Alternative ways to manage Bipolar Disorder ...

WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.120 --> 00:00:11.910 It's only now it's online Bible this stylecom. Yes, emotions with Bible style. 2 00:00:14.029 --> 00:00:19.030 All right, what's up? Come on in, it's good to have 3 00:00:19.109 --> 00:00:27.300 you back. So today's because show is dieppert. Today's show is a conversation 4 00:00:27.339 --> 00:00:32.780 I had recently with a couple of other mental health podcasters, Becky from that 5 00:00:32.979 --> 00:00:38.369 B word and Jim from bipolar pod you may recognize those names because we hang 6 00:00:38.450 --> 00:00:44.009 out and talk to them pretty frequently and they're also part of bipolar PARTYCOM. 7 00:00:44.130 --> 00:00:46.890 If you want to talk to us or just chat in general, go over 8 00:00:46.969 --> 00:00:50.640 there, get off of Facebook, you know, get a little more private 9 00:00:50.719 --> 00:00:55.600 situation and you can have a lot more kind of productive conversations. So it's 10 00:00:55.960 --> 00:01:00.399 a kind group, bipolar PARTYCOM. Oh, here, here's an ad join 11 00:01:00.520 --> 00:01:07.150 the party at bipolar PARTYCOM. So check it out. So today we talked 12 00:01:07.189 --> 00:01:15.230 about like alternative ways to address your bipolar disorder, or the way we address 13 00:01:15.349 --> 00:01:18.150 our bipolar disorders, I guess, is the best way to say it. 14 00:01:18.780 --> 00:01:23.060 But I think it's important to note that we are not talking like hippie methods 15 00:01:23.140 --> 00:01:26.980 or crystals or things like that. No offense if you're into those things. 16 00:01:27.299 --> 00:01:32.739 That's just not we're talking we're talking about things besides therapy and pills. So 17 00:01:32.890 --> 00:01:36.209 there are a couple of other ways. And when you deal with a lifelong 18 00:01:36.329 --> 00:01:41.730 condition like bipolar disorder, invariably your body chemistry changes, your attitudes, the 19 00:01:41.890 --> 00:01:48.640 things that you learn and your behaviors are always evolving. So it's often important 20 00:01:48.680 --> 00:01:53.640 to make sure you're trying methods that actually work. Like, after a while 21 00:01:53.000 --> 00:01:56.760 the same therapist and might not be a good match anymore. It might be 22 00:01:56.879 --> 00:02:01.670 time to change therapists. I've changed meds lots of times, sometimes because they 23 00:02:01.709 --> 00:02:06.549 weren't effective, sometimes they made me feel bad, you know, negative side 24 00:02:06.549 --> 00:02:10.189 effects, other times out of my control. If you lose your insurance and 25 00:02:10.310 --> 00:02:14.669 you don't have any money for pills, then you go to wherever you get 26 00:02:14.710 --> 00:02:15.939 free pills, like, you know, the free clinics and things like that. 27 00:02:16.419 --> 00:02:21.699 So you don't always get the keep your your doctor or the same prescriptions. 28 00:02:21.740 --> 00:02:24.939 There's a total inconsistency of the care there. So you know how it 29 00:02:24.979 --> 00:02:30.370 goes. But there are different ways besides just pills and therapy. So becky 30 00:02:30.810 --> 00:02:36.210 and Jim and myself just kind of have a short conversation back and forth about 31 00:02:36.490 --> 00:02:40.370 the different things we've tried. Back in the day and up to recently. 32 00:02:40.409 --> 00:02:46.360 I think you find the conversation fairly engaging. If you have bipolar disorder, 33 00:02:46.759 --> 00:02:49.479 no doubt you will relate to many of the things we talked about. So 34 00:02:50.560 --> 00:02:53.800 if you want to talk about it in like more person in a dynamic way, 35 00:02:53.120 --> 00:02:58.360 go to bipolar partycom. You can track us all down on twitter under 36 00:02:58.750 --> 00:03:02.909 or various podcast names. So cool. Thanks for being here. And right 37 00:03:02.990 --> 00:03:10.229 after this episode I allude to another episode about how to address bipolar stigma. 38 00:03:12.389 --> 00:03:16.379 Can we use the same tools that the homosexual community used? So if you're 39 00:03:16.379 --> 00:03:22.219 interested in that topic, listen to the podcast right after this one. That's 40 00:03:22.300 --> 00:03:24.699 pretty good tease. Yeah, okay, cool, have an awesome day. 41 00:03:24.699 --> 00:03:29.210 hit me up, email me, follow me on twitter, all the typical 42 00:03:29.289 --> 00:03:34.490 cliches. Do those things, but most importantly, like subscribe and leave me 43 00:03:35.169 --> 00:03:38.729 a review on itunes. 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Becky has that B word, 54 00:04:24.329 --> 00:04:30.970 which covers bipolar and borderline and other beautiful thanks. Jim Has the bipolar pod 55 00:04:30.370 --> 00:04:35.129 and I also have bipolar style. So if you don't have enough podcasts about 56 00:04:35.250 --> 00:04:41.240 bipolar and or borderline to listen to check those out. You'll dig them. 57 00:04:42.680 --> 00:04:49.319 Maybe I'm getting text here. Yeah, so, I mean go ahead. 58 00:04:49.759 --> 00:05:00.750 So the topic that was floated today was alternative treatments for bipolar disorder. HMM, 59 00:05:00.029 --> 00:05:03.350 that's a good one. I got a lot to say and I think 60 00:05:03.509 --> 00:05:09.660 bipolar Joe will like this too. Wherever you are, Bipolar Joe, we 61 00:05:09.860 --> 00:05:16.860 love you. What's that weird noise? You guys? I think somebody was 62 00:05:16.939 --> 00:05:26.329 just trying to send me unsolicited Dick pick on skype. Oh yeah, Yay, 63 00:05:27.410 --> 00:05:32.730 Yay, soul, that is sick picked during the podcast messaging me. 64 00:05:33.050 --> 00:05:36.839 Oh God, we get off a skype real quick. Oh my goodness, 65 00:05:36.920 --> 00:05:42.879 what are you doing? I'm on the wrong platform. Hey, I am 66 00:05:42.959 --> 00:05:46.439 solicited. Man, I did not ask for this, not today, anyway. 67 00:05:46.519 --> 00:05:49.230 You just that was last week. What are you doing now? I'm 68 00:05:49.269 --> 00:05:56.029 just pointing. Sorry, it's okay, totally joking. That's just I mean, 69 00:05:56.069 --> 00:05:58.430 my husband does listen to this. It what. You know what? 70 00:05:58.629 --> 00:06:01.230 It's kind of next level. I just like start to realize why I like 71 00:06:01.269 --> 00:06:05.019 Jim and I don't get those is because we have pictures of ourselves there, 72 00:06:05.060 --> 00:06:08.860 so no one's going to send us a pick. But next level, Uber 73 00:06:08.980 --> 00:06:12.180 and lift people. You put a picture of a hot chick in your profile 74 00:06:12.740 --> 00:06:15.740 and then you get more drivers faster. Oh my God, I never thought 75 00:06:15.819 --> 00:06:16.860 of that. When I was a last driver, I could use that. 76 00:06:17.850 --> 00:06:20.850 Yeah, fuck, yeah, it's they're like, Oh yeah, I'm going 77 00:06:20.930 --> 00:06:24.129 there, I'm or and it works both ways. If you think, Oh 78 00:06:24.170 --> 00:06:26.769 yeah, I want a hot lift driver, then you'd like, Nope, 79 00:06:26.810 --> 00:06:30.970 next car. NOPE, next car, and vice versa. Like if you 80 00:06:30.170 --> 00:06:33.600 look like a hot chick, the lift drivers will come pick you up faster 81 00:06:33.759 --> 00:06:36.920 and they're all disappointed when they get there. The like, Oh, you're 82 00:06:36.959 --> 00:06:41.240 Linda. I'm like now I'm John. See, I was a driver, 83 00:06:41.800 --> 00:06:45.600 and I mean I could have used that, I guess, to try to 84 00:06:45.959 --> 00:06:50.029 get more people to ride with me, right, but then they could have 85 00:06:50.149 --> 00:06:56.189 canceled so quickly once I pulled up. Okay, yeah, that's not the 86 00:06:56.269 --> 00:07:00.029 car ordered. Sorry, I'll walk. I probably get pushed off the platform. 87 00:07:00.069 --> 00:07:03.980 Yeah, I don't do that anymore. But anyway, on the creepiness 88 00:07:04.019 --> 00:07:09.459 of sharing pictures inappropriately, I'm glad you got that cleaned off. picky. 89 00:07:09.860 --> 00:07:16.970 Yeah, that's the second time today. Unfortunate. Have you guys? Do 90 00:07:17.009 --> 00:07:20.370 you guys use? Well, you don't, Jim, you're married to yeah, 91 00:07:20.569 --> 00:07:24.370 I'm not married, as I have a girlfriend, but I'm not married, 92 00:07:25.050 --> 00:07:26.850 but I mean, yeah, you're not in the Chene, the dating 93 00:07:27.089 --> 00:07:30.720 gene pool. I was just wondering because there's an APP called bumble, right, 94 00:07:30.879 --> 00:07:32.920 it's kind of like tender. I've used it. Yeah, but now 95 00:07:33.040 --> 00:07:39.120 bumble also has two other sections called BFF, where you could find a best 96 00:07:39.160 --> 00:07:44.350 friend the same way through Swiping, and also business acquaintances, so you can 97 00:07:44.430 --> 00:07:48.029 like look for business networking people the same way through swiping. Interesting. So 98 00:07:48.189 --> 00:07:54.110 not only that dating. So they've added more to it yeah, yeah, 99 00:07:54.110 --> 00:07:59.420 they're taking the same database basically and just repackaging different, different views of it, 100 00:07:59.500 --> 00:08:01.139 I guess, is the best way to put it. So those people 101 00:08:01.180 --> 00:08:03.819 in those things are already in there and you want to like jump over to 102 00:08:03.860 --> 00:08:07.939 the business section and meet local people who are into whatever. Yeah, but 103 00:08:09.180 --> 00:08:13.089 how awkward when you're like trolling all the bedsm like people and then you see 104 00:08:13.129 --> 00:08:18.290 them as a business contact for your company? Well, the same, yeah 105 00:08:18.290 --> 00:08:24.290 or no. It's just creepy because basically what's happening now is since the guys 106 00:08:24.370 --> 00:08:28.560 that can't get laid on the dating part, they'll go over into the friendship 107 00:08:28.639 --> 00:08:31.720 part or into the business part and just start hitting on chicks that way. 108 00:08:31.879 --> 00:08:35.720 You know, it's classic American Man of Yeah, there's not enough opportunities for 109 00:08:35.799 --> 00:08:37.840 men to do that. Already. They had to make a couple of more. 110 00:08:41.509 --> 00:08:46.230 So frustrated. So how many type of treatments is there for bipolar disorder? 111 00:08:48.029 --> 00:08:50.710 Look, yeah, let's go over the main ones. Okay, obviously 112 00:08:50.789 --> 00:08:56.179 we get medication and we've get we get therapy. That's the standard treatment, 113 00:08:56.259 --> 00:09:00.419 right, and you're you're on Veri Lar, aren't you? Bicky? We 114 00:09:00.580 --> 00:09:01.500 both are, I think Jim and I both are. Yep, oh, 115 00:09:01.580 --> 00:09:05.340 see, are you and you boast? Both must be relatively new to vary 116 00:09:05.340 --> 00:09:07.899 lar, because I think it's a relatively new drug right last to her. 117 00:09:09.059 --> 00:09:13.570 So years. HMM, yeah, a couple months. What's the what's the 118 00:09:15.049 --> 00:09:20.570 status? How's it going? Excellent for me, I don't like. I 119 00:09:20.610 --> 00:09:28.600 don't know. I still have a false sense of not able to tell if 120 00:09:28.919 --> 00:09:33.679 a medications working for me yet or not. I'm getting rave reviews from other 121 00:09:33.799 --> 00:09:37.039 people. I will say that at first it made me feel like I had 122 00:09:37.200 --> 00:09:45.590 Super Adhd, but I've overcome that feeling by taking my medicine at night rather 123 00:09:45.669 --> 00:09:50.110 than in the morning. I could so nice. Maybe that's something that's yeah, 124 00:09:50.149 --> 00:09:54.340 that's probably that was always a sign for me that my that the medicine 125 00:09:54.379 --> 00:09:58.460 worked was when that I couldn't tell it was working. I didn't feel bad, 126 00:09:58.740 --> 00:10:01.740 I didn't feel Madic, I just like, I guess, but it's 127 00:10:01.820 --> 00:10:05.299 that kind of apathy towards my medication is when I normally think it's fucking working. 128 00:10:05.340 --> 00:10:09.250 Right, I will say I'm Miss I missed some of my manic episodes. 129 00:10:11.049 --> 00:10:16.450 Yeah, wow, yeah, yeah, that's an interesting thing. Would 130 00:10:16.450 --> 00:10:20.799 because I like to romanticize about mania, but I also use conversational shortcut, 131 00:10:20.840 --> 00:10:24.600 and I'm not actually talking about mania mania, and you're probably not either. 132 00:10:24.639 --> 00:10:28.279 There you know, like hyplomatic there's that little strain. We just get just 133 00:10:28.480 --> 00:10:31.840 enough like yeah, fucking creative, going to go make some stuff. Yep, 134 00:10:33.480 --> 00:10:37.590 I'd love that. And unfortunately that's the first thing that's usually killed off 135 00:10:37.669 --> 00:10:45.309 by medication. So yeah, I feel you there. So guys have experiment. 136 00:10:46.190 --> 00:10:50.580 We have had the pills that they give us and the therapy, which 137 00:10:50.779 --> 00:10:54.220 go hand in hand. It's not just one or the other, you know. 138 00:10:54.379 --> 00:10:58.299 I mean you could try therapy without the pill, but I mean you 139 00:10:58.340 --> 00:11:03.059 would only get so far. Yeah, and therapy is expensive. Therapy is 140 00:11:03.100 --> 00:11:07.929 hard to come by because it actually requires a human to be there to listen. 141 00:11:07.970 --> 00:11:09.970 And even if it's over the Internet, there's a lot of good, 142 00:11:11.610 --> 00:11:13.570 you know, chat based therapy online. Now. I've done some of myself 143 00:11:13.690 --> 00:11:18.480 a couple years ago. It's well established, trustworthy and all that, but 144 00:11:18.559 --> 00:11:24.120 it still requires a human on the other end of that phone. Yeah, 145 00:11:24.240 --> 00:11:26.879 not too much in a lot of them don't take insurance, though. Right, 146 00:11:28.360 --> 00:11:30.960 even more expensive. Well, is that the worst thing, though? 147 00:11:30.960 --> 00:11:33.309 It's all compounded. They don't take insurance. So you have to pay out 148 00:11:33.350 --> 00:11:35.509 a pocket, but you have a disability, so the chances of you having 149 00:11:35.549 --> 00:11:39.549 a job that pays enough to pay out a pocket or pretty slim. Yeah, 150 00:11:41.950 --> 00:11:45.990 always it's the constant struggle of a mentally disabled person, and I don't 151 00:11:45.990 --> 00:11:50.100 use that term disabled lightly, but there are many, many times in my 152 00:11:50.139 --> 00:11:52.740 life where I'm like, I just can't fucking do it. This must be 153 00:11:52.860 --> 00:11:56.340 what disabled feels like. And I know what lazy feels like. It's a 154 00:11:56.379 --> 00:12:01.220 different feeling. I know what you know, I don't give a fuck feels 155 00:12:01.259 --> 00:12:05.330 like. It's not that feeling either. There's just there's something about having a 156 00:12:05.529 --> 00:12:09.330 disability, especially when it comes to crippling depression, that takes you out of 157 00:12:09.409 --> 00:12:13.330 the game is such a hardcore way. Yep, well, you agree. 158 00:12:13.649 --> 00:12:16.679 So. So if you can even manage to get to the phone or to 159 00:12:18.000 --> 00:12:22.919 call somebody to get therapy, it almost impossible to actually get to the place. 160 00:12:22.960 --> 00:12:28.240 Yeah, yeah, and that's that's if the disease itself doesn't come up 161 00:12:28.320 --> 00:12:30.590 and grab you and say no, you're not going to therapy, you don't 162 00:12:30.590 --> 00:12:33.190 need that. Let's go. Stand all the money in the bank account. 163 00:12:33.190 --> 00:12:35.029 Let's go. You know, you know what I mean. Just all the 164 00:12:35.149 --> 00:12:37.190 all the other hard things about getting to therapy, on top of the the 165 00:12:37.950 --> 00:12:43.750 money and the scheduling and all that. Yeah, some it's amazing anybody gets 166 00:12:43.789 --> 00:12:48.220 therapy. That reminds me of something else you remember. I don't know if 167 00:12:48.259 --> 00:12:50.460 you guys talk about guns much on your shows, but I get pretty political 168 00:12:50.580 --> 00:12:54.580 on some of mine and we're talking about guns and you know the whole thing. 169 00:12:54.620 --> 00:12:56.460 I'm not going to get into a gun debate, except for the part 170 00:12:56.500 --> 00:13:01.769 where they talked about like people who don't registered guns are outlaws, you know, 171 00:13:01.889 --> 00:13:05.850 and only the good guys are registering their guns, that sort of thing. 172 00:13:05.730 --> 00:13:11.090 It reminds me a lot of the mental health status in America because in 173 00:13:11.210 --> 00:13:16.559 a way it's it's the only the people that are responsible enough to go seek 174 00:13:18.159 --> 00:13:22.360 mental healthcare are the ones being labeled. So, therefore, there's a whole 175 00:13:22.440 --> 00:13:26.870 section of America out there that refused to see a psychiatrist and they're running around 176 00:13:28.149 --> 00:13:31.590 like loaded guns because they're ignorant of their own mental conditions. That drives me 177 00:13:31.710 --> 00:13:35.629 crazy. So we've got a lot of irresponsible brain owners out there that have 178 00:13:35.789 --> 00:13:41.460 not registered their brains. That's true. That, yeah, that cut that 179 00:13:41.980 --> 00:13:46.740 phrase. Register your brain just kind of really hits a like a big brother 180 00:13:46.740 --> 00:13:50.379 Vibe to me. It does. It's creepy and it's also well, it's 181 00:13:50.379 --> 00:13:52.700 also creeping. The way. That's why gun second amendment types don't want to 182 00:13:52.740 --> 00:13:56.450 register their guns. They feared the big brother aspect of it. They think, 183 00:13:56.490 --> 00:13:58.370 well, if they know I have a gun, then they'll know which 184 00:13:58.370 --> 00:14:00.850 gun it is and where I keep it. They'll be able to come take 185 00:14:00.850 --> 00:14:03.409 it if they want. Whoever they is, I guess, mysterious super drones 186 00:14:03.450 --> 00:14:07.330 or something else, hilary or something, I don't know. Yeah, yeah, 187 00:14:07.289 --> 00:14:13.720 definitely. So that the whole notion that we're not getting treatment is one 188 00:14:13.799 --> 00:14:16.639 thing like that. Those of us who know we need treatment. It's hard 189 00:14:16.679 --> 00:14:20.480 for us to get it. But then there's the rest of society that need 190 00:14:20.639 --> 00:14:22.840 treatment, or at least to be inspected. Like go have your car checked 191 00:14:22.879 --> 00:14:26.190 out, you know you have your computer checked out, but how many people 192 00:14:26.190 --> 00:14:30.470 actually go have their brain checked out, not on a regular basis, but 193 00:14:30.629 --> 00:14:33.669 even once? And this kind of all speaks back to how trump, in 194 00:14:33.830 --> 00:14:37.389 my estimation, has a Nosa noitia. You know, the lack of insight. 195 00:14:39.019 --> 00:14:41.740 Just doesn't he just doesn't know he has a mental illness. Because he 196 00:14:41.779 --> 00:14:46.820 doesn't know to go to see a doctor, and just that to me is 197 00:14:46.940 --> 00:14:50.779 mind boggling. So it's then gets to the point like, well, if 198 00:14:50.019 --> 00:14:54.929 those of us who know we have or have up to the label of mental 199 00:14:54.289 --> 00:15:00.889 disorder, what are our choices like? Is it only therapy and pills? 200 00:15:01.450 --> 00:15:05.889 What's left? What's next? Well, there was a new story not too 201 00:15:05.929 --> 00:15:13.879 long ago about Keneman being a possible depression medication. Didn't say necessarily bipolar, 202 00:15:13.000 --> 00:15:18.879 but depression specifically. That's what I want treatment for. To I would take 203 00:15:18.879 --> 00:15:24.950 treatment for my depression any day over the treatment for my hypo mania or mania. 204 00:15:26.350 --> 00:15:30.629 Right. Well, as long as you know you're not trying to fly 205 00:15:30.789 --> 00:15:35.710 your car somewhere, then that's so true, and I don't write that. 206 00:15:35.940 --> 00:15:41.740 Is that attacking both the the bipolar and the depression, or just the depression, 207 00:15:41.820 --> 00:15:46.100 because from what I was told, you can't be on a depressant when 208 00:15:46.179 --> 00:15:52.409 you're bipolar. But I'm hearing a lot from a lot of people that they 209 00:15:52.529 --> 00:16:02.169 have been put on too antidepressants. Yeah, I'm on antidepressants and I don't 210 00:16:02.210 --> 00:16:06.480 think it makes me manic. Of course I'm on a mood stabilizer to actually 211 00:16:07.159 --> 00:16:11.879 write. Same time, so it would probably be an entirely different story without 212 00:16:11.879 --> 00:16:15.399 the mood stabilizer. Yeah, I've been told the same thing since the same 213 00:16:15.440 --> 00:16:18.080 thing as Jim's been told. Well, I don't they don't say that. 214 00:16:18.200 --> 00:16:19.830 No, people can't. They say no, you can't know. They basically 215 00:16:19.830 --> 00:16:25.070 say no, we're not giving you antidepress ausence because we think it'll fuck with 216 00:16:25.190 --> 00:16:27.750 your head. So that kind of put you in a quandary. So you 217 00:16:27.830 --> 00:16:33.100 have manic depression and doctors simply won't give you a pill for depression. That's 218 00:16:33.179 --> 00:16:37.100 really fucked up. My depression goes like up and down, but they're I 219 00:16:37.220 --> 00:16:42.460 guess they're saying that the Ryler that me and Becky are on should counteract with 220 00:16:42.659 --> 00:16:48.970 the depression. Like I'm being regularly checked to see how my depression level is 221 00:16:48.409 --> 00:16:52.210 while I'm on the frailer. I don't know about you, Nicky. Are 222 00:16:52.289 --> 00:16:56.490 you I go in every six weeks or so, and do they checked for 223 00:16:56.690 --> 00:17:02.960 the depression to see how to depress? You have been or HMM? Yeah, 224 00:17:03.320 --> 00:17:06.400 well, they asked the standard questions because to do that little questionnaire, 225 00:17:06.440 --> 00:17:11.039 MMM HMM, so far, so good. Huh. Yeah, I mean 226 00:17:11.119 --> 00:17:15.519 it goes back and forth. Last time wasn't as good, but I think 227 00:17:15.519 --> 00:17:22.750 it's on an upward trend in general. Same here. So you guys, 228 00:17:22.829 --> 00:17:27.750 hear of conversion therapy for gay people? Yes, do you ever feel like 229 00:17:27.829 --> 00:17:33.500 that's what's being done to us? Oh, is this? Yeah, you've 230 00:17:33.500 --> 00:17:38.500 been talking about this on twitter, about how it's so must they just in 231 00:17:38.619 --> 00:17:41.700 Britt they just said, well, fuck it, let's embrace our it used 232 00:17:41.700 --> 00:17:48.369 to be called sexual orientation disorder, then it got bumped down to sexual orientation 233 00:17:48.529 --> 00:17:55.250 disturbance. But being gay has been in the diagnostic manual for mental disorders for 234 00:17:55.289 --> 00:17:56.450 a long since. It came out in one thousand nine hundred and sixty eight. 235 00:17:56.450 --> 00:18:00.000 Alla up until nineteen eighty nine, being gay was a mental disorder. 236 00:18:00.039 --> 00:18:04.240 Right. So I'm like, well, why? Why are we people with 237 00:18:04.400 --> 00:18:11.400 bipolar disorder accepting conversion therapy? Why can't we be accepted? HMM, well, 238 00:18:11.519 --> 00:18:15.710 I mean it's a little so and so to get to the disorder thing, 239 00:18:15.789 --> 00:18:18.910 just to help clarify that or even prompt the conversation in a little bit. 240 00:18:19.589 --> 00:18:25.230 A lot of one of the main aspects of disorder is not just that 241 00:18:25.430 --> 00:18:29.859 your thoughts or actions are deviant from the society you live in, but the 242 00:18:30.019 --> 00:18:33.660 more important one is that it causes you distress. So clearly, back in 243 00:18:33.740 --> 00:18:38.259 the s being gay would cause someone distress. It might cause someone distress now 244 00:18:38.299 --> 00:18:44.089 because the way we treat gay people too. That said, sometimes, you 245 00:18:44.170 --> 00:18:48.890 know, a lot of the times, unless I'm depress, my bipolar disorder 246 00:18:48.009 --> 00:18:52.369 does not cause me distress. What does cause me distress is the label the 247 00:18:52.450 --> 00:18:56.960 doctors have given me. So they're in kind of lies, of really deep 248 00:18:57.079 --> 00:19:02.079 conundrum. Is The label that we're giving causing us the distress? That then 249 00:19:02.240 --> 00:19:06.960 feeds the disorder? I mean the question is where you stressed when, before 250 00:19:07.039 --> 00:19:15.150 you knew that you had bipolar? I was stressed about specific instances and specific 251 00:19:15.269 --> 00:19:21.150 feelings when I was labeled. Now I've become generally an overall distressed that I 252 00:19:21.230 --> 00:19:26.019 have a life long disorder. MMM, see now that is that is it, 253 00:19:26.220 --> 00:19:30.180 because, I mean, you have multiple things in the beginning before you 254 00:19:30.420 --> 00:19:33.740 find out, and maybe you could have singled them out a little bit easier. 255 00:19:36.539 --> 00:19:40.250 But now you have something that's, you said, general, but it's 256 00:19:40.329 --> 00:19:45.970 huge. It's a wide spectrum. It's omnipresent in my life. Now before 257 00:19:45.210 --> 00:19:48.529 I might have just been sad about that one thing or I might have been 258 00:19:48.569 --> 00:19:52.759 overreactive to that one incident. But now it's like, oh well, that 259 00:19:52.880 --> 00:19:56.480 must be bipolar disorder. If I can't figure out what it is, it 260 00:19:56.559 --> 00:19:59.200 must be. You know what I mean. It's so kind of consumes you 261 00:19:59.599 --> 00:20:04.000 once somebody labels you, and in our current society that label is stigmatized, 262 00:20:04.039 --> 00:20:08.670 as you know, am moral, like a kind of ethical failure that Oh, 263 00:20:08.789 --> 00:20:11.269 we're just lazy, we can't we can't think our way through it. 264 00:20:11.349 --> 00:20:14.630 It's all in your head. Come on, buck up, brother. You 265 00:20:14.710 --> 00:20:17.950 know that kind of thing not even just a lazy part of it but also 266 00:20:18.069 --> 00:20:26.740 dangerous in society really quick. I mean I just saw on twitter one of 267 00:20:26.779 --> 00:20:34.730 the Pennsylvania state police. They had basically a guy boarded up himself in a 268 00:20:34.809 --> 00:20:41.410 home and ended up shooting onto the cops, and right in the label was 269 00:20:41.609 --> 00:20:48.170 that he was recently released from the hospital for Schizophrenia and bipolar disorder. There 270 00:20:48.289 --> 00:20:52.160 you go. So of course you have all that and the bad guy. 271 00:20:52.680 --> 00:20:59.519 Yeah, need a scapegoat for all those gun crimes. Unbelievable. So here's 272 00:20:59.559 --> 00:21:03.470 my regiment. This was so I've been taking meds for probably fifteen years, 273 00:21:03.630 --> 00:21:07.390 maybe right. This is why I jumped on the chance when when Becky said, 274 00:21:07.390 --> 00:21:11.670 Hey, let's do it on alternative medicine. So I'll try to be 275 00:21:11.750 --> 00:21:17.349 as forthcoming as I can. Okay, so I've taken all the antipsychotics I 276 00:21:17.470 --> 00:21:22.859 can think of. Sarah Quel Lamiquel with the two prominent ones, but then 277 00:21:22.900 --> 00:21:29.099 the all, the whole list. A couple of them made me slightly suicidal, 278 00:21:29.180 --> 00:21:30.740 so I had to stop those. And when I change drugs it was 279 00:21:30.819 --> 00:21:36.930 typically because I would run to that point in my life where things get out 280 00:21:36.930 --> 00:21:38.569 of hand, you lose your job and then you lose your insurance. So 281 00:21:38.769 --> 00:21:45.009 basically you just have to get whatever you get. Right of the fifteen years, 282 00:21:45.170 --> 00:21:48.200 you eventually start to coming back to the same ones. I never hit 283 00:21:48.279 --> 00:21:55.559 the VRAI lar mark because in January of last year, two thousand and seventeen, 284 00:21:56.960 --> 00:22:03.549 I'd moved to Louisiana with my last set of pills from Los Angeles and 285 00:22:03.390 --> 00:22:07.349 I've said, well, when I take these, they're gone. When I 286 00:22:07.430 --> 00:22:11.109 take these, they're gone. I'm in Louisiana, there's no pot out here, 287 00:22:11.630 --> 00:22:14.150 there's no I mean, I don't do street drugs. So that was 288 00:22:14.150 --> 00:22:17.819 an issue. But you know, I really like the pot and I was 289 00:22:18.220 --> 00:22:22.259 feeling like I just needed to change. Right. Got To Louisiana, no 290 00:22:22.420 --> 00:22:26.140 pot, got off all the psych meds and just kind of cleared out for 291 00:22:26.180 --> 00:22:30.970 a while and honestly I felt fine. Not to say, and I guess 292 00:22:30.970 --> 00:22:34.569 we have to preface this where this is not advised to you, obviously listeners, 293 00:22:36.130 --> 00:22:40.809 take your meds, follow your doctor's advice and do it's right for you 294 00:22:41.250 --> 00:22:45.200 anyway. So I'm in Louisiana. It's about three or four months in. 295 00:22:45.319 --> 00:22:48.279 I get really bored. I maybe mannic you know, I'm just like agitated. 296 00:22:48.559 --> 00:22:49.880 I got to get out of this down. There's like forty people in 297 00:22:51.000 --> 00:22:55.880 this town. I was literally like in the middle of nowhere and maybe use 298 00:22:55.960 --> 00:23:00.069 that hypomatic energy to move myself back to California, which is all fine. 299 00:23:00.829 --> 00:23:03.509 But when I got back to California, you start getting in that rat race 300 00:23:03.549 --> 00:23:06.390 again, right, you got to go to work, you got to get 301 00:23:06.430 --> 00:23:08.230 off the train in the morning. got it a little like fuck, this 302 00:23:08.349 --> 00:23:15.019 is too much. But fortunately in California we've also got medical marijuana, so 303 00:23:15.180 --> 00:23:18.339 I tried that again. So the way I use medical marijuana is the way 304 00:23:18.660 --> 00:23:25.579 maybe an asthmatic might use a rescue and hailer. So where I don't I'm 305 00:23:25.660 --> 00:23:30.769 not madic enough to where I need constant Sarah Quell to tamper my feelings. 306 00:23:30.410 --> 00:23:36.170 But I do get occasional binges where I'm like feeling Lancy, like let's go 307 00:23:36.289 --> 00:23:40.650 do some you just that that gurgling feeling that boils up from the inside that 308 00:23:41.009 --> 00:23:45.079 here it comes. I'll reach for the rescue and Hailer, I'll reach for 309 00:23:45.200 --> 00:23:48.119 my bomb, take a couple hits, jells me out. Everything's good. 310 00:23:49.039 --> 00:23:52.079 So I've been doing that for like a year and it works for me. 311 00:23:52.359 --> 00:23:57.869 I haven't needed to take any other drugs. I take like a multivitamin and 312 00:23:59.150 --> 00:24:03.869 some weed and things have been going fairly well. I don't want to sound 313 00:24:03.869 --> 00:24:06.950 like a pot salesman by any means. I know a lot of people live 314 00:24:06.990 --> 00:24:11.299 in places where you could be executed just for having some pot. We've got 315 00:24:11.460 --> 00:24:15.740 like listeners in Saudi Arabia even, and I know most of America it's illegal. 316 00:24:17.339 --> 00:24:18.740 So I don't want to recommend something and say hey, you gotta try 317 00:24:18.779 --> 00:24:22.259 this Shit right here. It's perfect to people who just don't have access to 318 00:24:22.380 --> 00:24:27.490 it, but as far as alternative treatments go, that's been working for me. 319 00:24:29.809 --> 00:24:32.490 Have you guys ever tried that at all? I have tried. Oh 320 00:24:32.529 --> 00:24:40.559 Yeah, I will say that the mellowing out aspect of marijuana definitely comes the 321 00:24:40.680 --> 00:24:45.759 sensations of Oh, I need to do something and you know, maybe it's 322 00:24:45.880 --> 00:24:48.160 you gets to the point where I don't know what I want to do because 323 00:24:48.200 --> 00:24:51.880 I have too many things going through my mind right take a bit bit of 324 00:24:51.920 --> 00:24:53.869 a hit and it knows you out to the point where you can at least 325 00:24:53.910 --> 00:24:59.670 the grasp those ideas and you can literally just pause and pull them in and 326 00:25:00.470 --> 00:25:03.750 be able to take them in unlike before you had the racing thoughts. That 327 00:25:06.549 --> 00:25:08.660 was what I used it for. Every time I had the racing thoughts, 328 00:25:08.900 --> 00:25:11.819 I would take a hit and it would be all gone. I would I 329 00:25:11.859 --> 00:25:18.859 would be fine, I'd be happy. Unfortunately, in Pennsylvania we do have 330 00:25:18.019 --> 00:25:22.849 medical marijuana. Just got read, just gotten stated, but bipolar is not 331 00:25:23.089 --> 00:25:30.250 one of the one of the diagnosis that you can have. This mean you 332 00:25:30.329 --> 00:25:36.039 can have is for PTSD, which I believe I do have. It just 333 00:25:36.160 --> 00:25:41.799 a matter of getting diagnosed for it. But bipolar isn't a treatable thing under 334 00:25:41.880 --> 00:25:48.000 that. It's mostly under the serious disorders, well, and a lot of 335 00:25:48.039 --> 00:25:51.509 pain disorders. To like people yet that have a lot of pain. And 336 00:25:51.630 --> 00:25:56.990 what's really interesting, before becky chimes in, is because you might have something 337 00:25:56.029 --> 00:26:00.789 to say on this as well. There are enough studies out there that show 338 00:26:00.950 --> 00:26:07.259 that heavy marijuana use as a teenager can actually trigger the same types of symptoms 339 00:26:07.900 --> 00:26:11.339 in an adult that a bipolar person experiences. What I'm saying is that all 340 00:26:11.460 --> 00:26:17.220 that pot I smoked as a teenager could have caused by bipolar or what appears 341 00:26:17.259 --> 00:26:21.049 to be bipolar now, which sounds controversial, but you know, there's enough 342 00:26:21.089 --> 00:26:23.049 studies out there that kind of say, HMM, maybe you fucked up, 343 00:26:23.049 --> 00:26:27.250 maybe you shouldn't smoke so much pot as a teenager and maybe I now kind 344 00:26:27.250 --> 00:26:30.890 of require it to balance me out. I'm not sure the theory. Like 345 00:26:30.930 --> 00:26:33.720 I said, I'm not a scientist or a doctor in this aspect at all, 346 00:26:33.839 --> 00:26:37.200 but yeah, there's some, definitely some downsides. If you're young person, 347 00:26:37.720 --> 00:26:41.640 just stay off the drugs. Good, good. Yeah, I mean 348 00:26:41.720 --> 00:26:45.920 for teenagers, when your brain is still developing and everything like that, which 349 00:26:45.960 --> 00:26:48.509 I guess it doesn't tell you're what, early twenty s for a guy? 350 00:26:48.589 --> 00:26:55.269 Yeah, something like that. It's probably you know, yeah, let that 351 00:26:55.349 --> 00:26:57.670 Du it's not to yeah, better to just let your brain grow for a 352 00:26:57.789 --> 00:27:02.500 while. Yeah, it's all those well, those little minecraft blocks are assembling 353 00:27:02.539 --> 00:27:04.099 themselves, don't you know. Don't throw a bunch of junk in there. 354 00:27:04.420 --> 00:27:11.299 Yeah, and I one or two about if some of my previous drug habits 355 00:27:11.460 --> 00:27:15.930 influenced my development of Bipoloy dis order. But then I think about everything that 356 00:27:17.009 --> 00:27:22.410 happened before I was introduced to marijuana and alyst and all of that and right, 357 00:27:22.809 --> 00:27:26.490 yeah, that's a little still sare. Yeah, it was still there. 358 00:27:26.650 --> 00:27:32.440 So I don't think that really, for me, contributed to it anyway. 359 00:27:32.480 --> 00:27:37.559 Yeah, and I've had doctors that full know full well that I smoke 360 00:27:38.000 --> 00:27:41.359 we and they just treat around it, I guess. I don't know what 361 00:27:41.480 --> 00:27:45.109 their medical term is for it, but they don't send me off to a 362 00:27:45.150 --> 00:27:49.349 drug Rehab Clinic. They don't send me to a dual diagnosis meeting for drug 363 00:27:49.390 --> 00:27:52.269 addicts and crazy people. They're just like, oh, you smoke weed, 364 00:27:52.349 --> 00:27:56.390 okay, well, here, take these pills and did it a drink plenty 365 00:27:56.390 --> 00:27:59.259 of water, or you know whatever they say. So the doctors, at 366 00:27:59.299 --> 00:28:03.019 least in California, they don't really care. I know if you're a military 367 00:28:03.059 --> 00:28:07.099 vet you have to get off the weed. They will not treat your mental 368 00:28:07.140 --> 00:28:11.420 conditions if you are on the weed. So there's that as well. Hmm, 369 00:28:12.650 --> 00:28:18.529 I know I didn't have any PSD and PA. They do able you 370 00:28:18.170 --> 00:28:22.210 if you smoke marijuana and you go into the hospital and you tell them that 371 00:28:22.690 --> 00:28:27.599 they do put you in there, that you're abusing drugs, because, yeah, 372 00:28:27.640 --> 00:28:30.640 yeah, my, I mean there are not too many boxes to check 373 00:28:30.720 --> 00:28:33.319 on their form. So that's the box that gets checked. Your abusing and 374 00:28:33.359 --> 00:28:36.799 then you also have to do P test. They want to check your blood 375 00:28:36.799 --> 00:28:41.069 to make us clear if you're going to get any other meds. It's tough, 376 00:28:41.269 --> 00:28:45.869 tough work being mentally ill. Right. So what do you think the 377 00:28:45.950 --> 00:28:49.789 Ketamine does? I'm really interested that. I'd like the psycho not. I 378 00:28:49.950 --> 00:28:53.910 want to experiment with all the things and I can't find them. I want 379 00:28:53.910 --> 00:28:59.660 to experiment with Ketamine. I want to experiment with DMT. Well, kind 380 00:28:59.660 --> 00:29:03.660 of mean told something that you can still get, isn't it? I don't 381 00:29:03.700 --> 00:29:07.579 know, maybe in Mexico and he's a horse tranquilizer. You can you can 382 00:29:07.660 --> 00:29:12.210 still get Ken of EV. No, I'm pretty sure you mean. Yeah, 383 00:29:14.769 --> 00:29:17.250 I don't know if you can buy it online, but I mean horse 384 00:29:17.289 --> 00:29:26.880 Drinklis know I had heard somewhere and I've actually on Youtube. There is there's 385 00:29:26.880 --> 00:29:37.480 a channel where he goes and takes the psycho reactive chemicals and tries them out. 386 00:29:37.559 --> 00:29:42.390 He he did a whole episode on Ketamine and from my understanding is ketamine 387 00:29:42.470 --> 00:29:48.589 is on its way to being banned in America, America, but it has 388 00:29:48.789 --> 00:29:53.700 not happened yet, and so that means it's still I'm guessing it works then 389 00:29:53.779 --> 00:29:57.819 jotten. In some countries, though, I know that they do use it 390 00:29:57.900 --> 00:30:03.700 as a treatment. Uh Huh. Yeah, and there are studies, like 391 00:30:03.859 --> 00:30:08.329 Becky had said, you know that they're they're doing within America. As far 392 00:30:08.410 --> 00:30:12.769 as I know, there's there's a few going on. From what I heard 393 00:30:14.170 --> 00:30:18.490 is it attaches itself, similar to like what marijuana does, attaches to the 394 00:30:18.569 --> 00:30:26.240 receptors and then blocks any of that negative chemical imbalance, if you will, 395 00:30:27.200 --> 00:30:30.839 like the sit just prevents the synapses from over firing like that. Right. 396 00:30:32.920 --> 00:30:37.950 They have either of you guys ever taken Kinneman or special k? I have 397 00:30:37.069 --> 00:30:41.309 not known it's well, I started I got married in the nine s and 398 00:30:41.589 --> 00:30:45.630 started having kids, so I got kind of square, kind of straight edge 399 00:30:45.670 --> 00:30:52.700 almost. So I don't understand ecstasy. I've never taken ecstasy, molly, 400 00:30:52.259 --> 00:30:56.579 m DMT. I don't understand Kanye West. There's a there's like a whole 401 00:30:56.619 --> 00:31:00.900 chunk of like culture I just don't understand or get, which I would love 402 00:31:00.940 --> 00:31:04.450 to get into, except Kanye, but I'd like to know about DMT and 403 00:31:04.529 --> 00:31:10.210 ecstasy and all those things. Well, I don't know. For me, 404 00:31:10.329 --> 00:31:15.130 I I probably was taking away more than a therapeutic dose, I imagine, 405 00:31:15.009 --> 00:31:22.960 but I can I'd see how it kind of wipes your sense of self away 406 00:31:22.960 --> 00:31:30.359 almost. So I think on a smaller, less intense level, I can 407 00:31:30.400 --> 00:31:37.430 see how that could probably help if your chronically depressed or if you're in a 408 00:31:37.509 --> 00:31:41.549 severe depression. Right like an etch a sketch, yeah it, just shake 409 00:31:41.630 --> 00:31:45.990 it, just shake your head, just sketch all around and all those like 410 00:31:45.150 --> 00:31:48.619 grooves that you carved in your brain and those nasty, ugly pictures you drew 411 00:31:48.980 --> 00:31:53.859 are now just a clean slate. That would be nice. Yeah, it 412 00:31:53.980 --> 00:31:57.500 to. Okay, maternal the sunshine stuff right there to okay, check this 413 00:31:57.619 --> 00:32:02.049 out. So tell me if I'm talking too much to I feel like I'm 414 00:32:02.089 --> 00:32:07.410 dominating. I don't like that. Feeling speaks to my borderline personality disorder. 415 00:32:07.410 --> 00:32:12.490 I feel like I'm standing up on stage just hogging the MIC. But here's 416 00:32:12.490 --> 00:32:17.880 another story. Okay, so on Father's Day weekend one of my kids came 417 00:32:17.960 --> 00:32:22.400 over and we had planned to go up to the mountains where my dad lives, 418 00:32:23.319 --> 00:32:28.039 and we're like cool. So he's stopped by city, got some stuff 419 00:32:28.079 --> 00:32:31.190 and all good to go and mind by kids like an adult. He's eighteen, 420 00:32:32.230 --> 00:32:37.950 and his brother and I went up to my dad's house in Tahoe and 421 00:32:37.069 --> 00:32:42.789 then we get up there and so my youngest kid brought some acid with him. 422 00:32:43.950 --> 00:32:46.579 Like, Oh, dude, what, that's how you're having so many 423 00:32:46.579 --> 00:32:52.460 epiphanies. He told he told me the story like of how he got it. 424 00:32:52.579 --> 00:32:53.900 He just went up to the not him, but like him and his 425 00:32:53.940 --> 00:32:58.339 buddy or whatever, just went up to hate Ashbury and we're looking around like 426 00:32:58.690 --> 00:33:00.329 to you know, twenty year olds looking for acid, I guess, and 427 00:33:00.650 --> 00:33:05.809 apparently acid dealers just jump out of the woodwork, give you the eye and 428 00:33:06.089 --> 00:33:09.450 you give him Tenner, twenty bucks, and go with some flst. So 429 00:33:09.730 --> 00:33:15.400 the kid brings home like three hits acid. Sun Number two is not having 430 00:33:15.480 --> 00:33:19.240 it this weekend. He's not into it. He's generally open to the stuff 431 00:33:19.240 --> 00:33:21.519 like that, but not just not this week, and he figured he's going 432 00:33:21.519 --> 00:33:27.869 to be the responsible adult. The young one Saturday morning takes a hit and 433 00:33:27.950 --> 00:33:30.269 half, leaving me a hit and a half, and I'm like what, 434 00:33:30.910 --> 00:33:32.230 I'm an adult, I'm a fucking grown up. I mean, are you 435 00:33:32.269 --> 00:33:37.109 kidding me? I haven't done acid like thirty five years at least. Something's 436 00:33:37.109 --> 00:33:40.269 just ridiculous right. But I'm also thinking, well, fuck, I don't 437 00:33:40.269 --> 00:33:45.579 know what my kid just took, I'm gonna have to jump in after him. 438 00:33:45.740 --> 00:33:47.380 Oh Yeah, you know what I mean. I don't want him tripping 439 00:33:47.420 --> 00:33:53.019 alone like well, fortunately, my dad had got us a condo about a 440 00:33:53.099 --> 00:33:58.130 hundred yards away from his place, so we had our own space to chill 441 00:33:58.170 --> 00:34:02.329 and everything anyway belong and short of it. That shit was amazing, Holy 442 00:34:02.410 --> 00:34:08.050 Shit and scary as fuck. My my whole reality, time and space, 443 00:34:08.289 --> 00:34:14.440 were folding in and collapsing on itself, and I don't even know how that's 444 00:34:14.559 --> 00:34:20.199 those aren't even the right words to put to that scenario. Reality was pixelating 445 00:34:20.280 --> 00:34:22.840 with things on screens and at some point I just had to lay down and 446 00:34:23.000 --> 00:34:28.550 close my eyes and trip. Now, I kept trying to dig into the 447 00:34:28.630 --> 00:34:31.110 kind of the center of the onion. I was like digging deeper and deeper 448 00:34:31.190 --> 00:34:34.190 than my brain. I felt like I was trying to find something. I'm 449 00:34:34.230 --> 00:34:36.909 like, what is? I'm trying to find what. And then as I 450 00:34:36.989 --> 00:34:38.860 got near the center of the onion, so to speak. I don't know 451 00:34:38.980 --> 00:34:43.619 how to explain what I was digging through in my psychedelic mind trip, but 452 00:34:43.739 --> 00:34:49.059 us in nearer the core, this this kind of mantra, kept bubbling up, 453 00:34:49.139 --> 00:34:52.289 saying you already have everything you need, you already have everything you need, 454 00:34:53.050 --> 00:34:58.489 and I'm like what? So I'd really after I finished trip in the 455 00:34:58.530 --> 00:35:02.210 full next day, I just looked around and realized how much I really do 456 00:35:02.530 --> 00:35:07.090 have everything I need, even if I don't keep it all in my apartment 457 00:35:07.130 --> 00:35:10.719 or in my pocket right now. Everything I need is in my existence right 458 00:35:10.719 --> 00:35:14.400 if I need money, there's some over there. Just I'll go work for 459 00:35:14.480 --> 00:35:16.880 some money. If I need a partner, there there's humans on the earth 460 00:35:16.960 --> 00:35:22.230 to become partners with. So my whole worldview change so dramatically. I was 461 00:35:22.389 --> 00:35:25.429 thinking, Wow, this is amazing. If I had planned this better, 462 00:35:25.510 --> 00:35:30.750 if I had some like us meditation or spoken Word Therapy, I really believe 463 00:35:30.789 --> 00:35:35.710 you could program some shit out of your mind, just bad things completely out 464 00:35:35.739 --> 00:35:39.579 of your mind, using those kind of hallucinogenic drugs. It was it was 465 00:35:39.659 --> 00:35:49.260 incredible. That's yeah, I really think you that mean. I listen to 466 00:35:49.699 --> 00:35:54.449 another podcast recently that had some of the hosts be on DMT and that was 467 00:35:54.489 --> 00:35:58.809 kind of what they were saying. In a way, it's almost like a 468 00:35:59.530 --> 00:36:01.409 like a rebirth process, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, 469 00:36:02.610 --> 00:36:07.239 it was weird too, because I was fully conscious. HMM, ninety nine 470 00:36:07.239 --> 00:36:08.760 percent, I mean like one person of the time I can snap out of 471 00:36:08.800 --> 00:36:12.960 it. If somebody asked me a question, I could come to an answer 472 00:36:13.039 --> 00:36:15.400 the question lucidly. I couldn't really go hang out with people or anything, 473 00:36:15.440 --> 00:36:19.429 and I always just wanted to be with the music or the dark or whatever 474 00:36:19.510 --> 00:36:22.670 the lights. But yeah, just the idea that it wiped so clear. 475 00:36:22.750 --> 00:36:27.750 I didn't lose track of the bad thoughts of my past. You know, 476 00:36:28.070 --> 00:36:30.190 I didn't like it, didn't erase my memory or anything like that. It 477 00:36:30.389 --> 00:36:36.059 just helped me to reframe life in general, like things aren't going to get 478 00:36:36.420 --> 00:36:39.579 better than we have them now. Gent I mean in the grand scheme of 479 00:36:39.659 --> 00:36:43.340 things, like, unless you're one of those persons that likes to have all 480 00:36:43.380 --> 00:36:45.860 your shit in your house, like, Oh, I need more stuff, 481 00:36:45.860 --> 00:36:49.170 I need more stuff. Well, you have the entire world, like you 482 00:36:49.289 --> 00:36:51.809 know, I want an animal, I want to I want a cat, 483 00:36:52.610 --> 00:36:54.889 and we get a cat because they exist in the world. I don't know, 484 00:36:55.130 --> 00:36:59.050 it sounds weird, like all those things that are profound and you really 485 00:36:59.050 --> 00:37:02.039 experience when you're on LSD are often hard to put to words after you are 486 00:37:02.119 --> 00:37:08.000 not on LSD. But what I was thinking very specifically about that once I 487 00:37:08.039 --> 00:37:10.159 had taken it, I'm like, well, what can I fix with my 488 00:37:10.320 --> 00:37:14.639 brain? I haven't taken LSD in a long time. What can I do? 489 00:37:15.159 --> 00:37:17.309 This is the first time I've taken LSD since somebody labeled me, since 490 00:37:17.349 --> 00:37:22.750 someone told me you have bipolar disorder, and in many ways I started just 491 00:37:22.829 --> 00:37:24.309 peeling that back. I'm like, well, you say what you want, 492 00:37:24.309 --> 00:37:28.190 and you say what you want, and you know, I'll wear whatever label 493 00:37:28.190 --> 00:37:30.820 I want and I'm going to act how I want, because if you know 494 00:37:30.940 --> 00:37:34.139 that you're a kind person and you're just doing the best you can in life, 495 00:37:34.139 --> 00:37:39.860 it doesn't really matter what people label you're write right. Absolutely, yeah, 496 00:37:39.860 --> 00:37:45.730 I who you are. Hopefully, yeah, yeah, exactly. To 497 00:37:45.849 --> 00:37:49.610 simple again, another one of those weird things I can't recommend. I do 498 00:37:49.690 --> 00:37:52.969 a lot of things for my own self that I just can't recommend other people 499 00:37:52.969 --> 00:37:57.130 do, but it's fascinating. I guess that's why we talked and have podcast 500 00:37:57.250 --> 00:38:00.840 to share those experiences. But Anyway, it was fully scary, like I 501 00:38:00.960 --> 00:38:04.599 just didn't know many times where I was. That that feeling literally of time 502 00:38:04.679 --> 00:38:07.880 and space collapsing like a wrinkle in time. You ever read that book before 503 00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:10.960 the movie came out? Oh yeah, yeah, it's like remember when you 504 00:38:12.039 --> 00:38:15.829 read the read the book and it had that and like you imagined, like 505 00:38:15.989 --> 00:38:19.070 where the dad was and where this voices in those shapes were coming from. 506 00:38:20.030 --> 00:38:24.269 That's what this LSD trip was like. You just everything was so imaginative and 507 00:38:24.550 --> 00:38:29.380 complete and very profound. Like. I mean, I still carry that piece 508 00:38:29.420 --> 00:38:32.260 of torn up, like tablet paper that the acid was in there. So 509 00:38:32.380 --> 00:38:37.739 anytime I start to get frustrated, I literally look up this, look at 510 00:38:37.780 --> 00:38:39.820 this little tiny torn up piece of paper and Think, Oh, I already 511 00:38:39.820 --> 00:38:45.489 have everything I need and then I'll start fresh from there. So, yeah, 512 00:38:45.610 --> 00:38:51.969 I've been able to overcome other problems in the past week just by what 513 00:38:52.130 --> 00:38:53.929 the fuck? How do you do this? What's the thing? OPRA always 514 00:38:53.969 --> 00:39:00.199 talks about envisioning. You know the term. It's like secret yeah, it's 515 00:39:00.239 --> 00:39:05.960 like picturing something, manifesting all that kind of stuff. So things like that 516 00:39:06.079 --> 00:39:08.239 have been working out. That's it kind of a dangerous topic to go into 517 00:39:08.320 --> 00:39:13.630 because in a way the whole idea of manifesting stuff can get flipped on you 518 00:39:13.710 --> 00:39:16.309 and people will say no, then you're blaming the victim for their circumstances, 519 00:39:16.550 --> 00:39:21.389 which, yeah, I guess is is a way to look at manifesting to 520 00:39:22.070 --> 00:39:23.739 but in this case we'll just take it for the positive side of things. 521 00:39:24.099 --> 00:39:28.820 So, yeah, and it all changed because of an acid trip. That's 522 00:39:28.860 --> 00:39:31.739 awesome. I mean I think the acid can be a really it can be 523 00:39:31.820 --> 00:39:36.219 a really useful tool if you like have some shit to work here or something 524 00:39:36.260 --> 00:39:39.849 like that. But yeah, I'm freaking scared as hell to try that again, 525 00:39:39.929 --> 00:39:43.849 man, like I'm just for dead certain that I'm going to have like 526 00:39:43.969 --> 00:39:45.650 the worst ship in the world and end up jumping off of something. Let's 527 00:39:45.690 --> 00:39:50.050 see, that's that's where I've been told that. You think quite that you 528 00:39:50.170 --> 00:39:53.400 will. Yeah, yeah, I know exactly. So I can do that, 529 00:39:53.760 --> 00:40:00.000 although have either of you ever heard of diviner's stage? Sobviat of an 530 00:40:00.039 --> 00:40:06.679 Orum Salvia? Yes, yeah, that that's wicked. That's I'll never do 531 00:40:06.800 --> 00:40:09.110 it again. I think that's that's the only thing that I've done outside of 532 00:40:09.230 --> 00:40:13.550 pot like. I've never done any hard drugs. I've never done anything like 533 00:40:13.550 --> 00:40:16.230 that and I never felt the need to do that. But one of my 534 00:40:16.429 --> 00:40:22.059 friends had bought some Salvia. We couldn't get the regular stuff, so we 535 00:40:22.219 --> 00:40:25.900 wanted to see what the difference was. And Man did I have a trip 536 00:40:27.139 --> 00:40:31.059 and a half. I mean the whole roof of the house turned into like 537 00:40:31.260 --> 00:40:39.449 a a triangle of a attic and then there was a dresser in the drawers 538 00:40:39.530 --> 00:40:46.570 would pull out and melt and everything smelled of like just burning tire. It 539 00:40:46.769 --> 00:40:53.320 was just horrible turning tire. Yeah, that now, that's you'll never forget 540 00:40:53.360 --> 00:40:58.199 that smell now. Neither. No, it's pretty much what it tasted like 541 00:40:58.320 --> 00:41:00.039 to when it when it came in. You know, you know how you 542 00:41:00.119 --> 00:41:04.630 had to take it in, you had to hold it for so long, 543 00:41:05.030 --> 00:41:08.469 and it's just like the smell and taste of it is what burned into my 544 00:41:08.630 --> 00:41:15.670 brain during the trip and it was just and apparently it was hilarious, because 545 00:41:15.190 --> 00:41:19.780 when you do things like that you have to be sick to be safe. 546 00:41:19.860 --> 00:41:22.579 You have to have a spotter, you have to have somebody that's not going 547 00:41:22.619 --> 00:41:25.300 to partake, just in case something happens, then need to call nine, 548 00:41:25.340 --> 00:41:30.539 one one or whatever. And apparently it was the hilarious thing ever. I 549 00:41:30.820 --> 00:41:35.170 mean he was laughing his head off when I was done and I was sweat 550 00:41:35.210 --> 00:41:38.610 and balls. Yeah, it's that's nuts. Good thing for spotters, right. 551 00:41:38.610 --> 00:41:46.960 MMM. So is our very, very safe? Yeah, right them. 552 00:41:47.559 --> 00:41:52.800 Well, before we go too long, we should talk about nutrition, 553 00:41:53.559 --> 00:41:59.079 healthful eating and exercise, because if people see the headline of this podcast down 554 00:41:59.360 --> 00:42:04.750 alternative methods for treating bipolar disorder, we would suck if we didn't mention those 555 00:42:04.789 --> 00:42:07.590 things. Oh, definitely, but back you go ahead and tell us about 556 00:42:07.590 --> 00:42:13.789 this. Well, I was reading an article recently about probiotics and how that 557 00:42:13.909 --> 00:42:19.019 there is some sort of gut brain connection. Big that. Yeah, if 558 00:42:19.059 --> 00:42:22.940 you have something wrong with your gut floora then really affects your mental status. 559 00:42:23.019 --> 00:42:29.739 So we can I eat it has probiotics, a probiotic? Yeah, already 560 00:42:29.820 --> 00:42:31.929 probiotics, or or yogurt, yogs like. That's what I was going for. 561 00:42:32.050 --> 00:42:36.809 I think yogurt has probiotics in it. Yeah, I know that's a 562 00:42:36.889 --> 00:42:39.809 trip. So you ever take a look at guts in a like a medical 563 00:42:39.849 --> 00:42:45.400 book? They look just like our brain. They're all squiggly like that and 564 00:42:45.559 --> 00:42:52.639 in fact our guts have more neurotransmitters in them then our brains do and they're 565 00:42:52.679 --> 00:42:58.119 the same type of neurotransmitters. So the Gut and the brain are definitely interconnected. 566 00:42:58.440 --> 00:43:00.750 If your brains not right, you'll have upset stomach, if your guts 567 00:43:00.829 --> 00:43:07.389 not right, it'll affect your brain. So it's kind of a circular cohabitation 568 00:43:07.550 --> 00:43:14.699 they share. HMM. So my biggest diet faux paw is sugar by far. 569 00:43:15.139 --> 00:43:17.380 I think shouldars poisonous. I think it'll kill us all faster than we 570 00:43:17.460 --> 00:43:22.579 should and I definitely think it fucks with people's brains in a really bad way. 571 00:43:23.300 --> 00:43:28.570 But it's addictive. I can't stop it. I haven't I haven't tried 572 00:43:28.610 --> 00:43:30.929 very hard. I don't have a life partner to help me manage it. 573 00:43:30.010 --> 00:43:35.050 It's the one thing that I think if I could manage my sugar better, 574 00:43:35.650 --> 00:43:38.730 it all be great. I thought I was dying of kidney failure with the 575 00:43:38.929 --> 00:43:44.360 doctor. Nothing's wrong with me, the fine it just needed a new mattress. 576 00:43:45.599 --> 00:43:47.639 But those little things, when you start feeling that and you know how 577 00:43:47.679 --> 00:43:52.400 much sugar you eat, it's like a wakeup call, especially the older you 578 00:43:52.440 --> 00:43:54.989 get. Our organs don't last forever, right, right? What? And 579 00:43:55.150 --> 00:44:00.030 Sugar? Also, speaking of organs, that's the other problem I have with 580 00:44:00.110 --> 00:44:06.269 pharmaceuticals, is because they junk up your filter organs, all of them. 581 00:44:06.349 --> 00:44:10.539 Your pancreas, your kidneys, your livers, at least pot doesn't do that. 582 00:44:10.860 --> 00:44:14.019 Clogs up your lungs. I guess you just got to pick. What's 583 00:44:14.019 --> 00:44:16.300 your organ you want to fuck up? Yeah, but pretty well, help 584 00:44:16.380 --> 00:44:22.179 the brain feel better. Yeah, do you guys have any diet or nutrition 585 00:44:22.300 --> 00:44:24.929 tips that have helped? Well, I mean the Big One, I think 586 00:44:24.929 --> 00:44:28.969 you're right, is the sugar, because that, I mean I notice that 587 00:44:29.090 --> 00:44:35.929 almost immediately if I stopped eating sugar and I can notice a improve mental clarity 588 00:44:36.010 --> 00:44:39.639 almost immediately, like within twenty four hours. Wow, I think I'm too 589 00:44:39.719 --> 00:44:43.280 hooked on it, because if I after twenty four hours of no sugar, 590 00:44:43.320 --> 00:44:46.159 I get a headache, I get fucking angry, irritable. Yeah, I 591 00:44:46.239 --> 00:44:51.000 think I'm addicted to it. That and or caffeine. And Caffeine's the other 592 00:44:51.079 --> 00:44:53.429 thing, right. Caffeine's just equally bad as sugar, especially for Manic folks. 593 00:44:53.469 --> 00:44:57.750 I would imagine caffeine is so wonderful, oh it's so great, I 594 00:44:57.869 --> 00:45:00.750 drink it all sot him CAS. See. That's the problem, though, 595 00:45:00.989 --> 00:45:08.460 is that I hope myself on caffeine and then probably don't realize that I have 596 00:45:08.619 --> 00:45:15.219 a lot of symptoms from it. But that's where drinking water, plenty of 597 00:45:15.340 --> 00:45:19.940 water, will come in handy, because just like sugar, a lot of 598 00:45:20.019 --> 00:45:22.849 sugar products or a lot of sodas or things like that will dehydrate you. 599 00:45:23.650 --> 00:45:30.929 So you'll be amazed that how much better you'll feel when you rehydrate. HMM, 600 00:45:31.329 --> 00:45:35.409 that's true. Yep, it's the other thing I don't do either. 601 00:45:35.920 --> 00:45:39.400 Don't drink your water. I do not enough, you know. But again, 602 00:45:39.440 --> 00:45:42.639 it's a simple fix. I don't. Why don't? Why don't I 603 00:45:42.719 --> 00:45:45.840 fix the simple things? Eat less sugar, drink more water. I'm fact, 604 00:45:45.880 --> 00:45:50.309 if I were a doctor treating somebody with a bipolar disorder, I was 605 00:45:50.389 --> 00:45:53.510 straight up tell them cut out the sugar, drink more water. Yeah, 606 00:45:53.550 --> 00:45:57.429 I think that would make you feel a lot better. And again, just 607 00:45:57.630 --> 00:46:00.230 human nature, we don't do some of the simplest things that make us feel 608 00:46:00.269 --> 00:46:07.099 better. Do you guys drink alcohol? Rare, unfortunate, dog dogs all. 609 00:46:07.179 --> 00:46:10.380 Yeah, beer. I know my when you say on fortunately, what's 610 00:46:10.380 --> 00:46:13.260 that mean? Do you let? You don't drink to excess? To you, 611 00:46:13.300 --> 00:46:15.820 I don't. Never caught that from you. Well, not as much 612 00:46:15.820 --> 00:46:22.929 anymore. I now I'll drink on occasion, even though I really shouldn't because 613 00:46:22.929 --> 00:46:28.449 I'm on medicine. But I don't drink and of the last time I drink 614 00:46:29.010 --> 00:46:34.599 two or three times be drunk was maybe a year, two years ago. 615 00:46:36.559 --> 00:46:40.559 What was the situation like? A celebration? No, when I drink to 616 00:46:40.559 --> 00:46:45.000 be drunk. Nose, because I was pissed off. Oh yeah, okay, 617 00:46:45.239 --> 00:46:46.670 that's good. You don't drink too much then. Yeah, now, 618 00:46:46.949 --> 00:46:52.429 but I used to have pretty bad drinking problem before I met my husband. 619 00:46:52.469 --> 00:46:58.070 And so, did you have a bad drinking problem before you were diagnosed with 620 00:46:58.190 --> 00:47:04.579 bipolar disorder? MMM, yes, and then when you got diagnosed, did 621 00:47:04.619 --> 00:47:08.900 you understand that you were just basically trying to tame your mania? Did that 622 00:47:09.019 --> 00:47:14.699 have anything to do with you like lessening the alcohol consumption? No, Nope, 623 00:47:15.769 --> 00:47:19.849 I yeah, now, because when I first got diagnosed I didn't have 624 00:47:20.050 --> 00:47:24.369 a PSYCHIA. Yeah, a psychiatrist. I was just seeing a therapist. 625 00:47:24.769 --> 00:47:30.519 And so when? So I didn't know any of that stuff. Nobody told 626 00:47:30.559 --> 00:47:35.519 me not to drink, you know, even though it suppose I should have 627 00:47:35.519 --> 00:47:37.480 been able to figure that out for myself. But, you know, nobody 628 00:47:37.480 --> 00:47:39.760 told me of yeah, no, makes you feel better. So it's like, 629 00:47:39.880 --> 00:47:45.829 well, do that. Yeah, so I didn't stop it, but 630 00:47:45.110 --> 00:47:50.309 and so you don't. Do you consider yourself as a regular person? Yeah, 631 00:47:50.309 --> 00:47:52.110 I. Could you ever go to AA meetings or anything like that? 632 00:47:52.230 --> 00:47:55.349 Do? Have you ever considered yourself like an addict? Yeah, you didn't. 633 00:47:55.349 --> 00:47:59.500 I've got to meetings. But yeah, I did. Early before I 634 00:47:59.659 --> 00:48:02.019 got diagnosed with bipolar, I tried a bunch of different meetings. I would 635 00:48:02.019 --> 00:48:07.460 go to like narking on narcocks, anonymous like I wasn't on narcotics. I'm 636 00:48:07.539 --> 00:48:09.179 like, well, the narcotics is all drugs. Maybe it's the same thing. 637 00:48:09.179 --> 00:48:14.090 I tried Aa and I'm like all these these people actually drunk, drunks, 638 00:48:14.130 --> 00:48:16.570 these like drunks and like I can drink, but I'm like that's the 639 00:48:16.690 --> 00:48:20.489 fit either. So it took me a while, but when I got diagnosed 640 00:48:20.530 --> 00:48:24.409 with bipolar and went to a meeting of bipolar people, immediately I'm like, 641 00:48:24.489 --> 00:48:28.480 Oh, this is this is what I have. Yes, this totally makes 642 00:48:28.519 --> 00:48:31.480 sense now, and I just faded from the drinking. He just wasn't really 643 00:48:31.519 --> 00:48:36.480 a thing. I earlier. I've had to try to stop and I was 644 00:48:36.559 --> 00:48:39.159 successful and trying to stop because life was pretty well balanced and I was raising 645 00:48:39.199 --> 00:48:44.949 kids. But after I got divorced I picked it up a little bit and 646 00:48:45.590 --> 00:48:50.469 within that first year of being divorces when I both drank, got diagnosed and 647 00:48:50.550 --> 00:48:53.469 kind of stopped drinking mostly, although now I'm a big fan of like a 648 00:48:53.510 --> 00:48:58.900 good cider. We got some good cider bars in town. They're pretty potent. 649 00:48:58.980 --> 00:49:01.380 So you can't really drink more than two and that's it. You know, 650 00:49:01.699 --> 00:49:06.099 call it a night. But even that's like what three times, four 651 00:49:06.179 --> 00:49:08.820 times a year tops. What about you, Jim? You drink. I 652 00:49:08.980 --> 00:49:13.969 drink socially, but since I'm not very social anymore, I have not drank. 653 00:49:14.889 --> 00:49:16.969 So so you don't sit around home and drink, you go out. 654 00:49:16.969 --> 00:49:21.210 Already. You'll drink when you go out. Oh, rots and would drink 655 00:49:21.289 --> 00:49:25.480 at home with friends, with people. So I don't feel like I can't 656 00:49:25.519 --> 00:49:29.360 drink alone. Let's just put it that way. If I drink alone, 657 00:49:29.400 --> 00:49:34.760 it's probably because I'm really depressed. But I I have had a drink, 658 00:49:35.119 --> 00:49:39.789 a solid drink, probably in about a year and a half. Yeah, 659 00:49:40.190 --> 00:49:44.150 don't Miss It. No, not really. I mean every once in a 660 00:49:44.190 --> 00:49:46.389 while get a craving to like, oh, I want a beer, but 661 00:49:47.269 --> 00:49:52.860 it's just a craving and it goes away quicker than the thought. Yeah, 662 00:49:52.059 --> 00:49:54.619 and I think I get the same thing and then I when I kind of 663 00:49:55.019 --> 00:49:59.300 dive into that thought, it's really I just crave. Then the Stalgia of 664 00:49:59.420 --> 00:50:01.659 hanging out with my friends. Yes, that's like. I would really love 665 00:50:01.739 --> 00:50:07.329 to just be the old person version of the fourteen year olds haven out, 666 00:50:07.409 --> 00:50:09.409 you know, like having a slumber party, playing video games all night. 667 00:50:09.929 --> 00:50:14.809 I would just like that as an adult. Yep. But yeah, it 668 00:50:14.849 --> 00:50:17.250 doesn't really pertain. It doesn't have to involve drinking, although that's what most 669 00:50:17.250 --> 00:50:21.050 adults do nowadays. Have a beer. Hey, dude, come over have 670 00:50:21.170 --> 00:50:23.159 a beer. I'm not that guy. I won't go over and have a 671 00:50:23.239 --> 00:50:27.440 beer, I'll go over and smoke a joint while you're drinking your beer. 672 00:50:27.440 --> 00:50:30.960 Yeah, you know it's all right, and now we can do that. 673 00:50:30.000 --> 00:50:35.119 Maybe we should all just move to Canada. Maybe we should. Maybe, 674 00:50:35.159 --> 00:50:37.989 you see me. Won't have a choice, escape, we won't have but 675 00:50:38.150 --> 00:50:42.510 we won't be able to be a wall up there too. Yeah, right, 676 00:50:43.469 --> 00:50:46.269 well, okay, so I don't we won't get to political on this 677 00:50:46.510 --> 00:50:51.179 show, but since the three of us are Americans from different part of America, 678 00:50:51.659 --> 00:50:55.860 it might be a good chance to us say what we feel about trump's 679 00:50:55.860 --> 00:51:00.179 immigration policy. So what I see this. I'm like a whatever, because 680 00:51:00.219 --> 00:51:02.940 everyone where I live or like how the fucking idiot? That guy such a 681 00:51:02.940 --> 00:51:06.289 fucking idiot. That's never going to last. That guy's going to be out 682 00:51:06.329 --> 00:51:08.170 before we know it, all right. But then I realized, when I 683 00:51:08.210 --> 00:51:12.130 talk on a mic, that I've got downloads of people in the UK and 684 00:51:12.369 --> 00:51:15.690 Ireland and, you know, Thailand, it's Aud Araby, Australia, wherever. 685 00:51:15.170 --> 00:51:17.920 They're like, what the fuck is wrong with you people? So let's 686 00:51:17.920 --> 00:51:22.760 just say unequivocably we do not think it's appropriate to put babies in cages. 687 00:51:23.039 --> 00:51:25.599 Anybody I know would try to let a baby out of a cage if we 688 00:51:25.639 --> 00:51:30.039 saw one in a cage, and we don't really care who flies into America. 689 00:51:30.199 --> 00:51:34.429 Personally speaking, it doesn't matter to me, you know. I mean 690 00:51:34.630 --> 00:51:37.269 no, on a like not fly into America, but, you know, 691 00:51:37.469 --> 00:51:43.309 fly in on a plane and getting out the plane in a normal course of 692 00:51:43.349 --> 00:51:45.510 things. Yes, thank you for Clar Yeah, come on in, welcome. 693 00:51:45.550 --> 00:51:49.659 I mean maybe I've been a California and all my life and we've always 694 00:51:49.659 --> 00:51:53.340 had a pretty open border down in the Mexico part of the town or part 695 00:51:53.340 --> 00:51:57.619 of the state and it's just something you grow up with. It's like you 696 00:51:57.739 --> 00:52:00.570 learn to appreciate that part of culture. So it just trips me out when 697 00:52:00.570 --> 00:52:02.250 we're like yeah, well, now we're shutting them off, we're going to 698 00:52:02.289 --> 00:52:06.050 build a wall like in Germany used to have, and we're going to put 699 00:52:06.130 --> 00:52:08.449 people in cages like we did the Japanese is after World War Two, and 700 00:52:08.849 --> 00:52:14.090 we're going to all these every little thing we're doing. So if you hear 701 00:52:14.170 --> 00:52:16.480 the show from outside of America, know that. No, okay. Well, 702 00:52:16.519 --> 00:52:21.559 here's a good example. So in reality, only twenty percent of the 703 00:52:21.679 --> 00:52:25.639 people in America voted for trump. That's eighty percent did not vote for him. 704 00:52:25.880 --> 00:52:31.710 That's one out of five. That's like HMM, okay. So say 705 00:52:32.750 --> 00:52:37.150 we're going to wipe out all of the Beatles accomplishments because of Yoko? Oh 706 00:52:37.309 --> 00:52:40.670 No, see, that's not fair. That's not something you would do. 707 00:52:40.670 --> 00:52:45.860 So you folks in the UK, I think you'll understand that comparison, just 708 00:52:45.019 --> 00:52:51.539 because Yoko happened doesn't mean the Beatles weren't great. Just because trump happened doesn't 709 00:52:51.579 --> 00:52:55.219 mean the whole of America is not still great and we're working on fixing the 710 00:52:55.260 --> 00:53:01.369 problem. Agreed. Yet don't put babies and cages. That's Jeez. Agreed. 711 00:53:02.250 --> 00:53:06.889 Yeah, even the even the baby cages. Are Mad at the whole 712 00:53:06.969 --> 00:53:10.170 situation and, like Adam Mental Health, I'm at epidemic. What's going to 713 00:53:10.210 --> 00:53:13.960 happen to these four kids? So when we talk about this all the time, 714 00:53:13.960 --> 00:53:15.639 right every time, like there's a school shooting, that's effectively like a 715 00:53:15.719 --> 00:53:21.840 PTSD bomb. You like dropping a bomb and infecting all those kids with PTSD. 716 00:53:22.280 --> 00:53:24.719 They're going to go off and have jobs and careers and go to school 717 00:53:24.719 --> 00:53:30.230 and everything else and they're going to be like little time bombs of PTSD floating 718 00:53:30.269 --> 00:53:32.550 around in society. And the same thing with the kids that are being locked 719 00:53:32.550 --> 00:53:37.070 up in Texas right now. Oh, trip on this. This is getting 720 00:53:37.070 --> 00:53:40.309 far afield. So actually, I won't even go there. Let's get back 721 00:53:40.309 --> 00:53:45.900 to nutrition and bipolar disorder. Well, so we have to talk about exercise 722 00:53:45.019 --> 00:53:49.579 now, because we talked about yeah, that was the very next thing exactly. 723 00:53:49.659 --> 00:53:53.380 So, on top of drinking more water and laying off the drugs as 724 00:53:53.420 --> 00:53:58.610 a kid, don't smoke the weeds so much maybe, and drink more water, 725 00:53:58.969 --> 00:54:04.289 you guys meditate anything like that. Breathing nearly it's not just I should 726 00:54:04.690 --> 00:54:07.489 my clumsy. I try. I try the APPS and the headphone stuff. 727 00:54:07.570 --> 00:54:10.039 It's fine. It's better than not, you know. Yeah, I agree. 728 00:54:10.079 --> 00:54:15.159 My breathing. Breathing is like key. I always I hold my breath 729 00:54:15.199 --> 00:54:17.079 in so much because I get wound up. I'm I get hypomatic. I'm 730 00:54:17.119 --> 00:54:21.920 like like feeling a puppy is. I'm got all wound up. So yeah, 731 00:54:21.920 --> 00:54:24.670 I'm like, Oh, dude, breathe. Yeah, breathing in. 732 00:54:24.750 --> 00:54:30.030 That's very important. Yes, which also leads to the exercise piece. I 733 00:54:30.349 --> 00:54:35.230 am living downtown San Francisco. We're having a car is makes as much sense 734 00:54:35.269 --> 00:54:38.579 as bringing your car into downtown Disneyland. So we don't need cars here and 735 00:54:38.780 --> 00:54:43.420 there's lots of hills, so I walk a lot that most of my exercise 736 00:54:43.500 --> 00:54:45.340 is walking and I walk fast because I'm trying to get somewhere. I also 737 00:54:45.340 --> 00:54:49.739 ride my bike a lot if I want to get further kind of build up 738 00:54:49.739 --> 00:54:54.130 a sweat. So a lot of my exercise cycling, walking. I'm a 739 00:54:54.130 --> 00:54:58.849 drummer, so I play the drums. That's exercise when I, you know, 740 00:54:58.969 --> 00:55:01.489 play for length of time. And what else am I doing? I 741 00:55:01.570 --> 00:55:05.650 put a pull up bar in my doorway so I can do pull ups and 742 00:55:05.809 --> 00:55:08.320 I'm thinking of getting a ower because that's kind of my kind of speed of 743 00:55:08.400 --> 00:55:15.159 exercise. I like rowing seems neat. What do you guys do? I 744 00:55:15.400 --> 00:55:20.079 like I generally just tied to walk during the day somewhere. They moved my 745 00:55:20.159 --> 00:55:22.349 office out of downtown, so now I'm just kind of like in the middle 746 00:55:22.349 --> 00:55:24.590 of nowhere. So I just have to walk around the parking lot, which 747 00:55:24.590 --> 00:55:29.989 isn't very fun, but it's what I do. It's fresh air. Yeah, 748 00:55:30.230 --> 00:55:35.780 I'd say walking and doing pushups and whatnot. Anything that's going to, 749 00:55:36.380 --> 00:55:40.860 you know, get my heart rate, going to help out with things, 750 00:55:42.300 --> 00:55:45.179 get that blood yeah. Yeah, and I think one of the keys is 751 00:55:45.340 --> 00:55:51.409 that I'm not totally great at because I walk so much and I cycle a 752 00:55:51.489 --> 00:55:54.929 lot. Is actually breaking a sweat, because I don't often break us wet 753 00:55:54.969 --> 00:55:59.250 doing those things, because how fast you fucking got to walk to break US 754 00:55:59.289 --> 00:56:04.050 West as prefess? So maybe I should take up jogging or something where I 755 00:56:04.130 --> 00:56:06.360 where to do break more of a sweat, or join a gym where I 756 00:56:06.400 --> 00:56:09.599 can hit the pool get a little more aerobic exercise. That's what I would 757 00:56:09.599 --> 00:56:12.599 do if I were to change. I think, well, you can just 758 00:56:12.880 --> 00:56:16.960 start fast walking, like wiggle my butt, get that whole fucking he'll, 759 00:56:17.039 --> 00:56:24.469 he'll toe pivot down, start carrying your like weights. Oh Yeah, yes, 760 00:56:25.269 --> 00:56:29.750 I guess said like a sexy at s aerobic sweat band on my head 761 00:56:30.230 --> 00:56:35.300 and some old rebox with the white little British flags on them. Ankle waits. 762 00:56:35.340 --> 00:56:39.059 I mean you could hide those really easily. Uh Huh. Just kick 763 00:56:39.539 --> 00:56:45.860 and hit and kick and hit. Yeah'd be fun. This neighborhood. Something 764 00:56:45.900 --> 00:56:50.050 else. I should start the tandeloing joggy club. It's just a bunch of 765 00:56:50.050 --> 00:56:52.210 people running. What are you guys running from? Every the thing is you 766 00:56:52.250 --> 00:56:57.050 have to wear your street clothes, you have to jog in your street clothes, 767 00:56:57.570 --> 00:57:02.239 and people just think that we're running from crime. Hurry run. Well, 768 00:57:02.280 --> 00:57:07.119 how are we going to close this out? We'll see you. Have 769 00:57:07.199 --> 00:57:10.199 we hit all the major points that most of our bipolar brothers and sisters would 770 00:57:10.800 --> 00:57:14.360 would grasp? I can. You Know Me, I don't like to hit 771 00:57:14.440 --> 00:57:15.949 people over the head with too heavy stuff. But there are alternatives. So, 772 00:57:16.309 --> 00:57:21.590 aside from the common therapy and pills that the doctor gives you, you 773 00:57:22.070 --> 00:57:25.750 can try alternative medicine, experimental hallucinogens. If you're in a state words legal, 774 00:57:25.789 --> 00:57:34.059 you could try weed to Tam your mania and then die. Then Diet, 775 00:57:34.139 --> 00:57:37.739 and then we don't think. Basically, probiotics and probiotics, cut down 776 00:57:37.739 --> 00:57:45.409 the sugar, drink more water, breathe, and then exercise. Get not 777 00:57:45.570 --> 00:57:50.050 too heavy of exercise. You don't want to do too much exercise. Well, 778 00:57:50.210 --> 00:57:52.409 and this is kind of the thing right it's easy for me to say 779 00:57:52.449 --> 00:57:57.969 exciteling towards mannic and, I don't know, really empathetic towards depressed people, 780 00:57:57.969 --> 00:58:00.280 because a lot of times they'll a depressed person will listen to a podcast like 781 00:58:00.440 --> 00:58:04.280 this and think, well, you guys are fucking crazy. I can't even 782 00:58:04.280 --> 00:58:06.360 get out of bed. I can't and move my legs to the floor. 783 00:58:06.599 --> 00:58:10.320 I'm beat I'm miserable, I'm exhausted just from depression alone. Yeah, I 784 00:58:10.360 --> 00:58:13.750 don't. I can't remember. Do you guys remember, like when you were 785 00:58:13.829 --> 00:58:17.630 that way? Did, because most of the Times, I think eventually my 786 00:58:17.789 --> 00:58:21.429 curse would break and I would hop on my bicycle, I think, and 787 00:58:21.550 --> 00:58:23.349 I lived on a hill and the moment the bike started coasting down the hill, 788 00:58:23.349 --> 00:58:25.110 you kind of like, Oh, fucking wake up, let's ride, 789 00:58:25.110 --> 00:58:29.460 and then it would break free. But I can't I don't really know if 790 00:58:29.539 --> 00:58:31.619 there was a feeling that I got that said, Hey, let's get up 791 00:58:31.619 --> 00:58:35.139 and ride a bike. I think I literally had to wait for the chemical 792 00:58:35.860 --> 00:58:39.380 fucking synops change to pass. Like, do you recall being super depressed and 793 00:58:39.579 --> 00:58:45.289 what got you out of bed to do any kind of exercise? I don't 794 00:58:45.289 --> 00:58:51.010 think they'll that when I was depressed, that getting up meant that I was 795 00:58:51.090 --> 00:58:55.280 going to go exercise. Although like even laundry, like, I mean honestly, 796 00:58:55.400 --> 00:58:59.320 that to a depressed person, doing your laundry, fuck, that's not 797 00:58:59.400 --> 00:59:02.239 only exercise, that's a whole huge thing crossed off your list, right. 798 00:59:02.880 --> 00:59:07.519 But I'm just I'm trying to give some hope to people that are listening right 799 00:59:07.519 --> 00:59:10.750 now there's super, super depressed and just can't even move. Because, yeah, 800 00:59:12.590 --> 00:59:15.110 even go open up the window and poke your head outside and listen to 801 00:59:15.150 --> 00:59:17.309 the birds and look at the clouds. That to me counts as exercise. 802 00:59:17.389 --> 00:59:21.110 If you were prone on your bed for the last, you know, thirty 803 00:59:21.150 --> 00:59:23.940 six hours, simply walk into the window will make you feel better. Open 804 00:59:24.019 --> 00:59:28.900 it up, try to step outdoors. Yeah, I agree. Yeah, 805 00:59:28.900 --> 00:59:32.579 yeah, anything can be a little victory. So, yeah, it sounds 806 00:59:32.619 --> 00:59:36.139 harsh, though, because you know, some times when people were tell me 807 00:59:36.539 --> 00:59:39.690 just try to go outside, to me it sounded like I was on Mars 808 00:59:39.730 --> 00:59:44.050 and they're telling me to leave the lunar module, like if we can go 809 00:59:44.130 --> 00:59:47.690 outside and with a die out there. I'm allergic to that atmosphere, let's 810 00:59:47.690 --> 00:59:51.210 say. Yeah, I get it. So, yeah, if you're depressed, 811 00:59:51.250 --> 00:59:54.239 then you know whatever, do do your best. But exercise does help, 812 00:59:54.320 --> 00:59:58.239 just getting the blood flow and I think to the point of sweat, 813 00:59:58.320 --> 00:60:02.039 because then you're actually pushing toxins out of your body. That's awesome. Even 814 00:60:02.119 --> 00:60:07.869 just going and taking a shower probably is another one that can takes right you're 815 00:60:07.909 --> 00:60:10.510 standing up, you're holding up the weight of your entire body for fuck's sake, 816 00:60:10.550 --> 00:60:14.789 your head must weigh nine pounds. You're carrying around a nine pound bowling 817 00:60:14.869 --> 00:60:19.309 ball on your shoulders. That is exercise, so props to you for getting 818 00:60:19.309 --> 00:60:22.780 up and pulling your head off the pillow even that's great. What do you 819 00:60:22.820 --> 00:60:28.579 guys got coming up for other episode ideas well? I think we could definitely 820 00:60:28.619 --> 00:60:34.059 have another episode where we talk about psych media, since we kind of are 821 00:60:34.579 --> 00:60:38.250 changing. We're not changing how our thoughts of psych media is, but I 822 00:60:38.369 --> 00:60:44.289 think that we're changing the look of psych media. Yeah, that's a good 823 00:60:44.289 --> 00:60:51.480 thing and if anybody's listening, want was thinking about becoming a advocate or a 824 00:60:51.599 --> 00:60:55.280 mental health activist and don't know how to start, hang out with us right. 825 00:60:55.320 --> 00:60:59.400 I mean, we don't either, but we can help you get as 826 00:60:59.440 --> 00:61:02.559 far as we've gotten and then maybe you'll go beyond us and do better than 827 00:61:02.559 --> 00:61:07.309 we can. So always join us at bipolar PARTYCOM. That's how becky and 828 00:61:07.309 --> 00:61:13.030 Jim and I kind of met and started developing our ideas together, and we 829 00:61:13.150 --> 00:61:16.829 try to help and share each other's podcasts through social media. That always helps. 830 00:61:16.869 --> 00:61:20.780 It looks like kind of part of a bigger thing, when really the 831 00:61:20.860 --> 00:61:25.139 bigger thing is just the website we're putting together called psych dot media and we're 832 00:61:25.340 --> 00:61:31.179 building little profiles of all the kind of media creators, producers and whatnot that 833 00:61:31.780 --> 00:61:39.369 tell stories in the psychiatry field. Yeah, it's awesome indeed. I'M gonna 834 00:61:39.409 --> 00:61:44.929 go rants I'm so I'm gonna about to go do a Jay lily show and 835 00:61:45.849 --> 00:61:50.559 it's going to be all about how bipolar people can invent their own pride day 836 00:61:51.199 --> 00:61:57.400 event. Nice. Yes, UH, because I've drove so many similarities between 837 00:61:58.079 --> 00:62:01.750 gay people and bipolar people over the past weekend with the Pride Festival in San 838 00:62:01.789 --> 00:62:06.590 Francisco. Yeah, so I'm just thinking, man, all we all we 839 00:62:06.710 --> 00:62:09.909 do is, as bipolar people, a lot of us, is complain about 840 00:62:09.909 --> 00:62:14.829 all the stigma. You know, we're on the Internet bitching about the stigma. 841 00:62:14.949 --> 00:62:19.139 Meanwhile all we do is talk about like the negative parts of my polar 842 00:62:19.219 --> 00:62:22.659 disorder and like, well, Duh, like the gay people weren't out. 843 00:62:22.659 --> 00:62:27.780 They're saying we spread AIDS or anything like that. Right that that would not 844 00:62:27.900 --> 00:62:31.849 be the way to fucking defeat stigma. They're there. They pointed to science 845 00:62:31.929 --> 00:62:36.969 and two facts and things like that. So you can't just go with the 846 00:62:37.170 --> 00:62:40.329 public perception. So if the Public Perceives Gay People's spreading AIDS, will they 847 00:62:40.369 --> 00:62:44.760 counter it with their facts? If the public sees, you know, bipolar 848 00:62:44.800 --> 00:62:49.639 people is committee mass murder, we have to counter that with facts and we 849 00:62:49.719 --> 00:62:57.800 don't always like the any movement that destigmatizes itself never focuses on the negative aspects 850 00:62:57.880 --> 00:63:00.429 of their tribe. They always focus on the positive and I think that's one 851 00:63:00.469 --> 00:63:07.070 ask. The one thing that the mental health tribes don't quite get right is 852 00:63:07.670 --> 00:63:10.869 too many of us are spreading the negative stigma while complaining that there's negative stigma. 853 00:63:12.150 --> 00:63:14.780 Right. So we're going to go over, go over that a little 854 00:63:14.780 --> 00:63:17.059 bit or a lot of bit. All right, all right. Well, 855 00:63:17.260 --> 00:63:20.739 I won't say anything about it now so you can have it all for your 856 00:63:21.019 --> 00:63:24.940 podcast, but it's very interesting concept. Uh Huh. Yeah, have one. 857 00:63:25.219 --> 00:63:30.090 I still have one autism episode put out, so I think that's going 858 00:63:30.130 --> 00:63:34.369 to be coming out for me next nice. Did you find a spectrum person 859 00:63:34.489 --> 00:63:37.530 to talk to? Yeah, well, I've talked to heather and I actually 860 00:63:37.570 --> 00:63:42.000 have two episodes with her out already and this will be the third one. 861 00:63:42.840 --> 00:63:45.880 Nice, just because we had so much content, oh my gosh. But 862 00:63:45.599 --> 00:63:57.909 yeah, it's great style on cheese and five following joyles. Excuse me,