Conversing with Sam/ From Autism Rocks and Rolls/ A Podcast For Us

WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.040 --> 00:00:07.509 Welcome back to the mighty emoo Joe. I'll be johnny motions. You be 2 00:00:07.750 --> 00:00:21.149 you. Let's go. So today's episode features Sam from autism rocks and rolls 3 00:00:21.429 --> 00:00:29.620 podcast and his mom production teammate, Gina. I met them on Pottits facebook 4 00:00:29.660 --> 00:00:36.009 group and you know well, typically I don't like having guests because it's just 5 00:00:36.170 --> 00:00:38.210 a lot of work. It's a lot of work tracking them down and I 6 00:00:38.250 --> 00:00:44.329 don't have a team of people to organize that and people are generally flakey and 7 00:00:44.570 --> 00:00:48.490 most people who want to be a guest are not the people I want to 8 00:00:48.570 --> 00:00:54.320 have as guests and I don't like chasing guests otherwise, like I want guess 9 00:00:54.399 --> 00:01:00.320 that I'm interested in. You might recall the transcranial direct current stimulation device I 10 00:01:00.479 --> 00:01:04.750 use. Well, I've I got that because I was watching the TV show 11 00:01:06.469 --> 00:01:10.349 and I saw a guy on the TV show that made it and I said 12 00:01:10.390 --> 00:01:14.269 I'm going to call him, because I don't don't really pay attention to boundaries 13 00:01:14.310 --> 00:01:18.659 like I should. So when I see a guest and no matter how appropriate 14 00:01:18.739 --> 00:01:21.939 or inappropriate, I'm like yeah, I want that guests, and then when 15 00:01:21.980 --> 00:01:23.260 I can't get the guests, I'm like, yeah, fuck it, I 16 00:01:23.299 --> 00:01:29.459 don't want any guests. So with Sam, he's had a cool podcast autism 17 00:01:29.500 --> 00:01:33.450 rocks and rolls, and what's especially cool about his podcast is that he has 18 00:01:33.530 --> 00:01:38.730 helped, he's got his mom and they also have sponsors like wellspring pain management. 19 00:01:38.489 --> 00:01:42.090 That's freaking cool. So they're not my sponsor, but I'll plug them 20 00:01:42.209 --> 00:01:48.239 just because there's a business out there that's putting their money straight back into the 21 00:01:48.319 --> 00:01:53.079 community by way of supporting a podcast and I think that's freaking great. So 22 00:01:53.200 --> 00:01:59.359 yeah, I was one of these guys like the brains apperthing. That's one 23 00:01:59.400 --> 00:02:01.989 guy I wanted as a podcast guest, and I think Mr Ken may still 24 00:02:02.069 --> 00:02:07.430 come on the show. He hasn't said No. I just haven't had time 25 00:02:07.510 --> 00:02:09.189 to sync up with him as I'd like to. We email back and forth 26 00:02:09.229 --> 00:02:15.069 a couple of times. But the other guy. So there's a commercial for 27 00:02:15.150 --> 00:02:20.180 Pepto Bismo Bismol, whatever it's called, the pink stuff for upset stomach, 28 00:02:21.620 --> 00:02:25.500 and there's a dude on that commercial that I want to interview. In the 29 00:02:25.620 --> 00:02:31.129 commercial there's a song, a little commercial jingle, and it goes a little 30 00:02:31.250 --> 00:02:36.610 something like this. When you have Nausa hardre in the gestures, it's the 31 00:02:37.129 --> 00:02:43.289 tire right. I want to talk to the diarrhea guy. This guy tired. 32 00:02:44.759 --> 00:02:47.479 So, like I tracked him down and I want I sent email to 33 00:02:47.599 --> 00:02:53.840 his publicists, like I want to interview your guy for my podcast, but 34 00:02:53.960 --> 00:02:58.439 of course I don't hear back from people like that. Why not? Like 35 00:02:58.669 --> 00:03:02.069 what, Dude, I want to ask him. So it turns out that 36 00:03:02.150 --> 00:03:07.189 guy, the diarrhea guy, is a pretty well known Canadian actor in Canada 37 00:03:07.830 --> 00:03:13.620 and you know, stage and screen and that sort of thing, but he 38 00:03:13.699 --> 00:03:19.699 gets famous for the Fucking Dia. I love it and I want to interfeme 39 00:03:19.819 --> 00:03:23.099 about that. Like how is it when you get famous for a thing that 40 00:03:23.259 --> 00:03:25.860 you dislike most? That of all the things you do in your career, 41 00:03:27.770 --> 00:03:32.810 what's it like being notorious or famous whatever for the thing you lie liked the 42 00:03:32.930 --> 00:03:38.650 least? Like Alec Guinness, Sir Alec Ginness from the Star Wars. Apparently 43 00:03:38.689 --> 00:03:44.080 he hated being known as Obi Wan Kenobi. Well, he could have been 44 00:03:44.120 --> 00:03:49.960 known as the diarrhea guys anyway. That's why I don't chase guest I have 45 00:03:50.120 --> 00:03:53.240 a hard time finding people I actually want to talk to, so return my 46 00:03:53.360 --> 00:03:59.830 emails. However, in the case of Sam from autism rocks and rolls. 47 00:04:00.710 --> 00:04:04.229 His mom helps him. She actually replied to an email that I sent her 48 00:04:04.389 --> 00:04:09.830 because she was posting some things that sounded interesting in a facebook group. So 49 00:04:09.990 --> 00:04:14.099 see, that's as easy as it is. So let's just jump into it. 50 00:04:14.419 --> 00:04:17.779 There is no structure here. It's just US having a casual conversation. 51 00:04:18.339 --> 00:04:23.939 There was no agenda and I just like his company and I love that the 52 00:04:24.180 --> 00:04:28.649 the fact that Gina showed up to support him when he stepped away from the 53 00:04:28.730 --> 00:04:33.970 mic made things flow really smoothly and kind of gave a cool representation of what 54 00:04:34.050 --> 00:04:40.319 it's like to both produce podcast and beyond the spectrum. So I hope you 55 00:04:40.399 --> 00:04:44.079 enjoy and I'll see you in a few days, or you'll hear from me 56 00:04:44.319 --> 00:04:54.829 in a few days. Yeah, help. So we have a well spring 57 00:04:54.910 --> 00:05:00.470 pain solutions in Bloomington, Indiana. There are big, big supporter and they 58 00:05:00.509 --> 00:05:03.589 are just a hundred percent on board with autism. Rocks and rolls. They 59 00:05:03.629 --> 00:05:09.420 changed the the outfits that they wear and all of their doctors offices to SAM's 60 00:05:09.459 --> 00:05:13.459 t shirt. They have created pins, they have it. What did they 61 00:05:13.500 --> 00:05:15.860 do? Are they a paint company and, if so, what's it have 62 00:05:15.939 --> 00:05:19.379 to do with doctors? It's a pain pain o pay like pain medicine, 63 00:05:19.420 --> 00:05:24.050 that POW medicine. But okay, I guess. Yeah, like got a 64 00:05:24.129 --> 00:05:27.410 batch all he'll give a nerve massage or something that. They are a big 65 00:05:27.449 --> 00:05:30.170 company in Indiana. Gotch like a therapy place where you go to get therapy, 66 00:05:30.889 --> 00:05:34.329 physical their and massage and that sort of stuff. Yeah, they have 67 00:05:34.569 --> 00:05:39.199 just really have to. You know, they're believing and say M and with 68 00:05:39.360 --> 00:05:43.639 what he's doing in his mission and this day, are just wonderful, wonderful 69 00:05:43.680 --> 00:05:46.000 people. How did you come to meet those folks that? Did somebody reach 70 00:05:46.040 --> 00:05:49.269 out to you guys, or do you reach out to the local community? 71 00:05:49.350 --> 00:05:53.269 How that goes this one? I mean I have reached out to some of 72 00:05:53.310 --> 00:05:56.670 the sponsors, because we have a three big sponsors right now and then we 73 00:05:56.709 --> 00:06:00.069 have some small ones, and two out of the three sponsors I did reach 74 00:06:00.110 --> 00:06:04.060 out to, just from knowing some people that this first big sponsor, our 75 00:06:04.180 --> 00:06:11.860 main sponsor, did approached us. So that happened. But we also want 76 00:06:11.860 --> 00:06:17.930 to thank commercial service in Bloomington, Indiana for donating a rather great something, 77 00:06:17.970 --> 00:06:21.689 not a huge amount, but some money for Sam to buy some APPS. 78 00:06:23.410 --> 00:06:27.610 That one nice star his podcast APPs Yep, software. Yeah, UH, 79 00:06:27.930 --> 00:06:30.370 as it adds from it's sorry, Nope, APPs. And then we also 80 00:06:30.449 --> 00:06:36.319 want to think, what does commercial services do? That's kind of a vague 81 00:06:36.360 --> 00:06:42.360 name. Yeah, deserve more props than their name can convey by its absolutely. 82 00:06:42.399 --> 00:06:46.040 They've been in business for over, I think, I think like fifty 83 00:06:46.079 --> 00:06:48.949 years. It's a family on company, but they are heating and air conditioning 84 00:06:49.069 --> 00:06:53.269 place. Oh great, that one. That's a high demand right now. 85 00:06:53.389 --> 00:06:59.029 For sure. Absolutely. And then we have a perfection auto glass that also 86 00:06:59.029 --> 00:07:05.339 has several several locations in fishers. Want to say month see Bloomington, Indiana, 87 00:07:06.339 --> 00:07:11.180 and they have really jumped on board and are helping Sam. And then 88 00:07:11.220 --> 00:07:14.019 we have do you good? What's the what do you think the key is 89 00:07:14.100 --> 00:07:17.329 to that? Like, Dude, you think they're employees or the owners or 90 00:07:17.370 --> 00:07:23.050 whatnot? Have a kids on the spectrum or how do you think your message 91 00:07:23.089 --> 00:07:26.850 resonated so well with them? Well, I think it's a combination, a 92 00:07:27.089 --> 00:07:29.810 kind of dealing with the sponsors and, like, you know, figuring out 93 00:07:29.889 --> 00:07:32.959 marketing and things like that. I don't I'm not trained in marketing. Your 94 00:07:33.000 --> 00:07:36.800 training, yea working I'm an educator. Yeah, over the last two or 95 00:07:36.800 --> 00:07:42.480 three years I'd like really educated myself. I mean I've built several websites for 96 00:07:42.600 --> 00:07:47.149 Salem and just really taught myself to do it. But as far as like, 97 00:07:47.230 --> 00:07:49.990 I think, I think there's a lot of things, but the ones, 98 00:07:50.110 --> 00:07:55.230 the couple things that come to my mind is one, Sam has a 99 00:07:55.430 --> 00:08:01.180 powerful mission and I think that when that mission is put out there and and 100 00:08:01.620 --> 00:08:05.220 people see like how serious he is, he is about this and how serious 101 00:08:05.259 --> 00:08:11.939 I am about it as his mother, I think that mission is so extremely 102 00:08:11.980 --> 00:08:16.730 powerful. When a company here sees a he's a young man that has had 103 00:08:16.769 --> 00:08:20.930 definite struggles throughout his life because he's on the autism spectrum, I think. 104 00:08:20.970 --> 00:08:24.370 So I was like, you can stand a hundred percent. You might be 105 00:08:24.449 --> 00:08:28.160 able to, because you're saying I expect you know that naptism is is probably 106 00:08:28.360 --> 00:08:31.240 the most fascinating. I just call it a condition. It's just a state, 107 00:08:31.759 --> 00:08:37.440 because some people benefit when they say I have a disability, and then 108 00:08:37.440 --> 00:08:41.159 they're able to get relief through government subsidies and things like that. So I'm 109 00:08:41.200 --> 00:08:43.509 like great. However, you can find relief if you want to call it 110 00:08:43.590 --> 00:08:48.669 a disability. Cool if you like. I consider it more of an asset, 111 00:08:48.909 --> 00:08:52.230 almost a secret weapon because I don't tell many people. Like I use 112 00:08:52.309 --> 00:08:54.429 a fake name for the TV for this show, and you know all these 113 00:08:54.470 --> 00:08:58.299 things. So, but in my real life I keep it on the downlow. 114 00:08:58.460 --> 00:09:01.700 But when I know I need to pull from that reserve, from the 115 00:09:01.779 --> 00:09:05.299 focus, from the creativity, sometimes I have to call in sick, I 116 00:09:05.500 --> 00:09:07.580 got food poisoning. But what I'm really doing, I'm at home just being 117 00:09:07.820 --> 00:09:13.690 me, figuring out like how to rule the world and my little grand plans. 118 00:09:13.250 --> 00:09:18.049 So, but I think you guys probably present really a winning team too. 119 00:09:18.570 --> 00:09:22.850 It's nice to back winners, people that are actually doing it. Yeah, 120 00:09:22.009 --> 00:09:24.799 that's what I was going to say is this message is coming out very 121 00:09:24.799 --> 00:09:28.600 powerfully and and then, I think once people think, oh my gosh, 122 00:09:28.639 --> 00:09:33.080 you know, you have this kid who's really passion about this, and then 123 00:09:33.120 --> 00:09:35.600 they find out how many followers he's had, he has, and then they 124 00:09:35.679 --> 00:09:39.309 find out the big names that's been on a show, and then they find 125 00:09:39.350 --> 00:09:45.029 out the demographics and they find out how many they find out all this information 126 00:09:45.350 --> 00:09:48.230 and then I think they think, how can our company benefit from this? 127 00:09:48.429 --> 00:09:54.620 And I really do think that's that's that's the kind of like the motive. 128 00:09:54.059 --> 00:09:58.580 But I think what gets them pulled in and gets them interested. Is just 129 00:09:58.779 --> 00:10:03.940 the power of of what he's doing, the power of Sam. Absolutely, 130 00:10:03.980 --> 00:10:09.169 absolutely, really what I think. And it does boil down to sometimes will 131 00:10:09.250 --> 00:10:13.289 really all the time, who you know and who you can talk to if 132 00:10:13.330 --> 00:10:18.210 you have an idea. YEA, and that's that's been a lot of the 133 00:10:18.370 --> 00:10:24.480 things as I think, I wonder, this person knows this person and if 134 00:10:24.519 --> 00:10:28.399 I say this to them, yeah, it's risky. Right, you have 135 00:10:28.519 --> 00:10:33.360 to open up and tell people things you don't necessarily want to like reveal to 136 00:10:33.480 --> 00:10:37.230 get to the next step towards the thing you want to achieve, and you 137 00:10:37.309 --> 00:10:39.950 can get challenging. So I appreciated, though I don't care, honestly, 138 00:10:41.110 --> 00:10:43.110 with how it turns out. I am really to like it be able to 139 00:10:43.590 --> 00:10:48.950 that's a that's and I'm curious and I don't want to. I don't want 140 00:10:48.950 --> 00:10:52.700 to be disrespectful in any way. I mean, I'm Sam and I are 141 00:10:52.740 --> 00:10:58.379 the least disrespectful people you'll ever meet in your life. Debatable, it was 142 00:10:58.500 --> 00:11:05.450 he's having a teenage moment or her being blunt, but then, but my 143 00:11:05.529 --> 00:11:09.009 question to you is, do you feel like we live in a world and 144 00:11:09.129 --> 00:11:15.169 in a society where there are times and situations where you have to conceal the 145 00:11:15.289 --> 00:11:20.639 fact that you have autism, or do you feel comfortable just kind of letting 146 00:11:20.639 --> 00:11:22.360 everybody know that and embracing that, or, like, what's your I'm just 147 00:11:22.440 --> 00:11:28.919 curious what's you're feeling on that. I feel it's highly important that people know 148 00:11:28.200 --> 00:11:35.029 others with any kind of conditions. Let let the mass market know that we 149 00:11:35.149 --> 00:11:39.909 exist and we're effectively normal. Right aside from our label, we're normal. 150 00:11:39.950 --> 00:11:43.149 I think that that's so critical. Conversely, though, I've feel that personally, 151 00:11:43.149 --> 00:11:48.100 I've been divorced and fired a number of times once my conditions have been 152 00:11:48.179 --> 00:11:54.740 revealed, and I think that those have been used as the quote unquote reasons 153 00:11:54.379 --> 00:12:00.139 for those problems in my life. So yeah, I definitely feel maybe it 154 00:12:00.259 --> 00:12:03.690 just my age on like fifty some generation x, and back in the day 155 00:12:03.690 --> 00:12:07.649 our parents took us to the doctor and if they said, Oh, I 156 00:12:07.730 --> 00:12:11.289 think he's got autism, well that meant I think your kids retarded, and 157 00:12:11.330 --> 00:12:16.120 I'm like what? So my mom and dad, nobody like followed up on 158 00:12:16.200 --> 00:12:18.120 that because they were like, Whoa, he's in the gifted program at school, 159 00:12:18.159 --> 00:12:20.799 so he's definitely not that. So they didn't have a way to deal 160 00:12:20.879 --> 00:12:24.519 with it, so they just put it aside. So, yeah, I 161 00:12:24.600 --> 00:12:28.559 deal with a lot of stigma in general, which is why, like, 162 00:12:28.759 --> 00:12:31.509 I perform under johnny motions instead of my actual name, things like that. 163 00:12:33.950 --> 00:12:37.070 Yeah, yeah, and I we see it like we see that, that 164 00:12:37.269 --> 00:12:39.789 stigma, I mean. But but I think each generation, like it's Sam's 165 00:12:39.830 --> 00:12:43.899 a different generation, right, he's the next after us. Absolutely, and 166 00:12:45.259 --> 00:12:48.940 in it makes a world of a difference. Yeah, I feel like that's 167 00:12:50.019 --> 00:12:54.220 where his that's where his mission is. Yeah, to help people understand. 168 00:12:54.580 --> 00:13:00.769 Look, they have autism. I there. There has been times, and 169 00:13:00.889 --> 00:13:03.289 not a not a lot, but there have been times when people have talked 170 00:13:03.330 --> 00:13:07.929 to me about saying, and I don't even remember it, like the foundation 171 00:13:07.009 --> 00:13:11.490 of the conversation was, but it was almost like, Oh, Sam has 172 00:13:11.529 --> 00:13:18.279 autism, I'm really sorry, like I'm sorry, right, and my come 173 00:13:18.399 --> 00:13:20.600 on. Yeah, and my response a lot of times has been, well, 174 00:13:20.639 --> 00:13:26.159 wait a minute, he has autism. What do you have? Are 175 00:13:26.240 --> 00:13:30.309 you perfect? Oh, this is the that's a whole nother podcast. Right 176 00:13:30.350 --> 00:13:33.789 there, people always looking, especially for those of us who have been diagnosed 177 00:13:33.830 --> 00:13:37.750 with something or treated or are working our problems out right. If we share 178 00:13:37.789 --> 00:13:41.059 those with other people who never go to a therapist or any doctors. They 179 00:13:41.220 --> 00:13:45.220 tend to use that against us, like Oh, well, they're sick, 180 00:13:45.379 --> 00:13:50.419 they're they're broken. I'm like no, no, I'm just acknowledging my existence, 181 00:13:50.580 --> 00:13:54.179 like I'm acknowledging my problems instead of hiding them. Yeah, but I 182 00:13:54.259 --> 00:13:58.850 don't even know, like as far like you said the word normal, that's 183 00:13:58.889 --> 00:14:01.289 not a word at our house. I don't believe in that. I don't 184 00:14:01.330 --> 00:14:03.409 believe. No, honestly, I think we are normal. I mean you 185 00:14:03.490 --> 00:14:07.649 know what I mean, like we fit into normal. Now there's no normal 186 00:14:07.769 --> 00:14:11.200 body. Yeah, why, that's where anything like. So I think everything 187 00:14:11.480 --> 00:14:16.080 is so very it's not heroic, it's normal. Yeah, it's yeah, 188 00:14:16.200 --> 00:14:20.000 Oh, yeah, go ahead, go ahead, now that the thing you're 189 00:14:20.039 --> 00:14:22.519 just talking about too. That'll that brings me to a thing I think about 190 00:14:22.519 --> 00:14:28.629 a lot is the depiction of neurotypicals in the media. Are there any programs 191 00:14:28.669 --> 00:14:35.470 that you see autism represented well, or any that make you cringe especially hard? 192 00:14:37.190 --> 00:14:41.460 I don't really. There was a young man, and I of course 193 00:14:41.500 --> 00:14:46.019 would not say his name because he's pretty well known. He runs, you 194 00:14:46.100 --> 00:14:48.740 know, some autism awareness things and he himself is on the spectrum. So 195 00:14:48.820 --> 00:14:52.740 I would never tell him no, you can't think like that, like I 196 00:14:52.779 --> 00:14:56.889 would never ever do that. But I just he's very, very offended by 197 00:14:56.970 --> 00:15:00.970 the autism puzzle piece and he was, I going to do some work with 198 00:15:01.169 --> 00:15:05.370 this and decided not to because because of the puzzle piece. The puzzle piece 199 00:15:05.769 --> 00:15:09.799 interesting. You know, I'm not willing this. That would be completely up 200 00:15:09.799 --> 00:15:11.519 to say. I'm whether he wanted to change that and he and I had 201 00:15:11.559 --> 00:15:16.399 a conversation with Sam and I said I this is my opinion, but my 202 00:15:16.600 --> 00:15:24.110 opinion is everybody to their own. If the puzzle piece offends him because of, 203 00:15:24.909 --> 00:15:28.190 you know, past history with the puzzle piece, that's fine. But 204 00:15:28.309 --> 00:15:31.669 I can look at that puzzle piece and a different way. I feel like 205 00:15:31.830 --> 00:15:37.100 with that puzzle piece, the floating it's it's a puzzle pieces and everybody's brain 206 00:15:37.500 --> 00:15:41.940 and those puzzle pieces put to are put together to make you, and so 207 00:15:43.779 --> 00:15:48.259 I'm not offended by the puzzle piece and I just I don't take much offense 208 00:15:48.460 --> 00:15:56.169 to anything because everybody views things differently and that's okay. That's yeah, it 209 00:15:56.490 --> 00:16:00.490 is interesting, especially doing like a podcast for the mental health field, for 210 00:16:00.570 --> 00:16:04.440 example. It's really hard to get guessed, because some of them are actually 211 00:16:04.440 --> 00:16:07.240 sick that time, that moment went. I need them on the on the 212 00:16:07.320 --> 00:16:11.519 microphone. They're have an episode. That's hard enough to do, to deal 213 00:16:11.600 --> 00:16:18.990 with. And so there's so this could goes so deep with the threads and 214 00:16:18.070 --> 00:16:22.110 my mind is starting to get boggled. I have like I'm almost to the 215 00:16:22.110 --> 00:16:25.710 point where I'm going to start wearing blindfold over my eyes when I do this. 216 00:16:26.590 --> 00:16:30.149 No, I know, I just it's just such a you know, 217 00:16:30.309 --> 00:16:33.820 with Sam's podcast, a lot of people are like, well, why do 218 00:16:33.860 --> 00:16:36.659 you do this? Like you said, what is your mission? It's that. 219 00:16:37.220 --> 00:16:40.740 It's that is to take that stigma off of when people look at Sam. 220 00:16:40.779 --> 00:16:45.620 Yes, he has autism. It's brain wiring. When he was in 221 00:16:45.700 --> 00:16:48.690 my womb, that is how his brain wired, just like when I was 222 00:16:48.769 --> 00:16:52.690 in my mother's room womb. That's not her room, her womb. This 223 00:16:52.889 --> 00:16:56.970 is how my brain wire and that's it. That's all it is. I 224 00:16:57.169 --> 00:17:03.000 feel like, let's just say they have autism, just like I have a 225 00:17:03.079 --> 00:17:07.319 math disability. Yeah, you don't do a math at all, so I 226 00:17:07.440 --> 00:17:10.160 guess what. Oh, Hey, that that brings it up. Before I 227 00:17:10.240 --> 00:17:15.200 forget this. Do you prefer terms like I have autism, to I am 228 00:17:15.319 --> 00:17:18.269 Autistic, is there? Do have a do you discern between the two? 229 00:17:18.750 --> 00:17:22.109 Yeah, and now what I do like, though, and I find myself 230 00:17:22.230 --> 00:17:26.109 doing this too, but for I always think, I like, I'm not 231 00:17:26.230 --> 00:17:30.500 offended by it if someone says an autistic person. I mean I'm not, 232 00:17:30.779 --> 00:17:33.980 it just happens. But I prefer for people to say, or I say, 233 00:17:34.019 --> 00:17:41.900 a person with autism, because there a person first. Yeah, puzzle 234 00:17:41.940 --> 00:17:45.809 piece. Yeah, it's funny because people bring it up often, because I 235 00:17:47.089 --> 00:17:49.009 like when I'm on social media, I'm kind of me and I don't have 236 00:17:49.170 --> 00:17:53.049 a filter, especially when I can talk from behind my little icon, my 237 00:17:53.130 --> 00:18:00.200 little logo, and people give me statics sometimes about saying don't say they are 238 00:18:00.240 --> 00:18:03.240 autistics, say they have autism, and I'm like that's cool, I'll go 239 00:18:03.319 --> 00:18:04.920 with that. And then I started extending that to other things. I'm like, 240 00:18:06.079 --> 00:18:11.240 oh, he's not fat, he has fat. So I'm like that's 241 00:18:11.319 --> 00:18:15.069 cool, I'm all work with that. So it's factual right. But Anyway, 242 00:18:15.109 --> 00:18:18.509 I get back to the puzzle piece. So you're aware of the band 243 00:18:18.630 --> 00:18:22.710 Iron Maiden Sam. Yeah, but I don't check them out that much. 244 00:18:23.109 --> 00:18:27.460 I'll be okay. They their iconic, mostly fur their obviously their music, 245 00:18:27.539 --> 00:18:32.180 but their arts work. So I ran into the artist who has done all 246 00:18:32.259 --> 00:18:36.819 of their they have a character named Eddie, is a mascot, is like 247 00:18:36.859 --> 00:18:41.730 a decaying corpse face that everyone loves and he's been on their albums since the 248 00:18:41.809 --> 00:18:45.170 very first album and is drawn by a guy named Derek Riggs. So I 249 00:18:45.289 --> 00:18:48.609 was at a comic con and it ran into Derek Riggs and he had this 250 00:18:48.730 --> 00:18:52.490 most amazing shirt. I'm like where did what is what's that all about? 251 00:18:52.970 --> 00:18:57.160 He said I drew this shirt for an autism fundraiser and I'm like, I 252 00:18:57.200 --> 00:19:00.880 gotta have it. So his shirt was it was Badass, Dude. It 253 00:19:02.079 --> 00:19:07.279 was this Rotting Corpse Eddie skull, you know, mascot where at the top 254 00:19:07.359 --> 00:19:11.390 of his head is sliced off, like alluding to a previous album cover, 255 00:19:11.990 --> 00:19:18.710 but his brain was puzzle pieces floating out of his brain turning into butterflies. 256 00:19:21.829 --> 00:19:27.740 That's kind's cool because there's both creepy and hard rock and a perfect attribution to 257 00:19:29.059 --> 00:19:33.140 that. So creepy but so the same time. I'll try to find a 258 00:19:33.180 --> 00:19:36.420 picture of it's not it's not widely released and I'm trying to get ahold of 259 00:19:36.460 --> 00:19:38.009 the guys, so I can get maybe a print of it, but I 260 00:19:38.089 --> 00:19:40.930 do have the teaser. I'm like, well, that's I think it's a 261 00:19:41.130 --> 00:19:42.930 creepy but cool at the same time, and I think that creepy cool. 262 00:19:44.289 --> 00:19:47.089 Creepy right, exactly, creepy cool. I love creepy cool. Being an 263 00:19:47.130 --> 00:19:49.809 English teacher, though, like I can think of so much symbolism and just 264 00:19:51.329 --> 00:19:52.759 you know, like if it starts as a puzzle piece but then it comes 265 00:19:52.759 --> 00:19:59.160 out as a butterfly, that means it's that means it's it came to fruition, 266 00:19:59.200 --> 00:20:03.960 like it evolved. Yeah, evolved and involved like from a cocoon. 267 00:20:03.200 --> 00:20:07.750 So now let's let's spread our wings and let's let them fly, like let's 268 00:20:07.789 --> 00:20:12.430 let people fly, let's let people do absolutely are wonderful things. Yeah, 269 00:20:12.990 --> 00:20:17.430 I saw. Have you seen? There's an interesting movie, one of the 270 00:20:18.390 --> 00:20:22.299 Predator aliens. Predator aliens, one of those kind of sci fi one of 271 00:20:22.339 --> 00:20:26.539 those creatures, resident alien. No, no, it was a from an 272 00:20:26.539 --> 00:20:30.460 old like s s thing and they redid a movie about five years ago. 273 00:20:33.700 --> 00:20:37.049 It was a Lim yeah, I remember. Yeah, and the thing comes 274 00:20:37.089 --> 00:20:42.289 to earth and of course, at the end of the movie The autistic kid 275 00:20:42.410 --> 00:20:47.930 saves the day because he was the only one smart enough to understand alien gibberish. 276 00:20:48.089 --> 00:20:51.160 That was such a great twist at the end. Oh, yeah, 277 00:20:52.160 --> 00:20:55.519 that it was. It's been I've seen that the old alien movies, but 278 00:20:55.759 --> 00:21:00.759 not not anyway. Any movie that ends up with like the person that the 279 00:21:00.880 --> 00:21:03.789 world thought was disabled saving the day, those are my favorite. Yes, 280 00:21:04.630 --> 00:21:07.910 that awesome. That's yeah, absolutely, because, because I feel like, 281 00:21:08.029 --> 00:21:14.869 with you guys, you know, doing your podcast and having conversations and making 282 00:21:14.950 --> 00:21:19.859 people think and really putting it out there that like, look, this stigma 283 00:21:19.980 --> 00:21:23.859 that's been around for a long time, I'm going to be one of the 284 00:21:26.299 --> 00:21:30.180 few people, the people that changes this. Yeah, and I'm going to 285 00:21:30.299 --> 00:21:33.569 work at that. And so right now, in this second, you're both 286 00:21:34.369 --> 00:21:40.410 you're both trying, you're both changing the world. It's like it's just that's 287 00:21:40.529 --> 00:21:44.529 what's happening, and so it is. It's just a beautiful thing. It's 288 00:21:44.569 --> 00:21:47.920 interesting. I don't think of it that way, but I've been beat up 289 00:21:47.960 --> 00:21:49.720 and smashed around in life, so I don't really think anything I do is 290 00:21:49.839 --> 00:21:53.160 important. But when you frame it that way, probably because there are a 291 00:21:53.240 --> 00:21:56.359 lot of people that are going to hear this, yeah, I think beaten 292 00:21:56.400 --> 00:22:02.390 up to, mentally and physically both. I think well from yeah, yeah, 293 00:22:02.869 --> 00:22:06.670 but for sure a decision. I was just going to swipe the pieces 294 00:22:06.710 --> 00:22:08.549 up, I guess. Sweep, sweep the pieces up and change myself. 295 00:22:08.630 --> 00:22:12.390 Then I did. Yeah, yeah, that's exactly what I did. But 296 00:22:12.470 --> 00:22:15.539 it comes and goes, because I also have depression problems. Not sure where 297 00:22:15.539 --> 00:22:18.940 they stem from, but you know, I don't stigmatize myself for that either. 298 00:22:19.059 --> 00:22:23.099 But beam feeling like you don't fit in most of your life and never 299 00:22:23.220 --> 00:22:29.619 having really a proper diagnosis until much later in life, it just just wires 300 00:22:29.660 --> 00:22:32.490 you a different way to see the bad first, and I always have to 301 00:22:32.529 --> 00:22:37.970 be really conscious not to dwell there right, yeah, there's so working on 302 00:22:37.089 --> 00:22:40.930 that. I dwell. Yeah, and every day sometimes. And bad is 303 00:22:40.930 --> 00:22:45.480 so much more powerful than good that it's this critical. We were talking about 304 00:22:45.480 --> 00:22:49.079 grit and perseverance earlier, because we can't eliminate all the bad in life, 305 00:22:49.599 --> 00:22:53.960 and especially when we're super sensitive the way we are like I'm offended most things. 306 00:22:55.039 --> 00:22:57.589 I became a sign maker and a graphic designer when I was young because 307 00:22:57.630 --> 00:23:00.190 I thought the world was ugly. I'd go out in the world like God, 308 00:23:00.230 --> 00:23:03.470 why are these signs so ugly? How come this graphics are so bad? 309 00:23:04.710 --> 00:23:07.549 So that's kind of how I approach everything. So when I think like 310 00:23:07.750 --> 00:23:11.710 HMM, how come no one's telling my story? Oh wait, that's my 311 00:23:11.829 --> 00:23:15.220 job. As you get a mic, write you. And that's what I 312 00:23:15.299 --> 00:23:18.740 was going to say. It makes me so sad to hear you both say 313 00:23:18.380 --> 00:23:22.819 you know, like you know, like what you just said really resonated with 314 00:23:22.980 --> 00:23:25.259 me, like well, I don't feel like what I do is, you 315 00:23:25.299 --> 00:23:29.410 know, important and sometimes, and I feel like that too, like trying 316 00:23:29.450 --> 00:23:32.849 to hold down a fulltime job and you know, it's just a different it's 317 00:23:32.890 --> 00:23:37.369 just a well mindset. I get it, because it's okay, but I 318 00:23:37.650 --> 00:23:41.640 but that makes me really sad because I feel like what both of you are 319 00:23:41.720 --> 00:23:47.480 doing is is, is more powerful than anything I'm doing. Yeah, well, 320 00:23:47.559 --> 00:23:48.359 thank first of all, when you just got to say something now, 321 00:23:48.480 --> 00:23:52.960 please. Yeah, okay, okay, well, thank you first of all. 322 00:23:52.480 --> 00:23:56.630 Second I mean, well, you put this way equation. We all 323 00:23:56.710 --> 00:24:07.990 know that four years is less than fifteen. Obviously, when you've been antisocial 324 00:24:07.069 --> 00:24:11.740 and pushed off to the Cipher fifteen years, that's going to resonate with you. 325 00:24:11.539 --> 00:24:14.779 Yeah, yeah, I'm still trying not to dwaw on it, but 326 00:24:15.259 --> 00:24:17.819 there's at least one moment of a day where I can say, if it 327 00:24:18.099 --> 00:24:22.859 only could have been sooner. Oh right, yeah, like what if? 328 00:24:22.099 --> 00:24:25.730 What if I could have had those years back? But you know, Sam, 329 00:24:25.890 --> 00:24:29.490 honestly, even though I'm like your parentage, or maybe older, I'm 330 00:24:29.529 --> 00:24:33.529 not sure, the feelings don't go away, that feeling we have of not 331 00:24:33.650 --> 00:24:37.930 fitting in and wishing we had some of that time back. But over time 332 00:24:37.089 --> 00:24:41.240 it kind of develops almost like a scar tissue to where you just get tough 333 00:24:41.480 --> 00:24:45.599 about it and keep looking forward. So I think that's cool and you seem 334 00:24:45.640 --> 00:24:48.839 to have that attitude already, so that's great. Mental Scars, not Don 335 00:24:48.960 --> 00:24:53.349 Physical Scars. That a lot of mental scars. Yeah, it's funny and 336 00:24:53.910 --> 00:24:56.710 even though there's things in life that you think, well, I'm never going 337 00:24:56.750 --> 00:25:00.430 to let that happen when I grow up and have kids, and sure enough 338 00:25:00.549 --> 00:25:03.589 the same exact things that I swore I would never let happen to my family 339 00:25:03.789 --> 00:25:08.259 happened. So it's just yeah, it's sometimes it's really maddening, especially when 340 00:25:08.299 --> 00:25:14.140 you think a lot. Like everyone tells me, I overthink, two sensitive 341 00:25:15.220 --> 00:25:17.099 you know. So I just need a way to get that out on my 342 00:25:17.180 --> 00:25:18.859 soul and since I'm not really a churchy kind of person, I figured, 343 00:25:18.940 --> 00:25:22.250 Hey, I'll just talking to a mic and like a podcast confessional. Yeah, 344 00:25:22.849 --> 00:25:26.170 that's this. That's one of the benefits. Is therapetic. That's why 345 00:25:26.170 --> 00:25:29.569 I think I join it. So therapy. Honestly, you know, if 346 00:25:29.609 --> 00:25:33.450 you want a TV shows, I it's kind of interesting. I watch I 347 00:25:33.490 --> 00:25:36.839 don't know why, but I watching a lot of to rely on shed, 348 00:25:37.000 --> 00:25:41.480 mainly because of Corona, but I got interesting detective show, homicide hunter, 349 00:25:41.599 --> 00:25:44.759 and the last episode. Actually watching last episode long and tell you that. 350 00:25:45.119 --> 00:25:48.960 But Anyway, the last episode was he he's been doing a lot. I 351 00:25:48.079 --> 00:25:52.950 think I saw it's joke Kenda. He solved like over eight like two hundred 352 00:25:52.950 --> 00:25:56.990 ninet two cases by having an eight percent. Eight percent of Casey couldn't solve. 353 00:25:56.630 --> 00:26:00.950 One of his episodes was he was the last one. He said that 354 00:26:00.109 --> 00:26:03.900 TV show was his therapy because he didn't want to tell his wife or kids 355 00:26:03.980 --> 00:26:07.539 some of the stuff he managed that. Yeah, I don't want to tell 356 00:26:07.660 --> 00:26:11.740 using the stuff that I had a deal with. Yeah, I mean some 357 00:26:11.859 --> 00:26:14.140 said I don't. I'm just trying to say you from that hurt as a 358 00:26:14.259 --> 00:26:18.539 mother right. So that's why I did this right, right, and I 359 00:26:18.690 --> 00:26:22.289 know that, like I say, Ima's always been really good about talking to 360 00:26:22.369 --> 00:26:25.569 me, but I know what. He knows how protective I am and he 361 00:26:25.609 --> 00:26:30.410 probably doesn't want me to go to jail, but now you can go. 362 00:26:30.490 --> 00:26:37.400 John came about that and I know that, but I just so it's just 363 00:26:37.599 --> 00:26:42.519 so powerful, like what what you guys are doing and and I can see 364 00:26:42.519 --> 00:26:48.029 how it would be therapy. I mean it's extraordinary. Yeah, you get 365 00:26:48.029 --> 00:26:51.069 a lot of bullet that you probably tell you all about. This tis you 366 00:26:51.150 --> 00:26:52.990 crowd came home and cried. You quite an episode on you getting bullied. 367 00:26:53.670 --> 00:26:56.670 I could do. I mean I'm forty five, so I am, you 368 00:26:56.710 --> 00:27:00.900 know, middle aged, and when I was in I started gaining weight when 369 00:27:00.940 --> 00:27:06.500 I was in fourth grade and just have struggled with my life forever, like 370 00:27:06.619 --> 00:27:08.980 it's never going to go away. Like I'm definitely am healthier than I have 371 00:27:10.140 --> 00:27:14.180 been a long time, but I guess, yeah, it does leave scars 372 00:27:14.460 --> 00:27:19.170 and I would yeah, like Corp like horror to this day. And Yeah, 373 00:27:19.250 --> 00:27:25.410 so five years old and I would say I was thirty two or thirty 374 00:27:25.529 --> 00:27:30.720 three when I finally realized, I mean I was a mother of like an 375 00:27:30.799 --> 00:27:37.279 eight year old. I finally realized I did not have the problem. The 376 00:27:37.400 --> 00:27:41.839 people that were being mean to me and torturing me they had the problem. 377 00:27:41.880 --> 00:27:48.230 I was a grown woman and it took that long for me to realize they 378 00:27:48.269 --> 00:27:52.269 were right. Like yeah, just to realize it, and then how much 379 00:27:52.309 --> 00:27:56.509 longer to internalize it, to believe that they weren't right? That's even a 380 00:27:56.630 --> 00:28:00.180 longer hustle. It will and it and it changed me. Like same said, 381 00:28:00.339 --> 00:28:03.980 like I'm, yeah, very defensive person. I've I've had a therapist 382 00:28:04.059 --> 00:28:07.660 before and he said here's so I think that happening. A lot of it 383 00:28:07.220 --> 00:28:11.019 is you have a life coach. We both do. We have a life 384 00:28:11.059 --> 00:28:14.410 coach now, but my therapist want time for several years ago, said it's 385 00:28:14.450 --> 00:28:18.890 almost like you're just ready to pounce, because it's almost like I'm going to 386 00:28:18.970 --> 00:28:23.210 get you before you get me, because they got me, they got me 387 00:28:23.369 --> 00:28:27.400 for a lot of years and I just am always ready. You know, 388 00:28:27.440 --> 00:28:33.119 yeah, somebody. So that's a problem. I've suffered from eating disorders because 389 00:28:33.160 --> 00:28:37.359 of my way and it all stems from so, yeah, I know that 390 00:28:37.759 --> 00:28:41.950 completely, completely get what you guys are saying, but on a different I 391 00:28:41.069 --> 00:28:45.230 can't completely get it because I'm not on the spectrum. Yeah, I don't 392 00:28:45.230 --> 00:28:48.869 say that. I mean I fully under get it, but I always I've 393 00:28:48.950 --> 00:28:52.950 tried, don't say that a Ioways I can relate. You said you have 394 00:28:52.269 --> 00:28:56.339 like you said that you have analyzed. Believe me, I can understand. 395 00:28:56.339 --> 00:28:57.859 It's that's hard. But I don't try to say see, it slipped again, 396 00:28:59.420 --> 00:29:02.700 I can understand it did again. I always trying to say I can 397 00:29:02.819 --> 00:29:07.500 relate, I can never understand or analyzing or gender is she's always say I 398 00:29:07.579 --> 00:29:11.930 can relate because it because a lot of people with like gender issues have the 399 00:29:11.970 --> 00:29:15.049 same problems as autistic people. But I try not say, you know, 400 00:29:15.130 --> 00:29:18.250 I understand what you're going through. Oh, that's the worst. I try. 401 00:29:18.250 --> 00:29:22.250 I say I can relate, though, to your anxiety over because I 402 00:29:22.369 --> 00:29:25.440 hang Zie over Blah, Blah Blah. Or you can try to understand. 403 00:29:25.519 --> 00:29:27.319 Yeah, or I hear you a lot of times people just wanted to be 404 00:29:27.440 --> 00:29:32.119 heard. If you tell him, I hear you right. It sounds a 405 00:29:32.160 --> 00:29:34.240 little cliche and generic, but it often works. Like you said, if 406 00:29:34.240 --> 00:29:41.789 you don't know the right words, for sure, solutely. Yeah, I 407 00:29:41.910 --> 00:29:45.470 got all these questions that what we could. We're bouncing around the correction. 408 00:29:45.589 --> 00:29:48.829 So now I'm like I'm just going like yeah, we've covered that. Would 409 00:29:48.829 --> 00:29:52.500 do this. Just a little bit of editing there. That's good. That's 410 00:29:52.539 --> 00:29:56.700 a fun well, the fun part I like listening to you talk too, 411 00:29:56.740 --> 00:29:59.500 because I'm like, I keep coming up with these new questions I want to 412 00:29:59.539 --> 00:30:04.900 ask. That's a man. Actually hold myself back from interrupting, mostly because 413 00:30:04.940 --> 00:30:08.569 normally I interrupt a lot and my friends get on me. That's what I'm 414 00:30:08.609 --> 00:30:14.049 doing, still like to this day. Yeah, but then when I don't 415 00:30:14.130 --> 00:30:18.930 interrupt and I let others talk, I lose my thought. I'm like, 416 00:30:18.049 --> 00:30:21.250 Oh now, I forgot what was going to ask, that it was really 417 00:30:21.289 --> 00:30:23.599 important my I think it's kind of the same way, except I don't lose 418 00:30:23.640 --> 00:30:26.480 the thought, I just don't get the chance. So I'm like, all 419 00:30:26.480 --> 00:30:27.920 right, I'm going to tell these people snarize, I'm not getting this chance. 420 00:30:29.440 --> 00:30:32.640 Yeah, right, get it out there. Yeah, he's I think 421 00:30:32.720 --> 00:30:37.190 that's kind of where some of the communication issues have come with Sam, like 422 00:30:37.390 --> 00:30:38.829 from time to time, he's been an elementary school all the way kind of 423 00:30:38.869 --> 00:30:41.710 to high school. He would always tell me and I saw it. I 424 00:30:41.789 --> 00:30:45.109 mean I was. I was. I was his English teacher and and I 425 00:30:45.269 --> 00:30:48.309 was in the same school system, still in you know that he's in. 426 00:30:48.829 --> 00:30:53.019 And so I would see people, not necessarily being mean to Sam, but 427 00:30:53.259 --> 00:30:59.660 not not asking him to join. They shunned them. Oh Yeah, did 428 00:30:59.740 --> 00:31:00.980 not. It's the worst. Yes, and so, yeah, like, 429 00:31:02.099 --> 00:31:04.769 Oh my God, just at least the give it the get. He probably 430 00:31:04.809 --> 00:31:11.930 at some point tried to enter the conversation. In their mind it was quirky. 431 00:31:11.450 --> 00:31:14.849 It was Oh yeah, weird, it's me. They were like, 432 00:31:14.930 --> 00:31:18.569 okay, we're gonna on to do with that. So that Jip followed him 433 00:31:18.680 --> 00:31:22.359 and that broke my heart. Like that's what I saw, as I remember 434 00:31:22.599 --> 00:31:26.559 like exactly those visions, like the very moment that I got picked last for 435 00:31:26.640 --> 00:31:32.950 kickball or the very moment that I got last pick for the square dancing in 436 00:31:33.109 --> 00:31:36.990 fourth grade. Mean, I just all those things and man, if someone 437 00:31:37.150 --> 00:31:40.470 just would have told me I had a different condition, I would understand. 438 00:31:40.549 --> 00:31:42.549 But I grew up most of my life thinking I was just freaking weird, 439 00:31:42.710 --> 00:31:45.750 and I'm like what, I don't understand. What does that even mean? 440 00:31:45.789 --> 00:31:49.460 Wh I'm just weird? How? What? So it's troubling. The flip 441 00:31:49.500 --> 00:31:52.619 side. Yeah, and I can. I don't know. I think weird's 442 00:31:52.700 --> 00:31:56.980 good. I well, but back then they was like weird, like no, 443 00:31:56.140 --> 00:32:00.099 we don't like you, you're weird in a dicky way. And I'm 444 00:32:00.140 --> 00:32:02.450 like, well, I get I get that you're saying that because everybody's calls 445 00:32:02.490 --> 00:32:06.529 me that, but I don't understand why you think I'm weird. I'm not 446 00:32:06.650 --> 00:32:09.609 trying to say I'm trying to get people to learness off, because I'm not 447 00:32:09.690 --> 00:32:14.450 gonna lie. We are kind of we're yeah, we're different than they are, 448 00:32:14.609 --> 00:32:17.640 that's for sure, but who cares? But right, exactly, in 449 00:32:17.759 --> 00:32:20.880 the grand scheme of things, that's a good thing. Right, yeah, 450 00:32:21.119 --> 00:32:23.359 but on the flip side of that, Yep, I'm weird. Oh Heck, 451 00:32:23.359 --> 00:32:27.480 yeah, you're really weird. You try either shoot dancy, break your 452 00:32:27.480 --> 00:32:29.920 back? Yeah, well, it's yeah, and it takes a truly weird 453 00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:32.670 person to hang out with normal folks like us. So, yeah, exactly. 454 00:32:34.150 --> 00:32:37.309 That is the best thing I've heard you say, that it takes weird 455 00:32:37.470 --> 00:32:40.269 people to hang out with normal people like you guys, but there's no normal. 456 00:32:40.509 --> 00:32:44.500 Well, I see what. I see what you're thinking. Now we're 457 00:32:44.539 --> 00:32:46.779 throwing around labels. I'm going to steal the normal one while no one's looking. 458 00:32:47.220 --> 00:32:52.500 What if, if, just let's just go out on a laying here 459 00:32:52.779 --> 00:32:55.980 and say if there was a word normal, let's just say that for just 460 00:32:57.099 --> 00:32:59.289 a second, that you thought that. Nope, not doing it. But 461 00:32:59.369 --> 00:33:05.130 I mean, just for example Sake, what if you guys were considered normal 462 00:33:06.130 --> 00:33:09.210 and I wasn't? Why not? I think that's the way it used to 463 00:33:09.250 --> 00:33:13.240 be. Yeah, I think the days of the Greeks and people in they 464 00:33:13.240 --> 00:33:15.920 used to wear robes and stand on the stairs of the Acropolis. I think 465 00:33:15.960 --> 00:33:22.079 we were the rulers, I think I think people that think commonly were the 466 00:33:22.200 --> 00:33:27.509 commoners and I think we ruled stuff. I completely and you know, these 467 00:33:27.630 --> 00:33:30.230 people that have brain wiring, that Matt, that you know, you guys 468 00:33:30.309 --> 00:33:35.309 like fall on the spectrum that they call autism. People in Wall Street, 469 00:33:35.789 --> 00:33:40.430 people in Silicone Valley, people that work for Amazon, I guarantee you, 470 00:33:40.900 --> 00:33:45.740 some of the richest richest people in the world, the most successful people because 471 00:33:45.779 --> 00:33:50.940 of how they think, our own spectrum. Guarantee it. Oh, I 472 00:33:50.980 --> 00:33:54.019 can get you too, Yep. But also, conversely, some are craven 473 00:33:54.180 --> 00:33:58.970 sociopaths as well. Absolutely, I think it just takes an intense kind of 474 00:33:59.009 --> 00:34:01.890 person to be really successful. Whether you're intensely like us, think a lot, 475 00:34:02.410 --> 00:34:07.730 think oddly, think differently, or if you're intensely like just a sociopath 476 00:34:07.769 --> 00:34:09.400 and don't care about other humans, you can climb on top of humans to 477 00:34:09.440 --> 00:34:12.719 get propped up. I count comes with that, with might determination. You 478 00:34:12.760 --> 00:34:15.880 don't understand how to determine to get something done. I always say, like 479 00:34:15.360 --> 00:34:17.559 I say I'm gonna do it, I'm doing it here. You're not stopping 480 00:34:17.599 --> 00:34:20.840 me. I say I'm going to leave this house tomorrow. I'm leaving the 481 00:34:20.920 --> 00:34:24.710 House that, Dude. That's why I'm still doing this Goddamn podcasting thing. 482 00:34:24.829 --> 00:34:29.349 No offense to by Jesus believers, but I told people I was going to 483 00:34:29.550 --> 00:34:34.989 like be famous one day and I can't let it go. I just about 484 00:34:35.110 --> 00:34:37.309 as period, and look what happened. Right. And I'm and when people 485 00:34:37.309 --> 00:34:39.260 say, Oh, what about that one thing you're going to do, I'm 486 00:34:39.260 --> 00:34:42.900 like, yeah, I'm fucking still working on dude. That's why I'm so 487 00:34:43.059 --> 00:34:45.739 busy. I'm like working on that thing I promised I would do in third 488 00:34:45.780 --> 00:34:49.059 grade. I think I swore I would do in eleventh grade. Yeah, 489 00:34:49.260 --> 00:34:52.059 that's how I am too. I think probably we're saying really gets it from 490 00:34:52.099 --> 00:34:55.489 my husband and I both are like very determine people and when we start something, 491 00:34:55.570 --> 00:34:58.889 it's from you hard to let it go. So that's great. Well, 492 00:34:58.929 --> 00:35:01.610 Hey, I'm gonna I'M gonna have to hop off here into a little 493 00:35:01.610 --> 00:35:05.130 bit of work, but I'm going to let you guys count talking whatever you 494 00:35:05.170 --> 00:35:07.199 want to do. But he was very, very yeah, talk to you. 495 00:35:08.159 --> 00:35:10.239 Yeah, thanks for joining us. You know, I appreciate the the 496 00:35:10.599 --> 00:35:14.800 support you give Sam, especially because not all of us have a support team 497 00:35:14.840 --> 00:35:17.000 and you're a great cheerlead form. So I appreciate that and thanks for doing 498 00:35:17.039 --> 00:35:20.719 all a lot of the hard work that we just don't like to do, 499 00:35:21.429 --> 00:35:24.030 like reaching out to the public and weird stuff like that. That makes a 500 00:35:24.070 --> 00:35:27.829 lot because we wouldn't have hooked up like Sam and I wouldn't be talking right 501 00:35:27.829 --> 00:35:30.949 now if you weren't out there hustling. So thank you. Yeah, you're 502 00:35:30.949 --> 00:35:34.349 very welcome and if SAM doesn't get this in, I want to one more 503 00:35:34.389 --> 00:35:37.860 time say you know, thinks all of our sponsors. But secondly I will 504 00:35:37.940 --> 00:35:45.780 I want to say his website, www and rollscom has everything on it to 505 00:35:45.900 --> 00:35:51.929 where people can follow him and jump on his services and merchandise and all that 506 00:35:52.130 --> 00:35:54.449 stuff. So, yeah, can you read a list of your sponsors real 507 00:35:54.449 --> 00:35:58.809 quick, just one more time so we can capsulate it. So we have 508 00:35:59.570 --> 00:36:04.880 wellspring pain solutions, perfection, auto glass, perfection auto glass, a lot. 509 00:36:04.920 --> 00:36:09.639 Forty five. So, forty five, commercial service, Commercial Service, 510 00:36:12.199 --> 00:36:17.630 the Green County General Hospital in Linton, Indiana. Oh, there's more, 511 00:36:19.510 --> 00:36:27.510 Steve Miller, CPA tax service. That's important. Oh Yeah, here we 512 00:36:27.590 --> 00:36:38.059 go, Bell's. Bell's built automotive in Salisbury Indiana. Life paths counseling in 513 00:36:38.219 --> 00:36:44.460 Bloomington Indiana. Is have a lot of sponsors. Good job, I think 514 00:36:44.500 --> 00:36:46.610 we got him. Yeah, that's it. And he shoutouts in particular that 515 00:36:46.650 --> 00:36:51.610 aren't necessarily sponsors. No, not that I can I actually. Yeah, 516 00:36:51.650 --> 00:36:55.769 we courtney collision on one of our friends got in. Allison Callison, excuse 517 00:36:55.849 --> 00:37:00.840 me, got a right from drunk driving and she got really banged up. 518 00:37:00.880 --> 00:37:05.119 So we're trying to trying to get a go fund meet page going. Yeah, 519 00:37:05.360 --> 00:37:08.400 Norley Cart you said her last name was collision. That was a slip, 520 00:37:08.519 --> 00:37:14.119 right. Yeah, Pretty, Oh God, I was. Yeah, 521 00:37:14.239 --> 00:37:16.710 Nice One, Dude, nice one. I was even intentional. Right, 522 00:37:16.869 --> 00:37:20.789 and just to confirm, she was not the drinker, right, right, 523 00:37:21.510 --> 00:37:23.110 Oh God, that was that. I feel like a terrible person. Oh 524 00:37:23.190 --> 00:37:25.630 God, Oh, you're a great person. You just helped out a friend 525 00:37:25.670 --> 00:37:30.139 by promoting her go fund me page. So I'm sure once she gets to 526 00:37:30.179 --> 00:37:35.820 link up there, look for it on Sam's website. Intended there. That 527 00:37:35.940 --> 00:37:37.300 was a perfect dude, that that was the best guy, because you didn't 528 00:37:37.300 --> 00:37:40.340 realize it. I love it. The best thing I've ever heard. There's 529 00:37:40.380 --> 00:37:45.289 subtle, all right, if you get on his website to he has a 530 00:37:45.769 --> 00:37:49.050 page of appearances and his guest list and that's kind of cool to see. 531 00:37:49.170 --> 00:37:52.449 So yeah, but thank you for having me on here to you keep doing 532 00:37:52.730 --> 00:37:58.369 just the fabulous things you're doing and always remember that you are very, very 533 00:37:58.409 --> 00:38:01.480 important to this world. I appreciate that absolutely, you and Sam bonker. 534 00:38:01.639 --> 00:38:06.519 So we'll be in touch though. Okay, cool, I appreciate you. 535 00:38:06.679 --> 00:38:10.400 Thanks, I am thank you. Oh, and I guess you can talk 536 00:38:10.400 --> 00:38:15.469 about this side. Did a Ted talk recently. No kidding. How'd that 537 00:38:15.590 --> 00:38:19.550 go? That went great. Actually, a lot of other MOM's APHRAS did. 538 00:38:19.670 --> 00:38:23.309 One kids was about a disease that like really affected her life, well 539 00:38:23.349 --> 00:38:28.659 as not having should grow like grow beef and by beef vocally instead of that 540 00:38:28.780 --> 00:38:30.739 like a grocery store and buy like I owed in, or, you know, 541 00:38:30.900 --> 00:38:34.860 like a local store instead of a like a yeah, yeah, I 542 00:38:34.860 --> 00:38:37.179 approach, I grow. Yeah, what do you? One was about Inter 543 00:38:37.340 --> 00:38:42.329 beauty and then one was about bill of rights. So why it's important to 544 00:38:42.449 --> 00:38:45.210 us. Mom was about autism, of course, but it was about why 545 00:38:45.210 --> 00:38:52.610 autistic people need structure. Yeah, I agree. No, it's interesting about 546 00:38:52.610 --> 00:38:55.800 that too, is I really don't like authority at all, but I really 547 00:38:55.840 --> 00:39:00.639 love structure. And so many people confuse those two. Because if you just 548 00:39:00.800 --> 00:39:04.519 tell me what the plan is, dates and times, cool, I'll nail 549 00:39:04.519 --> 00:39:07.840 it. If you want to come in and start bossing that round, oh 550 00:39:07.920 --> 00:39:10.349 it's a pain in the ass. What's that? What's the first part? 551 00:39:10.349 --> 00:39:13.550 You said? I said, if you tell me what to do step by 552 00:39:13.630 --> 00:39:15.750 step, then it's a pain in the ass. Oh Yeah, don't micromanage 553 00:39:15.829 --> 00:39:20.469 me, don't hover, don't stick around watching me do what you just said, 554 00:39:20.869 --> 00:39:22.230 because I I'm an adult, I can figure out how to do it. 555 00:39:23.110 --> 00:39:27.019 Yeah, that so give me structure any day. I don't need I 556 00:39:27.300 --> 00:39:30.099 don't need authority. May Go stalk the shelves. Okay, tight, I 557 00:39:30.179 --> 00:39:32.820 can probably do that easily. I'll stock in my might period. I mean, 558 00:39:34.380 --> 00:39:37.179 Yep, that's structure. You just expect means be there. Just you 559 00:39:37.380 --> 00:39:39.090 my thing. Okay, Yep, great, Yep, I actually have common 560 00:39:39.130 --> 00:39:43.250 sense and I can stalk a shelf. And is there anything I should not 561 00:39:43.329 --> 00:39:45.809 stop? Anything? I need to know before we get started? Okay, 562 00:39:45.969 --> 00:39:49.530 cool, I'm going. So, yeah, structure, for sure. How 563 00:39:49.610 --> 00:39:52.289 did your performance come out? Was it? Did you feel like you were 564 00:39:52.289 --> 00:39:54.639 putting on a show? Oh, yeah, we had your virtual because of 565 00:39:54.960 --> 00:39:58.760 Covid, obviously. Yeah, but it was a good show. We had 566 00:39:58.800 --> 00:40:04.039 like over a hundred people show up. Wow, that's incredible. How did 567 00:40:04.039 --> 00:40:06.400 you feel when you were done? Did you feel like you hit all the 568 00:40:06.480 --> 00:40:09.150 point you meant to hit? Yeah, felt pretty good. We are good. 569 00:40:09.269 --> 00:40:13.949 Are Actually, here's a good thing. We are friends with Simon the 570 00:40:13.989 --> 00:40:17.389 Jumdar, who was a guest on my pod cast, but he's also like 571 00:40:17.789 --> 00:40:22.699 the like the iron chef judge for cutthroat kitchen guys grocery games. Oh Yeah, 572 00:40:22.739 --> 00:40:24.780 yeah, I don't know that, Dude. Yeah, I had them 573 00:40:24.860 --> 00:40:30.099 on because he placed for artistic charities killer, and he came on to meet, 574 00:40:31.340 --> 00:40:34.900 not meet me, but because he knows me more his friend, but 575 00:40:35.099 --> 00:40:39.289 to me, my mom's students and he he he was late because he had 576 00:40:39.329 --> 00:40:43.809 another event, but he hopped out the last minute and talked to the students 577 00:40:43.849 --> 00:40:45.170 for a little bit, even me for a little while, even though we're 578 00:40:45.250 --> 00:40:52.239 friends. Yeah, yeah, that's super cool. Gotta love that. Yeah, 579 00:40:52.360 --> 00:40:55.679 that was it was a good day that day. Honestly, does it 580 00:40:55.719 --> 00:41:01.760 get nerve racking? Do Are you the odd guy? Don't. I don't 581 00:41:01.800 --> 00:41:07.309 get nervous ass and I public speak. I think if I do or not, 582 00:41:07.469 --> 00:41:10.309 people think I'm an extrovert, but I really think I'm just kind of 583 00:41:10.429 --> 00:41:15.469 a spazzy introvert, like I like being in my own head, but I 584 00:41:15.510 --> 00:41:17.940 can't. I break, like I crack and some of it seeps out, 585 00:41:19.139 --> 00:41:22.019 like I I can relate to that. But yeah, public speaking's always in 586 00:41:22.099 --> 00:41:24.579 my thing. Really, you know? Yeah, you like it, Oh, 587 00:41:24.659 --> 00:41:28.860 I love it. It's here's the deal's Guy, was a structure to 588 00:41:29.300 --> 00:41:34.090 like. If I say word by word, then I hate it or it's 589 00:41:34.130 --> 00:41:37.769 not as fun, but you're trying to write some notes out and elaborate your 590 00:41:37.929 --> 00:41:44.610 way, okay, and I'm like, okay, note one, bicycle number 591 00:41:44.730 --> 00:41:47.239 one, note number two. You know, that's why I like about it. 592 00:41:47.519 --> 00:41:50.719 Yeah, I kind of do that with podcast. I hit like three 593 00:41:50.760 --> 00:41:53.400 points that I want to get just ahead of time in my research. I'm 594 00:41:53.440 --> 00:41:57.960 three things I'm really curious about, and then the rest I kind of let 595 00:41:58.119 --> 00:42:00.869 go. I like a natural conversation. I used to. I started the 596 00:42:00.909 --> 00:42:04.949 podcast with one guy and he said, okay, well, when are we 597 00:42:05.070 --> 00:42:07.230 going to sit down? and I write the INTRO. I'm like, what 598 00:42:07.869 --> 00:42:09.429 the fuck you talking about? Write the INTRO. We're just talking so I 599 00:42:09.510 --> 00:42:13.429 could know we got to like write something out. I'm like no, not 600 00:42:13.590 --> 00:42:15.630 at no, we don't at all. Yeah, we'll drive me nut. 601 00:42:15.710 --> 00:42:19.059 Thing too, when I make an episode, you see, I I type, 602 00:42:19.139 --> 00:42:23.139 I say like like I'll be like autistic people need structure and that stuff. 603 00:42:23.139 --> 00:42:25.539 I'll make a statement. Then I do say that in move lots on, 604 00:42:25.619 --> 00:42:30.769 like owes many structure. For these reasons. Why one want they blah 605 00:42:31.010 --> 00:42:36.730 to Blah Blah three blocks, like they need structure of one Blah Blah Blah. 606 00:42:37.050 --> 00:42:38.329 But this is why blah blah, blah, blah, Blah Blah Blah. 607 00:42:38.849 --> 00:42:43.690 Yep, you need some freedom to like be yourself within the confines of 608 00:42:43.730 --> 00:42:46.639 the structure. Yes, these are a lot harder for me, but I've 609 00:42:46.679 --> 00:42:50.719 learning to get more structure with those. But while I was trying to do 610 00:42:50.840 --> 00:42:53.719 with interviews is I always try my best to do a follow up, follow 611 00:42:53.760 --> 00:42:57.840 up question. It's like I'd do this original us. So it's like, 612 00:42:57.920 --> 00:43:01.670 so how did you become the manage at our school? And but did that 613 00:43:01.750 --> 00:43:05.869 help you in any way? You know, yeah, that's a good way 614 00:43:05.869 --> 00:43:08.349 to do it on the other side of the microphone. Did you feel any 615 00:43:08.349 --> 00:43:14.179 apprehension about coming on a podcast like this where I did not have any questions? 616 00:43:14.260 --> 00:43:15.940 So, like, if I would have given you questions in advance, 617 00:43:15.980 --> 00:43:19.500 would that have been helpful? Or is it fun this way? No, 618 00:43:19.940 --> 00:43:22.780 it's it's good either way. We're pretty laid back. I don't care. 619 00:43:22.860 --> 00:43:25.780 But I enjoy those, honestly, a lot more because we can talk about 620 00:43:25.780 --> 00:43:30.210 what we want. You get to know them and more personal, you know. 621 00:43:30.489 --> 00:43:31.690 Yeah, right, and I didn't want to go in with an agenda 622 00:43:31.849 --> 00:43:35.690 because I am a truly curious person. I just wanted to see, like, 623 00:43:35.769 --> 00:43:38.050 whatever you say, I want to like dig deeper into that thing. 624 00:43:38.210 --> 00:43:43.719 You know. Yeah, yeah, very cool. What do you have hobbies 625 00:43:43.760 --> 00:43:47.440 outside of podcasting, like what keeps you busy, what fills your structure during 626 00:43:47.480 --> 00:43:52.239 the day, aside from podcasting the Hey farcel horse. Yeah, well, 627 00:43:52.320 --> 00:43:55.230 that's just plus. That works you out. That like will drain you physically 628 00:43:55.269 --> 00:43:59.909 after all day. Yet best great, but where it's a lot harder to 629 00:44:00.030 --> 00:44:04.190 get drained. But when you like me, I'll do a lot in the 630 00:44:04.230 --> 00:44:06.429 winter. Were pretty laid back in the winter. But I mean, reese 631 00:44:06.510 --> 00:44:08.989 and I love escape rooms. That's another thing I love to do. Who 632 00:44:09.019 --> 00:44:16.739 Are you? Good? Our record is, let's see, we only escape 633 00:44:16.780 --> 00:44:21.860 two times, mom and I though those things are hard. Oh yeah, 634 00:44:21.940 --> 00:44:23.769 they're hard, Ma'am at. They're fun, totally do. You go with 635 00:44:23.849 --> 00:44:28.849 the same crew of people, like a same group of friends sometimes, but 636 00:44:29.010 --> 00:44:31.690 we like to mix it up sometimes just it's mainly my mother and I nice. 637 00:44:31.929 --> 00:44:35.530 Those are fun. Anybody that hasn't been to an escape room has to 638 00:44:35.570 --> 00:44:37.719 try the all they got right, they got try one at least. I 639 00:44:37.840 --> 00:44:40.880 mean yeah, yeah, because it's really trippy feeling like, Oh man, 640 00:44:40.920 --> 00:44:45.159 because it really feels like you got to escape. So it definitely does. 641 00:44:45.280 --> 00:44:50.280 Yeah, it's that feeling like in if you've ever done laser tag in one 642 00:44:50.280 --> 00:44:52.710 of those indoor laser tag places, it gets your adrenaline pumping as if you 643 00:44:52.750 --> 00:44:58.750 were really being shot at. Exactly. That's then. That's why I it's 644 00:44:58.789 --> 00:45:01.429 so structure to I mean and the rooms, oh my goodness, you know, 645 00:45:01.510 --> 00:45:04.190 you kind of want to like be in the room. You want to 646 00:45:04.230 --> 00:45:07.860 have an hungry underground dungeon your room. Yeah, and if they're so thoroughly 647 00:45:07.219 --> 00:45:10.820 decorated and full of stuff, I'm like, Whoa, even if it's not 648 00:45:12.059 --> 00:45:14.699 the stuff that I need to get out of the room, I'm just curious 649 00:45:14.739 --> 00:45:19.179 looking at all this stuff. I am too man. Oh, that that's 650 00:45:19.380 --> 00:45:21.769 mom. Yeah, that would be fun. It would be fun to have 651 00:45:21.809 --> 00:45:24.449 the kind of money to create your own Escape Room Company. You. Oh, 652 00:45:24.570 --> 00:45:28.050 no, be fun. Oh, I thank you. That for a 653 00:45:28.050 --> 00:45:30.369 job every day. That would be my dream job right there. Yeah, 654 00:45:30.369 --> 00:45:34.210 would it be fun? Like all kind of gadgets and just weird stuff and 655 00:45:34.329 --> 00:45:38.440 storylines that you could develop. And then saw another hobby. I guess I 656 00:45:38.480 --> 00:45:44.000 could talk about it, as I'm enjoy a travel another on potential careers. 657 00:45:44.280 --> 00:45:46.880 Not really like to travel the world. That's my eyes, kind of fun 658 00:45:46.960 --> 00:45:50.429 and be fun but kind of bland at the same time, which is odd. 659 00:45:50.469 --> 00:45:53.949 But I want to help people find their destinations, like if you're going 660 00:45:53.989 --> 00:45:58.349 to come to Bloomington Anyada. I would tip what would be fun and what 661 00:45:58.510 --> 00:46:00.550 fun things in Blueton. Aniata and let's they never been a blooming ten, 662 00:46:01.110 --> 00:46:05.099 but I find some I never heard I've been blooming oh my goodness, to 663 00:46:05.179 --> 00:46:08.139 me that's extremely fun and a great time for me. Honestly, who that 664 00:46:08.260 --> 00:46:12.380 does sound fun. I think one of my dreams is along those lines, 665 00:46:12.420 --> 00:46:15.059 whereas I would like to have a podcast where I drive around in one of 666 00:46:15.059 --> 00:46:20.929 those fancy sprinter vans with the podcast studio and a bed in the kitchen and 667 00:46:21.130 --> 00:46:23.329 just get to the new town and like, okay, here I am, 668 00:46:23.969 --> 00:46:28.489 what's there to do? All that would be. That would be a good 669 00:46:28.570 --> 00:46:31.289 idea. Actually, it would be a black pot. It would have just 670 00:46:31.489 --> 00:46:35.400 the structure I need. It would give me the freedom I love to travel 671 00:46:35.440 --> 00:46:38.599 around and then somehow eventually come back home and park the van and do some 672 00:46:38.840 --> 00:46:42.599 podcast editing. But you could do it all from the road. I think. 673 00:46:42.639 --> 00:46:45.480 Could just require a quite a bit of money to buy the van that 674 00:46:45.519 --> 00:46:49.309 I would like. Fred, you sleep in a hotels. I mean cost 675 00:46:49.349 --> 00:46:52.510 a lot of money, but hey, if it yeah, you and what 676 00:46:52.789 --> 00:46:55.309 or do do it. I stopping you. I couldn't do it myself. 677 00:46:57.110 --> 00:47:00.710 I'm not that branch, but they've got the money do it. Yeah, 678 00:47:00.750 --> 00:47:04.019 that would be fun. I've seen that. One of my favorite youtube channels 679 00:47:04.019 --> 00:47:09.260 is hobos that hop on trains and ride trains illegally across America. It's amazing. 680 00:47:10.820 --> 00:47:16.650 Not Regular people trains, just you know, cargo trains and they ride 681 00:47:16.690 --> 00:47:21.170 for free all across America just the video tape with the Youtube can't with their 682 00:47:21.369 --> 00:47:27.929 go pros. It's fascinating and yeah, I mean that would be a good 683 00:47:27.969 --> 00:47:30.760 time. I have me. So, Dude, is there anything I could 684 00:47:30.760 --> 00:47:36.000 do to help you promote your podcast? I'm obviously I'm going to promote this 685 00:47:36.119 --> 00:47:38.360 episode and talk about it and stuff like that. I got you. So 686 00:47:38.519 --> 00:47:42.920 if you want to find me more fter you learn about me, you can 687 00:47:42.960 --> 00:47:46.070 find me on pod being, Youtube, spotify, apple, podcast, soundclouds. 688 00:47:46.110 --> 00:47:52.829 That sure linkedin all the good ones, and that's autism. Rocks and 689 00:47:52.989 --> 00:47:57.909 Rollscom will probably lead you to any of those links anyway. Right, it 690 00:47:58.070 --> 00:48:02.340 does all the important ones. Nice and what do you look forward to the 691 00:48:02.460 --> 00:48:07.059 next several podcast of yours? Like by the time this one? I'll probably 692 00:48:07.059 --> 00:48:10.699 put this one out tonight, so late February. Do you have some idea 693 00:48:10.739 --> 00:48:15.690 of what kind of guests you would like coming up on your show? That's 694 00:48:15.730 --> 00:48:19.130 my mom Shob, my editor's job, so I'm pretty show with whoever, 695 00:48:19.730 --> 00:48:22.969 but I got a lot of ideas. All that you must tune in in 696 00:48:22.090 --> 00:48:27.130 the future. You gotta tune in to find out. Yes, sir, 697 00:48:27.960 --> 00:48:29.960 love it, man, will say, I'm I appreciate you, dude. 698 00:48:30.000 --> 00:48:34.039 I look forward to getting some feedback from our audience on your appearance here, 699 00:48:34.079 --> 00:48:37.239 and you're always welcome to come back if you've got something more to talk about, 700 00:48:37.440 --> 00:48:39.760 and I'm sure you always do. What me back back in the Holler. 701 00:48:39.840 --> 00:48:43.789 I'm available, man. I will do that and, like I said, 702 00:48:43.789 --> 00:48:45.349 I was telling your mom I normally don't have guests because they're just a 703 00:48:45.389 --> 00:48:47.989 pain in the ASS, but you're not a pain in the ass at all, 704 00:48:49.070 --> 00:48:52.110 so it was funny. Be Nice to check in with somebody once in 705 00:48:52.190 --> 00:48:55.579 a while. Yes, sir. All right then, we'll enjoy the rest 706 00:48:55.579 --> 00:48:59.940 of your weekend and I'll look forward to talking to you. I'll share this 707 00:49:00.059 --> 00:49:05.340 link with you when I'm finished every game and check it out yourself. All 708 00:49:05.340 --> 00:49:07.260 right, thank you again. You have a good day now. Thanks Sam. 709 00:49:07.300 --> 00:49:10.530 We'll talk to you soon, buddy, bye bye, bye bye. 710 00:49:45.710 --> 00:49:46.789 And now back to the wall.