Anti-Psychiatry and Medical Language Models, Bipolar Style

WEBVTT 1 00:00:05.240 --> 00:00:10.189 Welcome back to by polar style, the podcast for by polar people and those 2 00:00:10.230 --> 00:00:20.629 who love them. Join US online at by polar stylecom Johnny motion. Okay, 3 00:00:20.750 --> 00:00:23.980 now a brand start ticking. It's also interesting. I was really angry 4 00:00:24.620 --> 00:00:28.179 when I first got home and then when it came down here to the office, 5 00:00:28.219 --> 00:00:31.539 I'm still pretty angry, like, yeah, why don't I have to 6 00:00:31.579 --> 00:00:35.179 go to a podcast? Ridiculous, why can I just relax? And the 7 00:00:35.219 --> 00:00:37.770 answer is, of course, well, I can't relax, but to be 8 00:00:37.969 --> 00:00:44.890 having the structure over time is more relaxing than just quitting things and trying to 9 00:00:44.890 --> 00:00:47.770 figure out what else to do next. So try to do the podcast with 10 00:00:47.890 --> 00:00:52.520 some regularity and anyway got back to this. So here's the new thing, 11 00:00:53.079 --> 00:00:57.960 and this might actually be the gist of the podcast. So let me let 12 00:00:58.000 --> 00:01:04.549 me enter the podcast through that. Hey, welcome back to bipolar style. 13 00:01:04.989 --> 00:01:11.310 I'm Johnny Motions and today, this week, we're going to talk about wide 14 00:01:11.629 --> 00:01:18.390 strange world of Anti Psychiatry. Are you ready for this? All right, 15 00:01:19.099 --> 00:01:23.060 so we have my facebook live stream folks with us. If I interrupt the 16 00:01:23.099 --> 00:01:26.140 podcast to answer questions, I'll try to keep that succinct and to the point. 17 00:01:26.180 --> 00:01:30.219 Points and for facebook live people. You can always check this out in 18 00:01:30.340 --> 00:01:36.769 a few days at bipolar stylecom and we're also on itunes and stitcher and Google 19 00:01:36.810 --> 00:01:41.170 play and maybe spotify in a couple days too. I heart radio, whatever, 20 00:01:41.250 --> 00:01:46.250 all those normal places that you find podcast. So Anti Psychiatry? What? 21 00:01:46.569 --> 00:01:49.239 What is this? Okay, so I was kind of kind of tripped 22 00:01:49.239 --> 00:01:55.159 into this situation on twitter. Of course there's a guy who's like commenting, 23 00:01:55.159 --> 00:01:57.879 or a Gal, I don't know. He's like me on twitter, hides 24 00:01:57.920 --> 00:02:02.590 behind a memes, I don't really know. You know gender, but this 25 00:02:02.750 --> 00:02:08.270 started, you know, poking questions and then, fuck, I think he 26 00:02:08.389 --> 00:02:14.030 was commenting on one of these stories I shared. Like typically in the morning 27 00:02:14.030 --> 00:02:17.060 when I get ready, I go downstairs and have some breakfast and look on 28 00:02:17.139 --> 00:02:22.819 the IPAD through flipboard. It's pretty cool APP, and I subscribe to all 29 00:02:22.860 --> 00:02:27.900 kinds of interesting mental health news and psychology reports and science reports and things like 30 00:02:27.979 --> 00:02:31.810 that, and I share those stories kind of randomly HAP hazard. They don't 31 00:02:31.849 --> 00:02:36.210 really give it much that I just think they're interesting when I read them say 32 00:02:36.250 --> 00:02:38.090 hey, maybe, maybe you'll dig it. So then I could go back 33 00:02:38.090 --> 00:02:42.250 and reference it later to if I wanted to reread it. I'll just check 34 00:02:42.330 --> 00:02:49.080 my own stream anyway. And Aunti, psychiatry guy, replied to one of 35 00:02:49.120 --> 00:02:53.240 these and I was trying to reply in kinds because, well, here's the 36 00:02:53.360 --> 00:02:59.669 thing with psychiatry and psychology in general. So for those that are new to 37 00:02:59.830 --> 00:03:06.909 bipolar and mental health in general, psychiatry is the MD who prescribes the drugs. 38 00:03:07.550 --> 00:03:13.340 Psychology is the therapist who does talk therapy, and the two typically would 39 00:03:13.340 --> 00:03:17.699 work together and you use best to have both, but if you can only 40 00:03:17.740 --> 00:03:21.060 have one or the other, just, you know, take what you can 41 00:03:21.099 --> 00:03:25.900 get anyway. So there's psychiatry, psychology and then there's people who are anti 42 00:03:27.250 --> 00:03:32.050 psychiatry. Now, this person in particular was interesting because all along I had 43 00:03:32.810 --> 00:03:40.599 kind of aligned antipsychiatry with scientologists and they don't believe in psychiatry or medication or 44 00:03:40.639 --> 00:03:44.960 anything like that. I think if you go to Hollywood they've got a museum 45 00:03:45.000 --> 00:03:49.680 there called the Psychiatric Museum of death or something like that. It's pretty crazy, 46 00:03:51.479 --> 00:03:53.800 which is saying something coming from a bipolar person. Anyway, they have 47 00:03:53.840 --> 00:04:00.150 a Psychiatry Museum of death. The very against it for whatever their belief system 48 00:04:00.189 --> 00:04:04.509 is. That's fine. That's also another interesting thing. So I'm not sure 49 00:04:04.629 --> 00:04:12.419 why the scientologist are so against psychiatry, aside from the death and the experimentation, 50 00:04:12.979 --> 00:04:17.339 but come on, I mean realistically, even as a patient of psychiatrists 51 00:04:17.540 --> 00:04:24.180 and psychologist. Honestly, yeah, of course they're humans and they don't know 52 00:04:24.290 --> 00:04:28.769 smarter than most of their patients and a lot of them have studied the condition 53 00:04:29.329 --> 00:04:31.370 less time than those of us who have it. I've had it, so 54 00:04:31.449 --> 00:04:35.730 we've studied it and experienced it firsthand much longer than many of the people trying 55 00:04:35.769 --> 00:04:40.600 to treat us. I get that. That's that's fine, but at least 56 00:04:40.600 --> 00:04:43.480 they're curious, at least they're trying to help, they're trying to get in 57 00:04:43.639 --> 00:04:46.920 there and find out what makes the human brain tick. They have a curiosity 58 00:04:46.000 --> 00:04:49.480 about psychiatry in general, like how the mind works, the workings of the 59 00:04:49.639 --> 00:04:54.709 mind. So my biggest beef, apparently now that I've kind of have a 60 00:04:54.709 --> 00:04:59.470 day or two to contemplate it with the antipsychiatry crowd, is the the lack 61 00:04:59.509 --> 00:05:04.550 of or the complete shutting down of curiosity, of curiosity about the brain, 62 00:05:05.310 --> 00:05:10.379 like if those are the only people at the forefront, neuroscientist, psychiatrist, 63 00:05:10.420 --> 00:05:14.779 psychologists if they're at the forefront, and the only folks at the forefront of 64 00:05:14.860 --> 00:05:20.889 figuring out mental health, then why stimy or stifle or any way obstructs that 65 00:05:21.050 --> 00:05:25.129 progress with that curiosity? Just that doesn't make sense to me. It doesn't 66 00:05:25.170 --> 00:05:29.370 add up and I've never heard a good argument as to why not be curious, 67 00:05:29.370 --> 00:05:32.209 aside from Oh it people die. Well, fucking people die every day 68 00:05:32.290 --> 00:05:40.000 for a lot worse reasons or a lot less noble reasons. For those of 69 00:05:40.079 --> 00:05:45.480 you who listen to the podcast only, I do this kind of devious thing 70 00:05:45.600 --> 00:05:49.829 now, and I apologize for my longtime podcast list centers, but people on 71 00:05:50.110 --> 00:05:57.269 facebook actually get more of more of a show. They get the visual and 72 00:05:57.389 --> 00:06:00.430 they get all of the behind the scenes, because I just I stream it 73 00:06:00.509 --> 00:06:03.980 live on facebook and then I edit out what you end up hearing as a 74 00:06:04.060 --> 00:06:08.819 podcast. So I don't know. I'm not trying to commit podcast users to 75 00:06:08.899 --> 00:06:12.500 get on facebook by any means because I'm not a huge fan of facebook, 76 00:06:13.540 --> 00:06:15.540 but hey, it's there and this where everybody thinks. This the fucking town 77 00:06:15.579 --> 00:06:20.889 square. So as a video of me on the town square, cool anyway. 78 00:06:20.930 --> 00:06:28.769 So get over on facebook, go to facebookcom groups, psych media. 79 00:06:29.050 --> 00:06:31.529 Oh Hey, I made it even easier. You can go to psych dot 80 00:06:31.649 --> 00:06:38.279 media. Just type that new browser, push return. You're there. Media 81 00:06:38.439 --> 00:06:43.000 or DOT media is a top level domain name, likecom, Dot Org, 82 00:06:43.160 --> 00:06:47.829 dotnet. Well, now they got dot media and Psych Dot media goes right 83 00:06:47.870 --> 00:06:50.509 here with this video plays. That's just what we'll do with that. But 84 00:06:50.589 --> 00:06:58.949 I know that I like watching other folks video like UN sparkled, unpacked sparkle. 85 00:06:59.269 --> 00:07:00.430 I got to get it right. I was mess up people's name. 86 00:07:00.459 --> 00:07:04.779 Is just a little bit like a dad getting the names of movies slightly wrong. 87 00:07:04.819 --> 00:07:11.939 Yeah, okay. So back to anti psychiatry. Well, here's here's 88 00:07:11.939 --> 00:07:15.970 the funny. The funny part and the ironic part right is. Oh, 89 00:07:15.250 --> 00:07:19.889 I didn't really quite know what to make of this dude, because it says 90 00:07:20.009 --> 00:07:24.689 I'm not a scientologists. I'm like, all right, we'll take them at 91 00:07:24.730 --> 00:07:29.050 his word. I'm not that being a scientologists is any weirder than being a 92 00:07:29.089 --> 00:07:31.720 Christian or Jew or Muslim or whatever. I mean, everyone's got their fantasy 93 00:07:31.800 --> 00:07:35.639 that makes them feel better as a community. Fuck Yeah, okay, great, 94 00:07:35.639 --> 00:07:41.120 congratulations, I'm happy for you. This guy claims not to be a 95 00:07:41.199 --> 00:07:46.790 scientologist. Cool, he's still antipsychiatry. Like whatever happened to that dude to 96 00:07:46.949 --> 00:07:54.589 make him go on such a tirade against curious people like you? Want to 97 00:07:54.629 --> 00:08:01.019 start doing a research on how many deaths occur in psychiatric research and well, 98 00:08:01.060 --> 00:08:05.060 basically, how many fucking guinea pigs do they lose? Not Guinea pigs, 99 00:08:05.100 --> 00:08:09.980 but like human guinea pigs. Clearly people die taking too much Med's, take 100 00:08:09.100 --> 00:08:16.009 the wrong beds and killing themselves, ect therapy, frying people's brains. That 101 00:08:16.089 --> 00:08:20.329 I mean there's some fucked up things for sure, and some of it seems, 102 00:08:20.889 --> 00:08:28.199 by today's standard, still archaic really, but we've got nanotechnology coming up. 103 00:08:28.800 --> 00:08:31.039 We've got the ethics evolved of putting robots in your head that can target 104 00:08:33.639 --> 00:08:39.279 depression, by polar mania, target all of these chemical fluctuations and fix them. 105 00:08:39.840 --> 00:08:43.429 So you know, that's real, that's factual. That's something they'll be 106 00:08:43.470 --> 00:08:50.070 able to do sooner than later. So do we stop scientists? We're going 107 00:08:50.149 --> 00:08:54.789 to start burning books, of going back to flat earth. But where? 108 00:08:54.029 --> 00:09:00.259 Where's the line here? So anyway, if you're having fun and you getting 109 00:09:00.340 --> 00:09:05.620 kind of Sassy, go on twitter. Twitter seems fine, safe enough, 110 00:09:05.899 --> 00:09:11.009 and just go scroll through some antipsychiatry people and kind of get a feel for 111 00:09:11.129 --> 00:09:13.929 what they're all about, because some of them are super zealot and they can't 112 00:09:13.009 --> 00:09:18.929 argue it all with you because they're just and some of them will talk to 113 00:09:18.970 --> 00:09:22.049 you for a little bit, kind of suck you in and make you think 114 00:09:22.169 --> 00:09:26.519 they're your friend and then they're like Oh, yeah, ha ha, tricked, 115 00:09:26.519 --> 00:09:31.039 yeah, you actually do your pro psychiatrist. That a a whatever, 116 00:09:31.159 --> 00:09:35.600 man, what are fucking crazy people? But yeah, what really sealed the 117 00:09:35.639 --> 00:09:39.710 deal was when this one guy didn't really have a response for him. So 118 00:09:39.750 --> 00:09:43.230 I'm like whatever fuck, I'm going to bed. I go to bed and 119 00:09:43.389 --> 00:09:48.629 then the next day when I wake up there's like eight, nine tweets that 120 00:09:48.710 --> 00:09:50.470 have felt like from this guy. Might have been less. Felt like twenty, 121 00:09:52.070 --> 00:09:54.700 but the guy just tweeted and tweeted like Oh so you won't answer big 122 00:09:54.740 --> 00:09:58.500 man blow or Blah, Blah. I'm like what the fuck are you talking 123 00:09:58.580 --> 00:10:03.620 about anyway? So of course the manic guy fucking tweeting like a crazy person, 124 00:10:05.019 --> 00:10:07.529 doesn't believe in taking his mad's that's that's how I saw that. So 125 00:10:09.009 --> 00:10:13.529 whatever, I'm if you find anti psychiatry people, I would advise not to 126 00:10:13.649 --> 00:10:18.769 engage them because they have that kind of Vibe, like like the Mormons, 127 00:10:18.970 --> 00:10:22.480 like they believe in Christianity. Plus they got their extra book. It's does 128 00:10:22.519 --> 00:10:26.200 Anti Psychiatry people think they've got it figured out. Plus they know a little 129 00:10:26.200 --> 00:10:31.559 more than than you or me combined. So their magic people and they're not 130 00:10:31.759 --> 00:10:37.509 really rational to argue with anyway, they exist. So and they're not all 131 00:10:37.549 --> 00:10:43.110 scientologists. So trip on that. If you like what you heard, subscribe 132 00:10:43.190 --> 00:10:46.389 on Apple Podcast by Itunes and join us. F my color style, that 133 00:10:46.590 --> 00:10:54.779 car and spill. It's it's funny how when I get talking, well, 134 00:10:54.860 --> 00:11:01.139 I just fucking get talking. I was down in the cafe the topic came 135 00:11:01.179 --> 00:11:11.409 up about a podcaster be limited in distribution because their particular podcast. This it's 136 00:11:11.450 --> 00:11:16.409 not my podcaster, isn't everything to a psych media but in a different group 137 00:11:16.850 --> 00:11:18.320 and they're, you know, not on mious group. So I can't really 138 00:11:18.440 --> 00:11:26.279 tell any details, but generally the person that had brought the issue up was 139 00:11:26.480 --> 00:11:33.669 unable to get their particular show into a mental health network because, get this, 140 00:11:33.629 --> 00:11:39.350 they don't use the medical language model. And get my Ravit ears in 141 00:11:39.470 --> 00:11:48.860 frame medical language model, which immediately to me smacks of classism and elitism and 142 00:11:48.740 --> 00:11:52.139 the whole thing of like, who has access to that fucking knowledge that you're 143 00:11:52.179 --> 00:11:56.059 using? Or not knowledge, but who has access to the language that you're 144 00:11:56.059 --> 00:12:01.340 using? If everybody, if we can't include everybody in the a true mental 145 00:12:01.419 --> 00:12:05.009 health dialog, to me it's tainted. Your work is tainted. You have 146 00:12:05.129 --> 00:12:09.929 to let everybody speak and speak that they in the way that they are comfortable 147 00:12:09.970 --> 00:12:13.490 speaking. You have to meet people where they are. That's pretty much given. 148 00:12:13.490 --> 00:12:16.919 I would assume most people in the mental health field and know that or 149 00:12:16.919 --> 00:12:22.200 knew that, but apparently not so. In a way that kind of ties 150 00:12:22.279 --> 00:12:26.720 in with the earlier segment about the Anti Psychiatry people who are how do we 151 00:12:26.799 --> 00:12:31.230 put that? I guess the way I framed it last time was very anti 152 00:12:31.870 --> 00:12:35.990 curiosity in my mind, because clearly, yeah, people die from mads, 153 00:12:37.509 --> 00:12:41.870 misdiagnosis, medications make people jump off bridges. I get I get it, 154 00:12:43.029 --> 00:12:48.019 man. There's mistakes everywhere and yeah, I guess they could all be inexcusable, 155 00:12:48.860 --> 00:12:54.700 but they also happened for reasons. Pick any industry. An assembly line, 156 00:12:54.700 --> 00:12:58.610 a robot will kill somebody. In the medical field, pills will kill 157 00:12:58.690 --> 00:13:03.529 people. Psychiatry, psychology could even kill people. What you tell people there's 158 00:13:03.809 --> 00:13:09.730 court cases where fucking people. There's a girl who I think is going to 159 00:13:09.889 --> 00:13:16.720 prison because she texted her boyfriend to go ahead kill yourself or some shit like 160 00:13:16.759 --> 00:13:22.080 that. I'm paraphrasing, but yeah, so how you affect people psychologically or 161 00:13:22.279 --> 00:13:28.750 through a psychiatric medication manner. You know, it makes makes a big difference. 162 00:13:30.509 --> 00:13:35.750 Okay, Anti Psychiatry, shutting people down more subversively through that elitist medical 163 00:13:35.789 --> 00:13:39.470 language model. Okay, those are two problems I have with that. And 164 00:13:39.669 --> 00:13:45.100 then having to focus about bipolar all day in the bipolar world, to you 165 00:13:45.299 --> 00:13:48.539 have the issue of New People coming on for that. saw this in the 166 00:13:48.620 --> 00:13:54.460 podcasting world as well. When you're a podcaster, you're very, very curious, 167 00:13:54.580 --> 00:13:56.409 like how does a podcast get made? What kind of Mike Should I 168 00:13:56.490 --> 00:13:58.970 buy? What kind of like? Do I need a mixer? Do I 169 00:14:00.090 --> 00:14:03.009 need this? What's the best host? Oyeah, you're curious about all these 170 00:14:03.370 --> 00:14:09.600 so you join social media groups. You find out. Okay, cool, 171 00:14:09.600 --> 00:14:13.039 I'm going to start podcast. It's kind of the same way with mental illness. 172 00:14:13.039 --> 00:14:18.360 I've noticed new people come on to get diagnosed every day. They start, 173 00:14:18.480 --> 00:14:22.840 you know, searching through different social media and now they're asking the same 174 00:14:24.039 --> 00:14:26.149 old questions over and over. So that's human nature, I guess, to 175 00:14:26.230 --> 00:14:30.870 ask. I'm going to ask my question. Fuck all if the questions already 176 00:14:30.870 --> 00:14:33.110 been answered. I don't want to use the search function because I want people 177 00:14:33.110 --> 00:14:37.029 answer me directly. I think that's human nature, so I'm not going to 178 00:14:37.110 --> 00:14:39.539 hold it against people, but it does drive me crazy that new people keep 179 00:14:39.580 --> 00:14:43.100 asking the same thing and again, since I'm not the kind of person who 180 00:14:43.100 --> 00:14:46.740 gets paid to be bipolar. I'm not. I don't have a thing that 181 00:14:46.860 --> 00:14:52.299 pays the bills that say hey, I'm I'm a bipolar guys a better start 182 00:14:52.379 --> 00:14:56.690 to think about all the people I admire in the media that are bipolar or 183 00:14:56.769 --> 00:15:01.289 have bipolar or again, however you want to frame it. They're already famous 184 00:15:01.289 --> 00:15:03.769 for doing their thing. They're usually performers. There are in the creative arts 185 00:15:03.809 --> 00:15:09.399 actors, singers, m band people, comedians and things like that. So 186 00:15:09.600 --> 00:15:13.840 it kind of reminded me to get back to my thing. So I don't 187 00:15:13.840 --> 00:15:20.909 want the next season of this show chaos update to really be about bipolar disorder 188 00:15:20.990 --> 00:15:28.190 as much as just a podcast created by a guy with bipolar disorder. Follow 189 00:15:28.230 --> 00:15:31.590 me, there's a distinct difference, but it's a very important difference. That 190 00:15:31.830 --> 00:15:37.299 said, when people start searching for bipolar disorder, I don't necessarily want to 191 00:15:37.340 --> 00:15:41.139 steer them to chaos update, because that would be weird. They could go 192 00:15:41.299 --> 00:15:46.340 listen to the first season and get all the season one bipolar talk, the 193 00:15:46.460 --> 00:15:48.740 resources, they can be forwarded to, the different links and things like that, 194 00:15:50.250 --> 00:15:52.610 which I think that's cool, because I really just want to do my 195 00:15:52.769 --> 00:15:56.529 part, but also balance out with do my part for myself to like personal 196 00:15:56.610 --> 00:16:00.889 development, to move move life along. And how do you do that if 197 00:16:00.970 --> 00:16:10.240 all you're doing is focusing on your disorder? It's funny when I deal with 198 00:16:10.360 --> 00:16:15.200 the Anti Psychiatry people, a lot of them don't realize the whole reason this 199 00:16:15.440 --> 00:16:22.629 show is called bipolar style is because I'm not sold on the fact that it's 200 00:16:22.669 --> 00:16:26.269 a disorder. They call it a disorder, but based on what? What 201 00:16:26.509 --> 00:16:33.179 is order? What is the proper chemical balance that we are imbalanced against? 202 00:16:33.299 --> 00:16:37.259 If they say, Oh, it's a chemical and balance, well, what 203 00:16:37.460 --> 00:16:41.460 is normal? What's the normal level of chemicals? Can you write it down 204 00:16:41.500 --> 00:16:45.340 for us so that we can adjust ours accordingly, because apparently you don't fucking 205 00:16:45.500 --> 00:16:52.529 know what balanced is. So it's kind of rude to say we're imbalanced or 206 00:16:52.769 --> 00:16:56.929 disordered. So to the Anti Psychiatry people, I'm throwing you a bone. 207 00:16:56.970 --> 00:17:00.730 Yeah, I just I'm not sold that that's a disorder. I'm totally open 208 00:17:00.769 --> 00:17:06.440 for discussion about bipolar disorder and some of the others as well, especially the 209 00:17:06.559 --> 00:17:11.440 the mood ones. Like who's to say just because someone mood regulator is different 210 00:17:11.480 --> 00:17:15.950 than yours means that that's the wrong way? Maybe we're emoting correctly and Y'all 211 00:17:15.990 --> 00:17:22.670 are little dancer, little coldhearted or something. Who knows? Anyway. Yeah, 212 00:17:23.150 --> 00:17:26.630 so we put together two pieces. If you're watching on facebook, kind 213 00:17:26.630 --> 00:17:33.299 of clip this facebook piece here that we're doing now with the previous one about 214 00:17:33.339 --> 00:17:37.220 anti psychiatry, just kind of blending them in. I'll edit it into one 215 00:17:37.299 --> 00:17:44.099 podcast. will put it up on by polar stylecom in the meantime. Yeah, 216 00:17:44.220 --> 00:17:48.250 do your thing around the holidays. Mat stay safe and they got warm 217 00:17:48.369 --> 00:17:49.890 lines. You don't have to call a hot line. You don't have to 218 00:17:49.930 --> 00:17:52.210 wait till it's critical and you want to jump in front of a train. 219 00:17:52.809 --> 00:17:56.849 You can call a warm line and just chat with people, just have a 220 00:17:56.930 --> 00:17:59.759 talk, you know, just call them up and say, Hey, I'm 221 00:17:59.799 --> 00:18:03.960 not feeling well. This is bothering me. Whatever. Maybe I'll call one. 222 00:18:06.240 --> 00:18:07.839 No, no, I'm going to go see a movie. I'm going 223 00:18:07.880 --> 00:18:12.829 to go see the disaster artist. Looks Fascinating to me. So I hope 224 00:18:12.829 --> 00:18:18.269 you well and enjoy Christmas. If you're doing that, be safe and check 225 00:18:18.269 --> 00:18:23.630 out another podcast, definitely after Christmas, before the New Year, and we'll 226 00:18:23.630 --> 00:18:29.579 start off two thousand and eighteen with a bang. Cool, cool, cool, 227 00:18:30.339 --> 00:18:34.220 all right, cutting the camera, cutting the mics, putting my shoes 228 00:18:34.299 --> 00:18:40.500 and go and see a movie if you liked what you've heard on apple, 229 00:18:40.619 --> 00:18:45.130 podcast by Itunes and join us at my color stylecom thanks bill. It's