have a really weird relationship with horses 400 00:27:45.750 --> 00:27:52.509 from now moving forward. Amazing. I love everything he said to because is 401 00:27:52.549 --> 00:27:57.230 it's your question is so relevant to the industry and the of itself. Is 402 00:27:57.819 --> 00:28:02.299 Why? How, essentially, if we're going to have horses, how can 403 00:28:02.380 --> 00:28:06.619 we have them in our lives and enjoy them and also it be a kind 404 00:28:06.619 --> 00:28:11.299 of a symbiosis of okay, is the Horse happy too? Is The horse 405 00:28:11.380 --> 00:28:15.569 connected to me? The horses needs met in every way that it would be, 406 00:28:15.730 --> 00:28:17.569 you know, if it was in the wild, as you know, 407 00:28:17.609 --> 00:28:19.730 as much as possible. And there's this element of I used to ride it. 408 00:28:21.009 --> 00:28:22.890 That was what I did for a long time. I was a rider 409 00:28:22.329 --> 00:28:26.809 and then, cut a long story short, I stopped riding and I trained 410 00:28:26.849 --> 00:28:32.119 a Schronocycle therapist and and I had a crossover of okay, God, I'm 411 00:28:32.160 --> 00:28:33.160 still a ride. I really miss it, but I don't want to do 412 00:28:33.200 --> 00:28:36.440 it because I gu see all these horses are out of balance of them. 413 00:28:36.759 --> 00:28:37.519 What do I do about that? And, Oh my God, it's a 414 00:28:37.559 --> 00:28:41.150 conundrum inside me. So, anyway, what I learned, though, over 415 00:28:41.230 --> 00:28:45.630 the years is that there is such a deep connection to be had with an 416 00:28:45.750 --> 00:28:49.549 animal. I'm just going to horses in this instant. We're talking about horses, 417 00:28:49.589 --> 00:28:55.349 but it's with an animal when we choose to show up from a deeper 418 00:28:55.390 --> 00:29:00.380 place within ourselves, and that can look like anything. It can look like 419 00:29:00.539 --> 00:29:03.380 just going and sitting with an animals, tearing into its eyes, like you 420 00:29:03.500 --> 00:29:06.500 did, and feeling peace. It can look like, you know, taking 421 00:29:06.500 --> 00:29:08.980 your dog for walk every day and being mindful of your connection. It Cann't 422 00:29:10.009 --> 00:29:14.250 like anything, but that's really available for humanity. That's the thing, and 423 00:29:15.369 --> 00:29:18.849 it it works both ways. It's a win win, because animals are hit 424 00:29:18.890 --> 00:29:21.049 to connect with us, and the more we can connect with them, the 425 00:29:21.089 --> 00:29:23.289 will we understand them and so the more we can provide for them. And 426 00:29:25.359 --> 00:29:30.559 I do feel that what you're talking about in touching one is is amazing, 427 00:29:30.599 --> 00:29:33.000 because, in my opinion, the industry really needs to change, because these 428 00:29:33.079 --> 00:29:38.789 horses are abused and they all overused. And that again, is it's not 429 00:29:40.109 --> 00:29:41.710 right or wrong, it's just what's happened over the years. But it's not 430 00:29:41.750 --> 00:29:45.950 sustainable. That's the thing. It's yeah, well, and it's just not 431 00:29:45.150 --> 00:29:48.630 as humane as we could be. Once people know, once they hear a 432 00:29:48.750 --> 00:29:56.339 story like this, I would think kind human or humane person would double think 433 00:29:56.460 --> 00:29:59.500 everything, because now I'm thinking on down the line. How many other animals 434 00:29:59.579 --> 00:30:03.660 do we utilize as work, animals that don't necessarily want to work? Clearly 435 00:30:04.019 --> 00:30:08.609 many dogs like being around human companions, where they seem to and they seem 436 00:30:08.650 --> 00:30:12.170 to bide by their training just fine and they don't seem to be overworked. 437 00:30:12.569 --> 00:30:17.170 Police dogs and some fire dogs maybe get put into unnecessary danger, in my 438 00:30:17.250 --> 00:30:22.720 mind, but anyway. Like but now I'm like, is this even fair 439 00:30:22.799 --> 00:30:27.240 to put dogs into dangerous situations like send a German shepherd into a burning pile 440 00:30:27.279 --> 00:30:32.519 of rubble to sniff out humans? Is that? Yeah, it's great for 441 00:30:32.599 --> 00:30:36.269 humans, for sure, but is that? Is it the ethical thing to 442 00:30:36.309 --> 00:30:37.910 do just because we're on top of the food chain and figured out how to 443 00:30:37.950 --> 00:30:41.789 manipulate the other creatures? And that's the thing, is that at the end 444 00:30:41.829 --> 00:30:45.509 of the day, that's what I meant about becoming conscious, right. Yeah, 445 00:30:45.549 --> 00:30:48.230 when we become a where and when we weak, when we wake up 446 00:30:48.349 --> 00:30:53.619 to actually what we're doing emotionally, psychologically, everything, you know will will 447 00:30:53.819 --> 00:31:00.140 recognize those elements of, say, manipulation to get our needs met or just, 448 00:31:00.579 --> 00:31:03.690 you know, offloading our emotions or projecting or our perceptions or our belief 449 00:31:03.730 --> 00:31:08.250 systems or everything. The minute we start breaking those things down, you're just 450 00:31:08.410 --> 00:31:14.769 you. You access this part of yourself which is innately able to connect to 451 00:31:14.769 --> 00:31:18.359 an animal at a deeper level because you are prepared to witness yourself at a 452 00:31:18.400 --> 00:31:22.920 deeper level. And it's just a it's just an immediate reflection. I mean 453 00:31:22.960 --> 00:31:25.720 it's you know, if I have things that come up for me emotionally that 454 00:31:25.799 --> 00:31:29.920 I don't address, I'm with my horses every day, twice or three times 455 00:31:29.960 --> 00:31:33.829 a day. I connect with them every day and meditation and if I have 456 00:31:33.910 --> 00:31:37.309 stuff that I'm not addressing, they will let me know instantly and it just 457 00:31:37.630 --> 00:31:41.190 is a either a matter of time until I, you know, really wake 458 00:31:41.230 --> 00:31:45.829 up to what's going on and become mindful of it, or it'll happen straight 459 00:31:45.869 --> 00:31:48.940 away. But one way or another it's going to happen and that always enables 460 00:31:49.019 --> 00:31:52.700 me to hear them at a deeper level. Yeah, I think it's what 461 00:31:53.059 --> 00:31:56.220 you said just second to go to earlier about being present, that that's really 462 00:31:56.259 --> 00:32:00.059 where it all starts, isn't it? Just the acknowledge that that's not an 463 00:32:00.180 --> 00:32:04.289 object, that's a that's a creature like us. And I don't I mean 464 00:32:04.289 --> 00:32:06.970 I'm not even a hippie like you know what I mean. I'm a smoke 465 00:32:07.049 --> 00:32:09.049 some pot, but I'm not like a Hippie Tree Huger, necessarily guy. 466 00:32:09.049 --> 00:32:12.849 I'm just a regular dude. So I hope other people out there that are 467 00:32:12.930 --> 00:32:16.680 regular people can kind of move the move the notch a little bit forward and 468 00:32:16.799 --> 00:32:22.079 realize that we are all connected. If you want to go like teenage vibe, 469 00:32:22.160 --> 00:32:24.319 like Avatar, where the earth is connected to the trees and the people, 470 00:32:24.400 --> 00:32:28.039 I mean that Shit, that is the thing. That's what's really going 471 00:32:28.160 --> 00:32:32.230 on here, and I don't know, this audience on this particular show will 472 00:32:32.269 --> 00:32:36.869 definitely go along with this vibe, because we talked about these types of things, 473 00:32:36.910 --> 00:32:39.950 just things that, like are deeper than normal, pretty frequently. So 474 00:32:40.230 --> 00:32:44.900 I love this especially. I had a question in my mind, but now 475 00:32:44.940 --> 00:32:47.779 I forgot it because busy talk. You know, it's it's necessary. I 476 00:32:47.940 --> 00:32:52.940 feel like what we're talking about is it's just a necessary part of our awakening, 477 00:32:52.980 --> 00:32:55.140 end of the part of a part of life, you know, the 478 00:32:55.180 --> 00:32:58.420 end of the day. Like it right, it was part of life to 479 00:32:58.609 --> 00:33:00.970 that's what's really weird. A lot of people think, Oh, you guys 480 00:33:00.970 --> 00:33:04.569 are trying to be woke or hippies or, you know, metaphysical or whatever. 481 00:33:04.569 --> 00:33:07.130 I'm like, no, this is the way humans were like two hundred 482 00:33:07.170 --> 00:33:10.609 years ago before this fucking industrial revolution destroyed everything. We used to be. 483 00:33:10.809 --> 00:33:14.440 This way, we're just getting back to wait, where he baked, back 484 00:33:14.559 --> 00:33:19.359 to alignment totally, and I think that what comes to mind now is actually 485 00:33:19.359 --> 00:33:24.039 this element of, you know, we the the fact is is that we 486 00:33:24.319 --> 00:33:29.950 have a huge range within us, like you know, in terms of being 487 00:33:30.109 --> 00:33:35.430 connected or disconnected. You can go from me feeling completely disconnected and completely alone 488 00:33:35.470 --> 00:33:38.869 and completely whatever, you know, not in touch with life for yourself, 489 00:33:39.190 --> 00:33:44.019 to the other end of the spectrum, and you know where you feel connected 490 00:33:44.059 --> 00:33:45.819 to every everything, to nature, your animals, yourself, your family. 491 00:33:45.859 --> 00:33:49.779 I mean literally every day, all the time, you're present, and that's 492 00:33:49.819 --> 00:33:53.259 such an expansive state and because we have that range in my mind and thinking, 493 00:33:53.380 --> 00:33:59.450 well, you know, are we meant to be then in that state 494 00:33:59.849 --> 00:34:04.690 more often, because we can enter it, like you know? And yes, 495 00:34:04.809 --> 00:34:07.809 it's how humans used to be. It's also how we never lost it 496 00:34:07.130 --> 00:34:10.440 really, just we covered it a member. Yeah, we covered up with 497 00:34:10.599 --> 00:34:15.360 the gadgets and things that attract our attention in other ways. So yeah, 498 00:34:15.440 --> 00:34:22.639 that attentiveness thing. Man. So when how do you get work? Do 499 00:34:22.679 --> 00:34:24.909 you it's the village isn't big enough to support you? Do you get on 500 00:34:25.070 --> 00:34:30.349 the Internet and like promote your services? I do, so I have have 501 00:34:30.510 --> 00:34:37.230 my website and I'm on instagram and Facebook, and I'm also on Google. 502 00:34:37.230 --> 00:34:39.860 As you know, somebody types in equine crany sake of therapist in my area, 503 00:34:39.900 --> 00:34:45.179 they're going to find me. So I'm on line and I also get 504 00:34:45.300 --> 00:34:49.659 clients through word of mouth, which I love, because I love both ways. 505 00:34:49.780 --> 00:34:53.690 But I do find that very a very grounded, kind of natural flow 506 00:34:53.929 --> 00:34:57.489 to follow, you know, when somebody just says you know, because then 507 00:34:57.530 --> 00:35:02.210 that person's actually had an experience of you don't have to criteria or yeah, 508 00:35:02.690 --> 00:35:07.800 and you don't have to get past the hippie thing, the like crystals and 509 00:35:07.920 --> 00:35:10.800 magic thing. Right. Well, you mean in terms of I would have 510 00:35:10.880 --> 00:35:14.519 to explain that. That's what's you know what I'm saying. I'm not saying 511 00:35:14.559 --> 00:35:17.800 that derisively. I say because I'm into like everything and sometimes when I approach 512 00:35:17.880 --> 00:35:22.750 certain topics I get the eye roll that Oh, you're you're what, and 513 00:35:22.789 --> 00:35:25.829 I'm like a healer. So I'm like, I think when you get word 514 00:35:25.829 --> 00:35:30.070 of mouth, they're already into the healing, they're already really into their horses 515 00:35:30.110 --> 00:35:34.710 to the point where they're looking for help, and I think those are probably 516 00:35:34.750 --> 00:35:38.059 great leads to yeah, actually, what you touched on is a really interesting 517 00:35:38.300 --> 00:35:45.300 topic in terms of the use of the word healer and the association that we 518 00:35:45.659 --> 00:35:51.449 currently have with that, in terms of it not being again like this element 519 00:35:51.530 --> 00:35:57.849 of it not being scientific or provable or whatever, you know. And but 520 00:35:58.050 --> 00:36:01.050 in terms of you to ask your question. Yes, I mean it's where 521 00:36:01.050 --> 00:36:06.920 I like about carnosacral as well as that. It is we have that anatomical 522 00:36:07.159 --> 00:36:10.159 very yeah, that's hard science. There are there are muscles there, Nerlia 523 00:36:10.360 --> 00:36:15.000 and there are veins going through there and they all carry energy that's been measured 524 00:36:15.079 --> 00:36:21.670 by science. So yeah, and it's U it's interesting because a lot of 525 00:36:21.710 --> 00:36:25.590 the ghost side treat I'm actually the last point of call, which I do 526 00:36:25.710 --> 00:36:30.269 always find fascinating, where you know there's an issue, a physical issue with 527 00:36:30.309 --> 00:36:32.380 the Horse, where they've called the Bat, they've got the back person, 528 00:36:32.500 --> 00:36:36.659 the Physio, the car practice. Honey, gotta try the Western Medicine First, 529 00:36:36.780 --> 00:36:43.019 try poo. My Dog's gonna Bout. Somebody comings the door. I'm 530 00:36:43.059 --> 00:37:01.199 just gonna let that. That meant one second the girl. I'll just listen. 531 00:37:01.800 --> 00:37:07.400 Cool, Hey, okay, so we've got puppies too. How? 532 00:37:07.480 --> 00:37:10.719 Yeah, I have a dog, Nyla. She's amazing. Is it like 533 00:37:10.760 --> 00:37:14.599 a healer type of dog? Oh my God, you hit the nail on 534 00:37:14.719 --> 00:37:19.070 the head. She is a complete out of the seven of us, like 535 00:37:19.190 --> 00:37:22.670 my five horses, me and her, she is the healer. She is 536 00:37:22.750 --> 00:37:27.070 the one. Yeah, she is. Honestly, it's what everybody says. 537 00:37:27.150 --> 00:37:30.260 She'll just jump into your lap and provide you with what you need without yeah, 538 00:37:30.340 --> 00:37:35.260 it's incredible. She just puts my mind so great. Yeah, I 539 00:37:35.340 --> 00:37:37.699 got I'm trying to figure out how to get back to your town. Do 540 00:37:37.780 --> 00:37:42.340 you how do the people in your town think of you, or did you 541 00:37:42.460 --> 00:37:45.210 just you just is it a small a village to wear just doesn't matter. 542 00:37:45.250 --> 00:37:46.650 It's like, Oh, we all do our own weird things. No, 543 00:37:47.010 --> 00:37:52.130 it's the complete opposite. I am definitely like, you know, the tree 544 00:37:52.170 --> 00:37:59.840 hugging, Crystal Intense Burning Horse Talker, you know, crazy lady at the 545 00:37:59.880 --> 00:38:01.639 end of the village, and I'm actually about half the age of everybody who 546 00:38:01.639 --> 00:38:06.679 lives in the village, even a better. So you're some new hippie that 547 00:38:06.760 --> 00:38:09.320 talks to horses. I love it. Yeah, it's a really interesting experience 548 00:38:09.360 --> 00:38:13.110 for me next week. Well, it's funny because, like, you could 549 00:38:13.150 --> 00:38:17.710 flippantly say she talks to horses, but really you're doing reflexology on their skulls, 550 00:38:17.789 --> 00:38:21.909 which is something that's that's the part I don't understand, where people just 551 00:38:21.949 --> 00:38:25.789 kind of detach themselves from real science and try to layer it with their own 552 00:38:25.869 --> 00:38:30.139 preconceived notions about it, what I like to call unproven science. I think 553 00:38:30.219 --> 00:38:35.860 all the things that people talk smack about nowadays will eventually be proven. Again, 554 00:38:37.099 --> 00:38:40.690 we just can't test now, even if you like. I've done episodes 555 00:38:40.690 --> 00:38:47.449 about people who feel electro magnetic frequencies tinfoil hat type of people. I'm not. 556 00:38:47.530 --> 00:38:52.050 I mean it's kind of funny to me because I don't have that condition 557 00:38:52.090 --> 00:38:53.769 right. I'm just kind of an asshole and things that don't affect we don't 558 00:38:53.809 --> 00:38:57.840 affect me. But I hold it out there that they might actually be more 559 00:38:57.880 --> 00:39:00.000 sensitive than everybody else and we just haven't been able to prove it yet. 560 00:39:00.039 --> 00:39:05.159 So for sure, and so that's why I think talking to horses is not 561 00:39:05.559 --> 00:39:07.639 weird at all. Yeah, and you know, it's interesting because that's the 562 00:39:07.760 --> 00:39:14.230 thing it's most of the time, when I tell people that that's what I 563 00:39:14.349 --> 00:39:17.909 do, they that's this level of acceptance, almost as though they want to 564 00:39:19.110 --> 00:39:23.070 be part of that train of thought, which is very interesting because again, 565 00:39:23.230 --> 00:39:25.739 to me what that highlights is, okay, people, at the end of 566 00:39:25.780 --> 00:39:30.260 the day, deep down what we really want is connection, and it feels 567 00:39:30.500 --> 00:39:34.579 so good to be able to say, Oh, yeah, I completely know 568 00:39:34.619 --> 00:39:37.179 we're talking about all the OPOSITE, to be able to at least be curious, 569 00:39:37.179 --> 00:39:38.809 to say, Hey, can you tell me about that so that I 570 00:39:38.889 --> 00:39:43.849 can connect with what you're saying. And then, you know, I have 571 00:39:44.050 --> 00:39:46.969 met a few people who absolutely just they don't get it at all, which 572 00:39:47.010 --> 00:39:51.730 is fine too, because everybody is meant to have their own perspective and that's 573 00:39:51.769 --> 00:39:55.239 what makes life interesting, but, you know, I do everything. It's, 574 00:39:55.360 --> 00:39:59.000 you know, undeniable. Everything is energy. It doesn't matter whether it's 575 00:39:59.000 --> 00:40:01.639 a conversation or a horse or a pen, you know, and so the 576 00:40:01.719 --> 00:40:06.559 way that we interact with those different elements of life is very, very personal. 577 00:40:07.190 --> 00:40:09.550 And when for me, when I'm able to connect with the horses, 578 00:40:09.869 --> 00:40:15.110 they have such a heart centered energy and that is, you know, it's 579 00:40:15.110 --> 00:40:20.829 an offering. There always gifting humanity something, even in the most abusive situations. 580 00:40:20.989 --> 00:40:24.340 Like I went to work in Egypt and you know, they I worked 581 00:40:24.380 --> 00:40:29.820 in equine hospital who provide medical treatment for the horses and donkeys in the area, 582 00:40:30.300 --> 00:40:34.019 and so I saw some pretty extreme cases and even then, even in 583 00:40:34.219 --> 00:40:38.050 those, you know, really dire states, the horses you can feel they're 584 00:40:38.090 --> 00:40:43.250 still capable of offering something to you, even if it's just a breath of 585 00:40:43.409 --> 00:40:46.130 presents, like it's still there. That's name. I've never thought about horses 586 00:40:46.210 --> 00:40:50.719 that way. That's a great way to think of horse. Do you ever? 587 00:40:51.360 --> 00:40:54.079 Have you ever been fearful of working with the horse just due to their 588 00:40:54.119 --> 00:40:58.920 size? It's not like a dog or a cat or a midsize animal. 589 00:40:59.000 --> 00:41:02.679 That's a big beast of it decided to have an episode. Right. Yeah, 590 00:41:02.719 --> 00:41:06.389 it's a love the fact that you ask that, because this happened to 591 00:41:06.469 --> 00:41:10.630 me for the first time two days ago. Up until this point, no, 592 00:41:12.150 --> 00:41:16.190 I'd always I've been cautious, sure, in terms of like reading the 593 00:41:16.269 --> 00:41:21.099 situation and being mindful of the fact that the horse is either, you know, 594 00:41:21.179 --> 00:41:23.059 you get explosive forces, for example, especially when you're working on the 595 00:41:23.139 --> 00:41:29.019 cranium and you're helping the body unwind. The body's energy needs to release like 596 00:41:29.179 --> 00:41:32.889 it came in. So there's often an explosion of energy and the Horse will 597 00:41:34.010 --> 00:41:37.250 can react physically where they're going to jump up or shake their heads, run 598 00:41:37.289 --> 00:41:39.570 around or bite or anything. But you know, you as a therapist, 599 00:41:39.650 --> 00:41:44.769 you're mindful of that. But I was treating a horse two days ago and 600 00:41:45.329 --> 00:41:49.880 he he's been in quite a little discomfort. He's very young still, and 601 00:41:50.280 --> 00:41:53.880 he was really, really, really trying to bite me and he was huh 602 00:41:54.280 --> 00:41:58.039 yeah, and for me, I said to the owner, she's amazing. 603 00:41:58.199 --> 00:42:00.510 She just you know, she just sticks with it and stays present in his 604 00:42:00.590 --> 00:42:04.710 sessions. And I said, well, it's the first time I've I've said 605 00:42:04.829 --> 00:42:07.550 to an owner, please, can you make sure that his you're holding his 606 00:42:07.710 --> 00:42:12.269 head properly or you're holding him so that he can't get to me. And 607 00:42:12.389 --> 00:42:14.869 I looked at that because again, like I said to you, it's Ay. 608 00:42:14.949 --> 00:42:16.619 What is that reflecting in me? Where is my energy? What am 609 00:42:16.619 --> 00:42:20.179 I doing? Yeah, yeah, sure, yeah, you want to check 610 00:42:20.300 --> 00:42:22.900 make sure it's not me? It could be me, maybe understore another the 611 00:42:22.940 --> 00:42:24.579 room. Yeah, yeah, that's final. Yeah, yeah, I'm glad 612 00:42:24.579 --> 00:42:28.099 you're okay and I'm sure things are going to work out with that horse. 613 00:42:28.179 --> 00:42:30.809 But there's always a challenge, right, there's always going to be something that 614 00:42:30.889 --> 00:42:34.570 pushes your limits and reminds you of a you know what you're really doing there, 615 00:42:34.610 --> 00:42:37.329 because it's it can't all be easy, horse completely, and I think 616 00:42:37.369 --> 00:42:40.130 that it's just that's why we're here as well. Let's just to remind each 617 00:42:40.170 --> 00:42:44.559 other of what's going on in the present moment. Yeah, tell me just 618 00:42:44.719 --> 00:42:47.920 about your locale like what you sound really busy in, like you have a 619 00:42:49.000 --> 00:42:53.039 really fulfilled mind. Do you partake in entertainment, like watch the telly or 620 00:42:53.079 --> 00:43:00.590 listen to music much? I listened to music and I don't Really Watch TV. 621 00:43:00.670 --> 00:43:06.989 I've been through phases of using TV as a way to, you know, 622 00:43:07.309 --> 00:43:09.309 process something or disconnect but now I don't watch TV on a regular basis. 623 00:43:09.510 --> 00:43:13.579 I spend a lot of time outside and I do listen to music and 624 00:43:13.619 --> 00:43:16.539 I love to play music. I play the piano, but the horse is 625 00:43:16.579 --> 00:43:21.579 can the horses here that from? They can sometimes. Yeah, they haven't. 626 00:43:21.619 --> 00:43:22.940 I haven't been able to take the piano outside and play to them, 627 00:43:23.019 --> 00:43:27.250 but they they have hang pan as well, which I've played them a few 628 00:43:27.289 --> 00:43:29.570 times and they love that. Well, yeah, I hang pan. What's 629 00:43:29.570 --> 00:43:35.369 that? It's it's that drum that it does is not a drum. It's 630 00:43:35.610 --> 00:43:38.329 it looks like a spaceship and you sit it in your law yeah, so 631 00:43:38.449 --> 00:43:40.559 I saw that an instagram. Looks like, I think the gold in a 632 00:43:40.599 --> 00:43:44.360 moon drum, but I think it's the same thing. Yeah, I've never 633 00:43:44.440 --> 00:43:45.719 heard of called that, but that's interesting, a moon drum. I like 634 00:43:45.880 --> 00:43:49.159 it. Yeah, you know, they give it a fancy name on instagram 635 00:43:49.239 --> 00:43:52.320 and try to sell them for twice the price. But yeah, I'm a 636 00:43:52.360 --> 00:43:54.199 drummer, Gary as a drummer two, so we're always in the drum stuff. 637 00:43:54.679 --> 00:44:00.429 The so what's if you play piano? The and what kind of music 638 00:44:00.550 --> 00:44:06.829 do you listen to? A whole different range. So I love classical music. 639 00:44:06.989 --> 00:44:09.780 I Love Soft Rock. I'm also an RMB, like a s rb 640 00:44:09.860 --> 00:44:16.260 hip hop girl, so I love that. And mostly American artists or English 641 00:44:16.340 --> 00:44:21.059 artists, you know, mostly mostly American. Interesting. I was wonder how 642 00:44:21.099 --> 00:44:23.730 far the American music reaches, like, I mean we all speak English and 643 00:44:23.809 --> 00:44:29.610 American English almost in many cases, so it seems kind of unfair that American 644 00:44:29.650 --> 00:44:32.489 music is so prevalent in many places. Yeah, I mean it's stretches pretty 645 00:44:32.530 --> 00:44:36.969 far. I got to say. Like if if you're into the s hip 646 00:44:37.050 --> 00:44:40.960 hop and RMB seen as far as I've experienced anyway, it's mostly American artists 647 00:44:42.039 --> 00:44:46.360 and I think in the S I was into either like some gangster rap like 648 00:44:46.480 --> 00:44:52.039 Tupac, or conscious hip hop, like, I don't know, epmd. 649 00:44:52.949 --> 00:44:55.230 Yeah, okay, so, yeah, I'm to pack. Is More mine 650 00:44:55.510 --> 00:44:59.750 right. I definitely wasn't into consciousive, but when I was growing up I'm 651 00:44:59.789 --> 00:45:01.389 not even bad. So I've just taken what I used to listen to. 652 00:45:01.590 --> 00:45:07.900 Is is a teenage general rundown. Yeah, I love that. I think 653 00:45:07.900 --> 00:45:12.659 it's actually an amazing it's amazing. It's a if you can wrap well and 654 00:45:13.179 --> 00:45:16.380 have lyrical value, then it's pretty impressive really impressive. I mean, like 655 00:45:16.460 --> 00:45:20.139 I said, I'm a drummer. That's why I like rap a lot. 656 00:45:20.139 --> 00:45:23.449 I'm not a poet or I can write good Hiku and I can play the 657 00:45:23.530 --> 00:45:27.929 drums, but I cannot assemble the too. So anybody that can assemble the 658 00:45:27.969 --> 00:45:31.730 two and not down like a dorky white guy gets points from me for sure. 659 00:45:31.769 --> 00:45:36.559 Yeah, I agree. Yeah, I actually in terms of the back 660 00:45:36.599 --> 00:45:38.800 of your question of how do I get clients, I would love to. 661 00:45:39.599 --> 00:45:43.599 I'm about to release a book. I would love to mention that. If 662 00:45:43.639 --> 00:45:45.280 that's okay with you, please do yeah, this is after the thing is 663 00:45:45.360 --> 00:45:47.639 for plugin. Like, what else do we get to do? Let's promote 664 00:45:47.679 --> 00:45:52.989 some stuff. Amazing. Okay, thanks. So it's called the healing language 665 00:45:52.030 --> 00:45:57.230 of forces and it's set to release on June first, and what it is 666 00:45:57.630 --> 00:46:02.309 is a collection of messages from my heard of forces to humanity which I gathered 667 00:46:02.389 --> 00:46:06.019 over a boy a three year period of just sitting in the field with them 668 00:46:06.059 --> 00:46:08.699 and writing and writing and writing, a listening and everything we've already discussed in 669 00:46:08.820 --> 00:46:14.539 terms of doing my own selfdevelopment work and shadow work help me hear them at 670 00:46:14.539 --> 00:46:19.570 a deeper level. So that book is set to release on June first and 671 00:46:19.650 --> 00:46:22.929 I have a poetry book which I released at the beginning of April which is 672 00:46:22.969 --> 00:46:25.929 an international number one best seller. Getting congratulations. Oh No, I shouldn't 673 00:46:25.929 --> 00:46:29.570 be surprised. You said you were a writer. We didn't connect on the 674 00:46:29.769 --> 00:46:32.119 on the out of the context that eat that you were a writer. So 675 00:46:32.239 --> 00:46:36.000 I didn't really dig deep into that. But yeah, you're a writer, 676 00:46:36.079 --> 00:46:38.280 so of course you have books, but having a number one book of poetry, 677 00:46:38.320 --> 00:46:42.519 come on, that's amazing. Thank you so much. Yeah, it 678 00:46:42.639 --> 00:46:45.480 is. It is an amazing feeling and it's I think it's again. It's 679 00:46:45.519 --> 00:46:49.590 just that opportunity to connect with people. Okay, so to connect with people. 680 00:46:49.829 --> 00:46:53.269 I randomly connected with the person that I will connect you to offline. 681 00:46:53.869 --> 00:46:59.030 Amazing. And so I was doing. Oh, I wanted to start podcast 682 00:46:59.190 --> 00:47:04.260 on the sign business and I wanted to find out how people successfully do advertising 683 00:47:04.300 --> 00:47:08.860 specifically. So I heard a podcaster about a podcaster. Well, the second 684 00:47:08.940 --> 00:47:15.019 podcaster was this guy who runs the Horse Radio Network. I looked into it. 685 00:47:15.539 --> 00:47:19.570 This guy has like eighteen different shows, all on horses. He goes 686 00:47:19.690 --> 00:47:23.409 like to Joe's Hay and Grain Storm in Massachusetts and we'll get like two hundred 687 00:47:23.449 --> 00:47:27.849 dollars for ad spot. So he just goes out. He doesn't worry about 688 00:47:27.849 --> 00:47:31.480 download numbers or subscribers or anything. He goes straight out to the horse people 689 00:47:32.039 --> 00:47:37.239 gets ads for their stuff and all the shows are talking about horse it's every 690 00:47:37.360 --> 00:47:40.559 morning. He does horse talk radio like every morning of the weekdays. Wow, 691 00:47:40.840 --> 00:47:45.309 your book would be amazing and he's a really kind guy. I think 692 00:47:45.309 --> 00:47:50.469 you would make an amazing interview for that as well. So it's incredible. 693 00:47:50.469 --> 00:47:52.469 Yeah, I love the synchronicity. Yeah, definitely have to hook you up 694 00:47:52.469 --> 00:47:57.829 with him because, wow, I'm this is going to be awesome. Like 695 00:47:58.030 --> 00:48:00.059 once you once you say you had something to promote. My promoter mind kicks 696 00:48:00.099 --> 00:48:04.260 and I'm like, Oh, yeah, that guy promote that book makes some 697 00:48:04.380 --> 00:48:08.380 money. Yeah, you know, feed for the horses and whatnot. So 698 00:48:08.539 --> 00:48:12.699 how many horses do you have collectively, like how much land and how much? 699 00:48:13.170 --> 00:48:15.929 How many like people or horse people do you got up there? I'll 700 00:48:15.969 --> 00:48:21.409 call. So I have five horses and I have twenty acres of land and 701 00:48:22.530 --> 00:48:25.809 that's it. The last rounds the house, which for me is amazing. 702 00:48:25.849 --> 00:48:29.880 So I can actually see the horses from pretty much every angle when I'm in 703 00:48:29.960 --> 00:48:32.440 the house at some point so I can check on them, or at least 704 00:48:32.440 --> 00:48:35.760 connect with them and see them. First thing in the morning. When are 705 00:48:35.800 --> 00:48:37.519 you like? They can always check on yeah, they'll see if the lights 706 00:48:37.639 --> 00:48:42.110 on or they hear you make us some noise. That sounds like food time. 707 00:48:42.190 --> 00:48:45.590 They probably totally I know what I like is in the morning I can 708 00:48:45.630 --> 00:48:50.670 just open the door and call them and they'll hear me and they for example, 709 00:48:50.789 --> 00:48:52.789 sometimes I'll even be in the kitchen if I start doing there a bit 710 00:48:52.829 --> 00:48:55.860 later, like feeding them a bit later. I'll be in my kitchen and 711 00:48:57.420 --> 00:49:00.860 one of my horses who I'm particularly connected to. His name is Florenzo, 712 00:49:00.500 --> 00:49:05.019 and he will know that I'm up. I know he can't hear me, 713 00:49:05.340 --> 00:49:07.260 sure, because I'd say just walk downstairs or something and not made a lot 714 00:49:07.300 --> 00:49:10.969 of noise, but he'll know that I'm awake and he'll Winnie and then I 715 00:49:12.130 --> 00:49:14.289 just I just start laughing im like right, I'll just go outside now, 716 00:49:14.329 --> 00:49:17.530 and there is no escaping the guy usually like a watch dog horse or watch 717 00:49:17.650 --> 00:49:22.409 horse. So okay. Well, you're really close to a beach, but 718 00:49:22.650 --> 00:49:25.519 we talked about whether or not we ride horses. Do you ever walk your 719 00:49:25.559 --> 00:49:29.400 horses to the beach, on the beach or ride them on the beach. 720 00:49:30.079 --> 00:49:31.480 No, I don't do any of those things on the beach. Okay, 721 00:49:31.519 --> 00:49:35.800 it's it's really unexciting, I know, but it's you know, horses are 722 00:49:35.920 --> 00:49:38.309 really very love about them is that they love to explore, they love to 723 00:49:38.349 --> 00:49:43.909 see new places. They are animals who will roam hundreds and hundreds of hundreds 724 00:49:43.909 --> 00:49:46.829 of miles naturally. So they have that switched on in their brain. They're 725 00:49:46.829 --> 00:49:51.309 like, oh, great, a new place. Curiosity engaged and at the 726 00:49:51.349 --> 00:49:54.940 same time they are very, very grounded. So, for example, my 727 00:49:55.019 --> 00:49:59.500 horse is love to be here. This is their temple right. They're fine. 728 00:49:59.579 --> 00:50:02.059 Yeah, they're like teenagers kicking it, playing their xbox on the couch. 729 00:50:02.219 --> 00:50:06.179 They're like, we're good, this is fine here. Like Quarantine. 730 00:50:06.300 --> 00:50:10.210 What quarantine, which is what we always do? Totally. Yeah, yeah, 731 00:50:10.570 --> 00:50:14.210 exactly, and it's some. But I do have a young horse who 732 00:50:14.690 --> 00:50:17.570 I will take out in hand on the road to give her some experience because 733 00:50:17.610 --> 00:50:21.010 she's really on. I got her when she was a year old, and 734 00:50:21.250 --> 00:50:25.559 so my other horses are say sixteen and twenty two and seventeen and twenty three, 735 00:50:25.559 --> 00:50:30.800 so all around a similar age and because she's so young. You know, 736 00:50:30.960 --> 00:50:35.679 I wanted her to have some life experience so that if anything happens like, 737 00:50:36.030 --> 00:50:37.150 okay, suddenly we need to move guys, you need to jump on 738 00:50:37.230 --> 00:50:39.989 a lorry and drive down the road, she's not going to, you know, 739 00:50:40.070 --> 00:50:45.030 she at least it's fair for her to have some association with the outside. 740 00:50:45.190 --> 00:50:47.030 Well, so speak. So, oh, yeah, yeah, you 741 00:50:47.110 --> 00:50:51.940 cou'd be like homeschooling a kid forever or some yeah, you gotta let him 742 00:50:51.940 --> 00:50:54.420 out a little bit. Take him out to the mall him get into a 743 00:50:54.460 --> 00:50:59.019 little trouble. Neat other people. Take her to the cinema now and again. 744 00:50:59.179 --> 00:51:00.579 Yes, play at the seed in their head that there's an out there 745 00:51:00.699 --> 00:51:05.929 somewhere exactly, and we're out there. Feels like as well. Because, 746 00:51:06.010 --> 00:51:07.769 yeah, because you might not like it. She might like, Oh, 747 00:51:07.769 --> 00:51:10.849 yeah, I prefer it back there, and she does. But like it's 748 00:51:12.170 --> 00:51:15.530 I love that balance because she'll be really curious some days and she'll really want 749 00:51:15.530 --> 00:51:17.880 to go and she'll walk up to me and I've like got the head color 750 00:51:17.920 --> 00:51:22.360 of my hand and she's ready, and there's day she's just like it's a 751 00:51:22.480 --> 00:51:25.719 no. Yeah, and we have to be adaptable as human beings. Because, 752 00:51:27.119 --> 00:51:29.239 just like us, we're not the same every day. I love it. 753 00:51:29.320 --> 00:51:32.510 It's like you have a a tribe of horses. You included with the 754 00:51:32.550 --> 00:51:36.829 horses, but you seems like you act like they are in live, as 755 00:51:36.829 --> 00:51:39.190 if you're all one. Yeah, that's what it feels like. It's nice. 756 00:51:39.230 --> 00:51:43.230 That's what it feels like and I actually I have this conversation with my 757 00:51:43.469 --> 00:51:46.460 mother quite a lot, which is interesting, because she asks how the horses 758 00:51:46.539 --> 00:51:51.420 are a lot and I always end up saying something along the lines of, 759 00:51:51.579 --> 00:51:54.619 you know, we are the same, like we are literally one element. 760 00:51:54.780 --> 00:52:00.340 We like one moving circle of energy and like, for example, if they 761 00:52:00.380 --> 00:52:04.329 have a physical issue or an emotional issue going on, I will feel it 762 00:52:04.409 --> 00:52:07.530 like it's mine and it's only when I can discern that it's coming from them 763 00:52:07.730 --> 00:52:10.289 that I realize, Oh, okay, that's why, because we're so connected 764 00:52:10.489 --> 00:52:14.250 and the same thing happens on my end. If I have stuff going on, 765 00:52:14.809 --> 00:52:17.239 they're on it. They'll either reflect it back to me or they're trying 766 00:52:17.239 --> 00:52:21.920 to trigger me or something. You know, it's there's a very, very 767 00:52:22.079 --> 00:52:25.000 tight bond between all of us and it's an actually an honor. You know, 768 00:52:25.000 --> 00:52:30.070 I didn't really think that this would happen in this way, but it 769 00:52:30.190 --> 00:52:32.269 has and it's amazing and it'll only get deeper. Well, yeah, you've 770 00:52:32.309 --> 00:52:37.469 extended past the human realm. There is a great quote from a sports coach 771 00:52:37.630 --> 00:52:40.429 that said we become the average of the five people that were around the most. 772 00:52:42.030 --> 00:52:45.460 Well, in your case you're becoming the average of the five beings or 773 00:52:45.500 --> 00:52:49.820 creatures that you're around the most. Would are at peace, they're roaming the 774 00:52:49.940 --> 00:52:52.900 countryside, there live in the life. So in the sense you're kind of 775 00:52:52.940 --> 00:52:59.449 becoming that which they are. Yeah, yeah, that's what it feels like. 776 00:52:59.570 --> 00:53:04.489 It's so is the dog totially, and she is as much a teacher 777 00:53:04.570 --> 00:53:07.570 as the horses all. I mean, she's just nic level. Do you 778 00:53:07.690 --> 00:53:13.199 have any favorite words that you could share with us, like slang words that 779 00:53:13.320 --> 00:53:16.519 mean things that we wouldn't know in English? Hmm, I mean, sorry 780 00:53:16.719 --> 00:53:21.119 to mean in English, from English, from for England. Yeah, yeah, 781 00:53:21.239 --> 00:53:23.199 exactly, because we, I mean we know normal slang words. That 782 00:53:23.320 --> 00:53:29.670 cool and awesome and great. Yeah, whatever, but you know, such 783 00:53:29.710 --> 00:53:32.349 a question. Okay, it's funny because you wouldn't know what we don't know. 784 00:53:32.510 --> 00:53:35.789 That, I guess that's the hard part about it. Yeah, and 785 00:53:35.909 --> 00:53:37.670 so much of language. So we use it unconscious right. So I'm okay, 786 00:53:37.710 --> 00:53:45.619 how can I? How do I find okay, how about somebody left 787 00:53:45.659 --> 00:53:51.260 the gate to the to the farm open and the Horse got out and you 788 00:53:51.340 --> 00:53:53.420 just got pulled up and you see the gates open. What do you scream 789 00:53:53.460 --> 00:53:59.530 at? What's your exclamation? Usually a swell word like a commis would like, 790 00:53:59.610 --> 00:54:01.170 what the F? That kind of thing. Yeah, okay, pretty 791 00:54:01.210 --> 00:54:07.369 much. Yeah, yeah, that's a definitely yeah, but not a going 792 00:54:07.409 --> 00:54:08.650 to be little things, but honestly, I'm sorry, nothing so much to 793 00:54:08.650 --> 00:54:12.760 mind right now. Now, that's it. That's okay. It's especially interesting 794 00:54:12.880 --> 00:54:15.760 when I'm talking to people from other countries. So you could say, what 795 00:54:15.800 --> 00:54:20.440 does good mean to you and they're like which version of good, kind of 796 00:54:20.519 --> 00:54:23.469 good, medium good or great good tells you know, it's such a good 797 00:54:23.510 --> 00:54:27.269 point because at the end of the day, like I was thinking about this 798 00:54:27.349 --> 00:54:30.550 other day actually, my boyfriend and I were talking about how in you know, 799 00:54:30.630 --> 00:54:35.269 in English, we say like I love you in so many different ways. 800 00:54:35.309 --> 00:54:37.269 It can mean so many different things, because I wouldn't say to my 801 00:54:37.389 --> 00:54:40.500 dog, for example, Nila, oh matter, I like you very much. 802 00:54:42.619 --> 00:54:44.420 You know, that just doesn't make any sense. Yeah, would. 803 00:54:44.420 --> 00:54:47.300 I would use that term of Endim and of love and at the same time, 804 00:54:47.460 --> 00:54:51.380 like say in Spanish or Portuguese or, I think Arabic as well, 805 00:54:51.500 --> 00:54:54.409 and other languages, there are so many different ways to express different levels of 806 00:54:54.449 --> 00:54:58.050 emotion. Yeah, and I was thinking about that and I was like, 807 00:54:58.130 --> 00:55:02.210 Oh God, that it actually filters through throughout the whole English language, because 808 00:55:02.250 --> 00:55:07.000 there are so many phrases that we use that they have such a big range. 809 00:55:07.800 --> 00:55:10.280 You know, you just want to send to range without the right words. 810 00:55:10.320 --> 00:55:14.719 So I just was listening to an audiobook. Not to digress too far, 811 00:55:14.880 --> 00:55:21.789 but the inuit up in Alaska they have over two hundred separate words for 812 00:55:21.949 --> 00:55:25.389 different types of snow. Wow, I'm like, well, that's effective then, 813 00:55:25.389 --> 00:55:29.670 because then you'll know, oh it's the slushy type of snow that about 814 00:55:29.909 --> 00:55:31.670 piece size, that gets under your tire, that makes you slide off the 815 00:55:31.710 --> 00:55:36.260 road. That'll be they'll have a name for that type of snow. Or 816 00:55:36.340 --> 00:55:37.900 they'll have a type of you know, the type that hangs off your roof 817 00:55:37.940 --> 00:55:43.420 and slides onto the driveway, and like wow, that we just call it 818 00:55:43.539 --> 00:55:45.739 snow. They're like no, it's, yeah, pretty vague. They're white 819 00:55:45.780 --> 00:55:52.769 boy wow, and I guess that's also like applicable to your environment, right, 820 00:55:52.090 --> 00:55:54.969 exactly, like what do you need to know a lot about? Yeah, 821 00:55:55.090 --> 00:55:58.329 Snow. In that case, I love it. I love that, 822 00:55:58.489 --> 00:56:00.650 like edible snow, right. Yeah, so as to play with. That's 823 00:56:00.690 --> 00:56:04.920 right, the guy that makes good snow men. Yeah, that kind of 824 00:56:05.000 --> 00:56:08.360 causes avalanches. The whole bits really interesting. Yeah, so cool. I 825 00:56:08.480 --> 00:56:13.039 think I have so much good stuff for our podcasts here. I do not 826 00:56:13.280 --> 00:56:16.199 have. Will you say your name and like you want to say you're an 827 00:56:16.239 --> 00:56:20.789 author or something like? Your name and title clearly, maybe once or twice 828 00:56:20.829 --> 00:56:24.230 so I can edit that in. Sure. Okay, do you always say 829 00:56:24.230 --> 00:56:27.909 my name is or just my just my name, because it is just say 830 00:56:27.949 --> 00:56:31.670 hi. I'm I am or hi. Cool. Okay, Hi, I'm 831 00:56:31.750 --> 00:56:37.699 D Laura Petaudi. I'm an equine Cranio sacral therapist and an author living in 832 00:56:37.820 --> 00:56:43.579 the UK with my herd of five horses. Was Perfect. Awesome. That's 833 00:56:43.659 --> 00:56:45.059 great. So, yeah, this is awesome. It's going to take. 834 00:56:45.340 --> 00:56:50.289 I am well, it's honest. Truth is, I have a adhd and 835 00:56:50.530 --> 00:56:52.170 I have a hard time going back to what I just talked about and re 836 00:56:52.289 --> 00:56:55.690 listening to everything I just said. Because it's boring to me. But anyway, 837 00:56:55.730 --> 00:56:59.250 that's my big conten to. So I basically in the next two or 838 00:56:59.250 --> 00:57:02.480 three days, I go back and edit this into roughly twenty minute podcast of 839 00:57:02.599 --> 00:57:05.800 all the assalient points. I'll make sure, for sure, to get your 840 00:57:05.840 --> 00:57:08.599 plug in there about the book, because that's exciting, and I'll try to 841 00:57:08.679 --> 00:57:14.599 make some common sense of our conversation with that making us sound crazy, although 842 00:57:14.639 --> 00:57:16.949 I mean whatever. Like I said, our audience listens to everything, so 843 00:57:17.230 --> 00:57:21.789 nothing we said sounds out of line, for sure, but they make us 844 00:57:21.829 --> 00:57:23.869 sound too normal. Neither that either. Right. I want it to be 845 00:57:23.989 --> 00:57:28.269 just enough to where people might share it and like learn something new about it, 846 00:57:28.309 --> 00:57:30.860 because I didn't know that. Well, I'd heard of Cranio sacral therapy 847 00:57:30.980 --> 00:57:35.260 for humans that I didn't stop to think that it could be for other animals, 848 00:57:35.260 --> 00:57:38.659 especially bigger animals with much bigger craniums. So that's I learned something new 849 00:57:39.579 --> 00:57:44.179 totaling and it is an amazing modality. So I'd love the fact that I 850 00:57:44.289 --> 00:57:45.849 can share, I can share about with you, because now you've got to 851 00:57:45.889 --> 00:57:49.769 in your consciousness. Now I'm going to go look for it because I already 852 00:57:49.769 --> 00:57:52.690 go to that the reflex ologist for foot massage. I love getting my feet 853 00:57:52.730 --> 00:57:54.969 massage and I believe in that, but I never stopped to ask, Hey, 854 00:57:54.969 --> 00:57:58.489 do you do skulls, because I don't think they would do it right. 855 00:57:58.599 --> 00:58:01.920 But now I'm on the hunt. I hope to enjoy your session when 856 00:58:01.960 --> 00:58:06.639 you find someone. You're an amazing host. It was wonderful to Talt you. 857 00:58:06.840 --> 00:58:08.199 Thank you. You're always welcome back and, like I said, I 858 00:58:08.280 --> 00:58:13.309 will connect you with the Horse Radio Network, gentleman, and I think you 859 00:58:13.349 --> 00:58:15.869 guys will just hit it off. It'll be a it'll be super cool and 860 00:58:16.269 --> 00:58:21.429 maybe we can follow up in several weeks and it's would happened. Amazing, 861 00:58:21.469 --> 00:58:22.630 John. Thank you so much. I love you. To meet you much 862 00:58:22.670 --> 00:58:38.340 pleasure to take care. Take okay, and now back to the wall.